Unexpected Discovery Delidding the AMD Ryzen 7600X
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0:00 Intro
1:25 Hetzner
2:10 Delidding using the Ryzen 7000 Delid-Die-Mate
7:46 7600X delidded & Ryzen 7000 Direct Die Frame
9:34 7600X under a Thermal Camera
11:54 CPU-Z & "For Science!"
12:49 Why two CCDs?
14:40 The development process
15:49 Ryzen 7000 Lapping-Tool
17:10 Outro
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I would imagine that the cpu was supposed to be more than 8 cores, but one CCD failed testing, so they just disabled it and made it a 6-core unit.
@mintynuggets
Жыл бұрын
It's like those 3 core athlons where you could enable the fourth core in the bios
@JE-zl6uy
Жыл бұрын
@@mintynuggets I am curious if you could turn the second die on and get 2 extra threads out of it.
@WTFZOMG
Жыл бұрын
yeah maybe supposed to be a 12 core part, but one CCD didnt work after they packaged it so they binned it down to 7600x
@ViXoZuDo
Жыл бұрын
@@mintynuggets yes and no... those athlons were true 4 cores with 1 disabled just to keep the SKU. The first batch of the 3 cores was impossible to unlock since those were actually damaged cpus... later on, the fail rate was too low to keep the demand, so they started to disable good cpus just to keep selling the SKU. In this case, I'm almost sure this is an actually damaged cpu and later on, I don't think they will start to sell 2ccd cpus with one disabled since it doesn't makes sense.
@kathrynck
Жыл бұрын
I think so too. Specifically a 7900X, as it's 12 core, so half would be 6.
I think it is also worth considering that the packaging process can produce a defective package. It's not just the photolithography process that can produce a defective die, but the packaging process can use two perfectly functional dies and if one of them is misaligned, the electrical contact between the substrate and the die may be too poor to keep that die active. So this may have been intended to be a 7900x, but when it was tested post-packaging it was found that one of the dies wasn't up to snuff and it was salvaged as a 7600x instead.
@fasteddy664
Жыл бұрын
Yeah that was my thought as well
@mycosys
Жыл бұрын
Yeah that was my guess, the CCD was fine but the substrate bond failed during assembly. Was a little surprised to see it inactive actually, AMD have a history of dual CCD x600 chips.
@halbouma6720
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I expect failed single 8 core CCX and/or failed cores in a CCX moves them into candidates for turning into 7600s. It could also not clock high enough for 7700/7900 versions as well.
@PainterVierax
Жыл бұрын
@@halbouma6720 AFAIK manufacturers do QC tests and binning before assembly (sometimes even before cutting the wafer into dies) so with this chiplet design it's way less probable that failed or low clocking cores are simply deactivated like it was on previous monolithic die designs. It's also more costly effective that low clocking CCX are stockpiled to be used for future skus for desktop or more probably server or mobile products (if they use the same CCX design over the whole generation) instead of being deactivated. All in all, as OP said the most probable hypothesis is a defect during the bonding process of the CCX on the interposer in a 7900x assembly line. And if it's the case this rebranded 7600x should be a golden sample (at least for the usable CCX) compared to the usual quality tolerance of this sku.
The thoughtfulnes and transparency around the development and bundling decisions for the delidding tool are really nice to see. The thoughtfulness around re-use is awesome. I wish more companies could focus on and embrace re-use like that.
@Exostenzaa
Жыл бұрын
He also understands that anyone who delids their CPU with his tool is going to have to buy his contact frame so more people that delid means more contact frames sold which may be the real money maker here. I agree the transparency is great but I don't think this is as much of an altruistic thought process as you think. Either way der8auer is the man and I am not trying to be negative about him and his products at all so please don't take this the wrong way. If I end up going Ryzen 7000 when the X3D chips come out I assume I will be using this tool eventually with a contact frame (assuming he updates both for the added depth of the X3D dies). Stoked that he is finally doing this for AMD now that they are LGA.
@twiggsherman3641
Жыл бұрын
@@Exostenzaa exactly, plus anyone with a brain knows they're spending 60 euro's on something they'll probably only use once, maybe twice. It's a tall order when people can just buy cheap knockoffs to try to save a buck and yolo it.
@prgnify
Жыл бұрын
@@twiggsherman3641 I mean, he did mention that people can group together to buy it, if people go on reddit, discord or somewhere else and find like 5 people it already gets to be about 10 quid - which is why he mentioned he won't include the plate on the same package. That kind of transparency is really nice - how many sellers would turn to you and say - oh yeah, get some people and buy fewer blocks, it works better.
@twiggsherman3641
Жыл бұрын
@@prgnify you realize he could just offer two items at his shop. A single, and a combo with a discount, and let people doing group buys just purchase the single, right?
@quantos8061
Жыл бұрын
@@Exostenzaa I can understand where you are looking at this from. But I hope that nobody buys this that doesn't know what they are getting into. Otherwise I think it's a good product that deserves some good marketing. That's just my opinion.
The transparency on you basically saying 'Hey, you can always buy these second hand because they are a solid construct' Effectively capping your market growth / total sales on that item in the name of pure engineering and advancements, not greed, is refreshing and beautiful. It gives me hope, and that alone, is the reason i'm going to buy one. Thank you der8auer
@Ozhull
Жыл бұрын
Usually I would say this is hokey or cringey but honestly, he rocks so much for this.
@javaguru7141
Жыл бұрын
Yeah. It's such a breath of fresh air. I respected him before but now he has my _absolute_ respect.
@CMDRSweeper
Жыл бұрын
To put it differently, he is working in a very niche market with this tool, and if you try to gouge when you are in the niche market, it spreads pretty quick and you are out of business with a broken reputation. Consider what else DerBauer does, he has to keep that reputation to keep his other more mainstream products like the thermal paste going strong.
@clansome
Жыл бұрын
There's another thought that they won't cap the market as by the time "saturation" has occurred in what is a very niche market then sufficient capital has been built up to help fund the next project.
@yuuki-yuuki
Жыл бұрын
On the other hand, a good amount of cost is from the material. It won't create much more profits by selling more in new. Lots will be given to the factory for raw material.
The fact that he's like "yeah, we want to make it so people can buy the delider and share it" instead of the standard business mentality of making it a bundle for maximum profit is why he's a gem to the community.
@heyhoe168
Жыл бұрын
That is why monopolized capitalism is a worst system ever. And that is why government absolutely have to oppose any too-big-for-the-market corporation.
@ShoeAlmighty
Жыл бұрын
He doesn't make money from selling the delidders, he makes money from youtube. Please don't idolize people.
@AshanSanjula
Жыл бұрын
@@ShoeAlmighty He COULD make money from deliders but he doesn't. So I'll keep idolizing.
@ShoeAlmighty
Жыл бұрын
@@AshanSanjulaStop pole riding, he COULD make a few thousand from this tool OR he could make hundreds of thousands from his name brand and youtube.....Do the math nerd.
@AshanSanjula
Жыл бұрын
@@ShoeAlmighty he COULD make few thousand dollars from this tool AND from his name brand and KZread. He just chooses to only get from one. Don't be a hater.
You don't need to apologize for that price. We've all seen the work and attention to detail that you've put into what you do.
@CanularRadio
Жыл бұрын
You look like HeatoN found a gotfrag forum post saying how old is HeatoN
Great work Roman! Good idea to verify the function of the 2nd CCD with the thermal camera.
I don't personally have a need for lapping or deliding, but I do deeply appreciate and respect your initiative to bringing high quality products to the market and ensuring your customers can safely use these tools without worry of irreparable damage.
@gblargg
Жыл бұрын
Same, stock CPUs on stock computers, but this is very interesting, and the craftsmanship and care is enjoyable to see. This kind of thing is the community creating their own tools. It's great.
@dangerwr
Жыл бұрын
@@gblargg Agreed. I find the engineering aspect quite intriguing.
@nexusyang4832
Жыл бұрын
Same. I won't be doing any of this but can really appreciate the engineering efforts and those that wish to push the envelope to the very extreme. It's akin to those who modify their cars or do engine swaps. I can appreciate a gear heads willingness to take things to a whole other level. Pedal to the metal!!!! 🤩🤩🤩👍👍👍
@gblargg
Жыл бұрын
@@nexusyang4832 It's comforting to know that I'm saving myself a lot of work to put the heat sink right next to the die and get a few deg C temperature drop.
We already reached out to our account rep at thermal grizzly to get these new tools. We look forward to using them on our computers and providing them to our community! Hopefully they're ready for mass production soon!
@actualrealbozo
Жыл бұрын
nice
@wastanley734
Жыл бұрын
Keep up the good work in NC
@nexusyang4832
Жыл бұрын
Hey!! It's Silver Knight!
And just like that, by being open, honest and suggesting an approach that benefits your clientele more than it does yourself, you'll most likely make a decent profit out of this (which you absolutely deserve). What a legend this guy.
Great work.. I'm TRHILLED to see your product. I have been in this game for a very VERY long time ('87 was my first build) anyway I was a child back then.. We have come so far with technology it's actually crazy to think of a time when it would take a FEW MINUTES to boot my system and I had 1mb of ram between 4 256mb simms. So nice to see you working with and still bucking the machine!
@jacianmcgurk7424
Жыл бұрын
New install time Anthony, about 1 hour and two days for the drivers. lol
@megapro125
Жыл бұрын
maybe next cpu gen we go back to a couple minutes of boot time. my new Ryzen 9 7900X system already takes 2-3x longer to boot than my previous i7-9700KF despite having less and much faster drives lol. Would be interesting to know why it takes so long since the actual cpu performance is leagues beyond the older intel chip once it's done booting.
@anthonyblacker8471
Жыл бұрын
@@megapro125 that's interesting! I'm running a 2600x and have an nvme boot drive, even with all my startup programs I'm under a minute to boot.
@megapro125
Жыл бұрын
@@anthonyblacker8471 I googled a bit for possible reasons. One factor could be memory checks during the boot process as the old system only had half the memory of the new one and also new main boards having more features that need to load during post.
@mycosys
Жыл бұрын
@@megapro125 Ryzen 7xxx retrains the memory every time you hard power off the PSU, should be a lot faster with soft power cycles.
I haven't delidded any CPU before, but I feel like its time to jump on this. I'm just making sure the AMD platform is something I want to continue with long term. So far, so good. Thank you for taking all of this time and research to bring us these products. Your videos are fun to watch and learn from!!
@Purjo92
Жыл бұрын
It's only platform, where you are guaranteed to get new CPU releases all the way to 2025, so I think it's the smartest option.
@righteousone8454
Жыл бұрын
Well maybe don't. I ruined two cpus that way. This round I was working soooooo careful, but liquid metal tends to roll off, microscopically. Sometimes you won't see it at all. At first it was all good, then motherboard went bye bye. I ruined 2 gpus and 2 cpus. Last motherboard I destroyed forced me to buy 13900k, because finding z390 motherboard is next to impossible now. Unless you want to spend 300 bucks on motherboard. Liquid metal is a bit*h Thermal Grizzly liquid metal graveyarded GTX 1070ti, GTX 1080, i7-8700k, Z370 motherboard, Z390 motherboard. I made a final decision never to do it again. Liquid metal is too dangerous, even for a very careful person like me. You have to be very careful on tilting your pc afterwards, as liquid metal can run off, it's not worth it. I delidded 9 I9-900k just fine, but it made my motherboard die, and I was so careful. I am going to be one of the few to really say: Please don't. It reduced anywhere from 12 to 15 degrees for me, but then eventually liquid metal ran off, if you tilted pc or blew dust with dust blower/compressed canned air. So, yeah, know that it can happen, be ready to lose parts as the greatest risk.
@doctordonutdude
Жыл бұрын
It just seems the most worth atm. I'm slowly acquiring parts for my next build and I'm 99% sure it's gonna be an AMD build, even tho I was looking forward to finally going Intel for once.
@johnanderson7739
Жыл бұрын
@@atticushexcel9567 You cant make anything idiot proof because idiots are so ingenious
@zkilla4611
Жыл бұрын
I'm waiting for 3DV and will just Water cool it.
Your dedication to perfection and quality is admirable. Great video!
@olivur_1459
Жыл бұрын
no
I personally think that U are AMAZING !! don't forget that. U have been providing such valuable info/tests for us, I do appreciate this and please keep doing a great job! I wish I had a good PC one day! I enjoy watching U! Bartek
@der8auer-en
Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot!
such a great technical journey.. a long way from Rev. 1 (no more 'breaking' sounds). Great Job team!
Excellent work Roman! I can't wait to get my hands on these!
It was intended to be 7900X, 2 x 6 core CPU. If one CCD does not pass the QC, you can downbin it to 7600X and rewrite the CPU name in ID. It was done already for 5900X to 5600X and 5950X to 5800X CPUs too.
@Hi-levels
Жыл бұрын
My 5600x has 2 active CCD..
@jurgiszalitis
Жыл бұрын
@@Hi-levels My condolences xD
Never call something "idiot proof." There's always some idiot out there that will prove you wrong.
Great work, I'm hoping to try delidding for the first time very soon and the tools you make give me much more confidence doing this :)
Love watching the development process! I appreciate your efforts to develop what I consider reasonably priced products and tools that help the pc community overcome manufacturer choices.
FYI, we call it “hard anodizing” in English too, the direct translation is correct in this case. Keep up the vids!
I love your transparency around re-use and it makes me want to buy a whole water cooled system just to buy your product.
When are you going to upload the R9 7950X delidded results? I feel tempted to buy your tool to get it delided. Seems very convenient to drop the temperatures for machines that are meant to be running 24/7 at full load as it would decrease the need to be cleaning the radiators from dust.
Roman, you're such a quality person. Your marketing behind the direct die and delid tool are respectable. I wish we didn't live so far from each other. One of my goals is to grab a beer with you and talk overclocking.
Now I want a 7000-series CPU just to run direct cooling.
I believe both explanations are correct. The 7600X are 79xx to cover the demand, but they are also defective. The first batches always suffer from a higher level of defects. AMD is taking advantage of them for the 7600. This reminds me of the Phenon X6 times, when many Athlon or Phenon X2, X3 cpus were actually X4 versions with cores deactivated, easily "fixable" by the bios. Despite being faulty, most of them worked perfectly on vanilla (no overclocking), I had a few myself. This also happened frequently with video cards, the first versions of cards like geforce 6200 were actually defective geforce 6600, but most of them could be modded and work normally. There were cards like this on ATI too. This usually happens during launch, and for a short period of time, just the first revision and for the first few months. After a few years, the information spreads over the internet, and a race begins in the used market to find these models, and they go up in price.
@ruikazane5123
Жыл бұрын
That GPU binning...aka "HW units mask" that capped pixel and shader units. NVStrap was a thing...am I that old already
@creaturedanaaaaa
Жыл бұрын
There were actually 2 CCD 5600X and 5800X units as well
@dyslectische
Жыл бұрын
Ati x800 gto serie . Yes you can active the extra core Or the nvidia 6800le to unlock to a nvidia 6800gt core. Oke you are stuck with ddr1 but still cheap and with sli a lot of power in that time
@mycosys
Жыл бұрын
so they added laser die fusing lol
At this point I have several delidders from you. Good shit. Glad you're keeping up with the latest. Looking forward to delidding more soon.
Great work and thanks for everything you do for everyone in the gaming community.
Hyped, thanks for developing this.. Jumping from delided 7980XE to 7950X.
@mitlanderson
Жыл бұрын
I'd wait for the 7950X3D
@Hito343
Жыл бұрын
@@mitlanderson Why? I am not interested in games, would be buying 13600K/F or the locked chip instead.
Just wondering, have you tried installing the 7700x into a system and seeing if it'll boot??? I'm curious about how it'll behave as it is
Can't wait for the delid/frame to be available! I've been playing with my 7950x and I am pretty sure I am at the limit of what I can do without better cooling =D Keep up the good work!
Really appreciate the quality and care that your products are made with. I’m gonna buy a contact frame now
I have never had any intention of overclocking before, so I never looked into these kind of techniques. However, with the 'interesting' choices that AMD has made with AM5 I do feel like I should perhaps try my hand at this delidding and maybe even water-cooling. If I do, I know to find your channel/store :)
New products for Intel as well you say? Will we get a delid tool for LGA1700 this time? Sure the rockit cool version exists, but it always looked a bit sketchy and straight up often deforms the IHS when used. We need a proper quality delid tool to unlock RPL!
@der8auer-en
Жыл бұрын
Yes RPL delidder and Direct Die Frame already in the works :)
@mattiasolsson2499
Жыл бұрын
@@der8auer-en Great news, I'll hold off on the scalpel and heatgun then! ;D
Good stuff Roman, keep up the good work and hope everything works out for you as well.
Keep up the great work. Definitely want to try the delid tool.
@olivur_1459
Жыл бұрын
no
Man Der8auer is such a good guy. The way he explains his thought process of development, still staying true to the computer modding community. I am so happy for you man that you can make money on the stuff you love to do. Keep on the good work, when I buy anything that is branded with your name I am 100% confident that there has been maximum thought out in it from the customer/modded side of view.
Second Stage CPU Binning, likely during the BURN-IN test where on CCD gone bad during that particular testing but the other had no issues. Something you can not do with Intel yet and that lowers costs for AMD even further than just the chiplet approach and CPU cores being technically multipurpose like Ryzen, Threadripper, EPIC, etc all using the same CPU cores chiplet. It's one detail that APU's have been missing since the first ZEN series but that looks like is now being addressed. From what I can see next gen APUs will also be a full chiplet based design instead of monolithic, something I can't wait to be ready, specially when they start combining CPU/GPU/NPU etc on the "SOCs".
@kotekzot
Жыл бұрын
It would be pretty funny if AMD decided to release "big.LITTLE" CPUs with a poorly-clocking chiplet locked to lower frequencies. Probably not worth the effort for them.
Glad you mentioned the lapping stuff, I didn't originally understand why he didn't lap even more of the ihs
Super cool! Can't wait for the launch.
Can't wait, hope there will be an option to buy the bracket, delidder, and the new liquid metal in 1 bundle.
@johnanderson7739
Жыл бұрын
yes please
You should redesign the delidder to function with a lever instead of a screw since it takes so many oscillations. Could just hold it in a vice and use a long handle and work it back and forth.
@olivur_1459
Жыл бұрын
no
@nicolasmargottin8982
Жыл бұрын
Adding another expensive milled part compared to standard screws just to win time on a one time operation ?
@mitlanderson
Жыл бұрын
Just use an impact at that point lmao
@jurodz7163
Жыл бұрын
Screw mechanism is better for small force increment. I think
Nice work - results seem consistent.
50-60 Euro sounds like a pretty good deal considering you may be able to save that much on your cooler because you don't have to be as aggressive to cool it down ... unless you want to.
I remember a time when Athlon XP processors were sold without a cover, and the need to disassemble them. People often broke the die by forcing too much on one of the corners (by mounting the cooler incorrectly).
@s1mph0ny
Жыл бұрын
Yep, those foam pads helped for the first time mounting but they always shriveled up enough that additional mounts had little room for error.
Thanks for such interesting content!
Builds superb fabrication facility, uses it to build world class products, doesn't set the time and date on his thermal imager. Love it.
I wonder if it was a defective higher end CPU OR they simply killed off a part of it to meet demand for the lower end skus?..i wonder if it could be re-enabled/brought back to life somehow even if it was not 100% stable? This stuff fascinates me! and would defiantly make an interesting video attempting to re-enabling it if possible.
Great work Roman! Now for the "dream" ... make a BIOS that can detect if the CPU has a 2nd CCD (deactivated) and gives you the option to manually enable it ... something like phenomx4 II that you had a "chance" to unlock 2 more cores and make it 6 core 😃 This could be very fun if it could happen, plus the sales of AMD CPUs would sky rocket 😝
@lenwe4205
Жыл бұрын
My first PC build I specifically bought the 3 core(forget the name) because everyone said you could just unlock the 4th core and bam! You have a phenom II X4. Did it in my bios, worked like a charm and even the system read it as a phenom 4 core lol
@lenwe4205
Жыл бұрын
I believe it was the Athlon II x3
@foobar-9k
Жыл бұрын
@@lenwe4205 The Phenom II X3 720 BE were kinda easy to unlock into X4, provided the motherboard used an SB710 chip (with ACC enabled on the BIOS).
Hey mate, can you use a wing bolts or a hand bolt as the moving bolts? How much torque is needed to break the IHS free? I think the bolt head might get threaded (damaged) if people use a cheap hex bit/key (or the wrong tool for the job lol) considering it could take 20 times each side. This probably depends on the experience level of the user. Any ways great build.
As far as the lapping tool, are you also making a new backplate or mounting bracket to preserve the required mounting pressure (seeing how the IHS will be lower after lapping)?
Awesome! I will definitely be one to buy this. Now could you please list the supported EK water blocks that would fit your device. I don't want to buy something that wouldn't work in the end. Also would like to keep like metals with each other. 🙏 And if you have a liquid metal that won't eat up the water block that'd be great 😏
I assume you probably can't say anything definitively yet, but do you believe that delidding will be any different on Ryzen CPUs with 3D V-Cache? Maybe you've tried it on a 5800X3D? As someone with a 5950X neither the 7950X nor 13900K look to be worthwhile upgrades, but Zen 4 X3D might be, especially if there does turn out to be a 7950X3D as has been heavily rumored.
@robojimtv
Жыл бұрын
5800X3D being a PGA socket vs SGA makes delidding more difficult
@GokieKS
Жыл бұрын
@@robojimtv Well my question was really about whether the 3D V-Cache makes any difference. 5800X3D can't be compared to current Ryzen 7000 models, but could to the other Ryzen 5000 desktop CPUs.
On the direct die kit, would you be willing to include a sponge mask to trap liquid metal, similar to the one used in PS5, but pre cut in the correct format? Maybe create a direct-die and liquid metal bundle? Also, do you feel that the stock "glue" on top of the caps provided by AMD is enough to protect from shorting with liquid metal? Or would still recommend to apply nail polish?
bro this is sick, fantastic work
Direct die cooling brings back AMD Athlon XP memories.
I thought they always did things like this with multi CCD chips of which one module is defective.
@mitlanderson
Жыл бұрын
99% of the time the 6 core and 8 core parts are single CCD (8 cores per CCD)
Looking good Roman,excited to try it out, on my 7900X :)
The original Threadrippers had 4 chiplets for a 16 core processor. They just rummaged for broken dies and put them onto the substrate to make the mounting pressure the same across the dies. Though I doubt that's the case for the 7600/7700. Still it would be weird that they have an SKU that comes off the line sometimes with 2 dies and sometimes 3. Oh well, the customer usually wouldn't figure out anyway. They'll just read the silkscreened text
yeah it has to be if Jay gets one 😃
I can't help but notice every chip you've delidded had two CCDs. Could that be why the 7700x failed delidding?
@mitlanderson
Жыл бұрын
No, you can clearly see what killed the 7700x, it was by part of the PCB being crushed in the tool and destroying the substrate. Both the 7600x and 7700x are single CCD 99% of the time, a 2 CCD 7600x is practically a unicorn.
Delidding has come so far since the old hammer and vise days, thanks for the dellidding tools
Great stuff, thanks for developing gear for the ultra-enthusiasts among us! :D
That 7600X has two CCX's because it is binned down part. Could you try activating the extra cores at a low clock? It could make an interesting video.
@FakeMichau
Жыл бұрын
most likely fused off
@BestFriendOfDog
Жыл бұрын
@@FakeMichau could be but do you think they spent extra money in extra steps?
I'm betting the 7600x is just a 7900x with a disabled failed CCD.
@Nicholas_Steel
Жыл бұрын
Afaik CCD's need to each have the same number of active cores, I imagine this is 2 groups of 6 core CCD's with 3 disabled in each group (so 2 Ryzen 7600X CPU CCD's).
@georgwarhead2801
Жыл бұрын
@@Nicholas_Steel ah and thats why the 2nd ccd stayed cold at boot up...or maybe the second ccd is just disabled compleatly...would make more sense...
Good works Roman bellic that’s a amazing find
For noisy times, you can use a directional mic. They work amazingly well!
Quality part there, well done
Great vid! For the record, how thick is that IHS?
Fantastic work!
Perhaps it can be unlocked like cache in Duron, by repositioning the transistor or the pencil mod :) If you have naked 7900x or 7950x can you check the layout of those to see the pattern ?
props for adding some sort of fix for this weird design flaw, there. back in the day direct die was pretty common. maybe this could become a good standard again, to get the rising wattages and temperatures in check. yo :)
I will definitely buy it Keep up the good work!
It would be great to see if the disabled CCD can be enabled for extra cores maybe at a bit higher voltage much similar like core unlocking on the AM2+, AM3 CPUs.
Man this brings back memories of seeing Guruji (Shamino) use copper chunks for quick test when swapping a board during x48-x58 era for xtreme oc sessions
Are there any differences between the single and dual ccd chips in terms of other components on the cpu board? It's likely just a rejected/damaged higher spec part but there is a possibility that maybe the second die is just disabled to make it a cheaper part.
Maybe you could fix the forcing screw into the base plate so that you could just loosen and tighten the bolt instead of going side to side, like press a bearing into the base plate and press the bolt into the ID of the bearing. Just a thought. Looks like a nice tool though, good work!
Cool video Roman!! What about a direct die contact frame for raptor lake? Theres none from thermal grizzly right?
Hi. What can you do with a delidded cpu? There are cpus that have no circuitry(transistor ) around the CCD(whatever you call it), have you tried experimenting a mechanism wherein the ccd was in full contact(immersed) with water? Does this idea work?
Kinda reminds me the old k6-II. Which some were internally a k6-III with more cache. You could configure that changing stuff in those capacitors
I’m so excited for this product, I know my best friend is eagerly awaiting this for his 7950x
Been watching your videos for years. Any update on a release timeframe for the 7000 series delidding tool and direct die mount? Thank you for all your great work!
The 5600X and 5800X had some dual CCD chips at launch, they were chips that didn't validate as their 12 and 16 core counterparts. They also had issues with ryzen master.
Def will order the delidder and direct die products asap for my 7950. I have an EK Velocity2 AM5 water block coming, will I be able to mount and use that as is with those products?
Can't wait to see what this process looks like on the x3d chips
It was same with the 5600x. The ryzen master sometimes wasnt showing temps or hwinfo was showing 2 ccds.
Pressed like button before started even watching the video. Will there be oc/thermal testing with that delided 7600x?
Am I mistaken, or could you use the cutout in the hold-down as a template to trim a heatsink to guarantee a solid fit?
I want to know if a graphite thermal pad would work instead of grease ? and where to find this Awesome product. Great job !
Can I get confirmation if the delidding bracket and direct die frame are now available for purchase?
At 12:05, the CPU-Z version being used is one revision out of date. Intel's 13th gen CPU socket 1700 mechanism appears to still have the same defects as the 12th gen mechanism, no?
Are you going to do class III Hard Ano on the de-lider as well? Or just class II?
When should expect the deliding tool to be released to public? Thanks for a great work!
Have you released the delidder tool for the Ryzen 7000 series @der8auer? how about the direct die frame? if you have, can you link where I can buy it?
What do you do about the cooler? Will a regular am5 cooler work? I’d imagine the height difference may be an issue here.
Will there be revisions to carbonaut sheet sizes for ryzen 7000, raptor Lake, rdna3 and rtx 40 series products?
How would I mount an Artic 420 with direct die? The backplate it uses is the standard 7950x one. Would it be shorter screws? Never used direct die before and plan to purchase your tool and frame. Thank you.
It would be REALLY cool if you could design these to use cam levers to move the slide back and forth instead of screws!
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While cam levers would look extremely cool I would worry that they possibly don't offer the same level of fine-tune control or the range of torque that manually turning a screw thread could. Also, I suspect it would increase the production cost leading to higher final sale price.
how would I check to see if the EK AM5 waterblocks would touch the die's properly?
how can we be sure we put enough pressure on the cooler for it to cool but not enough for it to crush the silicon?