Maybe the real first gay character was the friends we made along the way

@Me-vn3gz

2 жыл бұрын

i love your videos 🥺

@whatalsaid

2 жыл бұрын

THIS!!!!

@a1t3rmusic

2 жыл бұрын

omg i love your channel soo much😭❤❤

@zenith_zenith

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao

@Tree_Forest

2 жыл бұрын

No Just no Your wrong because: Luz and Amity from Owl House is the BEST representation in Disney history so far A lesbian teenage couple •They have kissed •They official are dating •They went on a date together •They both called each other girlfriend multiple times •They had anxiety about the other one wanting to break up with them... It is unmatched in any Disney show At least imo

the background lesbians are always my favorite part because even though they have no part in the plot and they’re only there for seconds, my dad would be absolutely infuriated that the gay agenda was being shoved in his face

@thisisyouralterlife3785

2 жыл бұрын

I seek the gay agenda and I NEVER notice the background lesbians, so how is your dad so observant to the gays lmao

@zozophonchkey5300

2 жыл бұрын

WHY IS THIS COMMENT SO ACCURATE-

@joshm977

2 жыл бұрын

@@thisisyouralterlife3785 he usually just gets mad when he sees articles or something about it (more specifically when he saw the one from star wars)

@jamisonbriggs8067

2 жыл бұрын

@@thisisyouralterlife3785 I know right I didn’t even notice the cop from onward saying she has a girlfriend I only know she’s gay because of an article.

@Music_Engineering

2 жыл бұрын

Why does your dad get angry by seeing non-het representation?

This video really showed me just how much our representation has evolved. We’ve gone from fabulous villains to unmemorable background characters. So progressive.

@GlowingGreenstar91

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@islandeatssand684

2 жыл бұрын

If it's a choice between something like Ursula or background character, I'd honestly prefer Ursula

@Alice-gr1kb

2 жыл бұрын

@@islandeatssand684 same tbh

@lv4519

2 жыл бұрын

Just goes to show that gay ppl can be as boring and forgettable like the straights can, wErE all ThE sAmE

@thunderbird3304

2 жыл бұрын

@@lv4519 True equality, everyone!

I for one am really uncertain whether I prefer the nuance of background lesbians in Finding Dory, the complexity of background lesbians in Toy Story, or the strength of background lesbians in Star Wars. They were so brave to include such diverse and complex representation.

@oaxtec765

2 жыл бұрын

They really do explore the diversity of the lgbtq+ community, truly eye opening

@Genitianadinarica

2 жыл бұрын

Hush, if they learn that there are letters beyond L and G, their heads will probably explode and then what.

@Lisa_Flowers

2 жыл бұрын

Background Lesbians honestly sounds like a dope band name

@sorel7342

2 жыл бұрын

I’m so inspired maybe one day I’ll be a background lesbian 🤞

@konnichibeaucoup4089

2 жыл бұрын

i am sCREECHING

THE SHADE THIS IS INCREDIBLE

@rosserv123vigg9

2 жыл бұрын

Alexa Donne OH MYYY

@pagano60

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, it's very hot out today, but Rowan's spot of shade gave me a cool place to lie down.

@biandanxious3438

2 жыл бұрын

LMAO the SHADE

@happyghostcrew

2 жыл бұрын

This is a surprise, hello there :)

@auldthymer

2 жыл бұрын

Remind me to never anger Rowan

the line "if there's one thing we know about these lesbian mums, it's that they have a child" made me nearly swallow my chewing gum laughing

@otakumangastudios3617

2 жыл бұрын

I just want to point something out, as a kid, I never once got the idea that any of these villains were queer coded, to me that seems a bit implied. There's nothing gay about being fabulous, in fact isn't that stereotyping of LGBT and therefore offensive? I don't think they were thinking any of that, in fact Ursula's style for example, just seems very much to me and always seemed to me like just old lady with a lot of cats style, not drag queen or whatever.

@needsanewbrain

2 жыл бұрын

@@otakumangastudios3617 fictional characters are not real people. if you were to assume a real person is gay because of a set of stereotypes, then yes, that wouldn't be great, but when discussing fictional characters, creators often use certain tropes as shorthand to mean certain things, and so audiences noticing those tropes isn't stereotyping on our part, it's just media analysis. and ursula in particular was explicitly based on the drag queen divine, so her more typically flamboyant traits are specifically based on those of a real gay man.

@otakumangastudios3617

2 жыл бұрын

@@needsanewbrain I'm sorry, you seem offended by my comment? I have just watched the liberal side transform from intending to take away stereotypes, to defining themselves by mere stereotypes. I find it really sad as a liberal myself, as everyone's dividing themselves, it's not the liberalism I grew up with or remember. Yes, I know, liberalism was very imperfect in the 90s, very much so, it was flawed and so, so many ways, but I don't like the direction it's taking here either. I get what you are saying, but to me you're making the exact same argument that conservatives make when there is an explicitly sexist or misogynistic scene in a movie or TV show, they say it's just fictional, and it doesn't affect reality. Please, don't sound like those people, they don't have a valid point. About ursula, regardless of whether she's based off of that or not, which I had no idea, it seems like the whole idea is how it affects children and its viewers in general, and my first thought was just old lady who has cats and too much time on her hands kind of person About scar, he never seem to even remotely gay to me, he was just, scar. He was just a high level testosterone lion. Yes, in the wild, lions with darker hair and fur and main have higher amounts of testosterone, so that's why I labeled him that way. I'm still really confused on how these characters tie in with queer coding? Also I noticed people started saying that the joker was somehow queer-coated? I thought we shouldn't stereotype LGBT people, and the whole reason why we want representation and properly so is to end stereotypes, so you're really fighting against your own argument, and as someone who truly believes in progression of society, I think we should stop finding ways things are queer coded, and again, if you really truly want to find LGBT representation properly somewhere, please look no further than actually anime itself, I know everyone thinks it's all homophobic or whatever, I have honestly not seen anything in anime that is particularly homophobic, I don't find it homophobic if a straight character is grossed out by having relations with someone of the same gender, because to me that just seems like a natural response, and that's what I'm assuming people are accusing anime of somehow being homophobic?? I really don't know, that's my guess when I thought about it or put it into consideration. Again, I'm still really really dumbfounded how any of these Disney films represent queer people badly, they don't seem queer at all to me, I only see a character as queer if it's at all mentioned.

@hrishiv27

2 жыл бұрын

@@otakumangastudios3617 That’s really neat way of saying you don’t have the critical thinking skills to analyse subtext in media. At least you are self-aware about your failings when it comes to film criticism.

@elieli2893

2 жыл бұрын

@@otakumangastudios3617 "I don't find it homophobic if a straight character is grossed out by having relations with the same gender because to me it seems like a natural response" - this is... the actual problem with mainstream anime regarding to this topic. "Grossed out" shouldn't be the response, because yes, that is homophobia. Mind you, of course it is okay for a straight character to deny advances from a gay character, obviously! But it shouldn't be out of "you're gross!" unless the character in question is portrayed as an actually gross person, regardless of their sexuality. To me, a natural response would be "sorry dude, I'm not interested" or something of that nature. Just calmly stating it is enough. Hell, you can even make it awkward if you wish, but the way many anime handle it is "ugh, gross,what's wrong with you!" which I can't say is exactly ideal. Also, heavy-handedly coding the queer characters as perverts, is not great. On the other hand, there are genres with a variety of queer characters, some of which are even heartfelt and definitely more and better representation than in similar western media, but it doesn't change how the most popular mainstream anime tend to handle things.

Please talk about the Owl House, I'm begging you, Rowan. It's actually worth watching and has bisexual, lesbian, and nonbinary rep (NOT A SHAPE-SHIFTER). The main characters say the word "girlfriend" multiple times. The show is fantastic and absolutely a must-watch for anyone looking for good representation in media.

@greadams1858

2 жыл бұрын

It was also written by a member of the lgbtq+ community and isn't dissapointing whatsoever

@FrogCities

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention the captioning errors erasing Raine’s gender 💔

@billiemss5817

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, and it started in the first season, that's progress for cartoons. .

@Baby_Dinosaur323

2 жыл бұрын

YESSSSS. Disney is SPINELESS so when I tell you I was *floored* at the CANON PAIRING- one of my favorite series of all time

@maddieatkinson1527

2 жыл бұрын

YES its so good !!!!

When my mum asked what I was watching, she was genuinely confused. "What gay characters are in disney?" I think that says it all

@miche8868

2 жыл бұрын

+

@cattrickie

2 жыл бұрын

there's not a single actual confirmed lgbtq character, except in of course owl house because dana terrance is a legend

@dragonispurple6075

2 жыл бұрын

@@cattrickie and *technically* the cops in gravity falls, except disney wouldn't allow any scenes of it, which sucks tbh

@iwakeupandboomimarat

2 жыл бұрын

@@cattrickie even then that's a tv show, when you're looking at their cinematic stuff its just hoardes of background lesbians

@smugsnivy5036

2 жыл бұрын

@@cattrickie I heard that Perry the platypus is asexual but it's not going to stop anyone in making Perry X Doof art...

its a shame that alberto and luca couldn’t attend. they were missed, but not forgotten.

@elinewllms

2 жыл бұрын

+

@gabylix71_52

2 жыл бұрын

Gurl JAJA YES

@DillonExner

2 жыл бұрын

They, like Cyrus, were received too well by audiences.

@christianwise637

2 жыл бұрын

@@DillonExner I think it's also because Disney didn't advertise them as "the first gay character in a Disney film! (Please applaud us for doing the bare minimum)"

@downhill2k013

2 жыл бұрын

The only true gay characters beloved by gay people in a story reflecting a gay coming of age story... technically straight

“If there’s one thing I know Mickey, it’s the long and loving relationship gays have with the police” Fire!!!! This entire thing was stunning!

@carolinedixon4257

2 жыл бұрын

THIS WAS SUCH A BANGING LINE JSNDNSNSJ

@Torthrodhel

2 жыл бұрын

I had to pause the video and clap for that one.

@really-quite-exhausted

Жыл бұрын

I started cackling this is brilliant

I’m saddened that Timon and Pumba did not qualify for these olympics. I thought they were a-shooing.

@elinewllms

2 жыл бұрын

+

@rosiebrie

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with this sentiment. Was also hoping for a Raya and Namaari mention.

@gwencere9383

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately they didn't have the social media hype from Disney, but I'm sure we'll see them next Olympics!

@mele6406

2 жыл бұрын

@@rosiebrie I was hoping Naamari, Raya, Timon, Pumba, Lucas Grabeel (Sharpei's brother in High School musical), Luca and Alberto were all included.

@rosiebrie

2 жыл бұрын

@@mele6406 yeah. I was also wondering if there'd be an Elsa and Honeymaren mention, just cuz I remember there was a bit of a social media stir after Frozen II released, about speculation on whether Honey was originally meant to be Elsa's girlfriend because of the #giveelsaagirlfriend movement.

Can't believe Disney chose LeFou for their "rep" in the remake when Lumiere and Cogsworth were Right There acting like an old married couple in the original.

@rosiebrie

2 жыл бұрын

yknow what... on the topic of old married couples... Baloo and Bagheera also gave me Vibes.

@elieli2893

2 жыл бұрын

@@rosiebrie How 'bout Jumba and Pleakley from Lilo and Stitch? 🤔

@rosiebrie

2 жыл бұрын

@@elieli2893 Yes yes, them too!

@genericname2747

2 жыл бұрын

It wouldn't work, since Lumiere flirts with women. Disney doesn't have the guts to make Lumiere bi.

@genericname2747

2 жыл бұрын

@@rosiebrie "You wouldn't marry a panther, would you Baloo?" "Dunno. Come to think of it, no panthers ever asked" -a real line from Jungle book

I see why Shang didn't meet the requirements, but still, bisexual representation while also being lied to and then literally removed from the live action version seems like it deserves some representation

@MissMoontree

2 жыл бұрын

I want my hot bi Chinese captain :(

@mjmage33

2 жыл бұрын

@@MissMoontree I mean, sure, who wouldn't? Though genderfluid Mulan might also not go amiss.

@eerimation1759

2 жыл бұрын

Actually I don't thing Shang was intended to be bi, he only showed romantic interest in Mulan when she was Mulan, and he showed a respect to her in disguise. But sure he could might as well be bi I guess.

@turner15

2 жыл бұрын

@eerimation I don’t think Shang was intended to be bi either, but I do think he is ultimately bi. You say he only showed romantically feelings to Mulan when she was Mulan, and only respect to her disguise, but that gives him an EXTREMELY small amount of time to develop feelings for her. After finding out she was a woman, Shang was mad at her for sneaking into the army and lying, which eats into the time he could develop attraction to her as a woman. They’re not really together again until they’re saving the emperor, which happens in the course of a single night. Then he shows explicit interest in her while being a woman. So if we go with “Shang only showed romantic interest when she was a woman”, that means he fell in love with her in like an hour? Meanwhile, if Shang was developing feelings while she was still a man, then his feelings just make more sense. Once again, I think this was mostly an accident. I don’t think the moviemakers realized that if they waited to the very end of the movie to reveal who she really was, and made most of the time Shang and her spent together bonding when she was a guy, it kind of implies that their romantic relationship was being built while Shang THOUGHT she was a guy. But that’s still ultimately what they did so 🤷🏾‍♀️.

@eerimation1759

2 жыл бұрын

@@turner15Eh, you win some you lose some I guess

I just want to say that Disney has given me so much as a lesbian! Everytime I feel alone and like I never fit in and I’m not important, I think about the several one-second-no-name-no-story-background-maybe-lesbians and I feel so much better.

@MissMoontree

2 жыл бұрын

Watch House of the Owl, you won't regret it.

@sagedraws1000

2 жыл бұрын

The owl house is great though

@ishiiiedits

2 жыл бұрын

The Owl House has great sapphics(I’m not kidding, a Disney show actually let an lgbt+ couple pass). Luz(the main character) is Bi and Amity(Luz’s girlfriend) is a Lesbian

@cometaHavoc

2 жыл бұрын

@@ishiiiedits such an epic achievement. I hope the last season lasts a while

"We would like to express our allyship for the LGBTQIA+ community, so long as we don't have to actually do anything and can easily excise representation that might reduce our monopoly control of the market. Look, we put a rainbow in the corner!"

@inventions178

2 жыл бұрын

I mean it's either them adding clear LGBTQIA+ representation and basically loosing a shit ton of renvue, which isn't good at the moment. Or letting them gradually add representation in, in their own way.

@Minceraft69

2 жыл бұрын

@@inventions178 Disney is a multi billion dollar company, it's not like they can't afford to lose a bit a of revenue from a mainstream movie where a character is explicitly stated to be LGBTQ. They would still make millions from it - saying that they should be able to add representation 'in their own way' isn't the best argument imo

That quote from Artie's actor gives off the vibe it was said while Mickey Mouse was watching from a rooftop with a sniper ready.

@Dandidoodles

2 жыл бұрын

I watched Cruella and as soon as I saw the charecter I knew disney was going say this was gay representation 💀 because gender presentation and sexuality is the same thing obviously 🙄

@GlowingGreenstar91

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@Blirre

2 жыл бұрын

I thought he answered perfectly. Disney would like us to think it's representation but the actor's answer conveyed that he played him as gay but it's not confirmed in any way so it's nothing really

Next year there should be a new category called "omg we absolutely did not intend to make these characters queer but oh god we accidentally made them super queer didnt we so now we are majorly backtracking" featuring classics like Shang and Mulan from Mulan, Luca and Alberto from Luca, and ofcourse Riley from Inside Out!

@rzek192

2 жыл бұрын

this is genius

@pravilodesne

2 жыл бұрын

Why riley?

@marg4581

2 жыл бұрын

@@pravilodesne I think they're referring to the fact that Riley has her anthropomorphic emotions in different genders (female and male representations) despite the fact her parent's align with their genders, which made people think that she's confused/questioning her gender or is nonbinary

@GaraksApprentice

2 жыл бұрын

@@pravilodesne Out of all the people whose heads we get to see inside in the film, Riley is the *only* one with an obvious mix of male and female emotions. Even the other kids her age all have same-gender emotions.

@caitie226

2 жыл бұрын

@@marg4581 I mean this is an excellent take. Thanks Disney!

When I saw jungle cruise, the kid behind me asked his mum what the 'coming out' scene meant and she said that he fell in love with a woman his family disapproves of. The scene was so easy to misinterpret especially for kids. THIS IS NOT REPRESENTATION DISNEY

@nomisunrider6472

2 жыл бұрын

I propose a new litmus test: if this scene would be allowed under the Hays Code, that counts as negative representation.

@gabrielmoravargas4728

2 жыл бұрын

@Rach that ain't even the point...

@lunawolfheart336

2 жыл бұрын

I'm queer as fuck and I misinterpreted it that way.

@NukkuiskoHyvinVaiPois

2 жыл бұрын

@@lunawolfheart336 Same. Had no idea before this video, I tought he was just a straight snob comic relief. I honestly was confused why he even existed, I concluded he's just there to make the (straight white) female lead look better. Which tells you a lot about what Disney thinks is gays' place in this world.

@quirkyblackenby

2 жыл бұрын

@Rach yeah but if it was explicit she couldn’t lie about it.

Special mention to Luca and Alberto, the almost-gay-but-definitely-not-gay sea monsters! As always, they are thrilled to be left open to interpretation. It has been confirmed, however, that their Vespa only shown in the final scenes is gay.

@lilliroemhild4242

2 жыл бұрын

And of course mulan and Shang from Mulan, as well as Riley from inside out, from the "shit we made these characters straight but they are sooooo queer" category but of course it always "DepENds oN Wh0 You AsK"

@OrionJA

2 жыл бұрын

They even get their own background lesbians

the actual first gay disney character is cyrus goodman, he’s one of three main characters in the show he’s in, has crushes on multiple guys, comes out to different people at least three times that i can remember, gets together with a guy at the end, and actually says the word gay like a bunch of times. and this is in a show for middle schoolers, unlike the high school musical show which has a gay couple but still says shit like “he watches drag race canada” instead of just saying gay. andi mack was a great show

@LGhost-wo8hf

2 жыл бұрын

Omg yes thanks for saying this, as a baby gay Cyrus meant so much to me

@choerim8986

2 жыл бұрын

yes to all of that, just wanna add that hsmtmts does use the word "gay" at least once, "straight" also makes an appearance

@gleefulpebble

2 жыл бұрын

@@choerim8986 yeah they do say it once, but it’s as a joke, like if i remember right someone’s telling carlos to be quiet and he’s like “i’m mexican and gay this is my quiet” or something like that, when it’s time to use it in a context that isn’t a joke it suddenly becomes a bad word. this isn’t to knock the show or anything it’s just weird to me that a show aimed to a younger audience than this on disney channel 4 years earlier was better about actually saying the word than hsmtmts, that’s all

@apollosnightmare

2 жыл бұрын

@@gleefulpebble i think he was jewish but also the end scene 😩

@choerim8986

2 жыл бұрын

@@gleefulpebble yeah I see what you mean, it never stood out to me much because the gayness is so obvious and explicit that saying the word doesn't feel like a big difference, but I definitely understand where you're coming from

LOL personally I think the gayest scene for LeFou was actually when his Hot Straight Friend Gaston manipulates him using LeFou's attraction and feelings for him

@boudicaastorm4540

2 жыл бұрын

Oh LeFou is totally in love with Gaston, there's no way he's not.

I know some will disagree, but since we're including Marvel I'd say Loki & Sylvie belong on this list. They may be main characters, but Loki's gender identity is only ever mentioned in what amounts to an Easter Egg that I honestly would not have noticed if the internet hadn't pointed it out. And the scene where they verbalize their bi/pansexuality doesn't actually use any identifiers in the dialogue, is never referenced again, and was clearly shot in a way that would make it easy to remove for homophobic markets.

@Lisa_Flowers

2 жыл бұрын

FAT YES

@MeTalkPrettyOneDay

2 жыл бұрын

I loved the show, but the cop out of making everything as cis/straight passing as possible was exhausting at best.

@Nerd704

2 жыл бұрын

​@@MeTalkPrettyOneDay Everything was setup for it to be so much better than it actually was. Female loki not actually being Loki at all and being entirely an entirely cis woman. Loki's single "bit of both" line that's easily removable and then them rushing into a straight self-cest relationship. That the show romanticizes repeatedly. But I think the reason Loki didn't qualify is that his moment happens in a tv show rather than a movie.

@hope3290

2 жыл бұрын

@@MeTalkPrettyOneDay For real. And the fact that the other Loki variants were somehow surprised a female presenting Loki could exist even thought they're supposed to be gender fluid just didn't sit right with me. It really made it feel like they were using the gender fluid identity for diversity brownie points.

@beatm6948

2 жыл бұрын

Also an utterly ridiculous easter egg, considering it wasnt even done properly. Assuming they made a mistake, and meant gender rather than sex, its a mistake, in a huge show, and most definitely the easter egg is purposely there, so, like, do it right. Assuming they meant sex, it still makes no sense. It would be a reference to his shapeshifting ability. But that makes no sense because his height and eye color are left stagnant. WHAT Also in general has Sylvie being the "lady loki", which couldve been really cool, like "most lokis are genderfluid, but THIS Loki isnt", but no, its not like that, and as far as I can tell, they make all Lokis except Sylvie be male, just from context clues and such. They dont reference gender fluidity, and its just such a missed opportunity for something that could've been amazing.

“In the beginning the First Gay Disney Character appearance was spaced by twenty-four weeks, then twelve, then six, then every two weeks. The last one, in Jungle Cruise, was a week. In four days, we could be seeing the First Gay Disney Character every eight hours until they are coming every four minutes.”

@Molly-ml1wn

2 жыл бұрын

Numbers do not lie. Politics, poetry, promises, these are lies. Numbers are the closest we get to the handwriting of Walt Sr.

@miquelescribanoivars5049

2 жыл бұрын

The Gay Breach.

@tigersinlondon2152

2 жыл бұрын

OKAY THIS ONE GOT ME xD in honour of the gays we could have had in pacific rim if only hollywood was ready to make mako mori a lesbian and newt & hermann a married couple.

The Owl House is one of the only Disney shows I’ve seen with actual good LGBTQ+ representation. They have canon bisexual main protagonist and a canon sapphic relationship. I really applaud Dana for making sure there is literally no chance anyone could say “Oh it’s just Gals being pals” with the main couple calling each other Girlfriends

@miquelescribanoivars5049

2 жыл бұрын

And the mouse is canning it as fast as possible.

@sunlitsonata6853

2 жыл бұрын

@@miquelescribanoivars5049 True, though there is recent precedent of Disney cutting several shows of theirs short without the showrunners expecting it (ex. DuckTales, Star Vs, Penn Zero), but I'm hopeful that the actual legacy of Lumity in the longrun will do more than any halfassed non-character mentioned in the video.

@abigailw7146

2 жыл бұрын

also raine who uses they/them!!

@kaiyodei

2 жыл бұрын

how do we make a QPR in a show where it will be gross to headcanon the characters as lovers?

“Ursula was the first of the Renaissance queer coded villains” I WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS RATIGAN ERASURE

@tell-talehearts4462

2 жыл бұрын

YES! He had a thing for Basil and you cannot tell me otherwise.

@voidify3

2 жыл бұрын

@@tell-talehearts4462 as a great video essayist once said, they’re such ex boyfriends

@kayhaven4710

2 жыл бұрын

@@voidify3 holy shit I need to watch THAT video! Do you remember the title or the channel that produced it?

@voidify3

2 жыл бұрын

@@kayhaven4710 it’s just a Lindsay ellis quote a throwaway line from “are Disney villains going extinct”

@kayhaven4710

2 жыл бұрын

@@voidify3 thank you! Lindsey Ellis!

"Because the term 'first' in all other context has a very singular meaning" "It Does" Going for the throat there ig

"Chaotic Rowan Unhinged Lesbian Cinematic Univese" I'm so here for that yes

@tatianamelendez490

2 жыл бұрын

Make way for the CRULCU!🤣🤣

@grutarg2938

2 жыл бұрын

Her superpower is X-Ray vision that sees right through the Disney smokescreen of "inclusivity"

This was a ton of fun. Disney really does seem to produce endless quantities of what should be a finite thing.

@eoincampbell1584

2 жыл бұрын

And in turn take endless quantities of actually finite resources to do so.

@Tree_Forest

2 жыл бұрын

But we can still appreciate the best of the best Luz and Amity from Owl House is the BEST representation in Disney history so far A lesbian teenage couple •They have kissed •They officially are dating •They went on a date together •They both called each other girlfriend multiple times •They had anxiety about the other one wanting to break up with them... It is unmatched in any Disney show At least imo

@Itz.masonfox

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tree_Forest can we technically count Love, Victor? The basic rep in that show is good. Mainly on the religious parents side of things. But the finale of season 2 looked like we getting bi/lesbian rep I-😌

@XSaffie_LoveX

2 жыл бұрын

Then they cancelled it >: ( so annoyed about that.

I am here for the chaotic “in my defence I was left without adult supervision” Rowan Universe!

5:00 now with the owl house, we've got the creator responding to "there is no heterosexual explanation for this scene" with "there really isn't"

it’s the way li shang somehow gives more representation for me than any of disney’s actual ‘gay characters’ 😭

@tavrosnitram1529

2 жыл бұрын

you should check out The Owl House for actual legit in your face proper gay characters, main characters at that! they call each other girlfriends and everything

I feel so represented as a background lesbian. 💕

This was incredible!!!

@elinewllms

2 жыл бұрын

+

"Almost certainly, not the last first disney gay character" 🔥

Shoutout to Nathan Lane calling Timon and Pumbaa gay for the past 27 years and Billy Eichner for ripping him off

It’s a crying shame Professor Ratigan was not able to attend this ceremony

@danaeckert6824

2 жыл бұрын

Furry discrimination, I guess?

@armoredanteater609

2 жыл бұрын

Is he disney?

@queerlydeparted7650

2 жыл бұрын

@@armoredanteater609 yes! The great mouse detective

@genericname2747

2 жыл бұрын

oh there is NO way he's straight.

@possums154

2 жыл бұрын

This is Ratigan erasure))

This just makes me wish that Disney didn’t try at all because it’s obvious all of their “attempts” at LGBTQ+ representation are going to be ass. Don’t look towards major corporations for representation in general 😭

@turniplady2522

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah but there is a show called the owl house on Disney that actually has quite good representation! The main character is bi and latina, they actually have her and her love interest start dating halfway through the second season, refer to them as girlfriends, and there’s a nonbinary character! I know Disney isn’t great, but the show is definitely worth a watch if it sounds interesting to you :)

@TheCanderemy

2 жыл бұрын

@@turniplady2522 and the episode in which they ask each other out is made in such a way you cant cut it from the episode! I wonder how they would cut all the blushing and dialogue for the honophobic market.

@Lizzie_04

2 жыл бұрын

@@turniplady2522 Ive been meaning to watch the owl house for over a year now, thanks for the reminder

@boudicaastorm4540

2 жыл бұрын

I will say that one movie they did good on (hoping they don't ever make a sequel to ruin it) is Brave. It might just be that Merida is young, and so maybe she's kind of in a gray area where they could say "oh she's just not ready for a relationship yet," but from her actions in the movie, it's possible she could be considered an aro/ace character. It was also kind of cool that they focused mainly on the mother-daughter relationship, rather than her accidentally finding some romantic interest or something. And I do have a lot of queer friends who love Owl House, I haven't seen it personally but I guess the show must be doing something right.

it took me like ten minutes to realize the person with a beard was actually just rowan LMAOOO

@miraaa19

2 жыл бұрын

Same :D It took me a while too!

"Those multiple background lesbians could take a class on building believable characters and apply it to themselves I guess?" X'D I'm dying

The owl house is great for representation. The writer really needed to push for it and it is so worth it, and better yet, the main character (that is female) has a gf and is bi

@lilliroemhild4242

2 жыл бұрын

and her GIRLFRIEND (yes I repeat an on screen main character lgbtq+ couple) and her constantly say "my awesome girlfriend" and stuff liken that. they are so adorable I literally get so excited because of the representation.

I absolutely love Rowan in drag. At this point Disney has actually got not horrible representation in one of its Disney channel shows, the owl house. Absolutely my favorite show rn.

Dear Disney, If you are reading there is something you need to do. Pick a side. The conservatives don’t enjoy the small background lesbians and ambiguously queer characters and the lgbtq+ community dons t take pleasure in that either. So do us all a favor and pick a side.

I would like to add some honorable mentions: those two officers from gravity falls, juleka and rose from miraculous ladybug, those background characters from svtfoe AND Jackie' s gf, Luca and Alberto from "Luca", Loki from Marvel and,finally, the best contestants in my opinion and the only ones who got ACTUAL REPRESENTATION, Luz, Amity, Raine, Eda, Willows dad's and other characters from The Owl House. Please check these shows/movies out, they're really good

@hyalophora

2 жыл бұрын

You mean Sheriff Blubs and Deputy Durland

@Dancinglemon

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair to Alex Hirsch, he tried his best to get Blubs and Durland to be an actual thing but the Mouse said no. Fortunately, Owl House is a thing, he got his revenge in a roundabout way thanks to Dana Terrace.

Lolol. Why is the olympics literally a perfect metaphor for this. Jeez

I honestly can’t believe Disney markets this stuff and just leaves characters from the owl house in a dusty corner. Like, YOU HAVE A BI LEAD YOU HAVE A LESBIAN YOU HAVE A NONBINARY CHARACTER YOU HAVE SOME BACKGROUND GAYS TO MIX IT IN LIKE WHAT???

I can't believe you didn't mention Cyrus from Andi Mack. Although he is actually shown to have a crush on a boy, and he even uses the word gay, so he would count as good representation,and that doesn't belong here

@vicki5322

2 жыл бұрын

that's also disney channel, they're sorta their own thing, and they actually have other gay rep both before and after andi mack (good luck charlie and the owl house, for example). he was lovely representation though! the kinda stuff i used to dream about seeing when i was a kid

can we talk about the fact that a lot of the Disney villains are Jewish coded to the point that hades speaks yiddish

@MissMoontree

2 жыл бұрын

I often miss some of the coding since English is not my first language. Somehow my brain still can't take it if Timon and Pumba don't sound Flemish, even in English. Gay coding does transfer always. Gothel is the easiest to recognize as Jewish coded, since she has human appearance and it isn't based on language. Very problematic still, even if it is left out in some versions

@genericname2747

2 жыл бұрын

Ah. Double minority villains. Disney needs to make a movie about a gay jewish kid going on a magical adventure with a golem or something.

i just got a chick-fil-a ad right as rowan made the “long and loving relationship with the police” quip. absolutely cackling.

I know this only covered movies but it would have been fun to delve into tv shows!!! Also you forgot the valkyrie character who is confirmed to be in love with a woman at some point but all scenes of this were cut from the movie!

@mistyiris29

2 жыл бұрын

In the tv shows, though, there are _actual_ gay characters with relationships and everything. Cyrus Goodman, Amity Blight, Luz Noceda, etc. A lot of stuff happens in the tv shows that Disney doesn't dare put in movies, because it's going out to a smaller audience.

@serazvi5387

2 жыл бұрын

I remember there was a whole fuss about a positively-portrayed, openly and outwardly lesbian couple appearing for an episode of Good Luck Charlie on Disney channel a while back. They were both blonde white supermodel lesbians, but at least they weren't shy about it

'Out" is a Disney short specifically about one man's struggle with telling his parents about his partner... Even if it is more about him body switching with his dog... There are a few more to add as well if you look, Pleavy from Lilo and Stitch perhaps? Looking forward to a sequel video

@MissMoontree

2 жыл бұрын

I know it probably is progressive over there. But the whole story is such a cliché in West Europe. I've seen it in too many movies, and no one does it anymore for a good reason. At least, not as main focus. I wish Disney could for once be ahead instead of lagging behind.

Isn’t it just lovely that “Gay” Disney characters still talk about gayness like Victorian people exiled from their country for the crime of homosexuality?

@frog137

2 жыл бұрын

I’m pretty sure gay was illegal in the time Jungle Cruise is set, at least in England

The only Disney gays I acknowledge are on the Owl House.

The ULCU must, I repeat, *must* continue

@timothyhicks3643

2 жыл бұрын

++++

(Spoilers) I like McGregor the most, even if he is the most stereotypical gay. I like him because he is actually kind of a fun character lol. He even got to be a hero in the end, which, of course, never happens in Disney since the gay characters are always in the background or barely mentioned.

@frog137

2 жыл бұрын

Plus I found some of the stereotypical-ness to sort of be just him being a rich british boy

The random marriage candidate from the Princess Diaries 2 who had a boyfriend could not attend due to actually being explicitly MLM despite his entire appearance being a picture in a slideshow.

So sad that Raya from Raya and the last dragon couldn't make it due to covid restrictions. Was really looking forward to see her at the first gay character olympic games after actress Kelly Marie Tran confirmed she voiced the scenes with female friend/rival Namaari as if there "were some romantic feelings going on there". Was really hoping to see her compete in the 'played queer with no disney conformation' category.

Disney makes me feel so seen as an unnamed background lesbian 😌

I just don't understand, why not just go all in? Like if conservatives are gonna boycott the film for 2 second shot, you are out the same amount of money as having a LGBT main character.

I am in love with drag king Rowan, that shirt, that 5 o'clock shadow. So dreamy

it's simple really, if Disney says it's gay then it's not gay, if they say it's not gay then it's absolutely gay.

"Wait... what's that?" *LUZ AND AMITY CRASH THE PARTY AND KISS IN FRONT OF EVERYONE*

Shame Loki "a bit of both" Laufeyson couldn't make it, he would've been a strong contester with that one single scene about his love life with one line that could be cut out easily and is never referenced in the show and probably not going to be in future movies/ tv shows of the mcu again, especially after having a female love interest (not to mention his "fluid gender" that comes with shapeshifting and which you can't even notice (the fact that they made it canon I mean) unless you pause the episode and zoom in to read his file where it says fluid at gender)

Disney has been awful about LGBTQIA+ characters. The only shining light they have is the owl house, and Disney cancelled the third season of that to only 2 40 minute episodes.

Such a shame Ratigan was unable to attend the games this year.

We all know Luz and Amity would win

@GaiashKetoji

2 жыл бұрын

These games have ignored the potential of TV show athletes for too long.

@mackthompson616

2 жыл бұрын

facts

@trixxartarchive7705

2 жыл бұрын

@@GaiashKetoji maybe because they where a genuinely decent LGBT rep that can't be edited out (also got to give props to Raine as a greate non binary character I love them)

@freyagrant4630

2 жыл бұрын

Sadly to enter the representation had to have been disappointing

@GaiashKetoji

2 жыл бұрын

@@trixxartarchive7705 Indeed. I just wanted to do a riff on my own genuine reaction to the Academy Awards not giving credit to voice actors because they don’t care about animation.

It is really unfortunate that the Disney films don't have as much queer representation as the Disney channel. Like in The Owl House the main character is in a canon lesbian relationship and even kiss on screen and call each other their girlfriend, and in High School Musical The Series, the main character has two lesbian moms who actually spend time on screen together and two of the side/main characters are in a gay relationship that lasts like two seasons (so far, the show isn't over). I can think of more examples but those are the main ones. Miraculous Ladybug also has some queer characters. It sucks that they can't add them into movies like they can with shows.

@satya4234

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed! Also, the lesbian moms in Good Luck Charlie!

@F1SHB0NEZ_

2 жыл бұрын

The Owl House actually features a sapphic relationship since Luz Noceda is canonically bi :)

@Kitschune24

2 жыл бұрын

Gravity Falls and the DuckTales reboot also have some queer representation

@Dandidoodles

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kitschune24 yes! A character in ducktales amhas gay dads. and Mable from gravity fall is canonicaly bi, i think . . .

@zeinanicolas7359

2 жыл бұрын

And don't forget Andi Mack!

I was seven minutes in before i realised Mickey is also played by Rowan (pls congratulate me on my stupidity 😂)

@KaylaKasel

2 жыл бұрын

I was 9 minutes in until I realized their names were Mickey and Minnie and the pun therein. You're not alone.

"Disney, this is the 7th week in a row you've shown your first gay character in class"

The fact that it is the olympics is just *chef's kiss*

Danna Terrace burning everything in the background like a Feral raccoon: HEHEHEHEHE

This is amazing. For anyone who wants to see actual gay characters on Disney (Channel), I would recommend The Owl House.

@MissMoontree

2 жыл бұрын

I loved the series and it surprised me that Disney allowed a real couple. Not the overly flashy "First gay much special!" but just a girl who falls in love with a girl.

@broccoli896

2 жыл бұрын

@@MissMoontree Yess, absolutely, and I'm surprised we didn't have to wait til the show was ending for confirmation either (no shade to other shows that have had to do that though!)

@sunlitsonata6853

2 жыл бұрын

@@broccoli896 That's something even shows with a HETERO romance struggle to get around and yet Dana and crew pulled it off with an LGBT couple.

Not to forget the wonderful representation we saw in the spinoff series for a side character in the Marvel movies only available on Disney+ Loki! What with the avoidance of using specific terms, no possible partner shown and the blink and you'll miss it gender confirmation in the credits. ...Gotta love Disney -.-

So nobody needs to hear my perspective on the Jungle Cruise dude but like. Simultaneously understanding that him being like that as a character is bad, but me being like that sometimes as a person is ok, requires a lot of mental gymnastics for me. Especially since him being so feminine is a big part of it, and me being trans is a big part of… me. (✨dysphoria✨)

@KheldarLars

2 жыл бұрын

I honestly liked the character. He was a fop, overcompensating for his sister's stompy boots, /and/ he was also brave and a strong fighter.

@Quentin-queerly

2 жыл бұрын

@@KheldarLars Thanks :)

@ryangourami7179

2 жыл бұрын

I dont think its necessarily that the character is bad but the big media circus of "look at our lgbt rep!" and patting themselves on the back for doing basically nothing that annoys people. Though also sometimes if a character is played by a straight actor and written by a straight writer it can feel different then if an actual queer person acts similarly. That what rubs some people the wrong way, it can feel like they're making fun of us. (i haven't actually seen jungle cruise yet though)

@Quentin-queerly

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryangourami7179 Oh I see! I’m also just wondering, how come everyone’s so confident that Jack Whitehall isn’t attracted to men? I couldn’t find anything where said he only liked women, but maybe I didn’t look hard enough. (No pressure to answer!)

@7Lukcy7

2 жыл бұрын

@@Quentin-queerly sorry for jumping in here, but to answer your question: it's not about the confirmed labels/sexualities of actors, it's about the struggle of out queer actors not being cast for anything. i'm a queer person myself and i don't have a problem with straight actors playing queer ppl as such, but the fact that actors (esp hollywood actors) are still being advised to stay in the closet, and the on-going struggle of less famous queer actors being cast _at all_ is the big issue here. so imo until there's more equality for queer actors in general, there rly shouldn't be any straight actors cast in queer roles bc it's just a slap in the face for actual queer ppl. sexual preference is fluid and rly shouldn't be that deep, but unfortunately we live in a world where ppl are discriminated against for it and ppl DO make a big deal of it, therefore i see the pushback against straight (or at least 'not-out') actors in queer roles as a valid criticism.

Thank you so much for pointing out Disney’s bullshit and doing it so thoroughly and so well! While it’s true there have been and will be a million “FiRsT DiSnEy GaY cHarAcTorS” in terms of movies, at least The Owl House has real, solid, good LGBT+ representation. 🏳️‍🌈 The main character is openly Bi and even gets a lesbian girlfriend in the second season, there’s a non binary character, and one of the characters has two gay dads!

Disney makes each of their lgbt characters so unmemorable that nobody even knows about the last one by the time the next one shows up, so they can make a "first gay Disney character" as many times as they like. They can even get away with "first gay cartoon character" since lots of people think that "Disney" and "cartoon" are synonymous for some reason, even though Disney arguably isn't a proper animation studio at this point.

background lesbian representation MATTERS!

"giving us something, and also, technically, giving us nothing" 💀

honestly i think my favorite part is how tired "mickey" is. just look at those dark circles. poor chap's been through the wringer

@omegalefou5845

2 жыл бұрын

He’s tired of his own bs

Oh god I get so excited when I see you’ve posted. Particularly when I see “unhinged lesbian” in the title 😌

I vicariously live off your gay energy, Rowan. :DDD Loved the sponsored bit and focaccia asmr!

Omg they featured all of my favorite contestants, this is the best olympics I have ever seen

If I had to choose who wins it would either be the blink and you'll miss it star wars lesbians or the Joe Russo gay endgame cameo, simply because of the fact that both movies already had a pair of characters that the fandom had been pleading for to become canon couples for years, said pairings being Finnpoe and Stucky, respectively.

@victorthecollector9198

2 жыл бұрын

I will never shut up about finnpoe I am still fucking rabid about it I am fuming I need to go lay down I can't

I loved this and am SO HERE for the Unhinged Rowan Cinematic Universe.

I'm not gonna lie I LOVE your more structured and very informative videos but your "unhinged" videos are truly on another level !! This was so good :D

This was hilarious. It's always joyous and never frustrating when Disney announce their latest first gay character!

what about disney shows? the owl house is the best rep i’ve seen from disney. plus there’s andi mack’s cyrus

@nanananananananananananana9430

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, tbf, the creator had to put a hell of a lot of pressure on them for her to be permitted to include the bisexual and lesbian characters in the show.

@mackthompson616

2 жыл бұрын

@@nanananananananananananana9430 ik and theyre still ending it prematurely which uh may not be homophobia but considering how well it’s doing it sure feels like it

@Nicole-gt7nv

2 жыл бұрын

The Owl House has the best LGBTQ+ representation in TV animation, period. And it's only about halfway through it's run.

@sonamc7723

2 жыл бұрын

hsmtmts also has rep. and the characters are played by lgbtq+ actors .

I was missing the Olympic Disney music and canned applause, but other than that, the shade was absolutely delicious. The tea spilled in a gloriously boiling waterfall of passive aggression.

Such a shame that Luz could not come to this reality in time for the celebration. Even though she wouldn't be competing since the olympics are for gay-characters-only, our pride bissexual witch would be glad to attend it. When approached by our team, however, Amity refused to give us a statement and instead just turned beet red. We wonder if that is something related to the witch girls culture.

@abigailw7146

2 жыл бұрын

also the rep is actually good and we cant have that here

Can you find the 7 background lesbians hidden on the video?

disney’s gay representation may have left me disappointed, but this video sure didn’t!

This was positively brilliant. Drag them! I smiled the entirety of the video. You did miss the kids from Luca though.

@twilighthairball

2 жыл бұрын

She would have had to make a category called "The _we swear it's not gay!_ " for that one

@cinderstar4377

2 жыл бұрын

Because they are actually good gay representation even though they technically don’t count

I did not just pull up with 3 seconds to go 🤣🤣

I'm living for the shade

So sad Jumba & Pleakely didn't turn up for veteran parade, though I guess they might still be living as a married couple in Feudel Japan (Stitch & The Samurai manga). Seriously, what does Disney plan on doing when they get to the liveaction remake?

Gods, you’re bloody brilliant, never ever stop. I’m obsessed with this 💅🏻

i felt this title on levels that i didn’t know i had

Rowan you're an icon. Bless you.

When I was watching jungle cruise it was quite heartwarming I guess because I really wasn't expecting it. But I liked it in the way a 13th century peaseant would like getting scraps from a generous baker

Wow mickey and minnie have such a similar voice!

The title alone deserves an award