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@PeriscopeFilm

2 жыл бұрын

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They told us it was safe to work with this pipe…, hand or power saws to cut it and rasp files to bevel the ends…, now we’re bagging it up as we replace the broken joints as hazardous materials and it’s very costly to get rid of. Interesting to hear that they’ve known about the health risks since the 20’s…, over a hundred years ago. I started working with it in 1982 in the Oakland Bay Area at East Bay Municipal Utility District. Notice that they had no traffic control, flag people, cones ect. No hard hats either. No compaction equipment for the trenches, and no shoring…., we’ll we’ve made some changes since then, usually because someone was injured or killed, thanks OSHA…!!!

@cme98

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Nobody complained when people used horses & rode them to death. People didn't even dispose of them properly leaving the dead horse right there in the street & walking over to the blacksmith to buy another $20 horse. All normal while horses seeing this & their future there dead on a city street until the automobile came along & just like that 90,000,000 horses suddenly gone, just vanished, in a decade. Piled up there at the city dump because there was more than enough supply at the Elmers glue factory or the Jello gelliton store so you bought your car & someone followed you to the dump and took out your revolver & shot your horse. Buh bye Rosie... BANG! But we got a new FORD! As Americans we used workers the same way whether they are animal or human it makes no difference. Whether it be using soldiers at selected sites to see if they could survive a nuclear blast, or coal miners whom you had to prepare to replace after they reached age 40 (because you knew black lung created jobs for immigrants (so you had to advertise for them in Scandinavian newspapers) or today any worker in the construction business who you knew wouldn't last long after age 50 because that was their Unions responsibility not yours. Fact is we have always worked our workers to death & still do. Excusing ourselves from this by paying them higher wages does not compensate for deteriorating joints, muscles overstressed they barely can hold your arm onto your body, toes on your feet so deteriorated you wobble around instead of walking, or bicycling instead of a normal walk because your knees can barely hold you up -its less painful to bike the distance & cheaper than a wheelchair as long as you still have balance, because if you can't balance few live past 7 more years and NOBODY is going to tell you the truth about that. Fact is we've been fighting for worker rights immediately after the civil war and politicians have been used by owners of business by threatening higher costs if they pass laws workers demand or support the Unions workers tried to join. Politicians used their own Police or the local Sheriff would go down to the local watering hole to deputize a posse of Deputies to beat the shit out of strikers who only asked for those wages we make today, the 40 hours we whine about today, overtime was non existent but abused today, and we had no holidays except July 4th, Christmas was OPTIONAL, vacation or sick pay would of had you fired for simply asking, Healthcare was free because it only came from prayer not your employer and now Labor Day is reserved today for back to school shopping & nobody even gives the shit how many Americans died on the job or the fact the Holiday was created world wide in support of Americans who were on strike in Chicago & executed by Chicago police for not dispersing a legal organized strike. The American government in 1880 wanted to forget about the Chicago massacre which led to what we call "international workers day" isn't called that anywhere else but here. They call it LABOR DAY, Americans call it international workers day & label it as a communist or socialist holiday when fact is MAY 1st was the day chosen by an international effort. May 1st, that day, was specifically created for 4 Americans executed by Chicago police who were only doing their jobs, true, but they executed workers on strike! The Holiday we call Labor Day was created by other countries to support how horrible workers here were treated. Our govt refused the gift! And still havent accepted it. but our government refused to honor a holiday created world wide for American workers. We call it May Day and expect to see children dancing with flowers around a May Pole we have turned May 1st into every other occasion we can think of except for WHY it was created... and our government finally agreed to create Labor Day because other States were acknowledging May 1st. So to confuse the shit out of everybody our govt chose the first Monday in September, far from the memory of 4 men executed because they just wanted better working conditions in 1880, USA. The workers of the world heard those gun shots & created Labor Day May 1st 1882. Our Congress still hasn't accepted it as the Labor Day it was created for & it took 12 years of additional protesting for them to created a new Holiday in September because they didn't want to accept the Holiday as a gift from the workers of the world which would amount to Congress actually supporting Unions. Nope cant have that. Our President Grove Cleveland agreed he would sign it into law but only if it wasn't in May. Because he was afraid it would spark riots if in May not to mention it would make martyrs of those 4 victims in Chicago & we couldn't have that! It became Law in 1894 only because it refused to recognize any American who died whether on the job or striking for better conditions. And you bring up OSHA?! WTF does osha care about? They only act when workers react. And its quite ironic Republicans who literally ran this country between 1860-1932 and refused to pass anything for the workers of America except for Rail Road workers because when they went on strike Congress ran out of food & everything was rail before the Automobile, no rail, no food, so Congress forced the Vanderbilts & other excessively wealthy railroad owners to end the strike which they refused so Congress passed a law giving strikers everything they asked for. Congress & Republicans did not address any other worker after that except for creating Labor Day on the wrong day and people still had to work 12 hour days 6 days a week. It took the total collapse of the Republican free for all economy which led to repetitive economic recessions about every decade which kept workers in check from striking & made the rich get richer. It took Democrats to give us paid Holidays, vacation pay, set a minimum wage, set up a min retirement pay plan called SSI, set 40 hour work weeks, require overtime after that. But Democrats didn't do shit for the protection of workers until Republicans took back control in 1968. Richard Nixon, a republican, created more in his 5 years than any Democrat did in his 5 years, except the President just before him... Lyndon Johnson. Nixon created OSHA, the EPA, ended the Apollo program, ended American involvement in the Vietnam Civil War, he created Earth Day for crying outloud, he ordered his staff to break into Democrat Headquarters to see who they picked as their next puppet. Hoover said it was Ted Kennedy so he committed a felony to find out & fired the FBI director who was dead wrong. He fired the most crooked Federal employee of all times who routinely used the FBI to keep files on every American & bribe them by using it... J Edgar Hoover who ran the FBI from 1924-1972 he had dirt on every DC politician. It took Nixon to fire his ass. He died soon after. No surprise there. Nixon was forced to find someone who would pardon him but had to get rid of his VP in order to replace him with whoever would pardon him because he committed a felony in office. Enter IRS who convicted VP Agnew for income tax fraud & sent him to prison forcing him to resign. Enter Gerald Ford who replaced him. Nixon resigns Ford becomes president. Nixon pardoned. Enter Betty Ford, 60-minutes LiVE on CBS primetime Sunday, so drunk & high on drugs she says: so what if kids have sex before marriage. I mean me & the President did. You need to try out the product before you marry it and that goes for getting an apartment together before marriage too. The President sat silent. Finally he says, "well, thats Betty!" Next day... she was more popular than the President. Ronald Reagan was pissed. Enter the man who destroyed the American union: Reagan. He took care of worker safety alright. He moved it to China.

@cmerton

Жыл бұрын

@@cme98 Well, I agree with all of this. But you are heavy on government blame. Government is just people, and people will lie, cheat, even kill if they can get away with it. People at this company and thousands like it stood by and watched their neighbors die under the guise of "miraculous industrial advancement" (translation: make a lot of crap, produce propaganda to deceive people who love to see themselves as "modern" into buying it, lather, rinse, repeat.) I blame the cradle-to-coffin fostering of competition over cooperation. It pollutes the whole of human society.

@Tuberuser187

Жыл бұрын

Risks of Asbestos have been known since the Roman times, they used it in heat resistant pottery and ceramics and knew the people working with the raw Asbestos got strange lung diseases no-one else suffered with.

@agricola

Жыл бұрын

@@cme98 20 dollar horse? $20 was a helluva lot of money in 1880

@jfbeam

Жыл бұрын

As I've said many times, we go way overboard because of the word "asbestos". It was used for a very long time without serious problems. As far as Transite(tm)... nothing about it is "safe". All of it's materials are very bad if you breath them in. (including cement) The only really dangerous part is in manufacture, but cutting in the field would also generate unsafe dust. (just as unsafe today as then, and most people still don't wear masks when cutting concrete materials.)

Oh man, wouldn’t want to take a single breath in the factory making these pipes.

@Bardocke

3 жыл бұрын

I was about to post the same comment. This is so unsafe.

@jmfa57

3 жыл бұрын

The guy emptying the bag of asbestos fibers into the hopper had a sort of dust mask on. Shudder...

@bobdelano6746

3 жыл бұрын

My pipe layers would just shrug their shoulders when using a chop saw to cut it Even tho I would tell them it's a carcenagenic

@TheDutchShepherd

3 жыл бұрын

@@bobdelano6746 carcinogenic

@bobdelano6746

3 жыл бұрын

@Mighty Mouse Girlfriend I was a poor worker making nine dollars an hr right next to them So what are you trying to say

Say! This “asbestos” stuff sounds pretty neat! How about we looking into putting this stuff in literally everything we come in contact with.

@krakenwoodfloorservicemcma5975

3 жыл бұрын

I am pretty sure we all breath toms of this crap and don’t even know it.

@waynecampbell7609

3 жыл бұрын

I would probably be even better with a little radioactivity thrown in!

@tomstanley7568

3 жыл бұрын

and brake pads everything

@Condor512

2 жыл бұрын

While not into 'literally everything', asbestos came pretty darn close. Besides the underground pipes of this film, J-M also made Asbestos Underground Air Ductwork (pretty sim to these water pipes). And for decades asbestos was also used in ALL Auto Brake Pads, Pipe & Ductwork Insulation in buildings, Fire retardant Suits for Firemen, and as Spray-On Fireproofing for Steel Beams in Commercial Construction (World Trade Center, NYC). Note: I was in Commercial Const for 42 yrs and ran into Asbestos quite a lot. I liked it. The danger to it is over-blown, like w/ DDT.

@michaelprice3785

2 жыл бұрын

@@Condor512 I worked at a gas station when drum brakes were common. The shoes were always "arced" on a grinding machine so they would fit the drum perfectly. Asbestos brake material was blown everywhere.

A moment of silence for all those people who worked with it and those dieing from it still. It's still supplies water and sewer service to millions today. It sure did last long.

@gregoryclemen1870

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder just how many workers who handled this stuff are still taking in air/ pumping transmission fluid with out any regard for safety at the plant!!!!

@andrek4619

5 ай бұрын

@@gregoryclemen1870 No need to think that everyone who has somehow touched asbestos will inevitably die. It is believed that plastic packaging and all sorts of artificial additives in food products lead to even more cancers than asbestos.

Some of that footage showed no discernible dust in the recording. The fellas without masks on in some of the grinding operations surprised me.

I started work in the UK 1962 at the age of 15. We had sheets of asbestos that we soaked in water to make soft balls which we used as heat sinks when making brazed joints. Being young we just threw the small balls at each other for fun or made small pellets which we blew through tubes as blowpipes. ....Little did we know then....

@izzycurer1260

2 жыл бұрын

Asbestos is safe to be around once it's already inside the product, especially when wet. The issue with it is when it's loose dust that can fly around and get in your lungs. It was really only a problem for factory workers handling the raw material while dry. Nowadays, it's only a problem for anyone ripping out old installations.

@jfbeam

Жыл бұрын

We knew then. We just have fewer lawyers. :-)

@NinoJoel

Ай бұрын

​@@izzycurer1260that's completely false information. Asbestos even in small amounts that gets set free from normal wear kills thousands of people every year

@LaserRifle

Ай бұрын

How are you today? Did you get sick?

It's good to know the _joint lubricant_ "IS COMPLETELY SAFE!". 🤣

@riff2072

3 жыл бұрын

The joint lubricant counters the minor negative effects of the asbestos in the pipes.

@rdallas81

Жыл бұрын

It was probably vaseline

Too bad about asbestos. Good in so many ways. Very bad in one. I've worked with polyester fiber enhanced cement and it is pretty amazing stuff and an excellent alternative.

@michaelprice3785

2 жыл бұрын

My guess is that the asbestos was easy to replace (with polyester fiber) when its danger was found. Wonder if all this asbestos pipe needs to be pulled out and replaced.

@Privat2840

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelprice3785 I believe the heavy concrete bonds to the asbestos, keeping it from being a threat. The threat would exist to the guys in the factory handling the fibers or workers grinding the pipe into dust. Mind you I am not an asbestos expert.

@andrek4619

5 ай бұрын

Of course, we do not inhale plastic, but we consume a lot through packaging and all sorts of artificial additives there. Plastic is also carcinogenic, even more so than asbestos.

We still have this as one of 2 main water lines that feed our town an water tower- it was done with shovels an a bunch of guys for WPA during the depression- an one was my grandpa- I used to work for the city in the 90's an we took some old pieces that look an feel like cast iron to a junk yard an sold em - when they found out what it was they were really pissed lol- good times man

@manp1039

2 жыл бұрын

who was pissed and why?

@kiwitrainguy

Жыл бұрын

@@manp1039 The Junk Yard (Scrap Dealers) thought they were getting and paying for cast iron when instead they got asbestos pipe with virtually no value at all.

I'm working with this pipe now. 1939 hydro plant. Electrical conduit.

@Grimpy970

3 жыл бұрын

RIP wear a mask!

@andyfeimsternfei8408

3 жыл бұрын

@@Grimpy970 read an interesting article several years ago, more people have died from banning asbestos than from its occupational exposure. It was such a good flame retardant.

@zombiedreams3825

3 жыл бұрын

Just be safe cuz those are very hazardous material I used to work for Duke Energy

@andyfeimsternfei8408

3 жыл бұрын

@@zombiedreams3825 I've worked around it for 40 years too.

@robert20770

3 жыл бұрын

@@andyfeimsternfei8408 Do you have a URL for that report?

Back in the early 70 we use to cut panels of the stuff with a circular saw, no protection, it was what we did.

@krakenwoodfloorservicemcma5975

3 жыл бұрын

And you are still here! Awesome!!! I think we all breathe a lot more of this crap than we even know.

@metricstormtrooper

3 жыл бұрын

Me too and Australia already knew it was dangerous stuff. My boss didn't care less.

Good product. Johns-Manville was basically one of the patient zeros for asbestos litigation in the US. They literally suppressed all the litigation they went through starting at the end of the 1920's, just outright suppressing any information about the health effects of the substance, it's handling and implementation. Kept doing this well into the 70's. Meanwhile we've been litigating the fallout from asbestos for close to a century now. Edit: 32:50 Jesus Christ. It still escapes me how people thought that was a good idea...and people to this day will still argue it was a better time when we could essentially dump corrosive, outright lethal effluent right into...the pit out back. Cuz it was cheap!

@DynamicSeq

3 жыл бұрын

What if there is no ground water to pollute ???

@cme98

Жыл бұрын

@@DynamicSeq they tried that with Nuclear Waste burying in the middle of one of the driest deserts in the usa. Then the nuclear waste ate through the drums. At first they said it would take 10,000 years to reach the Columbia River. The radiation has a life in excess of 100,000 years and the Columbia River could contaminate ecosystem in a matter of hours what would take 10,000 years. Its currently the most expensive superfund cleanup site on record that was supposed to take 20 years to cleanup & its been 30 years. Also the leak somehow found a way to travel 9,981 years because it was now 19 years away from the Columbia River. People dont realize the dirt below us also is moving. River sources & new Rivers are created every year & these rivers run deep underground as well as above ground. There is no such thing as an underground dry anything because we cant even map whats underground.

Crazy how well AC has stood up over the decades since installation. I've got over 2 decades of working with AC and it still amazes me. I wonder if we couldn't manufacturer a similar pipe but with Hemp fibers instead and obtain similar quality results.

This pipe is still in service! I’d like to see modern pipe last this long. Not suggesting we start using it again, but you have to admit it was a remarkable substance as far as durability and long life.

@officialdropnation

3 жыл бұрын

Ur joking right? this shit causes cancer

@Trump985

3 жыл бұрын

@@officialdropnation apparently you didn’t read my comment I said “Not suggesting we start using asbestos again” I’m only saying it was an amazing material and there is no modern replacement that’s as good as asbestos was.

@keithjones8424

3 жыл бұрын

There is still alot of materials used today that cause cancer. You just have to have a system to contain and separate it from people. From the Workers and the consumers. All the chemicals in the Tesla car batteries cause cancers. It's just contained and separated from the workers making them and the consumer using them.

@keithjones8424

3 жыл бұрын

Side note. All the material used in the disposable batteries in a Tesla car battery ( they are all disposable)are mined in a way just as or more harmful to the earth and miners then coal is. TESLA is a con. But that's the future.

@stevescott9289

2 жыл бұрын

From a materials science point of view, you can see how the use of the asbestos fibres allowed creation of a very strong pipe which doesn't suffer from corrosion. Yet, of course, many of those in the film have likely died of it...

quick economic installation is #1 consideration...water quality is #6 ha ha!

What an amazing refined engineered piece of kit. The Steam "sintering", so to speak is genius. This stuff should be very stable and serviceable for many decades more. It would be pointless ripping it up if water quality is still good.

@jimurrata6785

3 жыл бұрын

Autoclaving is pretty common with every concrete block you see in construction.

@yaboiii64

3 жыл бұрын

@@jimurrata6785 I think they are referring to one of the "few" good uses of asbestos. sadly as far as an insulation goes there is no equivalent. People can try to talk about poly or any of the others but they all fail at higher temps or ignite. What a stupid pain in the ass mineral.

@jimurrata6785

3 жыл бұрын

@@yaboiii64 Unfortunately asbestos has been demonized much like nuclear power. As a high temperature gasket or a friction lining for clutches and brakes it was the best material available. It does have tremendous properties, but corporations (like Johns Manville) were driven by profits and tried to hide the health hazards they knew so much about. Their mining operations did cripple and kill entire towns. And we may never have a solution for the tailing piles left behind There wasn't much in the way of protections for workers until OSHA rolled around. Boiler makers, Shipyard workers and those who sprayed it on the steel skeletons of skyscrapers get a lot of attention but there was a tremendous amount of asbestos put into the gypsum products found in any house built until the '80's. Today the absolute panic that arises when it is found is on a par with shutting an entire school because someone dropped a mercury thermometer in the lab. Ironically, today the former Raybestos factory in Bridgeport CT is a Superfund site not because of asbestos but because of all the 111 trichloroethylene used to clean the brake shoes and pads. Honestly, I think these pipes are best left in service.

@jimurrata6785

3 жыл бұрын

@@yaboiii64 I was addressing the 'sintering is genius' thing. Saying that steam curing of modular cement products was in widespread use long before it was applied to these pipe products.

@jservice6594

3 жыл бұрын

@@jimurrata6785 Once the product is "in place" and undisturbed, it is perfectly safe. The danger is in airborne dust... from mining, the manufacturing process, installation and demolition.

Timely, beautiful. Ah, hindsight... Thank you.

Thank you, Periscope Films. Historia magistra vitae est.

I installed miles and miles of this pipe in the 70’s in Massachusetts. I’m sure it’s held up well.

@jonhohensee3258

Жыл бұрын

You're SURE???

@aerialcat1

Жыл бұрын

William: I worked with it too, that was the most durable damn pipe ever made, and once it’s in the ground it’s completely safe… wet asbestos is not a hazard, only when it’s dry dust.

@JohnDoe-vy5hh

Жыл бұрын

Asbestos always gets disturbed eventually. Then it dries out and gets all over everything. It is always hazardous.

I handled literally 100's of lbs of asbestos "shorts". Masons used to add hand fulls of it to their brick mortar. It acted as binder like fibreglass and made it more workable. Much smoother finish too after tooling.

Imagine thousands of miles of this pipe that is well beyond its design service life underground and needing replacement. I'm sure when it's torn up it's going to cost a fortune to remove and disposed of. Meanwhile our politicians are talkin about cow farts

@bridgetstoli2347

3 жыл бұрын

It would be more dangerous to dig it up. It's the loose fibers in the air that cause harm.

@thomasewing2656

2 жыл бұрын

Cow farts=politician's hot air.

@NotParticularlyAmused

Жыл бұрын

It's left underground, not removed.

@NinoJoel

Ай бұрын

​@@NotParticularlyAmused it's removed in Europe since the water gets contaminated with high amounts of fibers and causes cancer when drinking the water. It also spreads fibers in your home after showers

We had a Johns-Manville factory in my hometown of Waukegan ,they made Transite pipe there. Many employees got sick and died. It was closed for good in 1996. It has since been torn down.

I was trained to cut and mill the ends of this for installation in the 70's ..Thats not good .There are 100's of miles of this under all the Army Bases in Canada .Even the shutdown and converted ones .

@5eZa

3 жыл бұрын

composites aren't as dangerous as the loose fibers- until you start grinding them and making dust

@alistair1978utube

3 жыл бұрын

so bad that it makes you stick random apostrophes in what you write?

@BrassLock

3 жыл бұрын

@@alistair1978utube A random apostrophe _hither and thither_ is no great crime in my opinion. However, the failure to signify the start of a sentence by the common courtesy of an uppercase letter - well, that's quite another level of debauchery altogether. . .

@alistair1978utube

3 жыл бұрын

​@@BrassLock Touché

@NinoJoel

Ай бұрын

​@@5eZathat's wrong. Asbestos pipes leak asbestos fibres into the water which spreads in your home when you shower. It also causes cancer when drinking the water

As a plumber, I only recommend asbestos piping. Only the best for my customers.

@srabjr1

3 жыл бұрын

Hey man, it’s only dangerous to you... the installer

@globeflicker9216

3 жыл бұрын

😉 sarcasm 👍

@NinoJoel

Ай бұрын

​@@srabjr1it's dangerous for anyone nearby. It's also dangerous to drink any water out of it. Also his comment was sarcasm

@srabjr1

Ай бұрын

@@NinoJoel 😂

Once again Thank you periscope..! Tons of gratitude to periscope films .. 💐🤝🏻, from 🇮🇳.

In the 1990s I was a federally licensed AHERA asbestos abatement inspector. The legitimate health concerns about asbestos eventually became a hysteria. The truth is that asbestos as used in transite water pipe has never been shown to be a health risk. Asbestos must become airborne to pose a health risk. We could be using affordable, long lasting, transite pipe today if it weren't for the uninformed hysteria associated with any product containing asbestos.

@V8Power5300

3 жыл бұрын

I guess most asbestos products not used for wear items are pretty safe once installed

@drooplug

3 жыл бұрын

I'm fairly certain the plastic pipe they use today is less costly than this transited pipe. The life of transite pipe is greatly affected by soil conditions.

@glenncerny8403

2 жыл бұрын

My local water supply is still Transite pipe. It is at least 60 years old and trouble free. Some of it was replaced about 20 years ago with a larger plastic pipe and I had a good conversation with the project manager. He was assuring that Transite is a good pipe and explain the difference between friable and non-friable asbestos. Very enlightening.

@insulman100

2 жыл бұрын

I to have had extensive training in the asbestos abatement industry including being a trainer there are 2 problems with your comment no.1 Asbestos must become airborne to pose a health risk it is very true that airborne asbestos poses a serious health risk it is also true that anything we consume containing asbestos including water also poses a health risk mostly in the form of colorectal cancer no.2 how do you propose making cutting installing the pipe pretty sure there will be some airborne ACM while mining milling and mixing

@terry_willis

2 жыл бұрын

@@V8Power5300: Well, in insulation it's stable and harmless . . . until the building it's in is demolished. Then it costs $$$$$$ for abatement with special costly procedures for removal.

That guy reaming the end of these plpes brought all that home to his family. 😳

@davesanford4798

3 жыл бұрын

Most factory workers of that time period. Used to shower and change before they went home from work

@deconteesawyer5758

Жыл бұрын

@@davesanford4798 You are deluded. Most factory workers of the time did not wash their hands at lunch time, much less pack a change of clothes in their lunch box. Even if they changed at work, the soiled clothing was taken home and washed with the baby diapers, the work boots were not left at work.

@AEVMU

Ай бұрын

I knew a lady whos father was a mechanic who handled this stuff often. He brought it home on his clothes and she died a very painful death many years later from asbestos related lung issues.

I installed this tuff in the 60's. I was also in the Navy & our ship was covered in asbestos. It may kill me but it better hurry up, I'm 78.

@krakenwoodfloorservicemcma5975

3 жыл бұрын

No way. You made it this far.. you are good.

@ondrejpavelka2179

3 жыл бұрын

Steve Mcqueen wasnt as lucky. Do you smoke or did you smoke?

@larryschweitzer4904

3 жыл бұрын

@@ondrejpavelka2179 Never smoked, foul habit! As a kid I went with my dad to the tavern almost every night. Got plenty of foul smelling 2nd hand smoke. I still remember how bad my shirt would smell when I got home.

Went on a school trip to the geology museum in London in the 60s . Was given a very interesting blue rock that came apart in fibres!

@KE6GMZ

2 жыл бұрын

Crocidolite, the asbestiform variant of the mineral ribeckite. That stuff is the absolute WORST. Chrysotile (white asbestos) is pretty nearly harmless by comparison.

@deconteesawyer5758

Жыл бұрын

The worst part was it made the kids grow very large ugly teeth.

There are buildings and homes full of this stuff as underground duct, I know … I was working with it up until the mid 1980’s. Yep, great place for it.

Man, I wanted to scream when I saw that poor man dump out that sack of asbestos!

@JohnDoe-vy5hh

Жыл бұрын

Me too

@lytlspeeze

2 ай бұрын

That man died

When we were kids working with my dad we put miles of this shit in. But it was mostly used for waste pipe

@genehoopes509

3 жыл бұрын

P

@SandBoxJohn

3 жыл бұрын

During the 1970s the contractors building the Washington Metro used a similar pipe for 750 Volts DC third rail conductor and ground return conduit duct banks.

The asbestos cement water pipes in my area have been replaced by PVC only a few years ago.The original pipes were from 1968.The cement pipes had to be replaced becuase of frequent breaks and leaks-esp when a new small shopping center was built near my housing area.The old system was abandoned.Still in place.There were a few breaks near my house and at my driveway.Several mornings when I came home from work on a mid shift was greeted by the water turned off and a backhoe digging up the broken area for repairs.No problems for the past few years with the PVC pipes.Time will tell!

@marcosmota1094

3 жыл бұрын

PVC or HDPE? If PVC, I don't think that you got your money's worth.

Manufacturers of all types of asbestos related products must've thought this was a wonderful material, solving all their weight, strength and longevity requirements for half a century or so. During my childhood, we used to live not far from a building materials refuse dump, in which tons of asbestos fibre cement sheets were disposed of. We played there frequently, and found that pieces of this would explode in a most delightful way when tossed onto the fires that burned there. At the age of 76 I can generally breathe okay, but laughing gives me an asthma-like wheezy coughing fit, no doubt aided by the asbestos (and later, fibregass) particles snuggling in my lungs for most of my life.

@BrassLock

3 жыл бұрын

The Mt Lawley rubbish dump, Perth, Western Australia, right next to the Mt Lawley Golf Club where we lived in the club house; my parents were the resident Caterers in those enlightened times, before asbestos was a known carcinogen (to the general public). We used DDT to keep the insects away too, and Shelltox Pest Strips (containing Dichlorvos) were popular then. All banned now. I still walk 1.5 Kms around my village every morning, so hope to get to 80+ yrs.

@KE6GMZ

2 жыл бұрын

My father was in the US Navy in the late 60s and he told me that there was an asbestos insulated pipe that ran over his rack (bunk) that was constantly coming apart and leaving fluffy crap all over his blanket. He's got mild to moderate COPD today, probably a result of breathing/sleeping in that crap for 4 years.

@mediumsizedm

2 жыл бұрын

If you stumble across a time machine, bring a quarter roll of masking tape with you, and tell your grandpa to wrap his pipe.

The good thing about silicosis is that you can only get it once. What a relief.

What a wonderful pipe. Obviously the asbestos fibres only serve to strengthen the pipe and since the pipes are free of tuberculation, you can see the asbestose doesn't protrude into the water passage. It is similar to fiberglass on a Corvette, you don't see the fibers sticking out, they are buried in the cement, and safely kept away from the water supply.

@NinoJoel

Ай бұрын

They are proven to leak large amounts of fibres into the water. They are banned in all of Europe and are legally required to be replaced

I held my breath for this video!

Hey why don't you go take a break I'll fill the asbestos hopper up while you go to the bathroom. Thanks Joe can't wait to see if this pipes around in 100 years even though we won't be

@oxidizedbrilliance7852

3 жыл бұрын

Okay Boomer

@agtpony

3 жыл бұрын

@@oxidizedbrilliance7852 Welcome to KZread after 15 years

@danbrit9848

3 жыл бұрын

no look agean thay had basic masks on and we all know a mask makes you immune from all air born anything....

records like this are SO important! Showing how for over 25 years they said how great it was while those guys in the factory died of it's cancer... Reminds you to not take the word of governments or corporations when there is a crossroad of your health and their profits since those at the top all knew the danger even before this video was produced. I'm not saying there aren't safe or good uses of the "A" word but hey if we protect our guys in the factory who make it then we might scare the public and sell less....🤔🤐😏

@PeriscopeFilm

3 жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more. This is a truly important film for many reasons, and we're happy to have found and presented it. Love our channel? Help us save and post more orphaned films! Support us on Patreon: www.patreon.com/PeriscopeFilm Even a really tiny contribution can make a difference.

Its dangers were somewhat already well known of over 100 years ago (as was lead paint with pediatricians leading a movement to outlaw that in the 1920's) with asbestos mine workers.

It took 130 years but asbestos finally did to Johns-Manville what it did to the workers. They had to file bankruptcy in 1983. Somehow they came through the bankruptcy having to set up a $2.5 billion relief fund for their former workers. And today, they have dropped the hyphen in the name and are owned by Berkshire Hathaway, back bigger than ever . . .

@bookbeing

Жыл бұрын

That's very interesting now that we know that Berkshire Hathaway is one of the larger names in real estate holdings hence landlords.

asbestos still has its uses, but we (hopefully) learned so much on where it is and isn't viable to be used in

Hey, Neat!! Dry mixing. Breath deeply. It's all good. It's all natural. This asbestos stuff: can it be used in apple pie crust? It might yield a thinner stronger crust while using less flour. And, did I forget to mention, it's all natural. Perhaps for pizza also. Hey, flip that in the air a few more times. And be sure to dust that crust with more of that asbestos. Ya can't get too much of that. And, remember the best part, it's all natural. I'll bet it could be mixed well with sand for the little kids' sand box. And throw some into the dryer for fluffier sheets and pillow cases. Why, I'm sure you and your family will find a million uses for asbestos. So, be sure to pick up a sack or two next time you're shopping. You'll find it in the baking supplies isle. And be sure to look for the cheery Johns Manville label. That way you're assured of giving your family the litest, fluffiest asbestos! Well, see you at the store!

@frederickbooth7970

Жыл бұрын

Good sarcasm! Applies to many things.🙂

@bloqk16

2 ай бұрын

@josephboxmeyer5730 . . . you have a remarkable writing talent, comparable to what I've seen/heard/read when it comes to advertising copy over the years . . . and this is serious, no sarcasm intended.

5:52 nice dust mask. you just know they probably made that out of asbestos as well

Thx, periscope.

This was so much more interesting to me than I feel like it should have been 💯🤙

Amazed that a slip fit o ring coupler can hold the pressure on a water main

@stevenbiars4817

3 жыл бұрын

The way the O-ring sits in the coupler tightens the seal as pressure increases.

@michael-dm2bv

Жыл бұрын

Thrust blocks. The pipe can't come undone if each end is blocked. Cement lined water main piping is done in a similiar fashion.

This asbestos stuff sounds great

@deconteesawyer5758

Жыл бұрын

Makes drinking water taste great.

@petemclinc

2 ай бұрын

Asbestos at its bestos...

Of course the engineer are going to find those pieces in good working condition. They work for the same dam company.

Asbestos was a great mineral with excellent qualities except the obvious one. It is still used today and is not banned and made a comeback in 2018. These pipes have increases in intestinal polyps, cancer. Certain applications where human ingestion is not likely it still has it's place and performs well at high temps.

@bobdelano6746

3 жыл бұрын

As in az. Six inch pipe needed 3 ft of cover 12 and 16 inch needed 5 ft of cover very hot in the desert under asphalt

It sucks that it took so long for people to realize how bad asbestos is for you. I’m sitting here watching him pull apart raw asbestos and I’m yelling to the guy to put a respirator on!

@kevinwheatcroft

2 жыл бұрын

You must be a fellow safety pro.... I felt the same feeling!

@ronblack7870

Жыл бұрын

i was doing that when i was a kid. our grade school had a field trip to the science center. i bought a piece of asbestos in a clear little box as a souvenir. the box was only about 1 1/2 inch square . it was hinged and i would sometimes play with the asbestos pulling it apart. this is early 1970's

//Beavis and Butt-Head// "what is asbestos?!?!?" "uh, some sorta health food..."

@eduardoARsanchez1266

3 жыл бұрын

Uh Uhhh uh ass Best us uhhhh You Say ass Best Beavis...

@rdallas81

Жыл бұрын

@@eduardoARsanchez1266 lol.

@rdallas81

Жыл бұрын

@@eduardoARsanchez1266 Good one Eduardo

That's some good pipe!

Cool video! I never knew I wanted a ring-tite coupling until today!

@deconteesawyer5758

Жыл бұрын

Check the adult section ads for home demonstrations.

I can just hear the ads: "I am a non-attorney spokesman!"

To all the people bitching about Asbestos as a hazard: in 60 years there will be a whole bunch of hazards we think are safe today, its called progress. Get over it. You exist in a point in time that is not the ultimate or even the penultimate.

Under the Safe Drinking Water Act, asbestos is limited to 7 million fibers per liter (MFL) of water. There are several notable cases of AC pipe failure and potential health issues from the detection of high levels of asbestos in the drinking water.

@Goalsplus

3 жыл бұрын

That sounds like a lot considering the size of the fibers at the beginning of the film.

@Barabel22

3 жыл бұрын

Are you sure it’s not 7 per liter? LOL, 7 million is A LOT, and doesn’t sound right at all...

@deconteesawyer5758

Жыл бұрын

@@Barabel22 A lot of what the government tells you doesn't sound right at all. Especially with this administration.

@NinoJoel

Ай бұрын

​@@Barabel22it's crazy but it's true

Clean, pure water. Just don't ask about the pipe....

Great stuff, no wonder it was used in cigarette filters back in the day.

Hey Kids! Don’t forget to start your day with Asbestos Puffs! Part of a well balanced breakfast. 😂

No one gets out of this life alive, but, wonder how many at the asbestos plant went on to old age...interesting that the gentleman was wearing a mask in the 50's

24:34- the Eureka, Tehachapi, and Arvin, California earthquakes occured in July 1952.

I remember as a kid seeing pipes and panels on buildings everywhere

Phoenix Arizona still uses asbestos cement pipe for water mains. It’s not manufactured in the USA anymore, so they have to import it

Good to see how the Bain of my existence was made

Smart thinking testing water pressure up to triple what is standard at that time. Future population growth calls for more water. Water pressure at source must be turned up to accommodate the necessary pressure at the spaghetti

I worked with ac pipe in the 80s in az

Alright fine .. Jeez .. You sold me. I’ll take a hundred miles of Transite piping!

Love that asbestos!

My guess is those sealing o rings do not last forever. Loved the guy said that you can use manpower rather than heavy equipment. These days, employees are expensive and automation is being used to minimize the number of employees!

Asbestos Drinking-Water pipes. What could possibly go wrong ?

@frankbrazil7918

3 жыл бұрын

..and silica for added death ☠️

@imchris5000

3 жыл бұрын

safer than lead pipes and lead pipes are pretty safe as long as proper water ph is maintained

@davesanford4798

3 жыл бұрын

I've dug up transite pipe and it looked brand new Could even still read what was stamped on the outside

@ARC_30-06

3 жыл бұрын

There’s still some of it in service here where I live. Old transite lines, but they are few and far between

Do we need to comment on the asbestos mill and how those fibers were just floating around all willy-nilly? Someone go back in time and tell that dude to take his mask really seriously

still in use today after 40 years of service.

Make mine asbestos! Asbestos for war! Asbestos for the home front. Asbestos for breakfast, too!

A neighboring town has miles of this stuff used for water mains. They suffer from continuous water main breaks.

@MatzeSeifert

2 жыл бұрын

How old are these pipes?

All that grinding and milling had to create a lot of asbestos dust. Most of the workers were breathing it in.😮

Asbestos was know to be hazardous to health since the 1920's. Greed has no limits.

@krotacios9812

2 жыл бұрын

Fact, a hate those articles that say "it took so long for us to figure out the health effects of asbestos", when in reality we knew it, not even since the 20's, since the 1890's. Do some research if you are curious

@kapioskapiopoylos7338

2 жыл бұрын

@@krotacios9812 well i know for a fact they had undeniable medical proof since 1930s. But where money got involved asbestos factory goes BRRRRRRRRRR untill early 2000s here in europe.

A nightmare cocktail of materials and the workers never knew! What could you add to asbestos to make it worse? Ah yes silica! The water company I work for still had a lot of AC water mains including some really large diameter ones that are slowly being replaced because they now burst so regularly. The AC has started to go soft and spongey from age and often we find it’s turned oval shape making it impossible to install a repair clamp.

I want to see the list of ingredients in that "totally safe to use with water" grease used to connect asbestos/silica drinking water pipes 🤨

Yes everyone needs a tight joint now and then.

I can’t help but wonder how PVC stacks up to this stuff. It seems like it would be lighter, easier to make, more flexible and as long life does anything out there.

Finally a pro-transite video!

If seen some old broken pipes like this. The material is strong kind of like plastic, but it degrades and probably leaches asbestos fibers into the water. Unfortunately I live in a city with lots of old pipes. Who knows what effect it can have on the stomach but anything that pierces the lining isn't good for the health. Stomach lining protects your nerves from damage. Damage which has been linked to neurodegeneration which can spread from stomach to brain via the nervous system.

Asbestos, you mentioned a safe and clean way for water purity 😂

Ahhh, The menacing miracle mineral

No protection if pipes burst during pressure tests! @11:00

Asbestos pipe wrapped pvc. Perfect water pipe.

There's 1000s of miles of old AC pipe in the UK. Very brittle

Mmmmmm......asbestos fibers. The smell of victory.

Well now i know why the cement here is impossible to drill. And people are dropping dead like crazy

Awesome! Asbestos flavored water.

@StreetGang2017

3 жыл бұрын

Not really too bad for the end user as it quickly gets lined with minerals although it does stay pretty smooth.I used to work with it a little bit but we knew what precautions to take.Keep it wet and no power tools.

@gregorymalchuk272

3 жыл бұрын

@@StreetGang2017 How do the rubber o-rings on the Transite pipe joints look after 75 years in service?

@StreetGang2017

3 жыл бұрын

@@gregorymalchuk272 Well I never actually seen a joint failure.Usually the pipe fails due to blowouts of the pipe itself mostly at the corporation.When this fails it fails big and it`s a real mess.

@StreetGang2017

3 жыл бұрын

Also tree roots will damage the pipe badly

@deconteesawyer5758

Жыл бұрын

@@StreetGang2017 So joints = good , corporations = bad ?

I picture a bunch of people smoking cigarettes and doing multiple asbestos-tearing takes, to make sure they got it wafting into the air on film. Those were the days?

Long life, thats the pipe, not the people using it.

5:10 is totally not dis concerning. What an impressively thin, light and terrifying material. Such a shame it'll kill ya. :( as a welder it'd be nice to have a thin breathable long sleeve shirt with those properties.

With zero consideration for the worker’s health, is it any wonder that the cases of asbestosis, pneumoconiosis etc show little signs of being reduced - as evidenced by the countless claims in many insurance companies liability claim departments? Having started in the department in the late 70’s, I always thought that the number of new claims would reduce as Health & Safety requirements would make the job of handling asbestos that much safer, but when I retired in 2010 the number of claims had varied very little. To this day I have no idea why or how - despite the dangers of working with asbestos being so much better understood!

@deconteesawyer5758

Жыл бұрын

Cancers usually do not show up for around thirty years after exposure so you would see little change in the number of new claims in that time frame even had all exposure been eliminated.

YIKES!

I dont get the reason for asbestos in the pipe , make it fireproof? Any fiber would work fiberglass or hemp.

@izzycurer1260

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder if airborne fiberglass particles might cause the same issue

@deconteesawyer5758

Жыл бұрын

@@izzycurer1260 Industry representatives concede that surgical implantation is indeed a cause of cancer, but suggest that the studies showing a relationship between inhaled fibers and factory workers are invalid. So we are safe to breathe fiberglass.

@NinoJoel

Ай бұрын

It's there to increase the strength like glas fibres would.. But back then they used asbestos since it was cheaper

All the men died early. Well worth the cost . Great company. Great country

All that asbestos...scary