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@wargamesmaster

11 ай бұрын

He's not Palpatine, he's more like the living definition of the "rule of two". An evil person who did insanely awful stuff and another is in the shadows, waiting for his time to take the n°1 a-hole place in the gaming industry.

@evilgibson

11 ай бұрын

Oh wait, I tried looking through the text but it looks like the fee is applied on Jan 2024 for all Unity games if they are going on a per install basis. If you released your Unity game before that date, could the dev still be charged for every install?

@mix3k818

11 ай бұрын

What do we expect from him? He was in charge of EA and he said he wanted to charge players for every bullet in Battlefield.

@GlivGluv

11 ай бұрын

He sold a bunch of stock before the announcement too.

@musketeer1232

11 ай бұрын

At least Palpatin had standards.

This is one of the craziest oversteps I’ve ever seen in gaming history. Absolutely ridiculous.

@Nicholasmcmath-cr1xl

11 ай бұрын

Agree

@MrRoxBrown

11 ай бұрын

Yet...

@dr.bishop8915

11 ай бұрын

An overstep that makes your company as sustainable as a drop of water in the desert.

@RavenShugo

11 ай бұрын

MTX was craziest overstep in gaming history, but here we are with armies of white knights defending it.

@Tenchinu

11 ай бұрын

ex-EA

The CEO is literally the spitting image of every grimey greedy corporate evil boss character in every movie and game

@pax1217

11 ай бұрын

Full ready player one vibes

@PokeGuy6

11 ай бұрын

Agreed. It's greedy corporate bastards like him who are the cancer in video gaming.

@GorFrag

11 ай бұрын

he's bad enough to have been the head of EA.

@smokinggnu6584

11 ай бұрын

@@pax1217 I had the exact same though there.

@VitalVampyr

11 ай бұрын

A living "greedy businessman" stock photo.

I hope big companies sue Unity's leadership into oblivion.

@fluffysnowgryph4527

11 ай бұрын

They won't go after larger companies as they will have fleets of lawyers on standby and plenty om money for legal fees and will be more than willing to fight off unity's BS. They will mainly target smaller indie developers as they normally dont have a large dedicated legal team and alot of money for a very long and drawn out court battle.

@videochantel6069

11 ай бұрын

Even if so, those people will always get a job somewhere else. Why wouldn't you hire someone who's been in every big company. Even if you drove them to the ground. We as a society value image not skill. I have witnessed a man being fired multiple times and still getting higher job positions. Because his resume shows he's been a manager in all places. Why would it be different.

@tysonvienneau1830

11 ай бұрын

@@fluffysnowgryph4527 Well here's the thing, there are games made by the triple A titans have games in unity, so they're affected. Meaning they have reason to go after unity. And it's bad enough to be ostracized by one of them

@cherrydragon3120

11 ай бұрын

​@@fluffysnowgryph4527uhm... you may be forgetting that some Unity games are published by Big companies. :) Square enix, nintendo, microsoft. They will have to cough up the cash for their dev studio's using unity and getting succes. 😂 they will NOT be happy in the slightest as publishers

@NotLikeUs17

10 ай бұрын

@@fluffysnowgryph4527if all the smaller companies band together and do a class action lawsuit they can.

The fact that they decided to make it per install rather than per purchase suggests to me that they are going to abuse this immensely and make quick bucks. They can easily make a bot in the company whose sole purpose is to uninstall and re-install unity games they bought and this will give Unity endless stream of revenue. They'll likely buy small unity games so that the time for each installation is short, driving the selected unlucky indie developer into bankrupcy.

@L16htW4rr10r

11 ай бұрын

I wouldn't even be surprised at this point if this is true....

@casachezdoom2588

11 ай бұрын

As others have stated, they wouldn't even need to do this. Since the method they use to make the calculations isn't transparent, they can just inflate the numbers...

@gavinw77

11 ай бұрын

You should know that an install is not every time you click the install button, it's the number of active instances of the application. For example, I have a MS.365 sub, so I can have 5 logins simultaneously, that means I can have 5 active installs. I can reinstall the apps repeatedly on different machines, and after I've cleared a system drive. I don't pay for each installation procedure, I have already payed for the installs.

@kelp7060

11 ай бұрын

@@gavinw77 Yeah, let's just trust them with that and not changing it in future and actually be able to track that information. You don't see the issue.

@paladin181

11 ай бұрын

They made it per install to target free games like Genshin Impact and Pokémon Go.

I never would have imagined living in a world where installing a game could hurt a developer.

@mediumvillain

11 ай бұрын

Incredible isnt it

@sasaki999pro

11 ай бұрын

*Me, Mass Uninstalling and Reinstalling Heartstone on every device in my home JUST to screw with Activision Blizzard:* _My reasons are beyond your comprehension..._

@AshAsmodeus

11 ай бұрын

@@sasaki999pro nah; not really... with what AB is doing these days they'd deserve worse but I don't think it would be fair to the devs of a game like Cult of the Lamb to suffer for the egrious missteps made by the triple-A companies

@sasaki999pro

11 ай бұрын

@@AshAsmodeus Nah nah, I aint touching those games, CoL and Cuphead are staying firmly on my hard drive where they belong.

@aazelion5189

11 ай бұрын

Did you forget about pirating?

If they sold stocks in their own company before announcing something they knew would tank the stock price, then the SEC needs to open an investigation for illegal insider trading.

@breakupgoogle4584

11 ай бұрын

This. We should all write them an email asking them to look into it.

@phdonme1

11 ай бұрын

Yes yes yes

@phdonme1

11 ай бұрын

Which I believe is actually incoming right now

@jonathonspears7736

11 ай бұрын

Absolutely agree

@janky477

11 ай бұрын

There is a huge lawsuit coming, that much is guaranteed. This Ricitiello guy needs to be sent to jail, and then charger $6000 per meal.

Former CEO of EA....you see that's the one bit of information needed to crystallize everything. Thanks Yong, you made it make sense. I understand everything now.

@DKNguyen3.1415

11 ай бұрын

Yep. EA known for making money by killing developers for quick short term profits, leaving dead developers in its wake.

@jrg87

10 ай бұрын

Just to point out, AFAIK, the reason he's a FORMER EA CEO is apparently because he was too much even for EA

@FubukiTheIcyKing

10 ай бұрын

​@@jrg87Man, when the forces of evil say you're too much, and you know you've gone too far

Thank you Unity, for decidedly solving for me my dilemma of whether to learn Unity or Unreal.

@williamstark9568

10 ай бұрын

I need to decide Godot or Unreal. I'm glad for you though.

They're called Unity for a reason. They can pull stuff like this and get the entire industry unified against them. Truly a heartwarming story.

@ricardohoang8452

11 ай бұрын

Hoyoverse will piss them off at China LMAO

@SomeKindaSpy

11 ай бұрын

It makes sense when you realize this is the same executive from EA who wanted to charge people $1 for reloading their gun in (i think it was) modern warfare. He also sold 2,000 shares in Unity stock a few months back.

@athenewdecade5135

11 ай бұрын

Can't wait for Nintendo lawyers to burned them out

@obiwanjebroni505

11 ай бұрын

doesnt matter, theyll squeeze a premium out of the people who try and stick it out and then they'll shut down and take their money to the bank as they declare bankruptcy and write the losses off on their personal taxes.

@thesosoartist4458

11 ай бұрын

​@@SomeKindaSpy Would be Battlefield, he was an EA executive, not activision

Unity: *Destroys the devs' trust* Devs: "How would we even know the numbers you charge us for are correct?" Unity: "Trust me, bro"

@oprime

11 ай бұрын

Devs: We don't trust you! (They proceed to install their OWN software to monitor Unity to make sure they aren't being overcharged. Which is what I would do if I had ANY kind of brains.)

@anakomaru

11 ай бұрын

Or, you know, switch to unreal, lmao

11 ай бұрын

@@oprime Realistically, they will switch to other engines, like Godot for 2D and Unreal for 3D

@TheSoCalledZoner1

11 ай бұрын

gotta play fair

@imaginalex5850

11 ай бұрын

it's not the unity pre 2020 before it was acquired, this is EA wearing it's carcass for many years and destroying it from within.

Man this policy is hella exploitable. A bad faith actor (such as a rival company) could easily write a script to repeatedly build up a virtual machine, install the game, then tear it down. Unity is asking to be sued by leaving this in place.

I doubt this will hold up in court. Devs and publishers should take Unity to court and contest the charges and make them prove their methods and the accuracy.

@fnln3011

11 ай бұрын

Even winning that lawsuit devs should still transition to some other engine wherever possible. This is a huge "do not trust this company" moment.

@jwarrior9986

11 ай бұрын

Hundreds of thousands of dollars paid to lawyers later...pretty much kills indie.

Ah, John Riccitiello. Right there is a man with a knack for turning games and studios alike into graveyards and financial skills that can be summed up as "aquire a company, run it into the dirt, trade all goodwill for money ASAP, and bail." If he weren't a CEO, he'd be a crypto scammer.

@porterbennett7041

11 ай бұрын

i still dont understand why he got hired or rehired for that fact

@Gehrich_

11 ай бұрын

@@porterbennett7041 He has an astounding track record for enormous short term returns. His ability to milk a cow to death is likely appreciated by similarly myopic financial grifters posing as businessmen.

@DeathCluntch

11 ай бұрын

I mean he learned from the best in that field of ruining games! I’m talking about EA

@elhazthorn918

11 ай бұрын

So I'm starting to understand how and why the French in the olden days treated their monarchs in the way the did. I used to think "how barbaric!" but I'm actually sympathizing with the French now.

@RElNHART1

11 ай бұрын

@@elhazthorn918 Id pay a dollar to reload a guillotine.

Unity is doing a great job ensuring the success of Unreal Engine 5

@alsen99

11 ай бұрын

Or any other game engine

@imsoarty

11 ай бұрын

Massive Godot W

@peepopalaber

11 ай бұрын

@@imsoarty Was abouut to say that, Godot ftw.

@ronnibech3376

11 ай бұрын

Unfortunally my cynical mind is twist and turning and saying this like " I wonder if UE CEO have something to do with it like waving a fat deal under the nose of CEO" would not be the first time ceos of different companies was in bed with each other 😓

@TheGothGaming

11 ай бұрын

UE5 is still more expensive than Unity even with the new fee. UE5 takes 5% of your revenue once you hit a certain threshold. Granted their threshold is much higher but it also takes a bigger cut from the devs. Im not defending unity, I understand they have to also make money and flat fee licenses are not enough. The thing that pisses me and everyone else is the fact that they want to implement this to existing games, retroactively. People that already paid for the flat licenses can now be subject to this extra and unexpected fee. Also the way they communicate it was horrible, too much confusion.

One thing that I've not seen mentioned are all the schools that teach game development with Unity as their main engine. The amount of people that are affected by this is a lot more than those already working in the industry. This particular fuck up is one for the ages.

@pretzelboi64

11 ай бұрын

This is all driven by laziness and a false sense of superiority. People started falsely believing that they could just make 3D games without having to learn any C++ or 3D graphics theory around 2010 because someone else would do it for them, which led educators to pivot from teaching pure theory to teaching Unity trivia. This is the result

Earlier this year Wizard of the Coast, the makers of Dungeons & Dragons, tried something incredibly similar with their licenses for 3rd party publishers through their Open Gaming License. It is almost like a bunch of Corporate heads attended the same seminar on "How to ruin your company through shameless Greed, like an idiot."

@jackanarchy99

11 ай бұрын

"If you build your game using our engine, technically, it belongs to us."

The higher ups at Unity need to be investigated for insider trading considering the fact they sold stocks before announcing this awful change. Unity not only shot themselves in the foot, this was a headshot.

@krisztiannemeth6875

11 ай бұрын

Thats exactly what i thought, but i dont know much about the law, would this stick in court?

@swissarmyknight4306

11 ай бұрын

Wait, would they tank the company on purpose?

@ultimatediscdork

11 ай бұрын

Yep. I may be wrong about this but usually there is a freeze on shares during a transition like this. So for them to do a massive dump before a major announcement reeks of insider trading violation.

@toobig7150

11 ай бұрын

@@krisztiannemeth6875 It would, thing is that (as usual) this is always ignored unless the noise made its really big OR its also "bundled" with other crimes, unless it was in EU then i doubt anything will happen. An awful lot of CEOS do these kind of sells right before anything big, even announcing that, but no one really cares. Speaking of EU: Its totally on the power of the union to simply say "well, we wont allow you to do that here", they have done things like that in the past and literally forced apple too,......but i think what will happen its that Unity parent company will go bankrupt first.

@maxmikester8185

11 ай бұрын

Martha Stuart went to jail for exactly this. If they don’t go to jail there is going to be a riot…

Imagine a paint company charging an artist for everyone who views their painting. Imagine a concrete company charging a builder for everyone who walks into a building. Imagine a tool company charging a carpenter for everyone who sits in a chair.

@frostreaper1607

11 ай бұрын

Don't give them ideas, its already going downhill with AI art as there are idiots in favor of copyrighting styles.

@pseudonayme7717

11 ай бұрын

Welcome to Crapitalism 🤢

@RichSmithson

11 ай бұрын

“You will own nothing and be happy” Here is your Pod and Bug diet global citizen.

@monakh_jcf2312

11 ай бұрын

Its basically the residuals the hollywood writers and Film Actors Guild members are whining about

@L_e_t_h_e_r_e_a_l

11 ай бұрын

@@pseudonayme7717I wouldn’t even consider this capitalism anymore this is plutocracy now.

Unity would probably do massive install campaigns themselves for all the devs affected by their scheme, to create even more revenue. If they claim that they're the only ones with monitoring tools, who's there to stop them.

@kyleadelaide

11 ай бұрын

They wouldn't even have to do that. If it's a proprietry black box system, they could just put their finger on the scale and inflate the numbers. After all, it seems to be a "trust me bro" system.

@DeliciousDogMeat

11 ай бұрын

That would be criminal fraud on the part of anyone directly involved. To attempt this would require many people to know about it, and one of them would blow the whistle. Their numbers could be questionable for other reasons, but this isn’t a realistic concern.

@Kyntteri

11 ай бұрын

@@DeliciousDogMeat They're pretty clearly ready to scam the crap out of the devs.

@DeliciousDogMeat

11 ай бұрын

@@Kyntteri No, they're trying to exploit their market dominance for profit. That does not mean they are going to turn the company into a criminal enterprise. Be realistic.

@subtlewolf

11 ай бұрын

​@@DeliciousDogMeatOnly if you can prove intent. As often the incentive here isn't so much to order someone to cheat but rather to turn a blind eye to potential problems that inevitably creep up.

The entire body of staff told the executives that this was a heinous idea, got told that this was not how they'd do it and there'd be more answers soon, and then the day after announced the policy to the public unchanged. They are currently in the middle of a massive staff walkout, split halfway between people walking out for now and people who are straight-up handing in their papers.

What we learn from Nintendo and Unity, *Do not hire ex-CEOs from EA for CEO positions.*

@ArmageddonEvil

11 ай бұрын

Do not hire ex-CEOs from EA, Microsoft, Acti-Blizzard, or any of the Triple AAA Industries for Games, Movies, etc. It's a bad idea. That's what we learned today kids, that you cannot trust these scumbags in suits not to only scam you out of money but kill off fun for profit and greed. Bobby Kotick probably has a CEO position lined up in Unreal Engine possibly.

@wahahaFM

11 ай бұрын

Also from blizzard

@username172

11 ай бұрын

​@@wahahaFMwasnt blizzards bullshit also partly caused by an ex EA employee?

@supersmily5811

11 ай бұрын

SOMEONE DID THAT TWICE!?! They didn't learn?

@supersmily5811

11 ай бұрын

SOMEONE DID THAT TWICE!?! They didn't learn?

I like how no one brings up the fact that unity themselves could set up install bots

@alejandrocamberosrodriguez4222

11 ай бұрын

Wouldn't be surprised if they were already working on that.

@SikGamer70

11 ай бұрын

They don't even have to do that. They are "calculating" installs in-house, there is nothing besides whistleblowing stopping them from just jacking up the numbers.

@Weaver_Games

11 ай бұрын

Would they even need to? They could just lie and say you owe X money. Why go through the rigmarole?

@MrSqurk

11 ай бұрын

Also no-one is mentioning that a malicious individual could setup a VM system that merely spoofs installs. All the talk is around non-genuine installs but faking an actual install through the runtime environment almost seems trivial.

@TheDwagonHD

11 ай бұрын

​@@MrSqurksomeone mentioned you can also prob look and see what triggers the "install flag" in unity, and just make a script that repeatedly activates the trigger, dont even need to install at all.

Fantastic video detailing the situation. This isn’t just bad for devs, it’s bad for gamers too. Hopefully Unity gets what they deserve.

@dvdjkaufmn

11 ай бұрын

It's only bad for gamers if they keep giving companies like EA and Activision, even more money...

@xxCrimsonSpiritxx

11 ай бұрын

It's going to be bad for gamers only eventually when developers start to charge extra 0.20 cents for their games to cover Pay per Download

This whole thing is such an example of why corporate greed is so self-destructive.

Unity is leading the best Unreal-Engine PR campaign that has ever happened. Epic Games are awestruck at this incredible free PR.

@CaptToilet

11 ай бұрын

yep and all these devs who are used to the easy access of unity are going to be in for a shit show with UE. Think the stutters are bad now, ohhh boy

@generalcjg

11 ай бұрын

​​​@diomedes7971They'll end up using the GODOT engine then since that is another easy to use engine for devs (especially indie devs), and it is a free open source engine. And even if Unreal is more challenging to use, at least you know that if you manage to learn how to use it and get a game out, that game won't end up risking your financial status; so at the end of the day it still is better to go with Unreal than Unity at this point.

@chrimony

11 ай бұрын

@diomedes7971 Well if all you want is a shovel, Godot is free and open source. Many quality games have been made with this engine.

@MrSqurk

11 ай бұрын

@@CaptToiletmaybe I am the wrong person to ask but I have never found UE vs Unity all that different. You might need to speak to “real” game devs but I was making something low poly then I would have picked Unity because I find C# easier. It wouldn’t have much to do with the engine.

@masterbasher9542

11 ай бұрын

To quote Sun Tzu: "Never interrupt your opponent while he is in the middle of making a mistake."

Unity's Terms of Service had a clause that pointed out that you can follow the ToS of your Unity version. So if you have an older version of the Unity engine and they change the ToS, you can still abide by the ToS that's in place for your version of Unity instead of the new one. But as soon as they made this change, someone pointed this out, people sighed in relief, because using an older version of Unity or current version means that it doesn't apply to them. But guess what? As soon as this got pointed out, UNITY REMOVED THAT CLAUSE FROM THE TOS SHORTLY AFTER! Now, I'm pretty sure that any time a ToS or EULA gets changed, you have to be notified and be allowed to reread and reconsider it, yeah? I don't know if developers have to agree to this new ToS just yet, BUT they removed a clause from an existing ToS without notifying people or letting them reconsider it. In fact I'm pretty sure it's technically required by law, even if the contract says they can change it at any time without warning. Fun fact: Legal documents and contracts like this are not legally-binding if they break the law. You can "agree" to their terms all you want, as others point out, but if they're asking you if they can do something illegal, or for you to do something illegal, the contract is no longer valid and will not hold up in court.

@errorx_x1063

11 ай бұрын

Yay! I like being gaslit by video games

@Mac_Omegaly

11 ай бұрын

Yes. It was removed the moment WotC tried to undo the same statement in their open license agreement. Which was WotC trying to steal all D&D content ever made.

@chickencurry420

11 ай бұрын

Now THAT sounds like a great point to mention in court

@jason2mate

11 ай бұрын

I mean it means any dev can refuse to pay these fees, because Unity literally can't take them to court for this, as they would have to produce proof that they deleted these things.

@LemonRush7777

11 ай бұрын

That doesn't sound very legal.

And now we’re seeing from posts on forums that Devs don’t have to pay the fees if they’re using IronSource as their ad provider, according to their Unity rep. It’s all about forcing devs to use THEIR ad service if they want to stay in business.

Riccitiello is a product of the gaming industry getting big enough that real corporate meddling starts to happen. Companies that are publicly traded have a legal obligation to produce an ever increasing profit if they are able to do so. People like Riccitiello's job is literally only to find creative ways to make more money. If you have already reached market saturation and can't expect to sell more copies of a given title next year, then they have to look for additional revenue streams. Maybe we as gamers should be carefully considering if we are going to support gaming companies who are publicly traded with their primary investors being giant faceless index funds who demand exponential growth year over year.

It always blows me away that all it takes is a single, permanent, reminder that these CEO's are entirely mortal.

@KorangarInc

11 ай бұрын

Can't tell if this was meant to be "immoral" or an undertone death threat lol

@Eweyhen

11 ай бұрын

Are you saying we should kill someone over a video game? Lol

@valletas

11 ай бұрын

​@@Eweyhenwhile what he was saying is dumb this isn't really over any videogames Remember unity is a tool first that people use on a daily basis to make a living It's not a game, it's not drama, it's not even a controversy It's simple unity taking away people's livelihoods and their families well being

@CyFed_Republic_of_Kaltovar

11 ай бұрын

At least someone is willing to have some testicles in public. In France they burn things down when someone with power sneezes wrong. In America we bend over and cry while we ask them to stop nailing us. When does "It's not that big of a deal" stop being a good argument against being mad at someone who won't stop messing with your life in 1000 different tiny ways? These vampires seek out and destroy any natural joy in the world so they can copy it, mass produce it, and charge you money for what was once free. People like them kill millions every year by making "Small changes" to healthcare policies, pension schemes, and workforces around the world but suddenly I'm supposed to wet my pants because somebody vaguely references something bad happening to one of them?

@TheScyy

11 ай бұрын

You need mental help, now. You sound like a psycho to react like that to this.

Developer here. I've helped a lot of devs over the last 9 years working with Unity launch their games on PC and console. This stings. Not only for my personal projects but everyone I've had the pleasure of working with. I am now working diligently helping devs port and move engines which is not an easy task like some may think. There's a lot of learning involved with other engines but I am doing my best to help devs get back on their feet as quickly as I can. I have postponed my own work until I can get others in the community sorted quickly and efficiently. This is not fun. My heart goes out to everyone.

@maxbreaker

11 ай бұрын

Would you recommend I develop mobile games on godot, unity, or unreal?

@jakehero95

11 ай бұрын

​@@maxbreaker Game Maker is another great option depending on your needs

@andrewkandasamy

11 ай бұрын

@@maxbreaker Depends. I'm in favor of Godot, but I also use RPG Maker and despite having a rather steep price tag of $70 it usually can be bought on sale and is very quick to learn and use for its niche of games. It also has an active community and many compatible asset libraries. That being said, it is extremely limited because it is geared towards making a single type of game. Although if you're really willing to go the extra mile you can use it for a lot more. For example, I'm using it create a FE style game.

@AegixDrakan

11 ай бұрын

Oh yeah, everyone I know in the industry is reeling from this. I'm one of several people at my own studio taking a sick day today just to deal with the mountain of extra stress that just got dumped on all our backs. x_x

@SawerMeatFactory

11 ай бұрын

​@@maxbreakerUE5 stomps its competition.

For me, one of the most agregious points of it all is what you barely touched at the end: the change that was highlighted by the removal of the licensing changes tracking repository, where one could see what changed from one version to another. Even if their will is to force developers to always adhere to the latest version of the licensing terms, I don't think they can force those who have already shipped games using the current and older versions of them. As per the terms of those licenses, they can (and any sane one, should) stick to the ones they used at the time they finished the game or update and not upgrade at all, using the exact same version of the SDK and runtime if need be for future updates. As for the repo being deleted, what, do they think developers won't be "diff"ing the changes going forward? It is a shame to see how they are driving the engine into the ground; it is quite capable without being crazy difficult, but I wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole anymore.

Great breakdown Yea. I see this as just another step towards oblivion for the gaming industry.... it's unbelievable how far it has fallen.. I remember playing hundreds of hours of Morrwind when I was a kid. The game cost me £25 and gave me endless hours of joy. Games like that are so rare now..

@lonewolf5238

11 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. It's sickening to see how far we've fallen.

Honestly, I'm impressed. This is a level of sheer f*cking hubris you'd only see in a Greek myth

@Zlx1

11 ай бұрын

Hahaha 🤣

@banishedpest115

11 ай бұрын

I don't know about hubris, seems like sheer folly.

@daigonmocs0785

11 ай бұрын

@@banishedpest115 same thing if youre philosophical

@gh3ttoduCanada

11 ай бұрын

Game myth

@apasten0818

11 ай бұрын

...and then he was horribly tortured eternally in the depths of Hades, as he neither received nor deserved any pity from mortals and gods alike.

Honestly I’m not even surprised how bad unity has been ever since he’s been added as the owner of it

@Deliveredmean42

11 ай бұрын

How did that happen is beyond me. The warning signs are there. And short term sucess has always have the long term troubles.

@theunknowman12

11 ай бұрын

@@Deliveredmean42 being greedy is the answer. Him being CEO doesn't last forever so he probably trying to get as much money as possible

@DarthDragon007

11 ай бұрын

@@theunknowman12 I think the answer is stock/share holders. They always seem to think in the short term. How can we get more profit in small amounts of time? Ugh makes me sick.

@Travelerr

11 ай бұрын

Honestly this surprised me rhat it's not a violation of anti consumer practice as well as everyone on the board of unity not being on the hook for insider trading

@Deliveredmean42

11 ай бұрын

How can it make profit if it results in lower stock? The idiosyncrasy of stock/share holders is amazing@@DarthDragon007

Thank you for covering this and bringing more awareness to this situation in such a detailed and comprehensible video. This situation is so infuriating and many small independents studios like us are stuck too far in development to switch engine and are stuck between either shipping their game using Unity and dealing with this bs we never agreed to in the first place, or completely scrap projects that have been over a year in development already. This also applies to all the tools we've created and the years of expertise we've had with the engine that will all have to go down the drain. Hopefully they backtrack so we can just finish our current project in peace, but one thing is for sure: the trust is broken and we will never use Unity again for future projects. Not only is there too much financial risk for all the reasons that were mentioned in the video, but also: finding a publisher that will accept to fund indie games made with Unity will also be a risk, and platform owners, such as Microsoft with Game Pass, are more likely to just refuse Unity-made games on their services instead of forcefully complying with Unity's policy.

That’s crazy. This cannot be made to stand. Everyone in the industry and consumers (gamers) need to shut this down with your wallets. Can you imagine the harm this has the potential to do with game releases, prices and long term IP sustainment if all game engines did this. Insane.

@senormarston

11 ай бұрын

The hard part is making consumers actually stop consuming, people are a weird kind of animal, easy to manipulate, as you may have seen in the last decade

Amazing how one company can irreparably damage the games industry like this. Have they never heard of "Don't bite the hand that feeds"???

@senertyk5376

11 ай бұрын

You gotta pay per bite lol

@goldencash

11 ай бұрын

Of course they know that phrase But they still want to try and not only bite it but fuck it too

@generalsci3831

11 ай бұрын

Start getting people to boycott. Without a boycott, people like this company will never care.

@honorablejudgecoinberg1788

11 ай бұрын

@@generalsci3831and this is why they do it. Consumer integrity is a zero. Corporations know this and exploit it. There will be no end.

@tranz2deep

11 ай бұрын

Are you kidding? This is EA and its castoff leeches! These parasites are responsible for buying, holding hostage, ripping off, and killing franchises and dev studios and they have been doing it for decades!

He's the PERFECT example of what NOT to do when you make a videogame.

@pastaplatoon6184

11 ай бұрын

We can only hope that Larien and Fromsoft set a new standard.

@evandaymon8303

11 ай бұрын

Expect he isn’t making game just fucking over everyone who use the engine

@dr.bishop8915

11 ай бұрын

This guy’s going into the book of how not to make a game

@Jbeasty1990

11 ай бұрын

Except it readily works and has made them boatloads. At least they act in their own interest, while consumers keep mindlessly buying the stuff acting like it isn't bringing everyone and themselves down. All the while taking the time to argue against that in random comment sections and shit. Harder to be mad at guys like this when THAT is going on....

@masteroak9724

11 ай бұрын

DO NOT hire Richitello or any old geezer like him who want the money without understanding how the thing works.

Just a question: If unity is tracking by per install. Then who is to say that even the charity exception won't be abused as well? For example: devs could use charity more often to get around paying unity. Pirates may use the charity code. Imagine if Unity may only count the FIRST install of the game as the exception and then any installs onto other computers with the same charity code as invalid and make the dev still end up being charged money per install. All of these and more are possibilities and since Unity has the ability to change things, I wouldn't be surprised if Unity changes their policies in response to these tactics that might remove money from their greedy hands. It is clear why developers are scared and unwilling to trust them at this point.

"Unity's CEO, the former CEO of EA-" Well that tells me just about everything I need, doesn't it?

boy it never fails to amaze me how the gaming industry manages to hit new lows.

@apophisstr6719

11 ай бұрын

Welcome to extreme capitalism.

@rob_over_9000

11 ай бұрын

@@apophisstr6719Just means someone else will compete to fill the gap left by Unity, quit bitching about capitalism unless you have a better system.

@yuuka4964

11 ай бұрын

​@@rob_over_9000Ya know, communism is still on the table.

@jblps

11 ай бұрын

@@apophisstr6719 *Unregulated predatory practices

@comyuse9103

11 ай бұрын

@@rob_over_9000 i do, socialism, and communism. fuck you could even make an argument for _feudalism._

You can take John Riccitello out of EA, but you can never take EA out of him.

@Thelemonlicorice

11 ай бұрын

It's in his blood.

@nyerion5712

11 ай бұрын

You can take Riccitello out of EA but you can't take the Riccitello out of EA, I believe he was one of the trash that brought the shitty ideas to EA and the game development world and ruined it forever

@3AMREVIEWS

11 ай бұрын

What an absolute parasite

@TheDezembro

11 ай бұрын

I'm glad he's out during the time of the new Jedi games or we would be f*cking paying to fill the Force bar.

@L16htW4rr10r

11 ай бұрын

​@@TheDezembroThank God...

This is one of the clearest cases of insider trading & fraud that I’ve ever witnessed. Charging people who never agreed to those changes will hopefully get this guillotine bait broke asf.

I worry we will permanently lose both the ability to buy many older unity made indie games and also indie developers and their future games because of this. That obviously is not as important as the effects on the people themselves but it is important to the health of gaming as a medium and we are all going to be poorer for it.

How wonderful it must be to be John Riccitielo. A man so out of touch with the real world, so detached from humanity, he might actually be living and running Unity from the moon. 🚀🌙

@pcachu

11 ай бұрын

If he was actually on the moon the Toast King would kick him in the junk for this, and Moon Keith Moon would use his head as a snare drum.

@AndrewTaylorNintyuk

11 ай бұрын

He's a money hoarding asshole, he doesn't see people or understand his products. He just wants to get as much money as possible and will step on anyone or anything to get as much as possible.

@Brimst0ne_XB

11 ай бұрын

If he were out of touch it wouldn't be so evil. He's not oblivious he knows exactly what he's doing which makes it 10 times worse.

@F1fan4eva

11 ай бұрын

@MyLazySundae​​⁠thanks to unchecked/unfettered capitalism

@Xelos86

11 ай бұрын

Shouldn't he be in Jail for introducing globally gambling to kids under "surprise mechanics" costume?

John Riccitiello made the impossible: he UNITED the gaming community

@michaelcgrigori7823

11 ай бұрын

Nice one😂😂😂😂😂!

@generalcjg

11 ай бұрын

We haven't seen this type of massive uproar since Star Wars Battlefront 2 EA released in 2017. Ironic, isn't it?

@christopherrowe7860

11 ай бұрын

When devs and gamers become legion against you, you know you just really fucked up

@michaelcgrigori7823

11 ай бұрын

@@christopherrowe7860 you spelled legion wrong 😎

@Lexyvil

11 ай бұрын

@@generalcjg All it took was one man. One non-legend.

For my 3 years of university for game development and design major and minor. I had to use unity, which required me to become fairly proficient with it. although I always wanted to use unreal especially with all the new capabilities they keep adding to it, this whole debacle gives me a good reason to finally switch over. Feel really bad for developers and studios that are being affected negatively by the greed of a few individuals.

Unity defends their new pricing by saying it will not affect "90%" of their customers. However, the thing about this for me is that it discourages success. As an indie developer myself, I WANT my games to see the kind of success of the 10%. Sure, it may be unrealistic, but I think it's still worth striving for. In this model, Unity is actively discouraging people from building up a successful career with Unity, because developers will only get fucked by this fee in the long run.

A former CEO of EA... now it all makes sense.

@monkaWGiga

11 ай бұрын

Not just any CEO of EA. The CEO of EA who was around when Ultimate team was introduced and other shady practices.

@bruvathroatpuncher500

11 ай бұрын

If your business proposal was too greedy even for EA, then NO company should ever hire him within a position of power. Unity must now fall because of this.

@sunlightcrusader

11 ай бұрын

Even todays EA is not THIS problematic. I see them getting on with the Jedi games. John Riccitiello is just industry-annihilating guy who should not be in any gaming industry related company. Absolutely disqusting.

"He was formerly CEO of EA" Honestly couldve ended the video there. Tells us everything we need to know.

@kallemetsahalme5701

10 ай бұрын

its always possible he was the ceo for a day. in his initiation speech he goes "we will be making games for gamers from now on" at which point security walks to the stage and says this man isnt working for us anymore. but i can just imagine riccitello playing pacman or space invaders cabinet in his youth in moes tavern and going "oh if i got a nickle for every yellow ball, or could add a popup screen to buy a power orb every time a ghost is just about to hit and then make some ghosts invisible so you dont know when its about to happen"

@Become-Eggplant

10 ай бұрын

Isn't that the same jackas* that suggested that they should charge players for ammunition in games?

@sharkeatinpizza

10 ай бұрын

​@@Become-Eggplantyes he is, suggested battlefield charging $1 to reload your magazine

@AManWithAVoice

10 ай бұрын

He ruined gaming

Its not even a matter of how they can track installs or whatever, just the audicity to think they can change their policy across the board like this is what gets me

What is really disturbing is they claim a right to change the rules for games that may have been out for years and were entirely developed under a different agreement -- not just this time, but potentially in the future to who knows what. How can anyone trust them now.

Congrats John Riccitiello, you found the emergency eject button for devs to stop using your platform, also hes now guilty of insider trading

@MisterVercetti

11 ай бұрын

And? Remember: this is America, the largest neo-feudal state in the world. The government isn't in charge of the uber-wealthy; it's the other way around.

@B3RyL

11 ай бұрын

Not guilty yet, but just wait until the SEC gets involved.

@smoothbrian.3997

11 ай бұрын

@@B3RyLLet’s hope this evil sewage blob gets serious prison time. I’m crossing my fingers.

I remember expressing concerns of this sort of thing happening back during 2012, when I was on an entry level Video Game Development course. My concerns were dismissed my the tutor as "too depressing" and "unlikely to ever happen". The Future is now old man.

@Cozm1k

11 ай бұрын

Lmaoooo, we live on this planet with greedy fucks, of course this was gonna happen!

@RurouniHiro

11 ай бұрын

Ring him up, show him the article,

@grayfox6518

11 ай бұрын

It's how it goes ironically, those who impart great wisdom in foreshadowing are seldom listened to until after it's too late.

@thegreatshamalamadingdong9788

11 ай бұрын

Tutors/teachers have never been up on the whole gaming biz. Back in the day when I was at school some 30 odd years ago, when I told my tutor I wanted to get into game development I was told "computer games will never be a viable business" lmao 🤣

@Aereto

11 ай бұрын

​@@thegreatshamalamadingdong9788 Though retrospectively it is for the best. We need to approach video games as works of art, because the approach as a business will make it built to suck the money out of anyone using it.

Anyone with a half-decent server board can now ruin companies, setup ram-drives, multiple VMs vpns may or may not be needed, and install-uninstall the same game they bought once several milion times over.

I love how rhey keep reassuring everyone that they will work with developers to resolve fraud, when NOT resolving or even proving it happened is literally in their best interest.

I hope this CEO dude is investigated by the FTC because this has shady written all over it, I feel bad for all the devs who are going to be forced to either delist or risk getting hit with what feels again like illegal charges. Imagine buying a chevy cruze then years later chevy comes along and says "Oh you're using this car for business? Ok we've determined you've passed the passanger threshhold so we're gonna charge you .20 per passenger".

@kosajk

11 ай бұрын

Not so funy fact is we are slowly going this direction They already charge monthly fee for using "luxury" things like seat heating, in a car that you payed full price for and have it already instaled on...

@liandoaethend2403

11 ай бұрын

paying tax for unneccesary sht, like you have to pay for anything, just simply living is hard

@jawstrock2215

11 ай бұрын

FTC is constantly gutted by the GOP. they don't have teeth at all. Even if they find him guilty of it, all he'll have is a fine of 5k$

@Amyante

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, selling stock a week before a major change you know is going to affect stock prices negatively is the textbook example of insider trading, and pretty much all the Unity CEOs did it.

@docc19

11 ай бұрын

Unless he harms their bf Sony in some way, the FTC doesnt give a crap!

The sad part is that Riccitiello can just walk away from this. He can start anew, with a new company, or at a new company, and never look back. Meanwhile, the companies and workers who put their blood, sweat, and tears into making their games are left with the aftermath, and severe circumstances that came out of nowhere.

@elhazthorn918

11 ай бұрын

I'm hoping his shareholders get so pissed he gets drawn and quartered by them.

@Alexander-rk4cu

11 ай бұрын

Heck, even the devs at Unity, who wants it to work, wants to do the right thing, are on the loosing end, their workplace and their is now untrust worthy, they are the ones getting sacked later to save profit. This whole thing screws over EVERYONE except for the shareholders and ceo's.

@XPuntar

11 ай бұрын

@@Alexander-rk4cu In reality even shareholders lose! ... In long term!

Choosing a game engine for your product is a huge business decision. Moving the goal posts is probably illegal - imagine buying a work truck, and then being asked to pay 10c per kilometer… 3 years after you bought the truck!!! TO BE PAID RETROACTIVELY!!!!

John Riccitiello is going to learn real quick that Nintendo has some of the most rabid lawyers in the world. Also, them selling their stock before the announcement? That's called Insider Trading, and stock holders can sue them for it.

We can only hope this CEO suddenly develops an interest in cost-effective deep sea tourism and decides to test his new prototypes himself.

@ultimamage3

11 ай бұрын

Damn, too soon XDDDD

@bruhhunter8258

11 ай бұрын

@@ultimamage3 Not in this case.

@lordasian8476

11 ай бұрын

So you want him to die ?

@Ragnarok540

11 ай бұрын

​​@@lordasian8476just to suffer a quick implosion, nothing painful.

@seliamila1005

11 ай бұрын

​@@Ragnarok540fish food 😂

Absolutely floored that the response to "Will you charge for pirated installs" isn't no, but instead "let us know if you're affected by piracy and we'll work something out". Every game no matter how popular is going to have a percentage of pirated installs unless they have some hefty DRM.

@justinwhite2725

11 ай бұрын

No. It was "yes, but feel free to send us feedback."

@Oshroth

11 ай бұрын

I remember years ago World of Goo devs put out an article where they estimated that they had a roughly 90% piracy rate based on number of copies sold vs analytics, etc.

@andrewcurlutu6422

11 ай бұрын

Doesn't matter WHAT DRM a company uses. It will eventually be cracked. Using unstable DRM is what tends to get companies into trouble time and time again.

@elbuhdai605

11 ай бұрын

Slight correction. Every single game is going to be pirated regardless of the DRM they have in place. All DRM does is punish paying customers because all DRM measures can be breached.

@andrewcurlutu6422

11 ай бұрын

@@elbuhdai605True to a point. However, Steam's and GOG's ease of finding games and running them has done something to obviate that. It's things like Origin's awful buggy launcher that annoy people enough to pirate in some cases.

It would seem to me that a developer or group of developers could make a legal argument for fraud if Unity refused to be transparent with how they count installs. An argument could be made that Unity should have to provide an invoice with evidence for each and every install before billing the developer. Then again, I'm not a lawyer, but that seems like common sense.

The CEO selling shares before this joke of an announcement qualifies as insider trading in the USA and is a form of prohibited market manipulation. This should be reported to the SEC if Unity is incorporated within the USA

That last bit is especially chilling. They knew what they were doing was against the rules, and silently rewrote them the night before. The only thing they could do now to possibly save any future for the company would be not just an immediate backtrack, but a public sacking of Richitiello with no golden parachute. Without that, they're screwed.

@AnDOnlineify

11 ай бұрын

I fucking wish he had no golden parachute. Unfortunately, many CEOs have on contract to have a golden parachute when leaving a company and he probably has one as well.

@danthonygregory4157

11 ай бұрын

​@@AnDOnlineify Should it be the time to bring the tar and feathers?

@AskMeWhyYoureStupid

11 ай бұрын

Bothersome , sure , messed up , absolutely. Chilling ? I don't think so doesn't fit here . Nothing really terrifying about their act , nor unnerving, sure it's screwed up , but that's not chilling . Thats just corporation being corporations . Nothing scary about it.

@maxmikester8185

11 ай бұрын

Considering what they are doing is kind of criminal, what with insider trading among other things, I’m sure that golden parachute is null and void.

@Blodhelm

11 ай бұрын

@@AskMeWhyYoureStupid Chilling for people who made games in Unity and now have to worry about Unity charging them for installs years later.

Congratulations to Riccitiello for inventing a new form of piracy that makes developers ACTUALLY LOSE money when someone pirates a game 😂🎉

@ael371

11 ай бұрын

ähm , not how that works. been a pirate for almost 15 years by now. That detection stuff runs over a api that is build into unity platforms aka gaming platforms that sell unity games.that would include steam ,epic, gog and whatever else there is. If you pirate a game its already set to think that you own it officaly by simulating certain files it will read out from the platform (at least nowadays, back in the day it was files that were on the cd/dvd disk). Thats also why epic cracks and steam cracks are two complety different kind of shoes , while gog simply dosent have DRM. Unity would have no way of tracking piratet installs of their game.

@5th_Vertex

11 ай бұрын

they can make the "viruses"/bots that reinstall.. that smells like big scam and very wrong,, total bs,

@augustday9483

11 ай бұрын

>pirate game >write a script that reinstalls it 1000 times >developers lose hundreds of dollars The memes are real.

@johnjohnson9073

11 ай бұрын

Fuckers weren't supposed to make that one greentext a reality

@lk5388

11 ай бұрын

​@@augustday9483ill do that with any ea or activision game😂😂😂

Every single time I hear that clip the throne room theme is playing! Props to whomever created the original clip.

WHY IS ANYONE SURPRISED? Hes literally almost 70 years old and a career tech executive. His brain can ONLY comprehend anti-consumer business decisions and paychecks.

It continues to amaze me that Unity really thought that any decent financial department would EVER sign off on a "trust me bro" invoice. Every finance department I've ever been in has been very picky about details and a "Lol we have no way of proving these numbers" approach is going to cause them to tell you to go away very quickly and rather impolitely too.

@auraaetherbladesigma6939

11 ай бұрын

As there would be metaphorical corpses of Suits as a result. 🖕😂

@Bethgael

11 ай бұрын

Oh, they know. /tin foil hat/ something something merger with known developer of trojans, sorry, ads, something something end user registry install trawling just like EA has used since their Origin app which I have always called the "orange trojan".

Let's not forget the fact the unity board of directors sold their shares before announcing this. You know, insider trading. No doubt they will also be buying the shares back on the cheap just before they announce the backpedal.

@pacmonster066

11 ай бұрын

While it is true the CEO sold about 2k shares a week or so before the announcement, the important context people who keep mentioning this seem to miss, the dude has over 300k shares in the company. He sold under 1% of his shares. Not exactly cutting and running. So while it's certainly suspicious, it's also not really the major deal people keep trying to push

@Fighter_Builder

11 ай бұрын

@@pacmonster066 He's also been steadily selling shares all year... Around 20,000 in total if I remember correctly.

@SharpShot501st

11 ай бұрын

@@pacmonster066 Apparently he's sold 50k shares over a year prior to this announcement. Now, 300k seems like a lot compared to 2k for only a week prior, but when you re-contextualize it to 50 over a year and not 2 over a week and pricing changes are planned way in advance... It starts to seem more like he was trying to hide what was about to happen. I could be wrong on this, but this is just what I've heard.

@majema007

11 ай бұрын

Insiders selling-off is a bearish indicator, but it's not like doing a share buyback has the opposite effect. By that logic, Meta's stock price wouldn't have dumped back in 2022 despite how they were spending $45 billion on stock buybacks.

@antiquecardboard

11 ай бұрын

@@pacmonster066 Thank you for this context.

It's just crazy companies would decide to choose people like this as the new ceo. Now that company is going to go bankrupt. You can't do business with someone you can't trust, even if the deal ends up being too good to be true, the trust is lost

This feel like the single most short-sighted decision I’ve ever seen. This make the product a risk, not a reward. No company will use an engine that can dry easily bankrupt them….

The worst part: Unity was already in a shaky finantial position before this (in part i guess because like 30% of profits go to pay stockholders like ricitiello) which is part of the reason why they announced this change, right now, even if they walk back this change, they have ruined their reputation and many devs will choose to use different engines

@toobig7150

11 ай бұрын

i saw devs saying that even if they backpedal, they will never use unity out of pure fear of this repeating in a smaller scale, unity its literally dead as a company

@gilroyscopa

11 ай бұрын

I feel bad for the devs who can't backpedal. Learning an engine is no small feat. They basically screwed over every unity-devs job prospects.

@elhazthorn918

11 ай бұрын

They actually said they "needed to make Unity profitable." I looked up what Riccitiello gets compensated each year. In 2022 alone, apparently his total compensation was around $11,000,000. Yeah. Don't you hate it when you're at home trying to do your finances, trying to cut costs? Gee, I should feed my kids less. I can't do without my gold leaf toilet paper.

@liandoaethend2403

11 ай бұрын

​@@elhazthorn918 as an average homed person, if its legal and morally okay i would fly there and hit him myself ngl

@testoftimegaming5219

11 ай бұрын

I wont touch unity ever again i might get half way though dev on a game and they implement some crazy shit like this

I don't know how it is in other countries, but in Poland, if the contractor changes the rules of contract or makes changes in the agreement documents, the other side is fully allegeable to break the contract, take all the assets that came with the contract (devices, tools, software, etc.) and leave the contractor without any fees. Such changes are also punished by Polish law under the Anti-Monopol and Consumer Protection Act.

@aralornwolf3140

11 ай бұрын

I wish more countries had those laws.

@mattvoelker241

11 ай бұрын

While its certainly nice to be able to do that, it means that all the time and effort that went into making the unity engine version is dumped and devs now have to learn a new engine AND port the game into the new one. They're betting on it not being worth the man-hours. There seems to be a lot of this happening lately, the unchecked contract changes i mean. Microsoft changed their Minecraft TOS without telling anyone earlier in the year as well. Now Unity is changing theirs and screw you if you dont like it.

I believe this must be stopped. Period. This kind of install fees can be applied to other development / programming tools as well, if this is legal. This means all apps could have the same issues - install bombing, forced installation, tracking, etc. And you don’t have any ways to change. Ultimately this will be charges to all end users.

The fact that the Unity CEO, and the CEO of the ad company (I do not care to look up their name) sold their Unity shares prior to the announcement, shows there was insider trading, which is MASSIVELY illegal.

The "same device" part is even worse than it seems. In order to know that you're installing on the same device, you need to collect data about the device and upload them to some Unity servers to be able to recognize it later. That breaks all kinds of privacy laws everywhere. Certainly GDPR and all the Consumer Privacy Acts in the US.

@lominero5

11 ай бұрын

Cookie?

@L16htW4rr10r

11 ай бұрын

​@@lominero5Cookie from what I remember is only for websites though. It might work on Steam since they have websites, but I personally never got the option to use cookie or not. And mobile phone app used API or something. In short, not all devices use the same tool to collect data. I can't imagine how they would collect data for consoles. It's out of my scope.

@LudwigVaanArthans

11 ай бұрын

​@@lominero5this won't fly for the scope of what they wanna do. What happens if you reinstall the OS and then reinstall the game?

@sirgregoryadams

11 ай бұрын

@@lominero5 Cookies can be deleted. Also, your "device" is never actually just one device. It's a collection of components that can individually change. So, what makes the device "the same"?

@gavinw77

11 ай бұрын

No, there is nothing wrong with collecting information about the installation, and the user. That is standard practice.

I find it funny that they say that this doesn't really affect 90% of their customers which means they just straight up stated that they are fully aware and simply don't care that they're screwing over the 10% of their customers this will severely impact. And to top that 100% of all the devs of all calibers completely oppose this affront against gaming.

@AConquerorsVendetta

11 ай бұрын

Why do you do percents backwards though

@Culebrunch

11 ай бұрын

Because I messed up and thought they went first?

@dudebruh8534

11 ай бұрын

It's ridicules' that their condemning those 10% but if you think about it it's even worse than that. If those 10% of developers are forced to take this tax then that will only push them towards pushing more scummy microtransactions in their games. This totally hurts the consumer as a whole.

@Alexanderrak

11 ай бұрын

I don't think it's 10% of their customers I mean if they end up taxing you for all old games deves made wouldn't that mean that all deves will be impacted in the end weather it's big or small+ that's without talking about unintentional install bombing or installing in variety of consoles with old games or current ones....damn Unity really screwed everyone over as this is really a huge damage no matter what happens next.

@ksl-988

11 ай бұрын

The 10% that it will effect most is up-and-coming devs with newly successful games.

Riticello - War Kotick - Death Howard - Pestilence Wonder who the fourth Horseman is? XD

Sadly this won't effect triple A games, but will highly impact the indie devs. Which there's a ton of great indie devs out there. I feel terrible for them. They will definitely be the heaviest effected. This is why there needs a be a huge crash. It's not longer about art anymore with triple A games. It's all heavily business invested I don't like epic but I hope they offer an alternative for these indie devs and give them tools to help them develop that unity has.

Just when you think John Riccitiello can't come up with a more slimey monetization scheme he completely shatters all expectations.

@Grogeous_Maximus

11 ай бұрын

The only way to be greedier is if WotC charges people per dice roll in their VTT. Gross.

@mikeha

11 ай бұрын

he's the poster boy of the stereotypical psychopath CEO who only cares about one thing : Money and making as much money as fast as he can, in perpetuity increasing profits every year

@Chromodar

11 ай бұрын

The concept of each sale being worth a variable amount for the seller depending on what the buyer decides to do with the product after purchase is legit insane.

@DeepSouthSimulations

11 ай бұрын

@@Chromodar Exactly. How do you manage your budget when you can't even calculate what you may owe Unity? And I don't see how it can possibly be legal for them to do this retroactively on existing titles like they were talking about?!

I can already smell the Microsoft lawsuits. They're not gonna accept those charges.

@lightingthief4482

11 ай бұрын

They aren't the only one. Just about every single company going have Unity's head on a pike. This is finna be fun to watch

@monkaWGiga

11 ай бұрын

Hearthstone uses Unity. I highly doubt Activision Blizzard are the kind of company to share profits from installs.

@kamildrews3517

11 ай бұрын

Same with Bandai Namco, whose Klonoa, Pac Man World and Katamari remasters are all done using Unity.

@theplaguedoctor3381

11 ай бұрын

not just microsoft, they are changing the TOS in a very visible way, they are sure to get a class action law suit because of that.

@CapnFlappyJaw42

11 ай бұрын

*laughs in Nintendo*

1) Upper management and the board told their staff about this, and the staff said this was a horrible idea. 2) They sold their stock in the company. 3) They announced the changes. Isn't that insider trading?

20:00 That's just purely idiotic. It's not just 10% of their customer base. It's the most successful indie customer base. They are basically sending a message to 90%, "You are off the hook while you are nobody. The moment you taste success, you're fucked." Who would go for that idiotic scheme?! I know I wouldn't.

The shareholders ought to sue him for insider trading. I for one, can't wait to see what kind of lunacy transpires with the data. My team at work reviews use cases for approved data sharing, and we have been laughing at what Unity claims they can track. "Trust us bro" usually equates to "We don't know how we're going to do that."

@zeening

11 ай бұрын

seriously, i thought it was hilarious they said "estimates of downloads" but you bet your ass they'll fight tootha nd nail for an EXACT dollar amount, but "estimated downloads" my ass

@JingIeFett

11 ай бұрын

One of the Unity employees on the main thread on the Unity forum actually mentioned that Unity doesn’t actually know 100% yet how they’ll be tracking it

@arrowghost

11 ай бұрын

The lawsuit will be gigantic for sure if it comes out, and I hope that EA CEO can be overthrown and get someone benevolent or even David Helgason to come back.

@Marc-gj9vx

11 ай бұрын

It wouldn't hold in court. He has been selling Unity stock for years and sold a lot more in 2022. He is also not buying back any so it's not really "trading". If you look at the board of directors, especially the ones tied to IronSource, they are the ones who sold a lot more shares than the ceo.

@edward3190

11 ай бұрын

He actually didn't sell much, it's like 1% of his share, but the rest of their leadership sold a lot more, Unity president sold 1/3 of her shares.

He and Bobby kotick are great examples of how awful these greedy ceos are Fun fact: Nintendos Ceo (Shuntaro Fuakawa) is paid 2.51$ mill a year. Bobby kotick is paid 155$ million in a year

@thomasedwardharrison2879

11 ай бұрын

When Nintendo was going down Iwata cut his salary twice so he won’t have to loose any employees. When Sega was facing bankruptcy, the chair gave up half a billion dollars and wave the fee off on his death bed to save the company. And then we have Bobby and that guy

@guilhermehank4938

11 ай бұрын

​@@thomasedwardharrison2879both are eastern companies, what did you expect?

@Walt_Xander94

11 ай бұрын

Considering Nintendo showing their true colors these days, changing $70 for games that are 7th Gen when it comes to hardware, theyre not any better. They just slowly pulled bs(since the Wii, actually) until nowadays, not do it all at once & double down like EA and the rest.

@mrbuttocks6772

11 ай бұрын

@@Walt_Xander94 Nintendo treats their _customers_ like shit, but they only treat their employees 'badly'.

@PropaneWP

11 ай бұрын

And for what? What could possibly be the motivation for making that kind of money? It's so pointless.

I see a lot of potential for some really heavy lawsuits here, from insider trading by the executives, to probably lawsuits under EU-Data protection laws. I hope those will hit em and hit em hard!

i did start a long time ago as indie with unity, still working professionally with it now, company does not know how to handle this, i even did classes teaching kids to make games with unity… this is all gone now! you said it, many said it; it doesn’t even matter if they do a full 180 on this! this is a breach of trust never seen before! just because the rich want get richer… why are we still having record inflation? does anybody know what inflation is? it simply is pure greed! and that disgusts me absolutely! while the main shareholder and ceo conveniently sells some shares just days short of the destructive announcement, there are even some unity employes defending the company and saying “well the company needs money to pay our salaries”!!!! is this crazy or what??? - how about the managment board stops their greed and lowers their payouts - especially the millions of annual bonus payments!! what the f is going on in this world nowadays?!

Unity: Don't worry we will charge Microsoft and Sony everytime someone installs your game on their subscription service. Sony and Microsoft after increasing the price of PS+ and Game Pass: 🤨🤨🤨 THAT'S CORPORATE GREED FOR YOU.

@fuckoffgoogle1657

11 ай бұрын

This. They knew in advance and planned the release before this news broke

@anttimaki8188

11 ай бұрын

Im pretty sure they will just give a finger to unity and dev. "Seems like You problem".

@WillowsPeak77

11 ай бұрын

@@anttimaki8188 True 🤣, I hope this will cause them to rollback the whole decision and not half-ass it, like when they announced "Don't worry this pricing model will only affect 10% of our devs".

@WillowsPeak77

11 ай бұрын

@@fuckoffgoogle1657 That's the really sad part. How do you annouce that at 2:30 AM in the morning. There really is no rest for the wicked.

A big part of the problem is that the people that run these companies are not gamers themselves. They do not care or do not want to know what gamers really want. All they see are the dollar signs. Before when you made a quality game that was 100% complete with no extra fees, you got your moneys worth and those companies were successful just doing that. Nowadays greed has gotten so bad that they do not even care that they look like idiots with bad reputations.

@AfutureV

11 ай бұрын

If anything, these changes incentivise creating games like that, full games with no extra ways of revenue. I see that as a good thing.

@corvus8638

11 ай бұрын

Eventually society will collapse due to this

@georgeelliott6877

11 ай бұрын

People are not paying microtransactions or playing AAA games! And that’s somehow the developers fault?! And systemically racist and blah blah blah? How many times and where have we heard of this irrelevance before?

@RiversJ

11 ай бұрын

They wouldn't need to be gamers, if they simply had some competence and weren't cartoon levels of greedy empty suits produced at MBA programs around the world would be enough. Humans in a word.

@st.altair4936

11 ай бұрын

That's why you use FOSS equivalents, which are community driven and developed by the same people that use them; the community.

As far as I can tell, none of these new Unity rules will be legal in the EU (which is where I live), so I'm not really concerned that these changes will ever be implemented over here, but I am of course very concerned about the repercussions of the obvious mismanagement happening at Unity, which might soon make the whole game engine completely irrelevant. This, by the way, will also affect the countless Unity asset creators that will probably see a huge drop in sales as a result of developers and studios abandoning Unity following this new policy. I really hope Blender will reboot their old Blender Game Engine project that looked very promising when they were still working on it. I would switch to Blender in a heart beat if they would have a competing game engine!

I’m not an expert, but this sounds like the shareholders and the CEO may have committed insider trading.

Astounding that Unity managed to make a bassackwards change that literally forced developers of all stripes into the position of DREADING their own game’s SUCCESS & not just its failure.

@buttjunkie7956

11 ай бұрын

This really only applies to high volume, low margin games, where the 20c per install (realistically, 15c) will consume a large portion of, or all of their profit. Higher margin games (e.g. mid-priced to high end pc and console games) are more concerned with the violation of Terms, and the 'Trust me bro'.

@Weaver_Games

11 ай бұрын

@@buttjunkie7956 It's really the trust me bro part that is concerning. If you're a solo indie the terms aren't too bad but you have no idea what Unity will try to pull in the future and also no idea how accurately they can actually measure installs.

@MrSqurk

11 ай бұрын

@@buttjunkie7956there are also cases where free games will be royally fucked.

@buttjunkie7956

11 ай бұрын

@@Weaver_Games I agree, I'm a solo dev that likely won't reached the 1M installs threshold, so I'll probably be unaffected by the fee structure, but the willingness to violate old Terms and not provide a fair and transparent method of measuring fees is beyond concerning.

@buttjunkie7956

11 ай бұрын

@@MrSqurk Yeah, that's what I mean by high volume low margin games (not just F2P, but also cheap games).

What is most frustrating is the fact there are many like this guy. One just said we need more unemployment because workers are getting arrogant. This wont change until we elminate these people from positions of authority and power.

@oprime

11 ай бұрын

No, what we need to do is make companies STOP being run by stockholders/shareholders and letting them put CEO's in charge that are Yes-Monkeys to their evil ways. Those people are the ones that force them to release buggy games before they're polished to where they'd be good games and stable as a rock. By releasing early they get more money returns rather than waiting for the game to be good enough to become popular and make even better returns.(Baldur's Gate 3 popularity is proof that it can be done.)

@RichSmithson

11 ай бұрын

All i hear from rich Westerners now is. 1) We need higher unemployment to lower wages again and young people aren’t working hard enough (they actually want this in the middle of a recession) 2) We need record levels of immigration or the housing market is going to dump. Not sure why anyone would want to continue propping up a system that is imploding.

@Silentmissile

11 ай бұрын

​@@oprimeyup

@hippopotatomoose

11 ай бұрын

What???? Are you suggesting socialism???? Oh no!!!

@filovirus1

11 ай бұрын

it would be better if they stopped breathing.

I'm pretty sure someone would create a bot for set up virtual PCs on a server or anything and spam install games. If I'm not mistaken here virtual PCs would count as different platforms. And that actually could kill a small to medium self puplishing dev team. I'm not an expert on this one since I only work with hardware and not any software so correct me if I'm wrong but that's simply just to scary.

I honestly feel for the developers who are near completion on their respected games, just to hear the news and have to start all over on a different engine, unless changes are made I really don't see anyone using Unity besides big named companies.

God the clip of Riccitiello talking with evil music in the background is such a classic. Amazing how fucking timeless it turned out to be after all these years.

@JingIeFett

11 ай бұрын

Not only that, he was fired/resigned from EA in 2013 for “poor financial performance”. And here we are 10 years later…

@jacehackworth6413

11 ай бұрын

@@JingIeFettdespite knowing the meritocracy is a myth and it’s totally possible to fail upwards, I hope this absolutely KILLS this dudes career. These greedy assholes look out for each other but it has to get to a point where people realize this guy will not make them money. He poisons the well with his presence.

@CoolManCoolMan123

11 ай бұрын

​@@JingIeFetthow did he even get in Unity if EA was too embarrassed by him?

@devandrasimanjuntak1646

11 ай бұрын

@@CoolManCoolMan123 I think that should be a sign of how screwed the gaming industry is today 😔

@JingIeFett

11 ай бұрын

@@CoolManCoolMan123 I asked myself the same thing 9 years ago

How the HECK did Unity decide to even hire that guy? Who does that? Did he blackmail them? Are their families okay?

@jawstrock2215

11 ай бұрын

That's the problem with publicly shared companies. You always end up with gougers on top.

@user-sm4yk5ig8x

11 ай бұрын

Money

@HumanPerson_final

11 ай бұрын

He's got experience and he's driven by profits. Granted, those profits are short-term and his experience is just in being terrible, but they don't look that deeply.

@vespenegas261

11 ай бұрын

@@user-sm4yk5ig8x Looks like they will not have any very soon.

@Kirgoss

11 ай бұрын

It's not just him. A CEO can't simply do something like that by himself, at least not easily. The entire board of directors is behind this decision. The fact that these people have been selling company shares beforehand even suggests that they might be destroying their own company deliberately.

The fact that the bosses sold some of their shares may be a scheme to sell at 100 and rebuy them at 10.

@madjack420

11 ай бұрын

Would anyone logically purchase the shares at this exorbitant price knowing what is happening right now and how the prices will just plummet?

@snakeshepard9761

11 ай бұрын

@@madjack420 they will plummet, rebuy at low cost and step back from all these dumb decision to make them increase in value again. Mine was just a thought, maybe the other higher ups simply knew what was going to happen and knew shit was going to go down.