That plane wreckage is from the McDonnell Douglas F-4E Phantom #68-0356 that crashed on 2/9/70 while on a Ground Attack Radar Tactical training mission out of George Air Force Base, Ca. Both pilots Capt. James B. Fowler and 1/Lt Kenneth Richter were killed in the accident. I found that wreckage in 2014 and was able to track down the information about the accident.

@marktadlock5428

Жыл бұрын

From the debris they must have hit the mountain at very speed maneuver

@barbaragravely920

Жыл бұрын

RIP men.

@TheSilmarillian

Жыл бұрын

@@marktadlock5428 Yep irresistible force takes on immovable solid object ouch

@anotherdave5107

Жыл бұрын

@@TheSilmarillian - no reason to bring me and my missus into this!

@codygranrud6212

Жыл бұрын

RIP Fowler and Richter. o7 🇺🇸

hahahhah Melons huh ....those are Desert Gourds .... when the dry out the sound like maracas .... fun explore sunny Jim

@ExploringCabinsandMines

Жыл бұрын

SEND ME SOME GOLD !! 🤣

@parkerottoackley6325

Жыл бұрын

Hello Jeff, Love your channel, funny seeing 👀 you here. Now COME ON,LET'S GO

@richardwarnock2789

Жыл бұрын

Jeff that's Using the Gourds!!!; )

@christopherpuetz7175

Жыл бұрын

Hey Jeff funny to see you here.

Its a Volunteer Cabin that allows people to stay there overnight or a weekend. The Flag you hang outside to let others know the cabin is occupied. There a number of them out there in the Death Valley area. Good find btw. 👏

The aircraft parts looked incredibly clean and unbedded for something that's been lying out in the dirt since 1970. The mineshaft looked stupidly dangerous

Quite fascinating film - thank you. I once found the crash site of a B 17 which hit the summit of Arenig Ffawr in Snowdonia, and there was very little bigger than a hand's breath left to find. There was part of an engine cylinder, split clean apart, with the threaded bore for the spark plug which was the only part identifiable. A lot depends on how hard the machine hit the floor of course - sorry to learn the crew in your case didin't survive. Neither did the B17 crew; there is a memorial to them at the site, and each Remembrance Day someone climbs up the mountain to lay a poppy wreath to their memory. Sleep well, lads.

@wes11bravo

Жыл бұрын

Hello John, I have ancestral ties to Wales. And it's actually quite touching that someone takes the time to honor the memory of the young guys (kids really) who lost their lives as B-17 crewmembers so many years ago. All the best from Pittsburgh USA.

My grandfather was part of the investigation crew on the F4,he based out Edwards A.F.B. I'm pretty sure this is the same,I remember telling me about an accident by a gold mine

Those refrigerators were called "Kid killers" because children would find them while playing, hide inside and not be able to get out. Any time they were found abandoned, the doors were broken off for safety.

@myleswillis

Жыл бұрын

Yep, hate to do it to an antique like that but that lock should really be busted off or the whole thing taken away. Awful way to go, especially for a kid. ☹

Thanks for showing that it's the right thing to do to leave things where you found them and not take souvenirs. Well done.

4:25 that fridge is from the 1930's. The truck is a 1956 Chevrolet LCF, it was a ginpole truck.

Really enjoy your shows. keep up the good work. Just remember where you came from and how and why people like your shows. Most people creating shows have forgot their start and being humble, and where they came from, And at that point the shows become unwatchable. Keep up the good work, keep it true to its form as now and you will go a long way with your endeavors. Just an old man's opinion.

@WesternMineDetective

Жыл бұрын

You're totally right! I try to stick to my roots and why I started making vids in the first place. And that's the for the love of history

Neat wreck find. You can identify the make and model of it by finding a piece with a part number on it. The prefix of that part number will identify the plane. You can search for that prefix list on the net. Another clue that may help is to know what bases or gunnery ranges are close by. That projectile looks like something from the wreck and looks like it cooked off and wasn't fired. That type of ammo was widely used in the 50's-70's on aircraft equipped with 20mm Vulcan cannons. Practice ammo is usually blue but sometimes black. Anything yellow or red or looks like it has a screw on tip is leaveitaloneite. If you can ID the aircraft and the local bases/ranges, you will most likely be able to find a wreck report on it.

Such a cool explore, and great job finding that crash site! I think you were in the impact area. Because the site was cleaned up and all the big chunks gone it tends to indicate a relatively recent crash, say the last 30 years. Titanium started to be widely used in 1950's military jets. Looks like an access cover door you found early on. The Cartridge/Pneumatic find is an excellent clue, verifying it's military; engine starter systems use this when there is limited ground support equipment around. Because the castings you found are quite heavy and the debris field is large we may be looking at a cold war era bomber. For a better look I use Google Earth going back in time to previous imaging and look for little white reflections.

I love your channel. Just found it and binge watching your content. I like that you study the history of your adventures before going. Great job!

Just a heads up. The ammo that you found by the mine was just the projectile (bullet) from a 20 mm cannon round. The F-4E that crashed had that very same caliber of rotary cannon called the M-61and I'm suspecting that the "bullet" of that round came from the crashed aircraft. At the impact velocity of a jet you could probably find them all over. As the M-61 was situated under the nose and back a bit I also wouldn't be surprised if any part of that cannon were in the ground at the point of impact along with more of those rounds and any heavier parts that weren't removed by the military. Sometimes it wasn't worth the effort to dig up things when the crash cause was already known/easily determined.

I REALLY LIKE THE WAY YOU TREAT ARTIFACTS,YOU PUT THEM DOWN GENTLY INSTEAD OF THROWING DOWN..GOOD JOB!..BTW WHEN YOU PUT GLASS BOTTLES,CUPS DOWN,YOU SHOULD PUT THEN OPENING END DOWN..IF UP WATER CAN FILL THEM,THEY FREEZE AND CRACK..STAY AWESOME..GREAT EXPLORE..

Bravo Jerith! First, it is great to have you back out exploring and videoing! That column of copper was stunning! And a very cool find on the 20mm! I know that excitement of finding such stuff! Oh, the melons are Coyote Gourds. Not edible by humans. Can't wait to see where your next adventure leads you to! As always, thanks for sharing with us.

@WesternMineDetective

Жыл бұрын

Hey Charlene, thanks for the comment! That 20 mm round was quite the surprise glad to have come across it. Going on another adventure tomorrow so super excited about that. Cheers!

Hi Jerith, the cabin was a nice find, it looks like a work in progress perhaps ??. I agree with you that it might be a military plane crash just for all the green on some of the metal and of course the 20mm round gives it away, I think the reason you didn't find the engine or bigger pieces is because they were all gathered up and taken away for analysis as to what happened, hopefully the pilot ejected or his body was found. Those copper minerals were very cool, I love the blue colour, it is just so vivid. Thank you for sharing, much love. xx ❤

@josephdaiglejr8509

Жыл бұрын

Actually all aircraft have the light green paint its a primer sealer coating on the metal to prohibit oxidation even civilian aircraft

@SueGirling68

Жыл бұрын

@@josephdaiglejr8509 Oh okay, thanks for the info, I didn't know. x

Great video bro,really enjoy seeing the places and things you find. Cheers from Australia 👍

Great video. That was cool to see the mines, the crash site and the miners cabin.

Leaf springs have nothing to do with a super comfortable ride. They’re meant to carry a lot of weight.

Awesome finds. That is great cabin so cool. Thanks for an amazing video

I just liked and subscribed because this was an awesome video!!! Outstanding job!!! Thanks for sharing your amazing adventures with us!!!

The reason you are only finding small fragments is because it has been blown to pieces with explosives deliberately on the ground or in the air. If you look at the pieces they are torn, not something you see from an impact

Great explore. Thanks for sharing!

That was more like a 20mm cannon projectile. Great tour, thanks!

Thanks and keep up the good work. Much appreciated.

always good videos,glad you was able to give your knee a break and not be climbing ladders all day inside those mines,your knee definatly needs a break,climbing ladders will hurt your knees really bad after a while.,any videos you want to do is always very good

Thanks for the cool explore!

Nice find! Hopefully it will stay restored.

Be amazing to have you come to Oregon and check out some of the old mines on land my grandparents own.

Thats an instance where a drone would come in handy to scout the debris field. Then again, all the larger pieces were recovered. However, fascinating to come along for the search! Some really interesting pieces and the highlight was certainly the projectile!

Sad, but excellent video. Thank you.

Cool fines. I laughed at that one mine all being slanted to one side like that, I’m wondering if that miner had a peg leg or something!🤣

I love your respect, a rare thing to find these days! Thank you for sharing, new sub here! Oops just found out Im already subbed lool!

The refrigerator is most likely from around the 40s or earlier. The wiring is possibly 1920s and is called knob and tube. The wire should have a cloth type insulation.

Thanks for posting be safe

Nice finds! Cool content! Congrats from Chile 🇨🇱

@ManannanmacLir69

Жыл бұрын

Chilean Nazi?

Great video content matey

That had to have been a very high speed impact to have the parts so spread out and in such small fragments. As someone else in the comments said, the larger pieces were probably removed by the authorities. The piece you picked up that you thought was part of an exhaust looked to me to be part of a jet engine combustor, but there’s just not enough to be certain.

Super cool video keep safe 👍

This is why I love Mondays!

@WesternMineDetective

Жыл бұрын

Hell yeah bro! Thanks for stopping by. Can't wait for the next explore with ya

thanks for sharing

I don't know about the crash; but as a former AF guy - it appears to be very high energy with the dispersal of the wreckage, the smallness of the pieces, and all seem to have trauma. Note: Your "starter or cartridge" piece -- most likely came from the engine - and probably a jet. Cold War bombers (and 135s) had starter cartridges to start the engines in quick time. Curious to know which crash it is -- I don't know of any "missing' Cold War crashes.

20mm aircraft cannon projectile. Good explore.

What an awesome video

Probably a ground target or a drone used for live fire practice. If your where I think, there are three Air Force or Navy weapons test sites close by. I was surprised that adit/stope turned out that big. Thanks for the adventure.

Fun stuff! Thanks! 👍👍👍👊😎

Try to look for part #'s on aircraft wreckage debris. P/N' s can tell so much about an aircraft aerobody.

Watching this video now and they are pretty cool. But I just want to say be careful out there if you are alone. That is now people go missing and are never heard from again. Fall down one of those mine shafts and it's over. Anyway, that being said if I was 30 plus years younger I could see myself out there as well. Say safe out there.

Went to the crash site of a small plane on the continental divide in NM once. There was hardly anything left. Small pieces like you are finding. It think it crashed in the late 40's or early 50's best I can recall.

Looks like a 56 Chevy I’d pick that up

Nice video

If it's that old, the pieces you were finding were most likely stainless steel. It also has the blue/purple heat oxidation like titanium.

Cartridge/Pneumatic starter is from the engine. It allowed for alert starts using a coffee can sized cartridge packed full of explosives that were set off in a controlled way to rotate the jet engine during start.

Nice XJ!

@zanehayes4380

8 ай бұрын

Yes! I can’t un-see a fellow XJ enjoyer

Great explore, thanks! Have you thought about taking a little drone with you to help scout out an area? Sure enough most of the enjoyment is to look around and discover as you explore. Just an idea!

@WesternMineDetective

Жыл бұрын

I have definitely considered getting a drone one of these days, just haven't felt the need for it yet. Hiking is king but if I wanted to quickly survey an area without losing much daylight a drone would be great. Thanks for watching!

@derekmahon1652

Жыл бұрын

@@WesternMineDetective thanks for sharing your adventures! I'm into caving so I enjoy seeing the rock formations you find.

Those are buffalo gourds. pretty neat not something you would want to eat but, if you dry it out you could make a pretty neat little bottle.

1950-60's jet. Prob a F-100. They cleaned it up as best they could, fill up cargo nets with bigger parts haul off with helicopter same with big chunks. 20mm projectile doesn't look fired, quick way to know is the driving band it will have rifling marks if fired.

The spark plug on the desk is part of the jet!

Would love to know the coords to this. There is one near Silver Peak in Esmeralda County NV too. Have a memorial for it and everything there. Spent years patrolling the back roads of the county and there is no shortage of abandoned mines large and small that are all easily accessible. One thing to note for military crash sites. A lot of the smaller debris can come from when they may scuttle it. A lot of times if it is not worth it for them to try to remove a wreckage, they will remove anything they can of sensitive nature and then set explosives on the rest and make sure it can not be reused or reverse engineered. We had a Navy SAR helicopter from Fallon crash just outside of the county on the White Mountains two years ago. They sent teams up to hike to it and flew in more. They were going to set explosives if they were not able to lift it out with a Chinook. Also the round you found was just the head of the round. It would be pressed into the casing, just like the lead on a handgun round.

One of the pieces looked like off a mid 20th century or earlier propeller craft. What's the protocol on something like this? You call it in to the rangers/parks dpmt? Might solve a mystery and bring closure to surviving loved ones. Judging by the wreckage high speed impact and explosion.

Have a snake bite kit and a good first-aid kit to be safe, and maybe a good caliber pistol .

As for the squash, are they native plants or did some bring pumpkins out there at one time for target practice? I read on another channel once that sometimes people do that then they grow from the seeds.

Yep irresistible force takes on immovable solid object ouch....the size of the debris field and all that metal torn apart like paper tells its own story it was a hard hit indeed

Definitely Cold War era crash, not WW2. Good video.

That is a 55 to 57 chevy 2 ton truck

Too bad you didn't spend the night in that miners shack, it's haunted, been there in the 1980s with some friends and had a paranormal experience there, this was before any of the restorations that you see now.

Thanks for the upload. why didn't you tell us what was written on the note left on that table for all who enter th4e cabin? that would have been interesting/

A little duct tape, bailing wire and bondo and that truck would be as good as new. lol. The shaft looks big enough that you might be able to fly a drone down it. Would be cool to hit some of those minerals with a black light.

What is the square metal plate that you turn an ore car around on? Slick sheet slip sheet turn plate? I don't know and am sure there is a proper term?

The USAF does a great job in cleaning up crash debris, but not a “perfect” job. 👍

Weird how the house is on a "hilltop" by itself.

Cartridge Pneumatic starter (part of the piston engine)

@WesternMineDetective

Жыл бұрын

Awesome info! Thanks alot.

Argus are you sure it couldn't be a F100 super saber from the heat coloration in the metal I would agree it looks like Titanium and from the paint color on some of the pieces it looks like the paint scheme of the Super Sabers of the 70's and 80's which used titanium in the build of those aircraft

That plain exploded on impact.

I can’t imagine a helicopter crash having enough velocity to reduce it down to only pieces that size.

The old style wiring on the cabin ceiling joists is known as Knob and Post.

@Dog.soldier1950

Жыл бұрын

Actually “knob and tube”

The cold war era plane crash was a separate video and more recent, right? I'm not seeing it here. Maybe I missed it?

I’m really surprised you don’t keep a repelling “kit” in your Jeep.

May they rest in peace.

When yoou sy that you are out in the desert, would it be too much trouble to say "where" in the desert so that some of us might go visit these places.

Is that aircraft #43-9821 near mountain pass? A Douglas A-20G Havoc

@Desert_Explorer75

Жыл бұрын

Wrong terrain for that aircraft if you compare it to the actual crash site photos

Looks like they might have had those rocks to the upper right of the screen cut into a ladder.

Is that your Jeep XJ? how about a little more information about it . I've had three. they've served very well

@WesternMineDetective

Жыл бұрын

It is! It's a 93 4.0L, 5 speed manual. Pretty awesome rig for sure

@kencmorrison6430

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad you got the five-speed on this last one I got an automatic and lost a lot of power and control because of it.

If we knew what area of the desert your in, locating crash site would be possible.

Undocumented infers it was documented at one time but documents were destroyed. The words you were looking for is not documented however being as how you are only finding small pieces I'm going to guess it was not only documented but recovered

23:40 exhaust nozzle, all those parts in this area looks like pieces of the engine.

Flatbed 5700 probably 2 ton or more model, and it wou.d ride hard and stiff

Your lucky you didn't get stung by a scorpion rooting around those areas.

It appears as if it was shot or exploded in flight and disentigrated. Based on the size of pieces found so small and no earth scar from an impact.

All you need is a part number to figure out what it is.

The instant I saw that truck I recognised it a 57 Chevy flat bed truck a shame it’s been used as target practice and now looks like Swiss cheese. Other than that i think with a lot of work it could still be saved.

That was probably magnesium tipped 20mm bullet? Lights things on fire on impact.

Imagine what the old duffer looked like grabing gears in that waste land

You should never go into a mine by yourself never know what can happen great video

looks like a .50 round of ammo from the airplane

Big Horn Mine

Where did it hit the ground at ??

That looks calapsed be careful inside.Use caution please?

Why don't you sign the log book?