I wish my father could have heard this man while he was alive, would have changed so much.

Dr. Walton is showing the value of understanding what was understood by the ancients around the time Genesis was written . Joe Fleener is giving the evolution of the human mental development as discoveries were made.

@speechgirl36

4 жыл бұрын

I’m glad you saw that too! I kept wondering why Fleener started quoting from Greco-Roman sources when the text was written for people 1,500 years BEFORE that culture...which is, of course, the basis of our modern culture. I’m not sure he understood the debate premise.

"John Walton - Origins Today - Genesis Through Ancient Eyes" Is the video you need, guys, for the pictures

This was very educational. He's very articulate. :-)One tip I have is because I'm very visual seeing the material would keep my attention a little bit more and would help me have a fuller understanding. Besides that I was highly impressed. :)

Very clear thinker and communicator, thank you for sharing.

would be handy to see the material on the screen

@Joesfosterdogs

9 жыл бұрын

agreed!!!

@louisanna30

9 жыл бұрын

Yup, that would have been nice.

@deadtoselfShema

6 жыл бұрын

For some reason the camera persons of these videos of Biblical teachers think the teacher is the focus even if the teacher tells them to aim at the PowerPoint presentation when they are using it. Most camera people don't know how to record teachers.

@mikeknevelbaard6338

3 жыл бұрын

Please, so we would have the context of your point

@Adam-to9gp

2 жыл бұрын

This is just a functional KZread video ;)

Really exciting review on interpretation. The conundrum of other contemporaneous inhabitants in the linear story is dealt with in the best hypothesis I’ve ever heard.

Obviously Fleener didn’t craft his talk to address this specific talk by Walton in this very moment, but it didn’t sound like Walton was denying material origin in any sense. He was simply saying that the writers angle was not centered around materialism. I don’t really get why Fleener kept bringing up how all the other church fathers were able to pull things about the material from the Genesis account. Of course you can do that, but doesn’t mean it should be the central focus. The parallels between the Garden of Eden and the tabernacle/temple are STAGGERING. That alone should tell you that the focus of the author is pointed towards something specific. 7 days creation sequence, 7 day temple inauguration, the geographical location of the garden as it relates to the rest of earth, the point of God’s rest… it’s clear to me that the author was going after a particular angle and to settle in on material creation (in my opinion) is all you have to focus on when you don’t consider the heavy cultural influence.

who is the guy saying hello in the background.

@ravissary79

5 жыл бұрын

I thought he was saying "go on" or "amen"... but after a bit it sounded mote like "mooo". So I have no idea. Tourets?

@Tr4pSt3R1

4 жыл бұрын

I nearly stopped watching the video because it was driving me "nuts". I repented because that's a very inconsiderate and an unchristian thing to do.

@killthebuddha5034

4 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing it's driving me insane as well and I'm going to turn the video off because of it.... I think he's having a seizure

@bassmanjr100

3 жыл бұрын

I have a teenage boy with Autism and I could see him doing this. I would have pulled him out but if you do not have a special needs child I will say you will NEVER understand what it is like. It is a wonderful blessing and it tries your patience to its end at the same time.

I feel you when it comes to learning

What is the significance of hand bags in New Zealand's Culture?

Just wish that person in the background would have kept quiet. It’s distracting.

@potterylady44

Жыл бұрын

I think he is disabled. He's at the front.

Thank you for the succint explanation of why when God Yahweh said that it was not good for a man to be alone - he was not criticising his own creation - God was merely stating the obvious that a man would not function as God intended, for him to procreate and take care of the planet unless God created alongside him a helpmeet - a woman. So much theology is missed unless we are prepared to be humble and listen to the wisdom of others.

We have given ALL authority through the person of HIS SON Yeshua!

After I heard the presentations, I was really curious to hear John Walton's response to what Joe Fleener said. I found a link on Joe Fleener's blog, in a comment to this post: joefl.wordpress.com/2013/07/18/reading-genesis-1-3-with-the-church-my-presentation-understanding-genesis-1-3-a-dialogue-with-dr-john-walton-and-joe-fleener/

The only point I got from this was the meaning of "rest", now to see if it's true.

Maybe I’ll read the book if all the video teachings have this tone and volume.

wise words

I like the idea of a text analyst instead of being a theologian because if we take the text literally and try to understand it we can get closer to the truth of the Bible and that is getting closer to the truth about who we are and where we're going in about life in general.

Was this at a purse convention???

@singlemanreads.6763

6 жыл бұрын

Jerry Riggins 😆😆😆 why are they on the walls?

@ravissary79

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe they took an offering earlier, but with a new potent sermon on giving it all... and some people took it too far, symbolically nailing their purses to the cross as a sacrifice.

@rubywedderburn6528

5 жыл бұрын

I literally came to the comments section to see if anyone else was curious about the 👛 s🤔

@kshavo

4 жыл бұрын

Funny!

@ghostl1124

Жыл бұрын

Buy my book, buy my book, buy my book............ But if you won't buy my book, then buy a purse !

That backdrop though!?

He spoke His cosmic geography.

(20:51) We must take this man serious. You CAN indeed cook a fish with the scripture. He said it, I believe it. Most critically and importantly, Dr.Walton has drawn our attention something that has been neglected. The deep themes which are MOST important to see. That which God intended to communicate and what we should care more of. Thank you Dr.Walton.

I like the video but the speaker doesn't need the person in the background chanting in agreement with him every minute or so.

@deezynar

6 жыл бұрын

The person talking in the background is intelectually challenged. His caretaker probably couldn't get someone to watch him, so they had to bring him.

What Joe Fleener is not telling us about the early Church Fathers, is that they don't know Hebrew They are not Old Testament Theologians...

@ravissary79

5 жыл бұрын

No but they received scripture in its cultural context of direct transmission, first from the Jews to Jews to Jews, then Jews to early Christians. When to use read Augustine there's a clear ideological break. Not only did he NOT know Hebrew either, but he has no ideological connection to a first century Jewish devout lense. He didn't even understand the bible at all till he interpreted through Plato. He was a gnostic, and the biblical worldview was weird to him so he allegorized the old testament. Origin did this as well, but at least he was more speculative about it. He inherited 3 influences. 1)- the Johannine tradition directly from teacher to student to student to student. 2)- Philo and plato (he was deeply culturally enmeshed with the alexandrian philosophical tradition) 3)- access the numerous texts, he could read Greek and Hebrew, etc. But he read these older sources we no longer have through an alexandrian lense. But some of the earliest church fathers clearly have a more semitic view of scripture, avoided overly philosophical speculations, and kept it simple.

Great presentation ...

@princeegypt8642

7 жыл бұрын

please

@kenroycampbell3745

7 жыл бұрын

any student who has formal training in Hebrew Bible knows that Genesis must be place in its historical context (ANE)

@princeegypt8642

7 жыл бұрын

what do you mean Ricardo?

@kenroycampbell3745

5 жыл бұрын

​@@princeegypt8642 the Old Testament was written in the ancient Near East. As such, the cultural understanding of that time is very important to help to correctly interpret any text in the OT. The OT was written in ancient Hebrew and Aramaic which means that a knowledge of these languages are very important to the Understanding of the OT. Every language has been borne out of cultures which means that words have no meaning outside of their cultural/linguistic contexts

Show us the pictures. We don't know what you are talking about without them.

@ravissary79

5 жыл бұрын

What pictures?

Genesis 2 can be both "synoptic" and "sequel" of chapter 1. It does not have to be either one or the other.

@dustinkfc6633

2 жыл бұрын

No it’s contradictory!

@otisarmyalso

4 ай бұрын

Adam was certainty not 1st man. Scripture means what it says & says what it means. So when Jesus said from the beginning of the creation God made them male & female’ also.. ‘he which made them at the beginning made them male & female’.. Gen1:1 Mk10:6 Matt19:4 Mk13:19 Heb1:10 The wonderful thing about believing holy scripture is freedom from doubt. This act to which Jesus referred was: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male & female created he them & God blessed them’, & God said to them, “Be fruitful, & multiply, & replenish the earth, & subdue it: & have dominion over the fish of the sea, & over the fowl of the air, & over every living thing that moves upon the earth & God said, Behold, I have given you EVERY. ( Yes here it says every read all inclusive ) herb yielding seed which is upon the face of all the earth, & EVERY tree, ( Yes here it says every read all inclusive) in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for food.” Gen1:27-29 But when God made Adam and placed him in GARDEN God was very specific ; And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: ] But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. Genesis 2:16-19 Adam was specifically told v2:17 not eat of Tree knowledge of good and evil. Gen1 and Gen2 are separate accounts. Time betwixt 2event unspecified Jesus was clear also. For He did not say from time of Garden He made Adam and Eve. But rather Jesus spoke on this wise. from the beginning of the creation God made them male & female’ also.. ‘he which made them at the beginning made them male & female Not Adam and Eve, not from the time of garden. Jesus meant what was said and said what he meant Adam and Eve were not in the creation... accept that scripture means what is said and says what it means Man in Gen1 was made From nothing Ex-Nehlio... Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. Yet Adam in Gen2 was formed from dust of ground and Eve was formed from Adam's rib... thus Adam and Eve of Gen2 are not made Ex-nehlio from nothing as were the man and woman in the beginning thus Gen1 and Gen2 are completely different events😂

I will agree that Genesis 1 is a home story. However, you cannot have a home without a house. So Genesis 1 is also a house story, but MUCH MORE than just a house story: it is a creation story but much more: it is the story of the Creator. Because the temple is where God rest, the making and the content of the temple is very important. Thank you for posting this message. Shalom

@qwerty-so6ml

Жыл бұрын

You teach in error. James 3:1 is your warning. Only ONE Gospel: Gospel of Reconciliation. Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself. We are the fallen angels kept in DNA chains of darkness. If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Lucifer's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever. Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of God.

@ShinaWatson-gt6vf

Жыл бұрын

Genesis 1 is the new world after the great flood .

Well done Joe. You don't need to be a professional academic to understand the truth. Your analysis was far more clearer than Walton's.

@treksevent5865

5 жыл бұрын

Too much reference from others. No own knowledge.

A lot of problems with Fleener's presentation IMO. He appeals to way too many Hellenized sources to be taken seriously regarding ANE thought. When he finally gets to Egyptian or Babylonian thought - just because many people were illiterate does not mean that ancient writings do not accurately reflect the thought of the respective culture. I mean, his argument here is just blatantly illogical. His appeals to the Early Church Fathers are also flimsy, as I suspect that he doesn't agree with much of church theology prior to Luther. He's concerned about the clergy / laity problem raised by the alleged lack of clarity of Scripture created by a reliance on knowledge of Hebrew culture, but this is inconsistent with his admission that most people throughout history were illiterate! Throughout most of church history, most Christians didn't even have access to the Scriptures! If the Bible is so clear, why do we need people with theology degrees??? Wow. Definitely less than impressed with his arguments.

@princeegypt8642

7 жыл бұрын

He's talking about the ancient black man and woman. The mother and father of all human beings. Europeans try their best to describe to the world about us but he can't, only we know who we are.

@garlandjones7709

5 жыл бұрын

@@princeegypt8642 you're an idiot

@williambeaumont1312

5 жыл бұрын

Colour is irrelevant because people change skin colour according to their exposure, or lack thereof, to direct sunlight. The body manages skin colour unconsciously. Man was given the ability to change the colour of his skin at Creation, like the chameleon.

@P.H.888

4 жыл бұрын

Prince Egypt Adam means Red, not black.

@P.H.888

4 жыл бұрын

william beaumont boy George agrees with you ‼️

27:21 Finally, this is a great moment when Walton contends that Gen. 1:1 is a title and that this account is not creation ex nihlio 53:50 Relationship between Genesis 1 and 2

@ncusdachurch

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

The easy way to understand is to see that it is just a story written by people who had no idea of how the earth works. Apparently there are still people like that.

Would love to see a citation for the word "mind" actually meaning entrails in 19:20. Suppose that may be in one of his books or possibly in the Cultural Background Bible he helped edit... Sort of makes the whole Love God with all your heart soul and mind move in a different direction...

@robertc.hendrix8505

5 жыл бұрын

You might take a moment to actually listen to what the man said. And another putting some effort into answering your own question. Are you even familiar with Deut 6:5? - because your quote comes not from the Tanakh but from corrupt English translations of corrupt Greek manuscripts, which themselves are twice removed from the language of Messiah and at least as many removed from the language of Moshe. Compare Deut 30:9-10 or Lev 19:17 or Ps 13:2 with Job 37:1 or Ps 22:14 or Is 21:4.

@robertc.hendrix8505

5 жыл бұрын

entrails: a person or animal's internal organs

@williambeaumont1312

5 жыл бұрын

Can you make decisions without your whole body being involved?

@IngmarSweep

Жыл бұрын

There you're giving an example yourself... Love God with all your HEART which belongs to the entrails.

It’s sad that every time he talks about this, he has to start by defending himself and explaining cultural importance for half of his lecture. I’ve now watched about 10 of these, and he never has time to go completely through Genesis 1-3

@ulyssesmendez9832

4 жыл бұрын

I agree

Dr. Walton's argument self destructs before it begins. He begins by talking about how he does not have authoritative knowledge of the Bible when he talks about how he always learns something new from every reading, then his entire argument relies on his authority of interpretation. I appreciate his explanation of how Genesis describes the assigning of function and functionaries. I think it was quite well presented and beneficial to contribute to understanding Genesis more entirely, but his claim that it does not have anything to do with the physical creation is entirely unsupported in his presentation, is not presented logically (I will not go so far as to say that it was an illogical conclusion because he did not discuss any evidence, so I cannot say what convinced him), it arbitrarily creates a dichotomy which it does not require in order to be true and accurate, and he begins by saying that he is not an authority on the subject. While the rebuttal was not nearly as well presented, carried no significant information, and did not rebut this position adequately, it still seems to be the more logical and tenable position. That is, Dr. Walton makes very valid points about the Genesis story explaining the assignment of function, but while it is true, it is not the whole truth. The thing that I find most striking about the writing of the Bible is something he alludes to when he talks about his learning something new every time he reads it, it's that there are multiple layers of the truth in every verse, chapter and book. This is how you learn more from each successive reading, because you have a surface level naturalistic historical truth, then there's the allegorical truth, then there's the exposition of God's will and his methodology, it contains physical, metaphysical, and epistemological truths, and for all I know there are other aspects of the truth that I'm not equipped to notice yet, but Dr. Walton asserts that there is only one valid truth in Genesis. Jesus makes it a point to teach in parables. There is the surface level story, for example the one of the bird dropping seeds, and you can test the story physically, will the seed dropped on the side of the road grow, and you'll find that it's true on the surface level, then he explains it to his disciples that he is dropping the seeds of wisdom and depending on the soil of those who hear it will grow or wither, and even that truth can be taken further in that if you are infertile soil you must find a way to fertilize yourself and bring in nutrients for his seeds of wisdom. If the seed will grow on hard rock in direct sunlight and without water, then the parable no longer makes sense and is not an effective means of communicating the deeper truths of the message. Likewise, if the creation account does not explain literal creation accurately, then it is not an effective means of communicating the higher truth that God gave order in the first six days that on the seventh he might assume dominion, or rest. I thought the actual content of the lecture on the assigning functions was quite good and helps with explaining the second level of truth in the creation story, but I think that the blatant disregard for the surface truth of physical creation is dangerous and undercuts the ability to understand the whole truth.

@ruedigersens9888

4 жыл бұрын

I'm a reborn Christian and besides that a scientist familiar with quantum field theory, Relativity, cosmology, and psychoanalysis. There are e.x. many different levels of truth in particle physics that nearly "drive me crazy". I completely agree with you on the multi truth levels also to be found in the Bible! Maybe we can get into closer contact if you would like. greetings from Germany.

If the meaning of something is lost by reading the plain text as it is written, then how can a child, or the simple understand the Word of God? Psalm 119:130 "The unfolding of your words gives light; it gives understanding to the simple." I think the physical teaches us the spiritual. I think you get the deeper meaning when you understand the spiritual lesson/application than just reading the surface/physical text. But you would expect that if you were still on the 'milk' of the Word instead of the 'meat.' The milk is for children, the meat for adults. I'm not saying I disagree with him - I just don't think it's an all or nothing type of thing. I'm going to look up the word usages myself.

@princeegypt8642

7 жыл бұрын

The simple is the first time learner so he or she have no information of the sayings of God. Learning of God comes from the mind in man. God is a inner thought who can be seen in action through man or woman.

@DavesWatchLove

4 жыл бұрын

The meaning of Genesis 1 would be clear to any Hebrew child alive at that time. Our challenge is to get in their shoes so we can understand it as they did.

Is he saying that the universe always existed.?

@IngmarSweep

Жыл бұрын

No.

BOTH AND. That is always wise to be realized. But Walton must be considered more readily. We have neglected the function far too much for far too long.

Covenant Creation

that's the difference between doing exegesis Dr Walton vs imposing a theological system to the text (Fleener).

@Jamie-Russell-CME

4 жыл бұрын

that is unfair

@ghostl1124

Жыл бұрын

Dr. Walton, a man who won't accept the simple exegetical method, and goes astray. Fleener uses both exegesis and references several theologians that have done the same with better knowledge of the Jewish contextual setting.

43

“ Please all the toxic foods being produced and our Water And businesses markets they are in all Areas of our community and professionalism???

Nag hammadi scrolls explain a big lot

We are too free to interpret these stories. They were the art form of their day.

The tree of life is God himself.

you keep saying "read it like they did" So give an example already

Little did they know, the Bible was right all along!

Also, when Cain built a city, that doesn't mean that people are already present. He built a city, (buildings) not people. A city can still be a city if not inhabited. A city can be in ruins, not inhabited, but still be called a city. Sure a city attracts people once built but in my opinion, people are not a requirement for a city to be a city.

@princeegypt8642

7 жыл бұрын

Cain did not build a city because the pyramids was already built by our African Egyptian fathers.

@redpilledtrooper7523

4 жыл бұрын

@@princeegypt8642 actually the first city was built in Sumer. A city called Eridu is right near the persian gulf and is known as the first city in civilization. Egypt was also constantly conquered and occupied by a variety of nations and powers. But Mesopotamia is far older. Eridu also has the oldest and largest ziggurat, which is a step pyramid. It is believed that Eridu is the city built not by Cain but by his son Enoch. The wording is rather odd when it describes Cain. It says he went into the land of Nod, and had a son Enoch... And built a city and named it after his son. It seems more likely Enoch built a city and named it after his son Irad. So you are wrong.

13:15.... the Thunderboltsproject.

Why not just consider the substance and reasonableness of the position instead of bickering about where someone attended college or stroking yourself about how discerning and superior you are. The subject is the text and the historical and contextual implications surrounding it. We're just trying to consider the narrative more honestly and intelligently, not listen to a distracting and petty, childish argument about who has a "better" Ph.D.

@ghettofreeze

8 жыл бұрын

+Lou Ross Partly because some Ph.D.s ARE better. Do you actually believe that a Princeton Ph.D. like the one Bart Ehrman earned deserves the same status as a Ph.D. from an unaccredited bible college? Nevertheless, I agree 100% with you about how the quality of evidence trumps credentials. Ehrman recently published a very bad book about the historicity of Jesus of Nazareth. I admire Ehrman tremendously for his other work only because of his scholarship--and not for his education. But I'm at a loss to understand how he could publish the Jesus book.

@GENESIS-3

7 жыл бұрын

ghettofreeze - Bart Ehrman published the book about Jesus because he realized - on the one hand Jesus is historical - but on the other hand - he was terribly fabricated, on top of that. Also - as Christianity has affected our civilization, he found it more real to turn away from being an evangelical "born again" Christian - and felt that as an historian he could elaborate on how to more seriously really understand and know more about the N T. I agree with him on that point. The only difference is he thought the only solution was to altogether leave the Jewish Bible to. That was in his case understandable - but also a mistake. Tanach is the original Bible and you do not have to leave faith in God - just because you lose faith in the N T. Actually I think he is used of God - even if he would not see it so himself.

7:40 archaeologists~ also looters and plunderers... So often the same thing... How long after someone dies is it before going in and taking the late person's belongings becomes archaeology instead of grave robbing? An awful lot of _archaeological discoveries_ have wound up in people's _private collections._

He lost me a bit before 1:02:48 We are all formed from dust, Adam was formed from dust, we came through woman but Adam did not? So we are not from dust...But we are?

@truethinker221

6 жыл бұрын

Not dust but clay. Like pottery or a mold.

@lilianaroman8402

6 жыл бұрын

truethinker thanks, but I'm not thinking about what material we are made of. I'm wondering if we are from Adam since eve was of his rib or the dust that Adam is from? There is also signs that Adam and eve weren't the only people when they were banished. So how many of us are actually from Adam and eve?

@truethinker221

6 жыл бұрын

Back to your statement . The reason is said clay is Adam is not just a name but Is the Hebrew word for Man Human, Red Clay or Humus, soil, Human. Latin. root. We could contend that Human Beings (Adam and Eve) were created on day six at the same time Gen 1;27 and the Special Human, The Adam was set in a Garden, Paradise, and represents the Human Race on a spiritual level as the Prototype for the conscious Godly man with Free choice, and the ability to see. Therefor making Him (her) responsible for wrong behavior (desiring independence) and needing redemption.

@isabenakilonzo3812

4 жыл бұрын

Read Torah Adam was not a human!

The key to understand the rest of the Bible - is to first understand Genesis chapter three. The question is - if there is no original sin there - and thereby no need for a solution - then there is neither a need for a N T savior. That leave us with the Hebrew Bible Tanach and the question - if that may not be enough? If that is true - the Jews has been right all the time. It's the point I have come to myself. What about if you take the same position?

I think this line of thinking assumes a certain inability of ancient man to understand certain concepts. The same ancient man that built structures with remarkable mathematical precision in alignment with celestial bodies is the same ancient man we're assuming that God didn't bother correcting their cosmology because they couldn't understand it? Uh, seems to me that Genesis would've been the perfect time for God to set the record straight on how things actually were vs. what they had learned in Egypt. I understand everything in the Bible isn't literal, i.e., when the spies went into Canaan and said that they were as grasshoppers in the sight of the inhabitants there, it didn't literally mean that the Canaanites looked at them and saw grasshoppers. Genesis, specifically the creation account, has no such language in my opinion and everything written there is stated more as a fact. If the simple facts of creation are viewed through this lens of God not taking the time to correct the cosmology of a people incapable of understanding, then nothing else written after that can be trusted. I think what it really comes down to is this idea, "The Bible says the world is physically one way, but we know better". And since what's written doesn't agree with what's been "discovered" then we have to explain why it was written that way. So when God dictated the Torah to Moses, Moses was too stupid to understand the idea of a globe earth orbiting the sun floating through space, yet my 9 year old 3rd grader has no trouble with it. Makes total sense.

They are all running round the same place,mamamia

17:00 Preach!

The idea of a functional creation, by Dr Walton, is exciting but I submit that the thesis is limping: It does not address what the Bible says about the material creation. It leaves unanswered the question of God's justice in ascribing sin to the whole race of created beings contemporary to Adam. If God is just only Adam and Eve (as Archetypes according to Walton) will be the sinners and not the whole race of their contemporaries. I think we ought to take the Bible in its simplicity because otherwise we will say that it can only be rightly understood by the ancients, which is untrue. I'd say both the functional and the material creations are addressed but I don't agree with the notion of Adam and Eve as archetypes but that they were the first and only beings then. Many questions may not be answered by this position but it does not challenge God's character of justice mercy and love.

@gregalexis4982

8 жыл бұрын

Sin was not ascribed per se to the whole world it was more of an inherited nature. Adam carries the seed and just as the trees and animals he produced seed of his own kind. His nature changed so therefore consuming or eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. He affected His nature and begat the dualistic creature that is man today. We can only produce what it within us so what was in Adam was the fruit he ate and the effects of it. The day Adam ate He surely died and His offspring died as well.

@gregalexis4982

8 жыл бұрын

Sin was not ascribed per se to the whole world it was more of an inherited nature. Adam carries the seed and just as the trees and animals he produced seed of his own kind. His nature changed so therefore consuming or eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. He affected His nature and begat the dualistic creature that is man today. We can only produce what it within us so what was in Adam was the fruit he ate and the effects of it. The day Adam ate He surely died and His offspring died as well.

@irinbon6207

6 жыл бұрын

Right. The Bible, is as written, relevant today as it was yesterday. To me this does not mean that it was written in a way that it was only relevant to the ancients and we must see everything through the eyes of the ancient people. Because if that is the case, then we are screwed. Nobody truely knows what the ancients were thinking. We only know what the Bible says.

@Solideogloria00

5 жыл бұрын

Irin Bon I think you're misunderstanding. It is crucial to interpret the Bible in it's context(historical, social, etc). We are actually screwed if every generation keeps coming up with a new interpretation based on their new worldview. That would be playing with God's word to make it say what we want to hear and not what it actually says. Most Christians who have taken a basic Hermeneutics class understand context is crucial. God bless you

@garlandjones7709

5 жыл бұрын

@Philip the world wasn't created formless and void. That's scriptural fact. 1:1 and 1:2 have a gap in between them. Genesis 1:1 I would contend is not the 1st of creation either but a RE

The person in the audience is really distracting..

@WatchingUntiltheEnd

Жыл бұрын

UGGGHHH

Pastor Joe Fleener, isn’t correct that Genesis one verse one is just a heading. Dr. Doug Petrovich explains creation word by word and explains why it was written this way starting from verse one chapter 1. I believe this is more accurate than what Pastor Joe it’s putting out there pastor Joe is more wishy-washy We have to get back to the true meaning of the Bible the inerrant word of God

The NT writers saw the OT in ways we dont. Bit we can still take the plain meaning. Always consider the Genesis account when reading everything. Jesus used ideas from Genesis in His parables. If they mention days or creation, consider isaiah 46 and 48, it opens up wide.

23 minutes, in and I have not a clue as to the message......

I agree that Genesis 1 the creation account is explaining function. But, to blatantly disregard the CLEAR teaching that it is also describing God creating things material things is absurd. How can you miss that unless you have a personal agenda against the clear teaching of scripture.

As long as you understand Genesis 1 was copied fro the earlier Sumerians Epic of Creation then that's okay.

I like the fact no one interpreted the Bible for me. I am satisfied with my understanding that when ADAM(all humans) it's about a humanity. Some of which lived in the Garden of EDEN REALM land in the east. Yet more inhabit the lands beyond EDEN going to the west HAWILAH (Americas); KUSH (Australia); ASSHUR(ASIA); and NOD(Africa) coming full circle to the Atlantic (Eden). I have read this Bible since 1968 (8years old) and am satisfied with my understanding. No one else's explanation, THANK YHWH!. But really perplexed how people go beyond the Bible by using their opinions based on some other ideas invented by man or their faulty understanding of science to make dumb assumptions that mislead many people's

@dawnkerridge9500

Жыл бұрын

Eden disappeared/or was hidden from and them, and their future generations after our first parents disobeyed the words of the Living God

He’s not a text analyst if he reads only English

Fair enough the shape of the earth is a secondary issue but I don't believe God lied about earths shape or ANYTHING simply to accommodate His audience. God tells the truth and it's down to us, the audience to adapt to His word, not for Him to adapt to our understanding.

@ravissary79

5 жыл бұрын

He's not saying he lied.

@potterylady44

Жыл бұрын

​@@ravissary79exactly...wow

Huh?????

A dual lecture on how to ramble on and talk about stuff. The more I listen to Walton, the more I find that he makes some points, but overall, he is eccentric and not a normal exegete. He makes some wrong and confusing conclusions. One of them is that he seems to indicate that Adam was not the first man. Hmmmm. Most all exegetes disagree with that.

@potterylady44

Жыл бұрын

I see what you mean. But think about this...everyone God used He pulled out from among other people. Seth...Enoch...Noah...Abraham...Moses....the Kings and prophets...the Messiah...everylast one of them were among a group of people and then God pulled that person out from the others and used them. So from what II read in Genesis He did that same thing. They were pulled out from among the other folks into the garden or into His presence. Given roles to be priests (just like Aaron's line were) over the other people there. It's an interesting way to see it but it is there.

Is this heresy? Are we all so focused on interpreting ancient texts, instead of becoming better Christians? As I show now, John is wrong and obviously hasn't done his research. John initially tells us we have a problem, if we think we know everything, then continues to dogmatically instruct us that his view is absolute. As a scientist I feel certain John is wrong (my perspective) and the creation narrative has much more cosmological significance than he realises. Not that it's important, as we should be focusing on being better Christians. John however suggests the ancient people had no idea that the stars and planets were objects, when that is totally inaccurate. The Sumerians clearly depict the Sun as a round central body, with the planets in our solar system in orbit around it, they also believed that a giant planet called nibiru was orbiting our sun, something which NASA now believes and is actually searching for. John also refers to the Egyptians not knowing what the lights in the sky were, but he's ignored the fact that the Egyptians aligned the pyramids with the stars, they talked about different planets, new stars were objects and were big on astrology. John's overly simplistic 'theory' could in some ways be classed as heretical, but we should remember it's only his point of view and he's entitled to it. The takeaway with this lecture is obvious,,, it is a waste of time. Not just this lecture, but a waste of time for any Christian to spend hours musing over the meaning of the Old Testament, instead of spending that time trying to make themselves a better person, or in helping someone in need. Christians devote hours trying to interpret the Word, which as can be seen from this lecture, is so open to interpretation and misinterpretation, that it truly is a waste of your time. The translations from Hebrew to Greek and then English etc also vary immensely, there are countless versions, but even just one word can make an enormous difference to a verses meaning. Attempting to understand the Bible does not help you to feel closer to God, the confusion it creates causes discord and disharmony. I believe this is why Christ left us with but two Commandments, to love God with all our heart and all our soul, And our neighbour as ourselves. Adhering to these two Commandments presents a lifetime of challenges alone, especially loving your neighbor as yourself! If 99% of Christians spent 99% of their time working on loving their neighbour instead of pouring over scripture, the world would be a much better place! As it is, they spend so much time arguing over interpretation that you can't even get Christians to love one another, even though they all believe in Christ! There's 40,000+ different denominations who all believe the Bible slightly differently, but think they are right! That's one of the reasons they didn't originally translate the Bible into English, so everyone could make up their own mind on their heart. Now there's so much disharmony among Christians and, Evangelists, so called born again Christians appear to be the worst of all. They spend so much time learning Bible passages to quote in order to make themselves feel superior, but then they judge and condemn all other Christian denominations. They seem to forget that Baptists, Catholics, Anglicans and 7th Day Adventists etc etc etc are all Christians too. All trying their best in their own way. Most interestingly, all these other denominations were only started, due to their pastor having a difference in Biblical 'interpretation' and deciding to create his own Church. This was probably another reason Jesus only gave us 2 commandments and why, at least as far as we can tell, Jesus did not carry around scrolls and preach the Old Testament all the time! There was a reason He taught us the importance of taking the rod out of our own eye and avoiding judging others! Yet how many people practice this? In many ways John's theory is totally obvious and while interesting to hear his perspective, that's all it is. Rather than listening to this lecture and others, it would be far better to spend an hour praying and meditating on becoming less judgemental and more accepting, less gossipy and more thoughtful, and more like Him and less like Satan. For it's Satan who wants us to complain, condemn and criticize other Christians/non Christians, but it's Christ who asks us to love one another. Unless we try to be more like Him, we end up being more like Satan! Think about it, how many times a day you judge, curse, criticize or gossip about someone (that's Satan). Compare that with how many times you speak kindly, show compassion, kindness or love to your neighbour! Reviewing this will quickly allow you to see who is in your heart more, Satan Or Christ! Remember you can study the Bible all you like, but how is that helping you, if you're still a terrible person. If a non Christians hears you, will that make them want to become a Christian, or call you a hypocrite? We have to lead by example.in the way we live, not by quoting scriptures. Working on ourselves, praying for guidance and wisdom, has to be the most important part of being a Christian. Then when others meet us and see how we live, they too will want Christ in their hearts.

the teaching was the create, used, was something, out of nothing.....and that only happened when the heavens and earth were created....

just read it, and take it, at face value....

This speaker wandered on and on for the first eight minutes. Why can’t he come to the point of his topic and go on from there. I don’t think he understands much about the topic of his discussion.

WITHOUT THE VISUALS HE DESCRIBES THIS VIDEO IS IMPOSSIBLE TO FOLLOW. SOUNDS INTERESTING BUT ULTIMATELY OF LITTLE VALUE

"He is not intervening". "He is DOING it". That doesn't sound biblically accurate. God delegates all sorts of things, judges lesser spiritual beings he puts people in the care of (table of nations and divine council language all over the OT). There's multiple spiritual entities, they have jobs, they can rebel, they can be judged for their moral failings. God is sovreign, that isn't the same as meticulous control. It's inherently a cooperative process via delegation.

@williambeaumont1312

5 жыл бұрын

It’s an order based on “delegation”. Excellent thought. This implies a willingness to co-operate. Yet God as Creator retains the right to destroy whatever he has created if it doesn’t not work for him as he had hoped it would.

Time 31:58 Genesis (2) without form and void Tohuw :from an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), i.e. desert; figuratively, a worthless thing; adverbially, in vain:- confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness. Please Note : The Word that was used here wasn't Order or Chaos but instead a word used to describe destruction . Latter in GOD-s word it says the earth was made to be inhabited i.e. then it became a desolation.

Genesis 1 is the new world after the terrible great flood that destroyed every civilization on earth. So genesis 1 is the new creation

Adam was certainty not 1st man. Scripture means what it says & says what it means. So when Jesus said from the beginning of the creation God made them male & female’ also.. ‘he which made them at the beginning made them male & female’.. Gen1:1 Mk10:6 Matt19:4 Mk13:19 Heb1:10 The wonderful thing about believing holy scripture is freedom from doubt. This act to which Jesus referred was: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male & female created he them & God blessed them’, & God said to them, “Be fruitful, & multiply, & replenish the earth, & subdue it: & have dominion over the fish of the sea, & over the fowl of the air, & over every living thing that moves upon the earth & God said, Behold, I have given you EVERY. ( Yes here it says every read all inclusive ) herb yielding seed which is upon the face of all the earth, & EVERY tree, ( Yes here it says every read all inclusive) in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for food.” Gen1:27-29 But when God made Adam and placed him in GARDEN God was very specific ; And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: ] But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. Genesis 2:16-19 Adam was specifically told v2:17 not eat of Tree knowledge of good and evil. Gen1 and Gen2 are separate accounts. Time betwixt 2event unspecified Jesus was clear also. For He did not say from time of Garden He made Adam and Eve. But rather Jesus spoke on this wise. from the beginning of the creation God made them male & female’ also.. ‘he which made them at the beginning made them male & female Not Adam and Eve, not from the time of garden. Jesus meant what was said and said what he meant Adam and Eve were not in the creation... accept that scripture means what is said and says what it means Man in Gen1 was made From nothing Ex-Nehlio... Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. Yet Adam in Gen2 was formed from dust of ground and Eve was formed from Adam's rib... thus Adam and Eve of Gen2 are not made Ex-nehlio from nothing as were the man and woman in the beginning thus Gen1 and Gen2 are completely different events😂

Father and Mother in Hebrew Ab and Emma = 44 okay SO WHAT the skeptic says. Well humans are composed of 44 identical autosomes, 22 + 22 each contributed by the Ab and Emma. SO WHAT the skeptic says " The bible tells us that ADAM: human is a composite of both male, female. Two come together sharing themselves to create another One for all and all for One. Genesis 2:22. The Aleph and the Tav the Begining and End 22 letters.

Satan and Lucifer would like to make it seem as though GODs WORD IS OF KNOW AFFECT. EVERLASTING TO EVERLASTINNG LIFE .

@ean6612

4 жыл бұрын

what?

To skip the most important genesis chapter 1 was a mistake that John Walton makes . Genesis 1 was the most appropriate wisdom written down several hundred years after the Genesis 2. Genesis 1 starts with complete harmony finished and called good by the seventh day .Later Genesis 2 , the supposed material creation which has for example a continuous rebellion of GODS truth leading to subtle serpent like suggestion that evil could teach you something through the tree of good and evil. This is the first and main lie which leads to all manner of evil . Redemption comes from following the truth of genesis 1 which enables us to understand JESUS . This understanding will have you starting to heal like the acts of Jesus . Good work and helpful but more is in chapter 1 through 3 than John Walton perceives

@princeegypt8642

7 жыл бұрын

This man knows nothing about our African father and mother of Egypt, nothing,

@ravissary79

5 жыл бұрын

How do you figure Genesis 1 and two are written centuries apart... based on what? That's a massive assumption with no proof.

The truth is the truth. The truth cannot be writtened according to any author's perspectives. The author's perspective could be wrong and something that is wrong cannot never be the truth.

@truethinker221

6 жыл бұрын

The truth is in the gleaning of the crop as harvested by the understanding.

@WhoisWhoishere

6 жыл бұрын

As we all know, evening is the setting of the Sun in the West and Morning is the rising of the SUN from the East. So, how can there be evening & morning in the first, 2nd & 3rd Day in Genesis when the SUN is ONLY created on the 4 Day...??? Fraud in Genesis... Genesis 1:16 So God made the two large lights. He made the brighter light to rule the day and made the smaller light to rule the night. There is ONLY ONE large light in our solar system, i.e. the Sun because the Moon is NOT a light. The Moon does NOT give off light itself; the Moon reflects light from the Sun...genesis is false. Science : Energy CANNOT be created nor destroyed.

@netelsg

6 жыл бұрын

Genesis is not the truth.

@truethinker221

6 жыл бұрын

netelsg Even understood the way John Walton in this video understands it ?? What if it was never to be truth in a literal scientific way but some type of allegory or hidden meaning relating to an existing Myth that we no longer understand ? see; 41:10 min.

@netelsg

6 жыл бұрын

What the ancient people knew of the world were wrong and false. Thus, genesis was human fabrication and outdated. Manufacturer never write their product's specs according to customers perspective or understanding.

the Bible is inerant in its original writings, but not the translations....

37:08 minutes and no solid point, examples, illustrations. 1 more hour left . . .

In other words this guy is saying that God is a liar! - No! Whatever is written is exactly what it is! World is in deed flat! Just like the bible describes it!

@Solideogloria00

5 жыл бұрын

xpjv you're kidding right?

@XPJV

5 жыл бұрын

@@Solideogloria00, the bible is not kidding. The world is literally under the dome/firmament surrounded by waters. God is literally above! Here's some documents: kzread.info/dash/bejne/go6X1LWyfbCXirA.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZGx5sJlyqbzOhM4.html

@samsmith346

5 жыл бұрын

R. Joël This is a bit old for you but if God gave the Jews a false flat earth with a dome over it instead of telling them them the so called truth of a globe earth then yes he would be a liar. The Earth is flat with a dome over it. Let God be true and every men a liar

@hansweichselbaum2534

5 жыл бұрын

@@Solideogloria00 Yup, he's serious. Flat earthers are coming up everywhere like mushrooms in bad weather.

Just bad theology. But, you Translate it your own way. The "human author" was given God's Word by the Holy Spirit. You think that God, the Holy Spirit, couldn't speak/communicate clearly? God's word doesn't change, ever. God does not lie.

@jackadam8269

4 жыл бұрын

Alec Cox I always come across sentiments like this that in essence say anything outside a literal interpretation equates to God either lying or being incapable in some way. As a parent I find it bizarre, when you child is young you speak to them at their level, you explain the world through things they understand. That’s precisely what I see happening in scripture, God speaking to people at their level.

@Alec_Cox

4 жыл бұрын

@@jackadam8269 As a parent, I taught my children to be educated and to beware of people who try to influence you through baseless comments.. Like this one. Stay out bud, I'm done with @Johnsparten98 the fraud. He'll wake up one day and so will you.

Here is a sample from the Genesis as history series - the way true exegesis should be done. kzread.info/dash/bejne/Zaisz9KBga2bYpM.html

In gen2:20 Yahweh looked at creation n no help meet was appropriate of females made for Adam n I think he didn't look at cows or .monkeys says also be fruitful everyone after there on kind. I believe all mankind's male and female where created before Adam and eve and all were to be blessed. But Adam n eve were the isreal blood line that our savior would come from and better is any people that does the covenant than blood Israelite who rebels.

@williambeaumont1312

5 жыл бұрын

salem Crawford . I think the problem was the dominion given to Adam which had to be singular. To create a woman would mean she would be UNDER his authority like the animals. Not good. Adam would have no one to consult with. So God made them of one body so they could make decisions together and share views. Neither could do God’s work alone so they needed each other. They would rule then as king and queen over creation and the home.

Wow Joe destroyed Waltons function only Genesis view

@Solideogloria00

5 жыл бұрын

Bucky D are you serious?

@petersherwood2656

5 жыл бұрын

Where and when did he do that? I must have missed it. He did use a lot of tautologies and smoke and mirrors...not intentionally, but he was very, very vague.

@williambeaumont1312

5 жыл бұрын

Joe didn’t ‘destroy’ professor Walton as we would like to see it done in the main stream media but he revealed that the Creation story had to be both material and organizational, set in a time frame of seven thousand years. A public works project in which Man was given control of the project. Man was employed by God to finish the contract. Makes perfect sense to me.

Science always proves the Bible - they just do not want to admit it No pictures

What the hell is this dude talking about. SMH..

20:55 "its got bigger fish to fry" So the Bible is a cook book, I get it. Thank you. Now I understand. We are to be fishers of men. Jesus turned the 7 loaves and fish to many. We are to eat unleavened bread. I see. So we are to make sandwiches of unleavened bread and men, that we catch, so we can multiply them. Ok I see it now... This makes sense. The Bible is a cook book. How to make good food. So that Ezekiel Bread is even cooked wrong. The text says to cook it over cow poop. Ok, better yet, human poop, like Yahweh said. And what's this? We are to eat this weird looking white stuff found on the ground. Ok, ok, good. Thank you...

@potterylady44

Жыл бұрын

😶

There's plenty wrong with what this guy is saying. He needs to do more research.

@kingdomkid7225

5 жыл бұрын

Jacob Claunch on what exactly? Please share your objections

FINALLY! Flat Earth Truth!

Take Matthew he wrote his Gospel under the inspiration of The Holy Spirit as did All The writers of The Hebrew Scriptures both Old & New Covenants. Matthew uses old Covenant prophecies Totally Out Of Context ‼️ God can’t & will not be kept in a box anymore! (Holy Of Holies) Elohim Yehovah is Eternal and able to communicate on several levels all at once The ancient Hebrews said The Scriptures had 4 levels! Adam was made in The Image and Likeness Of Elohim! We only know as Paul says Through a dark glass, post fall we have No idea what dimensions Adam & Eve had access too pre Rebellion! Their eyes were opened!? They became conscious of their physical appearance & what did they Cover? Their differences ‼️

I feel sad for John Walton, an educated man who has wasted most of his life studying nonsense .

waste of time

@Krazede

6 жыл бұрын

prtmanprtGod ..... above your educational pay Grade?

Utter nonsense. All talk and no substance. A vain, philosophical exegesis of the Scriptures; making the Word of God of non effect through vain philosophy. "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit..." He doesn't understand the Scriptures.

@ravissary79

5 жыл бұрын

Where is he using philosophy? You seek confused, he's doing ANE studies and applying it to hermeneutics, not philosophy.

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