The bile trolls have some honestly wicked animations for what amounts gameplay wise to yet another troll reskin. Like one of their attack animations they reach down their mouth, yank out their guts and just wail on the enemy with it. Brutal.

@DavisJ-ln6fw

Ай бұрын

Let's face it they are a troll CA wasn't going to go out of the way to make another troll unique

@blindwoozie

Ай бұрын

​​@@DavisJ-ln6fwbut op literally just finished saying they have their own animations. And its a new skin, audio and different statline & abilities. Its still a Troll at the end of the day but its had more effort put in than Stone Trolls

@lich109

Ай бұрын

​@@DavisJ-ln6fwThe OP just described how CA went out of their way to make them unique.

@zsdmrtzmrde

Ай бұрын

Sorry they do what now..?

@julianswinton5355

Ай бұрын

​@@zsdmrtzmrde They beat you down with their own guts. Now this is nurgle for me

Those Knights of the Black Rose got Bjuna'd, Bile trolled and Rot Knight charged. But they could not hear any Bell from inside those skull helmets.

@turinRTS

Ай бұрын

Facts!

Man gotta hand it to Lord, after his Hochland rifles were offline I'd wager a 100 bucks to him loosing badly, impressive turning it around. Also what the flippers how did the stirlands do so good, absolutely crazy.

@mickeyboyracer

Ай бұрын

Agreed it looked over. Maybe it was the view Turin had through the replay but Empire never actually looked like they were winning until the very end. Stirlands Revenge were absolute Chads and still one of my favourites.

@IIIJG52

Ай бұрын

They are rather deceptively good with AP shooting. And with the RoR statboost they are also somewhat decent in Melee too, not just "dont die immediately".

Literally any faction that isn't the latest DLC: "Do you see how powerful they are?!" Warriors of Chaos who aren't related to the DLC at all: "For me? You shouldn't have!"

@florians9949

Ай бұрын

Not necessarily in campaign. Which will make Khorne harder to work with because they are bad in multi but in Campaing once you understand how they play he is completely busted.

@Shimatzu95

Ай бұрын

Beastman (who had 1 dlc in total): why are we suddenly getting the grace of the dark gods?

Glad to have Domination mode back

Dude won by 12 points, damn that's close.

One thing about bringing bile trolls is that they apply poison and their melee defense debuff, so they are really helping get the Nurgle army ability built up.

Lesson learned from this game! Use poorhounds instead of rot knights to take out the Hogs!!!! The damage!!!! :O

@niconilo97

Ай бұрын

Yeah hounds units are super strong on the charge, they can destroy Everything! Hounds op if cycle charge

Finaly a domination game, nothing against a good landbattle, but i like thid mode way more. Keep it up mate u are awesome!❤

Curious about the revert change of Domination mode... For those who don't know, it was already like that when the game launched, but the community asked for the points to be locked at the start of a game because fast factions had an edge over slower ones. We'll see if it stays that way, I haven't followed the competitive scene in a while so I don't know why player wanted it back. And another note, I'm not sure the pigeon bombs should have infinite charges when I see the damage it does...

The capture points opening up immediately in domination is a great change. Excited to test out the new content next week.

@Shimatzu95

Ай бұрын

Lets just hope there is no degenerate all speed build at the top of the meta now. Doesn't seem likely but you never know.

thank you, blessed turin, for lettin us witness this epic battle. top tier commentary as always.

Honestly a little on the fence about the objectives opening immediately. Maybe make it 30 seconds? Makes me wonder how slower factions like the dwarfs may be at a disadvantage to faster factions getting to the Obj’s quicker.

@ramos_pinho117

Ай бұрын

Dwarfs got some speedy units with slayer pirates dommseekers plus vanguard

Finally :). Land battles aren't bad but after watching only those for a whole week one can truly appreciate how much more exciting domination mode is.

Yeah, I also feel bad about Gelt. In multiplayer battles, he's like a guardsman standing next to a spacemarine ( Elspeth)

Flesh to Stone is such an underused spell! It's awesome on glass cannons like flagellants or wild riders.

Depending on faction, I'd say Bile Trolls and a Pestigor core would be pretty good. Reducing Melee Defence by 6 is nothing to sniff at, and lots of debuffs for the faction abilities. It's kind of disappointing to see Nurgle go from low mid to high mid, but we'll have to see how things shake out in the dom tournaments. Maybe there's some rotten strats yet to be found. I don't know what it is, but whenever I see the rot Knights in gameplay videos, they seem kinda fragile? They seem to die super fast.

@paulverhoven3549

Ай бұрын

Low armor my friend. This game is all about armor. They need 100 armor at least or lower price. Rot knights got too much damage even from non ap units

why on earth do Pestigors only have 26 MD with mark of nurgle? I do like what Nurgle's received, but definitely agree they came out in 3rd place in the dlc relatively speaking. Was also disappointed that nothing was done to beast of nurgle or rot flies, but I guess with the army ability change we might see the occasional beast in armies. Come to think of it, does the Nurgle army ability build off of spell debuffs as well?

@paulverhoven3549

Ай бұрын

Some KZreadrs says what now army ability open slowly. Thats absurd

@zaibakk9072

Ай бұрын

Yes rot flies needs definetely a buff

Nurgle has the best update out of the three, not "the strongest" but "the best"

In tabletop you only ignore regen save with fire if the target is flammable. If the target is not flammable, fire does nothing to the regen save.

I think the Skullcrushers/Bloodcrushers should have Strider like they had from tabletop (If I remember correctly) to make them perhaps a bit different from the Rot Knights here.

If (1500 - your tickets) < 0.5 * (1500 - opponent's tickets), or colloquially if your remaining tickets are less than half of your opponent's, you will win with one objective.

Is there a point to put Exalted heroes on Rot beast instead of horse since they don't get regen ? The gold difference doesn't seem worth it

@turinRTS

Ай бұрын

A bit more damage, and 500 or so more hp

@kroxigordundee7767

Ай бұрын

@@turinRTS is it worth the extra gold (for example is it like 1 more marauder or just 100 extra g )

What do you think is the reason to take the Engineer on the mehcanical horse as opposed to the normal horse?

@turinRTS

Ай бұрын

20 more armor, less speed

@ramutharu

Ай бұрын

I know you mean stats wise, but, on a non mechanical note, the little canter the mechanical horses do is one of my favourite new animations. It always makes me smile

Imo normal skullcrushers should function close to how Knights of the brazen throne do.

I just can't unsee that all the Bile Trolls have Grom's face.

More rot knights!

What a game. Definitely high level gameplay from both players. You show how pestigors are good if you use that unit right. Still think they need more speed because of too low melee defense. And just look at how much more units empire bring to the match. Looks like greenskins, you delete one unit, they bring another. In one moment i think omg why empire have so many troops and nurgle so outnumbered. Definitely shows what nurgle roster overpriced.

Objectives open instantly now hahah Timthewilder been real quiet since the patch dropped*

Wow really close game and a great showcase of the new units. Nurgle and Empire both looked quite different. Thank you. LOL pigeon bombs were terrible in 8th edition table top. If you roll badly they hit your own Empire troops.

I was recently looking at Nurgle in the Old World, they're not slow, they've still got M4 for Plaguebearers so they're just as quick as nearly every other faction other than Skaven and Beastmen, though they're definitely lacking their quicker pieces like Toads.

Looking forward to a new tournament with all the new units! I wonder when it'll happen.

Fun fact hoch is german word for high Highland rifles

Making skullcrushers be able to push through infantry would help them a lot. That would balance a bit their awful mobility.

A landship instead of the Hochlands, burning heads vs pestis and Knights of the Blazing Sun probably would have done you in way sooner

Thanks for the awesome videos Turin, I can't wait to play some games as Tammy or the revamped Empire

has there been any additions to quickplay multiplayer map pools in 5.0 ?

UNLEASH THE STINK BEASTS

I hope we get to see some forest+snipe plays with the long rifles in future.

Thanks for showcasing the new units. Are we able to buy at midnight tonight?

In a 1v1 scenario, skullcrushers beat everything thats not Bear cavalry or Mournfang cavalry and trade pretty even with Grail Knights. Of course there is more to a 1v1 in a pitch fight, but they are not bad at what they are meant to do.

@zthornzx1364

Ай бұрын

I love skullcrushers but the problem is their speed, makes it harder to get the engagements you want because most of the targets they'd trade well against can just avoid them The only other cav as slow as them are the Bull Centaur Renders, which can beat them in sustained combat

Is it a release date thing or does Nurgle only have only one RoR in this DLC? I saw three for the Empire and Dwarfs and the blog said 3 for each but not seeing anything for Nurgle except the RoR Rot Knights.

@honigpaste5981

Ай бұрын

THey have a ror Soulgrinder and Ror rot flies with death heads (i think that is what the grenades are called at least)

I 100% agree with your take on the Empire rework, and it makes me very happy as a tabletop and WHTW Empire main. I wish the Staff of Volans had been given some WoM generation ability upon activation + a spell mastery bar like the new Lady Elspeth got. I’ll just grab some mod that does that for campaign but I would have liked some touch ups to him. Everything else for Empire is gnarly though.

Yeh gelt needed a bit more milk but honestly empire fans cant complain XD

I miss the good old chill Turin campaigns. They were so cozy.

Is it just me or did Lore of Life get a graphic upgrade? 15:00

Main issue with nurgle in this update is that the army ability charges so much less effectivelly

Obj opening immediately. Tim in shambles

Rot knights feel insane to be honest. So glad to see those expensive cav units good, just like the grail or blood knights. Hope we see more "elite" cav getting some kind of buff or update. I mean rot knights cost 400 gold more than chaos knights and look at the difference..

just so you know, your videos are consistently 20-40% quieter than all the other youtube videos. not sure if anyone has mentioned. not a huge deal but i dial up everytime i tune in

they added any new maps on the quick battle domination mode ?

Finally Pestigors my herooooo ❤❤❤

Very exciting!

Id Like to See them Lean hard into all the Chaos gods Strengths and Weaknesses. try to stay away from Balancing them into being able to do anything... and make them into a Power rangers Magazord... like a puzzle, or like a team of, TANK, DPS, Ranged, and SPeed

Dom's back! Woot woot

Skullcrushers are 1700 so 100g less that the rot knights. But I still think the SC need a speed buff at least, and maybe -50g.

Is the missing regen on the rot beast mount a mistake or have they just randomly decided to take it away?

@worstprofessor895

Ай бұрын

Only Kayzk has it right now out of the lords and heroes, I believe. Probably an oversight.

@MiguelSanchezDelVillar

Ай бұрын

​@@worstprofessor895does the RoR of Rot Knights have regeneration? I dont remember right now

@valnir1944

Ай бұрын

@@MiguelSanchezDelVillar They do, it's just the single entities that are missing it right now, except Kayzk

@worstprofessor895

Ай бұрын

@@MiguelSanchezDelVillar Looks like it: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eHqItLWclprJkrw.htmlsi=spBu_1VOG9zUyIr5&t=922

@lich109

Ай бұрын

It was probably a deliberate decision, Regen on Exalted Heroes would make them a lot better and they were already great.

Just wait until the Vampires get a DLC and all gun factions are crying for Nurgle to come and out-grind the vampires for them lol

Turin can you play a live tournament please i really miss watching you play in them

@turinRTS

Ай бұрын

Very soon!

It's simple give khorne monstrous cav a bit better stats and healing when fighting in melee.

What a scrap! Very fun game. Love seeing the middle tier units be relevant and valuable

Seeing the units in Battle they seem better balanced then I feared, although the thunderbarge looks an abomination. One thought on new units, its the civilisations they represent that should be important. One problem with Lizardmen for example is there are precious few troop types, CA should add a wide variety of troops to add spice to the game.

PLEASE tell me the Chaos Nurgle lord CAN mount a TOAD DRAGON! One of my favourite things is lords with HUGE MOUNTS. Even if it’s never competitive/good, I freaking LOVE lords on the big monsters. So disappointed if not…

@sirunklydunk8861

Ай бұрын

Only Tamurkhan can take the Toad Dragon mount, Chaos Lords of Nurgle take a Rot Beast. The Undivided generic lords will probably be the only ones with big monster mounts to give people in campaign an actual reason to use them.

@turinRTS

Ай бұрын

Only tammy

Papa Turin enjoying the new smelly toys :)

Love the new DOM change.

when is teh dlc coming out any anyone have any ideo how much!?

@zthornzx1364

Ай бұрын

I only know it's coming out on the 30th, suspecting

@WISECOSKS

Ай бұрын

@@zthornzx1364 amazing thanks bro

@zthornzx1364

Ай бұрын

@@WISECOSKS Np!

I missed domination ;)

Cool, missed dom battles

But no actual Beasts of Nurgle

I am doing well! 🎉

Doesn’t going back to zero time for objectives to be active nerf all the slow factions again. The whole reason we went to the inactive objectives was to allow slower factions to be competitive

@lordhuhnerfutter9191

Ай бұрын

If I remember correctly in the meantime the game duration has been tripled as well, so I don't think it's a huge deal.

Why no artillery for the empire? a mortar in the back against slow nurgle. And do you know if the empire great cannon get the canister shot in MP?

Wasn't the ability of the Pestigors bugged?

Some of these recent games havent been really fair. It seems one side is wining overwhelmingly due to other side (in this game Empire) not playing very well.

@lordhuhnerfutter9191

Ай бұрын

Did you even watch the game till the end lol? I mean - I made a fair few mistakes the biggest ones on the build screen I think, though I don't think neither Turin nor me has played poorly this game.

@limper106

Ай бұрын

He didn't watch the whole video

How do you get access to the beta?

Why did you change your name to Palpatine?

Pestigors, Beastmen blessed by Papa Nurgle, have worse stats than Gors. Why the hell are is their MD 26?

The caster having access to the rot beast mount makes the generic melee lord feel redundant. I'm guessing they have the same stats or just marginally worse ones on the caster. And the utility on the chaos lord of nurgle didn't seem particularly worthwhile, he doesn't get innate healing and bringing him with a caster hero is a lot more expensive.

GG

I thought the point of delayed start was to help slow races not get triple capped for nothing.... Miss the days when Felkon was the best player now its some dude named chicken lord.... I'm getting old.

@eumaies

Ай бұрын

It’s going to be much better for gunline/slow factions. Previously the best way to beat them was often to spend a long time not engaging to build up a massive wave of troops .

@turinRTS

Ай бұрын

@@eumaies What he said

Gooning characters now takes on a whole new meaning

Someone mentioned state troopers getting a cost increase and I think I agree. Empire can flood you with infantry to block or hold objectives. If they were as bad as Brettonia infantry then sure but a small increase might mean you have one or two less units on the field at once

@arn1345

Ай бұрын

You know people say that and it doesn't make sense. State troops are supposed to be numerous and decently cost effective.

Hey man I was watching your most recent live stream, I wish I could message you. The maps with the pillars in the middle are just anti-fun. I hope you don’t keep playing those.

Nurgle needs to lean into Damage through AOE... and the closer they are together the stronger the disease. Make them into TANKS that kill their enemies by just being near them.

@cotten45

Ай бұрын

Weak Melee, Weak Ranged.... OP with heals and AOE poisons. lean hard

At last, a different kind of greenskins game

@lordhuhnerfutter9191

Ай бұрын

What do you mean?

@brightonhansford3926

Ай бұрын

@@lordhuhnerfutter9191 there's just been so many greenskins games

i hope khorne pvp gets a no spell mastery caster hero of like fire and metal only. them not having magic is a huge negative to competitive multiplayer like no range for vampire counts. the game is so developed now every faction should have some option for every obstacle/playstyle even if over-priced or underperforming. the option helps with counterpicking and just overall flavor and playstyle of a faction

@N0ahface

Ай бұрын

Hell nah just make them better at melee

@fisch3392

Ай бұрын

@@N0ahface I’d be happy with that too but seems like a hard balancing issue more easily fixed with a caster

@N0ahface

Ай бұрын

@@fisch3392 Might as well give the Dwarfs skirmish cavalry

@fisch3392

Ай бұрын

I could dig a motorcycle unit lol

empire feels more op than Kislev.

@turinRTS

Ай бұрын

Def not

10 fps

why don't u ever do normal land battles? You lost so many viewers due to it, just a friendly question.

@turinRTS

Ай бұрын

Some folks may have stopped watching, but when it comes to content work you have to do what you enjoy/are into, or else it reflects in your work imo. I enjoy dom more, granted, I just posted like 5 LB videos. Many folks also like domination mode more than LB, so that pendulum swings both ways. I do have some plans for LB events in the future as well.

@limper106

Ай бұрын

This man has not been paying attention