as a guy who regularly attacks people using knives i have to admit this video is very true and helpful

@edgarburlyman738

Жыл бұрын

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@frontenac5083

Жыл бұрын

Why on earth do you attack people who are using knives?

@thetreatment498

Жыл бұрын

Average British be like:

@grine6966

Жыл бұрын

Glad it could help someone! Hmmm.... Wait a second... you are the one using the knives or the opposite???

@jh7589

Жыл бұрын

@@grine6966 he gave them the knife. makes it fair

Thanks for taking a look at USDC and sharing a realistic perspective about knife defense! A lot of people in the comments said: "you should have kept more distance!", but as you said there's only so much distance you can keep in a closed environment for 20 seconds!

@Raven_Fable

Жыл бұрын

You made the source material for this video, but so few likes and no comments? Let's fix that.

@kchikwete

Жыл бұрын

Gun-Fu is the strongest technique

@Raven_Fable

Жыл бұрын

@@kchikwete how bout them tazers tho

@username-yc3bd

Жыл бұрын

@@kchikwete if you have the draw time of arthur morgan

@UnusualElan

Жыл бұрын

Rokas, what an incredible series you did! Thank you for the insights and entertainment :)

23 years ago on the TTC (toronto subway), I saw 2 men fighting, one with a knife. The unarmed guy took his sweater off and used it to tangle up the knife (he used it like a matador would use a cape to taunt a bull - when the guy slashed at him, he interposed his removed sweater like a blanket into the blade's path. The knife cut into the sweater, but also got caught in it for a couple seconds, long enough for the other guy to jump on him and knock him out with a few punches). The unarmed guy was clearly a trained fighter, amateur or otherwise.. but in the panic of the assault, it was fascinating to see that little trick work.

@aventurero4260

Жыл бұрын

Half of the battle is knowledge the other half is extreme violence

@HeadCannonPrime

Жыл бұрын

Was that guy Jackie Chan?

@andresouza6346

Жыл бұрын

In the South America, (especially in the South of Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina), exist a Martial Art called Esgrima Crioulla, where the masters teach you to use a poncho or pelego for the same reasons (but with a sword/machete/dagger in the other hand)

@DylanJo123

Жыл бұрын

@@HeadCannonPrime lol, i had the same thought. nothing more dangerous than jackie chan with an article of clothing

@y.1190

Жыл бұрын

Having a cloak in the offhand was one of the Renaissance fighting styles; the subway dude's technique has historically backed utility.

I've been attacked by somebody with a knife. It was the scariest moment of my life. Got away with two stab wounds, both were minor, fortunately. I got lucky because the guy attacking me was overweight and out of shape and ran out of breath after a short while. I was able to push him and he fell and then he got subdued by bystanders.

@blunderingfool

Жыл бұрын

So... why was a freaky fat fuck trying to feverishly fish fillet you like a friday night feast?

@cryptosporidium01

Жыл бұрын

This is why the snarky "haha it's a useless skill if someone attacks you with a knife you're dead meat no matter what" comments are stupid. Not every lowlife that attack people with a knife is going to do a decent job at it. Attackers can be drugged, nervous and shaking or out of shape as it was that case for you. The more trained you are the more likely it is that you won't be hurt in those cases.

@EnigmaNL

Жыл бұрын

@@cryptosporidium01 Very true indeed. I have no martial arts training at all but neither did the guy who attacked me. I was physically fitter than him and that's probably why I was able to escape with my life, if I wasn't able to push him off of me I probably would have been killed. The thing that really fucked with me was the fact that I didn't even feel that I was stabbed twice. I only felt it hours after the attack. I also had several slashes in my forearms and they hurt more than the stab wounds.

@edgarburlyman738

Жыл бұрын

Did you at least get his wallet?

@Skallagrim

Жыл бұрын

@@cryptosporidium01 Yes, *realistic* training gives you a chance, and like I pointed out in this video a large enough gap in skill / fitness can negate the huge advantage that a knife brings. But it can't be stressed enough how dangerous this situation is, and how it should never be taken lightly.

I used to practice martial arts. There are a number of techniques for defending yourself from a knife-wielding opponent while unarmed, but the most important technique that you should always use first in that situation is: don't fight a knife-wielding opponent while unarmed.

@WaylonMoone

Жыл бұрын

In TIKWONDO, It was more for self defense, if the person tries thrusting the knife to us, we block it from the blade with our hands perfectly aligned to take control of the attacker and disarm himS

@huldu

Жыл бұрын

In most of these scenarios you're well aware of the knife attacker. In most real life situations you wouldn't be, they'd come up from behind and shank you. My point being that you can't be aware of your surrounding all the time. It's impossible. You just being on your phone is a distracting someone could easily exploit. There are so many ways to take someone down without them even knowing about it. These feel like potential bar fight scenarios where one or both are drunk and in rage mode. The good thing is that in reality the odds of you getting stabbed are fairly low to begin with. Many people go through their entire life without ever getting stabbed to begin with.

@ziggarillo

Жыл бұрын

The other big problem of course is. If you want to stab someone you don't show them your knife.

@jh7589

Жыл бұрын

its ok, i can read between the lines. Bring a crossbow. gotcha

@BrunoHenrique-gi1wd

Жыл бұрын

"there are a number of techniques for defending against a knife wielder" has the same energy as "my girlfriend who goes to another school"

Just a thought: I think we should have a societal standard that *every* martial arts club that is claiming to teach skills that can be used in practical real world scenarios should replicate these kinds of knife defence scenarios with all of their students as a grounding exercise. Hell, set completely untrained, skinny, marker-armed teenagers against your students to really make the point lol

@michaelpeters6659

Жыл бұрын

Some BJJ gyms will do this a couple times a year. We usually do it on Halloween 👻 and yeah can you possibly maybe sorta not get cut too bad? If you are fast and lucky and make zero mistakes yes it’s possible. But odds are highly stacked against you

@valandil7454

Жыл бұрын

My 1st weapon was the knife my Jujutsu teach did that to me once a week, COVERED in ink head to foot but getting better and more aware Think Jim Carrey "the pen is blue!" 😄

@corrugatedcavalier5266

Жыл бұрын

This is not a realistic scenario, though. This scenario is: You're locked in a room with a person with a knife who is intent on killing you no matter what, who is also invincible and you have nothing but the clothes on your body. I agree that any knife defense that claims to be legitimate should be scrutinized and tested, for sure, but this specific scenario has little grounding in reality.

@tommeakin1732

Жыл бұрын

@@corrugatedcavalier5266 Granted, you could say it's a worst case scenario, but you can still put people in locks and inflict pain. "Nothing but the clothes on your body" could be adapted and experimented with if you wanted (like putting a chair in the room or something lol). There's thousands of real-world modifiers that *can* come into play, but the core common point is you and what you know.

@corrugatedcavalier5266

Жыл бұрын

@Tom Meakin "worst case scenario" doesn't even cover it as the attacker is invincible in this scenario. But some of the things you mention would at least make it more interesting.

As Sensei Seth's Editor, it's fun to see you react to this. Been watching you since like, what? 2014? Good stuff.

@shiyotso1

Жыл бұрын

Waiiiiit what?!?

@andrewk.5575

Жыл бұрын

That fencing video must have been a real challenge for you.

@ZakFerguson

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewk.5575 Was HILARIOUS. But He mainly edited that one. I only did the animated portion. I mainly work on the react channel and support edit for the main.

@crustybomb115

Жыл бұрын

@@ZakFerguson wait theres a react channel?

@ZakFerguson

Жыл бұрын

(Idk if links work here. If they don't, then just search "Sensei Seth Reacts")

One thing I heard from a police officer is that when you have to defend against a knife, it's not a matter of IF you get stabbed, but how many times you get stabbed. It's really one of the worst situations to be in.

@BlooCollaGal

Жыл бұрын

The loser dies at the scene and the winner dies in the ambulance.

@umbranoctis4348

Жыл бұрын

@@BlooCollaGal Something like that, yeah.

@GreenTimeEagle

11 ай бұрын

@@BlooCollaGalbro that hurts to think about but actually thank you for that comment. Very true. Maybe the best defence is to shout God’s name, hoping for a miracle>>> because you know, out of 6 professional fighters, ONE got 2 points…

@BlooCollaGal

11 ай бұрын

@@GreenTimeEagle The best defense against a knife attack is "cardio." They have to be close enough to touch you in order to use the knife. The 2nd best defense is "make enough distance to draw your gun and shoot them."

@jimmyrustler8983

11 ай бұрын

Carry a very bright torch, 1,000 lumens plus. Get one ideally with a crenelated bezel for striking. Using a jacket, coat or thick sweater in your offhand if you have nothing else makes for a decent improvised shield. Hope this helps.

I survived a knife attack unarmed. Suffered only 1 stab wound to my arm. The reason I survived was because I had two friends close by who helped me subdue the attacker

@y.1190

Жыл бұрын

No single attacker can defend against consecutive normal punches!

@laurencefraser

Жыл бұрын

The power of friendship!

@webbowser8834

Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, knife man vs multiple unarmed defenders is a completely different story than knife man vs lone unarmed man.

@SamuelLevant

Жыл бұрын

“A good friend doesn’t try to break up a fight. A good friend comes in with a flying kick.” -Renzo Gracie

@user-tzzglsstle585e38

Жыл бұрын

@@SamuelLevant lmfao

Reminds me of Fairbairn and Applegate's WW2-era expert advice on hand-to-hand combat for the Commandos, the SOE assassins and other elite fighters: The first rule on fighting an attacker armed with a knife was "If you have a gun, shoot him.". It then went down the list of other techniques, including using your own knife and using all sorts of improvised weapons ( a steel pot helmet works as both a buckler and a dandy club when swung by the chinstrap with verve and desperation). As far as they were concerned, fighting completely unarmed was scraping the absolute bottom of the barrel. And if you had to, you fought dirty -- recommended techniques included things like eye-gouging if you got an opening. On the flip side, for the Pacific theater, CQB training explicitly noted that the average American soldier or Marine was taller and heavier than his average Japanese counterpart and focussed on using that with all-out bullrushing attacks. Of course, all of that training, being military, pre-supposed that running away was not an option, that any fight was to the death, and that any encounter had to be settled quickly before another enemy with a gun showed up to finish you off...

@HiragamaIkunai

Жыл бұрын

I mean in most locations you might get stabbed at or attacked in the first place there is shit just laying around that you can use to even the odds if you can't escape.

@grilledleeks6514

Жыл бұрын

"Running away is not an option" That has never been a thing in our military. Stop basing your silly opinions on Hollywood

@1stCallipostle

Жыл бұрын

​@@HiragamaIkunaiAn alleyway is the only place I can think of where it might be an issue. No dirt, probably nothing you can actually pick up besides some random trash, and you can get cornered. Of course, if you can, have something on your person at that point.

@danfriesen4417

Жыл бұрын

I'd also recommend biting when the opportunities present themselves. Hard.

@gatocles99

Жыл бұрын

Self defence, especially when a man must protect his wife and children is an all out fight to the death. Running is not an option. And the threat must be eliminated as quickly as possible before the criminal's friends show up. Also, the criminals will be armed, but a man must fight to the death regardless.

Speaking as someone who has been stabbed (on two separate occasions) this video seems to confirm what i've previously thought: i'm still alive partly because by luck both wounds were in non-vital locations, and secondly because my attackers were not committing at all like the ones in the video. I'm pretty sure one my my attackers went into shock once he actually got me... while i went berserk at my flesh wound. Next thing i remember is beating him into the gravel with my fists until he seemed incapable of standing up. He'd dropped his knife, but if he'd kept hold of it and stabbed a few more times i'm quite certain i'd be dead. Man, this video gives me chills. it's like seeing what could have happened. Wish I had something contructive or informative to say but frankly i'm not any kind of expert. The video seems like a terrifyingly accurate depiction of what a determined attacker would and could do to an unarmed defender.

@RoninTF2011

Жыл бұрын

I prefered teamwork...I kept running backward from the a**hole, while a friend of mine pulled 1-Liter Beerglas trough his face. Worked like a charm as the attacker was focused on me... One of the paramedics I knew at the time, told me the dudes face bones where a 200-part-puzzle afterwards. He never got to use his knife We still got lucky that the attacker was drunk and incompetent

@formlessone8246

Жыл бұрын

One problem with the series as a whole are behind the scenes things that so far only Ramsey has talked about. One of them that repeatedly comes up is his questioning of how realistic the scenarios actually are-- how did we get here? What is our escape avenue? Why is someone trying their hardest to stab us to death? Psychology of criminals isn't well represented in the scenarios, essentially. The only reasons he didn't repeat those complaints about the shank tank episode is that when he was a missionary in south America for the Mormon church, he witnessed multiple murders both with guns and with knives, and the knife attacks apparently played out exactly like this. He was having flashbacks during the event, which is why he said it was so unpleasant (oh, he also had a busted knee from the night before, which is why he physically couldn't stay on his feet-- and the pain still wasn't as bad as the flashbacks). So he can't deny it happens, and has always warned his audience about knife attacks. This is also where he got mugged and how he knows not only to comply but the exact way to comply without escalating-- it happened to him more than once.

@grilledleeks6514

Жыл бұрын

I'll take "fake stories" for 500 Alex

@spamhonx56

Жыл бұрын

@@grilledleeks6514 you know, i can't blame you. i wouldn't believe shit i hear online either... and yet it stil gets under my skin to see some rando just going "lol fake" about major incidents in my life. how dare i have the temerity to talk about being stabbed on a video about knife attacks.

@phileas007

Жыл бұрын

Dude, r u from London or something, that you get regularly assaulted with a knife?

I have a few things to say. 1. Regarding the "just run" thing, you might wanna know these guys actually did an episode about just that. The challange was to flee from knive attackers. All of them failed. 2. My biggest gripe with this particular challange is the thing you mentioned. The attackers are basically undestructable. 3. Ramsays life must really suck right now😂

@crustybomb115

Жыл бұрын

to be fair he also had a massive disadvantage with one of his eyes basicly not seeing anything in the middle... also i wouldnt say that either

@gilgameshkingofheroes5903

Жыл бұрын

@@crustybomb115 That's exactly what I was getting at. And his messed up leg

@Doomsday_Report

Жыл бұрын

On the whole attackers being armoured up thing; if someone's high enough or desperate enough they can push through any amount of pain you can dish out, you basically have to knock them out cold, even submissions and nerve responses can fail, and the "refs" did call for the attackers to back off at least once (I think it was Mike's 2v1 he had a guy by the balls) Even without gear you can watch any combat sport and see people walk off the stuff they were doing, getting punched in the face sucks but it sucks less if you're prepared to punch them back, leg kicks and body blows often take repetition over a couple rounds to really take effect, joint locks and submissions work mostly the same gear or no, I figure a rugby player in pads and a tweaker 3 days into withdrawal have about the same Honey Badger energy.

@gilgameshkingofheroes5903

Жыл бұрын

@@Doomsday_Report That's correct. But there's a difference between "pushing through pain" and "invincibility".

@b.h.abbott-motley2427

Жыл бұрын

@@Doomsday_Report There's a video of the Active Self Protection challenge of a security guard dropping a charging knife-wielding attacker with a single kick.

Marine Corps knife training when I was in, unarmed vs a knife, you go for an arm break. It probably wouldn't be super effective against a specialist knife fighter unless you got very lucky, but against enemy soldiers where the knife is a backup weapon at best and likely a desperation weapon it's probably the way to go. Probably difficult to safely replicate this. If you're trying to do this sort of thing for real you really have to unleash serious brutality and commit to crippling or even killing your attacker.

Just for you to know: a good number of people proposed your name as a partecipant for the second season of this challenge :) it would be cool seeing HEMAists in it! Btw, historical knife defence has a big advantage on modern: gambesons 😅 I think that a good gambeson would enhance greatly the probability of survival against a knife...

@Skallagrim

Жыл бұрын

Wow, I didn't expect my name to come up there. Wish I could, but currently I'm just too much of a wreck physically.

@andreabeltrame1111

Жыл бұрын

@@Skallagrim well, season 2 contestants are already decided and we don't know if, when and were there will be a third, so... you should have time to heal and prepare!

@laurencefraser

Жыл бұрын

Interestingly, modern clothing can actually be surprisingly effective in this role too. Even cheap rainjackets. The important part is basically that it needs to be loose/baggy. Of course, thick and layered helps a lot too! You still have to actually deal with the guy with the knife, but you go from 'will almost certainly take serious injuries in the process even if you succeed' to 'might get away with only minor injuries if successful, and are a bit more likely to survive the experience if the other guy isn't dead set on making absolutely sure you are Definitely dead if unsuccessful'.

@formlessone8246

Жыл бұрын

​@@Skallagrimapparently you aren't much more of a wreck than Ramsey was. Dude was recovering from COVID, had lost 30 pounds of muscle mass, and had two days worth of sleep deprivation from jet lag. All this is why he hurt his knee so badly in the zombie episode. In hindsight he said he would have demanded he and Jeff Chan get the same amount of time to acclimate that the other contestants got*. Also, he is legally blind due to the skull fracture he got in his last professional fight (his opponent had loaded wraps), and almost all of his remaining vision is in his periphery, which the helmet cut off. It's a testament to how skilled he is at grappling that he did as well as he did. He can literally fight blind if he has to. * Of course Jeff Chan is a professional athlete in his 20's which is why he didn't get wrecked like Ramsey, but it's only fair and safe.

@Skallagrim

Жыл бұрын

@@andreabeltrame1111 The problem is I've been struggling to figure out what's wrong with me, fix it, and lose fat for the past 3 years... Temporary success here and there, but I keep hitting walls and regressing. -_-

I’ve been trained for this. First thing I was taught is expect to get cut. If unarmed, as quickly as possible wrap your shirt (preferably a jacket if you have one) around your weak arm. Use your weak arm as a shield while attempting to disarm the enemy. It’s actually recommended to try and take a stab in the arm and use your arm as a lever to wrench the knife out of the opponent’s hand. In short, it’s a bad situation to be in.

@edgarburlyman738

Жыл бұрын

Then you're just in a hand to hand fight but you've got a gaping wound and are losing blood while your opponent doesn't.

@frontenac5083

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like the perfect recipe to be stabbed to death...

@siegfreid3623

Жыл бұрын

Nah, I'll just shank your abdomen

@DaShikuXI

Жыл бұрын

@@edgarburlyman738 Which, in a case where you can't run away, is leagues better than being stabbed 15 times, as then you would have 15 gaping wounds instead.

@saldiven2009

Жыл бұрын

This is similar to what an old friend of mine said he was taught in the military regarding knife fights like 40+ yeas ago. No idea if he was BS'ing or not.

I know a flawless knife defense for a martial artist. So they pull a knife, first thing you do is back up, then you move your hand towards your waist, this is essential. Then (this is the most important step.) you pull out your conceal carry and shoot them.

@Kragatar

Жыл бұрын

Even if you don't have one, that move might work. They might think you're going for a gun and high tail it, not realizing it was a bluff.

@crustybomb115

Жыл бұрын

murica moment...

@astartesfanboy5294

Жыл бұрын

@@crustybomb115 fair. though suppose a british moment is just dying from the knife attack.

@ArifRWinandar

Жыл бұрын

@@astartesfanboy5294 no, british moment is banning all knives

@heathjordaan5488

Жыл бұрын

@@ArifRWinandar hes a criminal, he'll have a knive otherwise they will go old school and grab a screwdriver....screwdrivers are great staby staby weapons but i suppose the UK will just ban all industry at that point and claim thier green initiative is great and working well

I'm so sad to hear about your health and that you no longer consider yourself a martial artist. I hope you do become a fighter again. I really loved seeing you spar and the martial knowledge that you have is quite valuable.

@Skallagrim

Жыл бұрын

Thanks.

@TIGIO

Жыл бұрын

Go get them Skall! You'll get in better shape

Interesting point, I attended a seminar quite a few years ago now, done by a bloke who had served with the Shin Bett (Israeli equivalent of M15). He tackled unarmed defence against a knife attack. He made it clear that if you are unable to escape, then you are going to get badly injured, simple as that, if you survive at all. The defence they were taught was to be as reckless as the attacker, put them on the defensive then you stand a bit of a chance. He said as soon as they pull a knife, you attack them and go full out, go for the eyes, the throat, the genitalia; scream, shout, spit, if you feel like you're going to vomit then vomit on yourself - they aren't going to want to come close - or on them. Don't try and make them go away, go to incapacitate them and don't even think about the knife or you'll be too slow.

@WaybackFencingClub

Жыл бұрын

You had me at vomit.

@DylanJo123

Жыл бұрын

Can i achieve the same effect of vomit if i piss myself? I can see myself doing that much more than vomiting

@y.1190

Жыл бұрын

@@DylanJo123 whipping your own 'naked weapon' out may disturb the attacker enough to have an effect. What that effect will be, however, I cannot say!

@FelixstoweFoamForge

Жыл бұрын

Damn right. Accept you'll get cut. And go full-bore medieval at them. Sounds simple. But simple don't mean easy. Most of us, if untrained, freeze when attacked. That's why we train, so we don't freeze. Problem if, most of us don't REALLY want to hurt anyone either. And if he's got a knife, you do have to hurt him.

@sleepographer7712

Жыл бұрын

@FelixstoweFoamForge , yes, I think that to muster the will to commit to maiming or killing someone when you'd rather not is something that some people are more capable of than others. And I agree that it is a good scenario to train for, even if just mentally(thought exercises.)

Reminds me of the old Indiana Jones movie for some reason, when he is confronted by the sword guy that clearly is good with it, and just puts him down with a single revolver shot 😂

@DamianPendragon

Жыл бұрын

Every single knife or sword video. Every single knife or sword video. Every damn knife or sword video. Yes, we remember that movie. We are reminded every single knife or sword video

@balsamon69

Жыл бұрын

​@@DamianPendragon Lmao for real? First time i saw this

@WaybackFencingClub

Жыл бұрын

In that close space if you truly were being hunted by the knife guy drawing a gun and getting it on target in time would also be pretty difficult. Not impossible but training would be required. I'd definitely go for the gun option and lots of range time for this scenario.

@Duothimir

Жыл бұрын

@@WaybackFencingClub The swordsman was pretty clearly more interested in showing off/intimidation than actually killing Indy, which gave Indy plenty of time to consider his options.

@valandil7454

Жыл бұрын

​@@Duothimirand it was entirely Ford's idea to just shoot him apparently, Lucas liked it so much he left it in 😄 Honestly though from that range seeing a guy with a gun...throw the sword at him and take cover

It would be even worse than that considering that getting stabbed would probably reduce your fighting performance by quite a bit, if not straight to zero depending on where it was.

@Kragatar

Жыл бұрын

Yeah people always forget that there's more than pain involved. Quick knife swipe across the arm and there goes all your tendons, making that arm unable to move.

@b.h.abbott-motley2427

Жыл бұрын

Based on extensive data from across time & space, stab wounds in most locations do little or nothing to hinder a sufficiently motivated person in the short term. It takes blood loss or damage to the central nervous system to reliably incapacitate a person. This applies to bullet wounds as well, though they typically cause more blood loss than stabs & typically do more damage to bone, etc. We have ample historical & recent examples of people stabbed in or around the heart who remain active for at least around ten seconds & sometimes more. We have examples of folks who get stabbed in the head & don't immediately drop. Lots of people who get stabbed don't even realize they've been stabbed until later. & so on.

@Jamoni1

Жыл бұрын

@@b.h.abbott-motley2427 Get out of here with your fancy clinical data and statistics! I'll take my uncle Larry's questionable anecdotes any old day!

@1IGG

Жыл бұрын

Less than you might think. When I studied law, there was a case of a guy stabbing the new boyfriend of his ex girlfriend. The guy being stabbed fought him off and only later realized that he was stabbed several times and nearly died of blood loss and had to have an emergency operation to survive.

@Leo.23232

11 ай бұрын

@@Jamoni1 exactly, people making shit up because it seems like its true but not looking at the empyrical evidence that shows otherwise getting stabbed would most likely not affect your fighting performance, it will however affect your survival chance

You didn't show the moment when Seth sent the attacker flying with a side kick, and then immediately went in and got stabbed Please everyone, watch the whole series, it's amazing and super fun.

@dramalexi

Жыл бұрын

Or how Jeff Chan did a fantastic single leg takedown without injury, then tried to ground and pound his attacker, who then stabbed him in return.

@Priapos93

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget Icy Mike's impossible feat. He has literally said that it was impossible, then he only goes and does it.

@jonharker9028

Жыл бұрын

Icy Mike’s commentary on Seth ruining that opportunity was perfect. “You blew it! Dude hits the most Sensei Seth-est side kick, right? Sends the guy flying to the other side of the country-” “Did you hear- did the building shake?” *“Yes!”* (immediately followed by) “And then you were like, 'Oh, that worked really well.'” «runs in like a cartoon character»

@16m49x3

Жыл бұрын

@@jonharker9028 Seth's been doing too much Sumo lately :P

I've been in a situation like that (sort of) while working as a security guard. Thief pulled a blade while we were in a closed room. Lucky for me we were already grappling standing up and I managed to get behind him and keep control of his wrist with both hands and twisted the hell out of it. He dropped the blade and I kept him standing up and held the blade under my foot while waiting for the police to arrive (they were called before hand). In the end the damage was 11 tiny cuts on my trousers that didn't go all the way through the fabric. I was lucky that the starting situation was in my favor.

The BIG benefit of a baton or staff is that you can directly strike at the weapon and weapon hand out of range of the knife. That changes the calculus of the attack substantially. So the moral is, if you can't carry a knife, at least carry a big stick.

@deltamico

Жыл бұрын

All hail the stick

@DH-xw6jp

Жыл бұрын

Should i speak softly while carrying it?

@laurencefraser

Жыл бұрын

A lot of people underestimate how utterly lethal a good stick can be, too*. Though it's still an easier weapon than most to use effectively while Not killing the other guy, if that's what you're after, but that still takes a lot more skill than not caring about that aspect. As an added bonus, most places will accept such a thing as 'reasonable force' in the event that someone Does come at you with a knife. *most random sticks you encounter are not Good sticks. They're usually old, crappy branches. Good sticks tend to be made from the middle section of a decent sized treetrunk (the quarterstaff gets its name from being made from a tree trunk cut into quarters length ways and the 'inner' part one of those quarters being used to make the staff.)

@kleinerprinz99

Жыл бұрын

And thatswhy batons are illegal to have in my country. Hahaha. Any decent self-defense tool is outlawed. It's ridiculous. The Legal & Justice System just lives in its own little fantasy world. Woe you if your ever get caught up in it.

@maxlutz3674

Жыл бұрын

@@laurencefraser Another added bonus is that carrying a walking stick is accepted in most social settings. Mine is a good piece of hickory. Having suffered a knee injury with long term effect I also have a perfectly good reason to carry it. Not even LEOs would part an old man from his walking stick.

This is almost certainly just down to how knives are like one of the most common weapons used in most violent crime, the whole world over (just as a result of how literally every kitchen has knives) - but seeing people full-contact spar in simulated knife defence situations gives me chills sometimes. No other situation does that to me. I think it also has something to do with how insanely fast people can be with knives and the shear amount of damage minor movements can do.

@spacemanx9595

Жыл бұрын

That's not full contact because the unarmed guy isn't throwing punches like his life actually depends on it. He's MMA wrestling another MMA guy who has a highlighter.

@BeingFireRetardant

Жыл бұрын

But yes, to your point... Knife fights are very quick, very dangerous little boxing matches. Carry two knives.

@immikeurnot

Жыл бұрын

Also; knives wound you just by making contact. Plus, they can be made very easily by literally anybody on the planet. Most common weapon followed closely by the AK.

@immikeurnot

Жыл бұрын

@@BeingFireRetardant Hell no. Carry a gun and keep distance.

@1stCallipostle

Жыл бұрын

​@@immikeurnotCarry a gun, AND a Knife. Never hurts to have a backup.

My fencing instructor spent a few classes teaching us about knife defense. Most of what he taught us had us wielding our own knives for one but there were three big takeaways I had from it: First, knives are terrifying and even if you win you're almost certainly going to get hurt. Second, every defense technique we learned essentially broke down into "control the blade just long enough to get an opening and use that opening to brutally injure your attacker." Third, your chances of survival go up substantially if you move first but in most situations where you'd have that opportunity it's safer to just give up your wallet or run.

I’m saving this video for every time somebody says just “why didn’t they just take the knife away”

@grilledleeks6514

Жыл бұрын

No one has said that

@1stCallipostle

Жыл бұрын

​​@@grilledleeks6514h you'd be surprised. Or an old flame of mine saying "you don't need to carry a gun, just learn a martial art." Because not killing attackers is clearly more important than not BEING killed.

When I was actively involved in martial arts I would regularly spar unarmed against (rubber) knife, and it was so incredibly difficult to take down a knife-wielder without taking what would be a serious if not lethal wound in the process. If the knife-wielder was attacking with commitment, it always felt that I had at most one opportunity on the initial approach to get control of the hand with the knife and remove it from the fight, and if I missed that I was screwed.

The three best defenses against a knife: -A well kept pair of running shoes -Strong legs -A head start

@FelixstoweFoamForge

Жыл бұрын

Much better one; A bloody big stick!

@malipedduparthiv6147

Жыл бұрын

a glock 17

@malipedduparthiv6147

Жыл бұрын

or greatsword

@gibbous_silver

Жыл бұрын

you don’t need running shoes to run

@zerenx8272

Жыл бұрын

First of all the point is you are not able to run there's no immediate available escape, and secondly how can you have a headstart when you dont know who will stab you 😂 can you read people's mind?

Seth and skall in the same video is such a cool crossover

I'm glad to see you comment on Rokas' project because the Self Defense Championship was absolutely amazing, some of the best videos here on YT and some of the results were scary to see. After all, these guys invest a lot of time into Martial Arts, cross train a lot of styles and still they had no chance

I've been meaning to watch that too. My whole vjew of knife defense kind of changed when (I think it was Icy Mike that said this.) 'Give a kid a marker and try to take it wlaway from them without getting marked.'

@vaportrail226

Жыл бұрын

Why couldn't you just Spartan kick a kid through a wall, then casually walk over and pick up the marker?

@koosh138

Жыл бұрын

@@vaportrail226 because I'd be laughing too hard.

Reminds me of back when I was in an ACTUAL marial arts class, we loved having new students do basic 1v1 stuff, because they dont know how to "pull their punches" yet, they just go for it! So your form better be good or youre gonna get got!

Having gone through a lot of different training environments and methods, I personally think that, in general, knife defense is there to improve your survival skills from 0 to 4 or 5 out of 100. The advantage of being armed against someone unarmed is absolutely insane.

I 99.9% agree. But these guys weren’t trying to really hurt each other, it’d be interesting to see one of the “defenders” stamp on the attackers knee or hit the knee with a powerful lateral kick that could cause some serious tendon damage. But 9999 times out of 10,000 just run if you can.

@laurean5998

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, same thing with headbutts

@aliberkozderya3112

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, the knife looks menacing even when the attacker is holding back his strength but, the defender who is supposed to use blunt impact attacks looks pathetic when he has to hold back. I think videos like this might end up having the side effect of encouraging criminals with knives :D Sure, having a knife does make you extrelemy dangerous to your opponent, but what if you get a stab or two at him just before he pushes you down and stomps on your head. That is deadly too... Obviously it's a lot more desirable to not get attacked in the first place but if I ever do, I hope I can make my attacker a lot less comfortable than what we see in this video

Don’t get down on yourself, you are a true martial artist. Just because you can’t train the way you used to doesn’t make you any less of a martial artist. You make great and interesting videos. I don’t train HEMA, I train BJJ, but I find your videos very interesting. You will get back to it when the time is right.

I have nothing to add except that I didn't get PTSD from the military, I got it from driving taxis in Australia and you explained why better than I ever could

In the third episode Ramsey managed to catch the knife using a shirt, but it didn't do much good because the other knife attacker attacked him while he was busy restraining the first one.

@schibleh531

Жыл бұрын

At that point, why don't they throw 4 alligators armed with rifles at Ramsey? 2 knife attackers? Seriously?

@ArifRWinandar

Жыл бұрын

@@schibleh531 4 alligators armed with rifles would be less dangerous I think, but it was a weird scenario to begin with.

@andreabeltrame1111

Жыл бұрын

​@schibleh531 jokes on you: while in australia they also thought about how to fight an alligator (or a crocodile? Don't remember) XD it was featured in a comedy video by Sensey Seth, who was also a partecipant in the tournament. (Btw, the point in that specific challenge was more in running away that to fight back)

@NikozBG

Жыл бұрын

@@schibleh531 It was in another challenge where they tried to first hide then escape from a building while being chased by numerous attackers and Ramsey was the last man standing, so naturally a lot of the pursuers end up chasing after him. Honestly go check the whole series out, all episodes are super fun and informative.

@formlessone8246

Жыл бұрын

The problem is one that even Ramsey conceded on his channel: using markers as knife analogues sucks, because you can't grab the marker itself. It's too short, won't get entangled in clothes or flexible weapons, etc. It doesn't resemble a pocket folder either because the grip to blade ratio is skewed. At best it resembles a box cutter, which have been used as weapons, but those have really flimsy blades that are liable to snap on the first or second successful stab, and it won't get deep penetration either way. And don't get me started on the problem with slashes-- clothes like a windbreaker can reasonably protect you even from more serious knife cuts, which is why most combat knives emphasize stabbing. Admittedly, knife defense training has a problem with finding the perfect knife analogue that has the perfect balance between safety and realism. So it's understandable so many training centers use markers-- if nothing else they are cheap.

THIS WHOLE SERIES IS AMAZING! Rokas and MA Journey really outdid themselves on this one!

Pure class from Skall not spoiling the point-scoring round when he easily could've. Respect.

7 years traditional Juijitsu experience, the advice for defense against knives was always, strike with kicks against your opponents solar plexus or gut, your shoes provide more armor than you relize, but never lose your balance, in the event you need to grapple keep the knife at arms distance always follow an oppents momentum, try to throw your opponent as soon as possible, if you grapple up close never stop striking preferably with the knees, never end up on the ground without full control of the knife, the floor is death, know that no matter what you are going to be cut minimize the damge taken maximize damage given, always try and strike leathal areas, if your opponent is equally skilled unarmed you're most definitely fucked

haha just when I thought that series couldn't get cooler with the level of collabs, Skal goes ahead and makes a reaction video. Would definitely like to see you compete maybe in season 3 to see how you do compared to non trained individuals with a melee weapon segment.

this is the perfect react video, not only do you have a reason and point to reacting to the video, you also leave out the best parts and encourage the viewer to watch the original video multiple times. Absolutely fantastic work!

So cool to see you reacting to these videos. I loved the Ultimate Self Defence Championship series, and Rokas' channel haha

I love when you talk about unarmed martial arts and these scenarios in self-defense. Keep it coming!

Just as Joe Lozito how well MMA works against knives. He's not an MMA fighter, but he was an MMA _fan,_ and when a guy on a stabbing spree attacked him on a subway, he was stabbed 14 times in the head and back while taking the guy down. Then the two cops who were in the next car, _watching the whole thing,_ came out and cuffed the stabber, didn't call an ambulance or render any aid, and left Lozito there while another subway passenger tried to staunch the bleeding with a bunch of paper napkins. The cops got medals. Lozito got a hospital bill and then a legal bill when he sued and a judge threw out the case because police have no duty to protect anyone.

I think my jujitsu instructor put it pretty succinctly. "If the other guy pulls a knife, run the other direction." There are some techniques and moves that CAN help you disarm or fight an armed opponent, but the odds are still stacked against you and you should avoid it unless you have literally no other options. If the knife-wielder has any remote degree of competence, you are not getting out of that without injury.

Recently I got one of those KZread ads for a book about knife defense (because who needs actual training amirite) and the way the knife guy just stood still while being rapidly disarmed was so infuriatingly unrealistic.

As someone who is 80% a Combat Sport / MMA guy but who has attended some HEMA classes and enjoys your channel, it's very cool seeing you cross over into this content. Sensei Seth has done some HEMA; it'd be great to see you guys collaborate together, even if it was just some remote chatting.

I think that the unarmed dagger defense might be geared more towards armored fighting in the instance you get disarmed, but showed unarmored for the sake of demonstration. I obviously wouldn’t know for sure though.

I taught self defense for 10 years and when it came to knife defense this was my ultimate conclusion as well. Very, very difficult, if not impossible.

@boshirahmed

Жыл бұрын

The strange thing is that it pretty much makes it useless to train 99 percent of your time in conventional martial arts. It's not fun. It's exhausting fighting for your life in ten seconds. Most places don't teach it because they don't know how.

That whole video series was great and I really liked the varied and diverse scenarios they were put in.

Re-discovering your channel after a few months despite being subbed and you've put out some really great stuff recently! Keep it up, I know KZread is a fickle beast!

Me and a couple of sparring partners used to practice this same way with a red sharpie(Our goal was merely to survive the round with as few red marks as possible). The catch 22 of training to fight someone with a knife is there's only two ways to handle it in a real scenario: Disarm or kill. Both have to be lightning fast and can seriously harm a training partner if done correctly, so you can't really get better at it. You also mentioned the skill aspect, and you're right. Like, I'm sure I personally could disarm the average person(due to 4 years of training for MMA competition), but someone of similar or better skill? Eh... Maybe??? The problem I see in this video is that they just grapple the attacker, which is literally THE WORST THING you could do against an armed opponent(I.E. present your exposed rib cage to someone with a pointy thing). The only way I see unarmed is to try and bat the first swing or thrust away and strike for groin or try and lunge for the eyes, and in that split moment that they are disoriented, try and just end them. If you miss your opportunity, your opponent is NOT going to give you a second chance. But, the best thing to do would be to grab an object of your own. At least you have something to put between you and the attacker, and maybe, just maybe, clock them in the skull with the object. It's not impossible to defend against a knife assailant, just very, very, very difficult to do, and you just have to KNOW WTF you need to do and how to do it. For anyone that's about to say it: I'm not being an armchair warrior. I trained for MMA competition for 4 years, and have done this same exact thing as a training tool. It's possible, but ONLY in certain scenarios, and with a LOT of skill and a healthy dose of luck. I definitely came out of plenty of our knife sessions looking like a red-striped tiger! Lol.

The thing about a knife in a fight, people are getting cut. If there is no escape, I believe the only option is sacrifice concern about injury to eliminate the threat before you are knifed beyond ability to fight.

I loved this series so much, seeing you comment on it is excellent. And yes the one guy who got points was entirely unexpected. But awesome.

The cross-over I never expected and always needed.

A weapon with more reach? Maybe one that also makes a loud noise in an enclosed space to shake the opponent? Maybe an explosive powered slug thrower? Edit: And ofcourse he nails it at the end. 10:27

@codywilson682

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately in a small closed room like this a knife is just as, if not more, effective. So situational awareness is the first step.

@nathanielkidd2840

Жыл бұрын

@@codywilson682 that’s what I was thinking. It’s very easy to conceal a knife, a bit harder to conceal intent, but if you’re checking out at a register and the person behind you decides you’d look better in red? Hopefully you’re good enough to deal with them while you’re wounded.

@WaybackFencingClub

Жыл бұрын

The first rule of going out is the buddy system. The second rule is have armed buddies. The third rule is to refer to rules 1 and 2.

In the Marine Corps we were taught the best ever knife defense, Shoot them with your rifle.

@y.1190

Жыл бұрын

Fix bayonets!

@valandil7454

Жыл бұрын

Sadly that doesn't exactly work all the time either 😐 Knives and various other melee weapons are still standard military kit today, it's not enough to have a gun, not many people are crazy enough to just stand there like a deer in headlights

@Skelstoolbox

Жыл бұрын

Until you are a marine stuck in the UK..

@schwarzerritter5724

Жыл бұрын

In the (German) army we where taught if the rifle is not an option, hit them with the shovel.

@roycehuepers4325

Жыл бұрын

​@@SkelstoolboxMarines use bayonet

I think my only one issue with the Shank Tank was that the attackers had no need to defend, due to the protective gear but this was addressed in the live stream with Rokas and Jeff. Jeff said, during that live stream, that next time he'd recommend that the defenders went full on and didn't pull their attacks because the protective gear was there to keep the attacker safe and that in their own delivered sessions of this (outside the Ultimate Self Defense Championship) that this had resulted in the attacker occasionally losing the scenario (due to recovering from a heavy strike combination etc). Nice breakdown, I enjoyed it and popped over following Martial Arts Journey flagging you'd posted about it :)

Skall, I really enjoyed this video! Extremely fascinating! You are really good at watching and analyzing the action (like a sports commentator)

The problem with these types of challenges is that you can't do the tactics that would give you a chance. If you are stuck in a room with someone with a knife and there is no escape of weapon you can use, you're only hope is to break the opponent in the first few moves. Grab the arm and break it, stomp on their knee, jam their nose bone into their brain, do SERIOUS damage to the solar plexus. Those are some of your only chances, which are tactics you can't really use in a challenge like this.

@serathaevistille995

Жыл бұрын

True. But even doing those or attempting them, you are, 9/10 times, still going to get stabbed or cut.

@Nickle_King

11 ай бұрын

@@serathaevistille995 Oh. No question. I’m just saying that these kinds of challenges are bunk. I remember one of my teachers saying that, if someone pulls a knife on you and you can’t placate them or run away, you are going to get stabbed. There is no way to stop it. Just prepare yourself for it, ignore it, and go for the vital parts of the body. Groin, plexus, upstriking the nose bone. Control the knife arm if you can, but you must end the fight in one move or you are going to die. And you can’t really do that in this king of challenge setting.

I still think the best method of unarmed combat is to get armed quickly.

Man I'm subscribed to martial arts journey, ramsey dewey and you so it's fascintating to see your take on their content. 👍👍

I loved the self defense challenge so much, excited to see this reaction

I'm reminded of a quote, "There's only one thing you need to know about karate. Guns beat karate, every time."

One limitation is they can't actually harm eachother with all that protection on. For example the knife could land a fight ending wound immediately to a artery or central nervous system hit, or the defense could land a fight ending organ popping or bone breaking kick immediately with paralyzing pain. It does do a good job showing just how fast and brutal and hard it could be.

"Wait...I have to go to the bathroom!" Lol...so true! Great review!

I was hoping for someone to react to this like you or Matt Easton, awesome!

My old BJJ instructor has been in a knife fight and he told me the first thing you do is you attack the hand that has knife and you don't stop until the knife is out of the hand. He also said be prepared to get cut.

@frontenac5083

Жыл бұрын

You should indeed prepare yourself to be at least cut, if not stabbed to death, if you are gonna try and use BJJ against a knife wielding attacker! This is a mad thing to do.

@WaybackFencingClub

Жыл бұрын

We all saw the same video right?

@zeroblade6599

Жыл бұрын

You hear ''prepare to get cut'' a lot, but nobody ever tells you what that means you should do

@danieldunlap4077

Жыл бұрын

@@frontenac5083 he lead an interesting life. He is proficient in a number of fighting styles, muay thai, eskrima, Western boxing, etc but this was his main advice when it came to knife fighting if you didn't also have a knife.

My philosophy with knifes is if you're fighting one you're going to get cut.

Thanks for the very great review.

Great collaboration!

Unarmed knife defense=run away as far as you can.

@QualityPen

Жыл бұрын

Yup. I’ve started learning knife fighting/defense based on Fiore’s dagger and modern knife fighting systems, and the disarm techniques shown take the odds of survival from 0% to maybe 15%… All the disarms are extremely situational, depend on very specific angles/tolerances, and are not easy to get right.

@jaketheasianguy3307

Жыл бұрын

It's self explanatory that running is no.1 plan. At this point you don't have to say it out loud anymore since it's not helping anyone or contributed anything. Guys who only talk about "just run" are usually don't practice running that often. And also, every plan will have it's downfall. Like in this simulation, where will you suppose to run to ?

@ArifRWinandar

Жыл бұрын

In the third episode where running is an option nobody managed to escape the knife attackers because the knife attackers ran faster than them.

@sunbro9744

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'll ditch my girl on the spot. Great plan. Always the same tune.

@yamato9753

Жыл бұрын

But what if the attacker is faster?

the moral of the story is don't be unarmed and don't let politicians force you to be unarmed while criminals remain armed

Surprised to see these two worlds meet, I've been watching both Skal and these guys for a while

Sorry to hear about your health issues. I hope everything get better

The best defense in a knife attack is to use your legs and run in the opposite direction of the attacker.

@ArifRWinandar

Жыл бұрын

What if the attacker has better legs?

@screwtape2713

Жыл бұрын

@@ArifRWinandar Quote I saw decades ago by that great sage Anon: "Scared as sh*t is faster than mad as hell."

@gilgameshkingofheroes5903

Жыл бұрын

They tried that to. Didn't work either.

*Remember, folks! You don't **_have_** to wrestle with an attacker who is wielding a knife, and you don't **_have_** to wrestle the knife itself. (In fact, it seems like a not very smart thing to do.) Remember: this kind of nonsense is peddled by those who want to sell you the latest fad, BJJ for instance.*

@gilgameshkingofheroes5903

Жыл бұрын

You think you can just decide where the fight goes? You must hella good then.

@LeyvatenLoop

Жыл бұрын

Aight, say that to the attacker collar-tieing or under-hooking you with a knife on the other hand

@Skallagrim

Жыл бұрын

As you can see in those tests they *tried* to stay away, but it's extremely hard to avoid getting rushing by someone who is recklessly chasing the grapple.

@TheNEOverse

Жыл бұрын

What do you propose then? The most success any of these guys did have came from actually grappling the knife hand and keeping it from even being used in action. Running, kicking or anything just got them stabbed.

I have an idea for an experiment. Now normally you definitely don't want to be on the ground on your back in any fight, but here's what I'm thinking: You can kick and keep someone away reasonably well if you're on the ground and they're not on top of you. Also if they are standing up with a knife, it is kinda akward to stab or cut someone lying down without them getting on at least one knee first. Would be interesting for the sake of an experiment to try this out.

Nice video, I live in Nottingham and the last few days tragedy has shown how fast and lethal a determined attacker with a knife is. Also saw a video of a someone trying to do ‘knife-defence’ with a pistol… all good and well until the person with the knife decided he had enough of being laughed at by the ‘trainer’ and rushed at full speed the 25 yards…the guy with the gun could not un holster the pistol and got knocked out cold. And that was 25 yards standing start… Imagine in a room or an alley way or something…25 yards of clear space is a very, very big room.

@1stCallipostle

Жыл бұрын

25 yards IS quite a distance. I think that guy might just have a shitty draw.

@yannichudziak9942

Жыл бұрын

@@1stCallipostle the six previous demonstration were pretty lax and the ‘demonstrator’ had been disparaging about the ‘knife-wielder’ after the sixth ‘display’ … The last one was extremely explosive dash and the impact knocked the person with gun down and he banged his head after which he was out cold. Don’t piss off the people that are co-operating with your demonstration I guess…

Great video! I used to take Krav Maga class. the first thing the instructor said that if you are menaced by a knife (for example for money), you should give away the money. no questions asked. if however it is a life and death situation, you should consider and balance out pros and cons. he tought us some tecniques to use, the same you showed (go for the hand of the knife, disarm, and so on. then he entroduced ince a month the redman. the redman was basically a training where you where disarmed and with no protection, while him was in a red shell (helmet, chest protection, leg and arm protection). 30 seconds round (felt like 3 minutes). he could attack you with bare hands or a stick or a knife(fake knife). you just have to react and not get beaten up. his strenght was of course limited but the intesity was 100%real. you ended up out of breath, a little bit beaten up (from the stick usually) and emotionally damaged by the fact that you could not defend a knife attack without injuries.

I wasn’t expecting this crossover!

Man I wish we knew each other Skull! I don't always agree with you but I love your point of view. I think we could have many cool conversations . And hopefully even share knowledge and skills.

Thanks for the great content.

Great review of maybe the best martial arts material ever produced.

Box cutter in grappling is dangerous af.

As a long time fan in the martial arts community and here, Ramsey Dewey, the first fighter you saw was already injured and couldn't move properly in this video, his right knee was buckled and he's still dealing with the injury today (4 months onwards). The other issue he has is as an ex-MMA pro, an impaired vision, coupled with the helmet he was wearing, basically no vision. The injury he puts down to the sleep deprivation from jet lag and lack of sleep due to work he had where he teaches in China, but also he had recovered from having COVID a week before. So, with all these injuries amounted and as the oldest participant, he did very well. This is also the reason why he hated this so much, even though he has done things just as intense before but found it much easier.

Never forget my coworker who would repeat this story to everyone he knew about how he supposedly fended off 11 assailants with a few knives across them, in an underpass, at night with his bare hands. I remember he claimed to have knee stomped the first one. I always would argue about the plausibility of that story, even though this guy did HEMA for a long time and actually was a master with daggers. I remember him telling me a story I actually believed, which was him competing in a tournament in Japan as a teenager and managing to land one strike with daggers on some infamous warhammer master in a suicide dive towards his belly in a match he obviously still got squashed in. Miss working with that guy

I trained knife defense in the army and later when I was a security guard. (I live in Israel so that is essential unfortunately) We were always told that if someone with a knife surprises you, you aren't getting out unharmed, but hopefully it allows you to push the attacker away enough to allow you to use your weapon.

" _The best chance to survive a knife attack is to have a sword_ " Gonna have to agree with you on that one. There's another aspect that we went over in some of our training, and that was a case study reviewing hundreds of videos taken from camera footage of knife attacks. Turned out that roughly 70% of them were surprise attacks. Generally speaking: if someone really wants to stab you, they aren't going to announce their intentions or reveal the knife. In other words you've already been stabbed before you know what's happening, and depending on *where* you've been stabbed, your ability to react and defend yourself is further diminished. And if you do see it coming, and you have had proper training, and you can't run away, and you have to fight or your life, and even if you are successful, there's virtually zero chance you'll achieve this without getting sliced to buggery.

@smievil

Жыл бұрын

haven't tried against armed opponents, but pulling my sword out from my pants tend to make most people run away screaming pervert at me.

We did knife defense in a self defense class in college. The point of the exercise was "Don't try to fight someone with a knife. You will get stabbed. Just run." The only thing that sort of worked was kicking, but it was always a matter of (very little) time before you would miss, or cut your leg cut. Side note: saw examples of the "jacket method". I had brought a jacket, and even weights to put in the pockets to make it heavy. It is much harder than you might think, and in real life the knife just goes through. We also tried throwing the jacket at them and kicking the knife wielder down. We ran into issues with that being too dangerous for practice, but it isn't particularly effective anyway. Having your own marker worked best because you could make space by threatening the attacker, but if they were willing to bet stabbed, you'd get stabbed too. The phrase I remember was "Congratulations, you won. Your prize is you might get to die in the ambulance instead of the street."

I've always been of the opinion that if you're in a situation where you feel your only way out is to use a knife, forget about "never pull a knife unless you're willing to use it." It should be "never pull out a knife unless you fully INTEND on using it." And the other person shouldn't even be aware that you have it until the point when they're wondering why they're bleeding all over the place. …Oh, and make sure you have a good lawyer if you live in a state that doesn't have a stand your ground laws, because you're more likely to get away with using a gun for self defense than you are with a knife. And with the gun, you're more likely to get off when you shoot to kill than you are if you shoot to wound, regardless of whether or not you actually kill them. And that came from a cop, and was backed up by other cops i asked over subsequent years. It's all about "being in fear for your life," and the way the average person responds to such scenarios. Hint: they're usually not concerned with "winging" the assailant, they're just concerned with getting out of the situation with their lives. I live in Massachusetts. I remember 10 or 11 years ago a guy attempted to mug a man at knife point. Unfortunately for the mugger, the person he was trying to rob ran an MMA gym outside Boston*. It ended up with the mugger disarmed and suffering a broken jaw. The police came and decided it was clearly a self defense scenario. The mugger was placed under arrest and brought to the hospital. His intended victim was allowed to leave with a pat on the back and an attaboy. A couple hours later the was a knock at his door. He answered it and the two cops that had responded to the call were standing there with apologetic looks on their faces. They informed him that they were there to place him under arrest, because the prosecutor decided his response to being robbed at knife point was unwarranted. He was charged with aggravated assault and battery with a deadly weapon: the f'cking knife he was threatened with and took off the mugger. So yeah, he had that going for him. *Getting in fight in a bar is FAR more dangerous now than it was in my bar hopping days twenty years ago. It seems like half of everyone you meet is taking some form of jiu jitsu or some shit like that.

@laurencefraser

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That's... kind of insane. Like, I could see it if he had actually Stabbed the guy after taking the knife, but absent that...?! What on earth was the prosecutor wasting his time on such nonsense for?

@timwhite5562

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@@laurencefraser WTF knows. Why are prosecutors letting people rob stores blind and not allowing cops to arrest them, but prosecute a guy restraining a ranting and raving lunatic terrorizing a train load of people with murder, in spite of literally every witness saying they felt in danger of their lives and the guy charged with murder was a hero? It's what they do. In these states, if someone breaks into your home, you are required to flee and not confront the intruder under ANY circumstances that doesn't involve you being in eminent danger. That includes if you have children who's rooms are in the other part of the house. It sounds insane, I know. It IS insane, but it's verifiable reality. BTW: I have no idea how this ended up, I've tried to look it up numerous times, but can't find it. I heard it on a "top of the hour" news brief on the radio on my way to the commuter rail after work. It wasn't on some talk radio show or anything like that. There are tons of stories just like it.

I used a broomstick to fend of a knife. The reason being I manage distance while moving in circles because of boxing and the radius of a broomstick is large but its light and hard enough to induce fear when it zips by your head

yay skall is once again talking abut someofmyfav topics

If your knife attacker is truly skilled, you will never even see the knife. A security guard here tried to intervene to mediate a dispute, and was stabbed through the heart without ever knowing his attacker was even armed. In an earlier post, I mentioned Capt. Fairbairn and Col. Applegate of WW2 Commando and SOE/OSS training fame. That was about their advice on defending against knife attacks. Their advice on carrying out knife attacks was equally brutal: In an ideal "knife fight", your enemy doesn't even realize you *have* a knife until you have killed him with it. You *never* brandish your knife; you either use it or you don't even display it. Capt. Fairbairn reportedly demonstrated this to every new candidate to SOE school (and possibly the Commando courses) in an unforgettable fashion. In the 1940s, almost everyone smoked. The British battlejacket had chest patch pockets that were the perfect size to hold a pack of cigarettes and a lighter or matches, so that was what most people carried in them. Capt. Fairbairn modified his right chest pocket to conceal a full-sized FS dagger - the hilt sat in the pocket hidden behind the cigarette pack while the blade went through a slit in the inside bottom of the pocket and into a sheath sewn inside the jacket. From the outside, all he had in his pocket was the usual pack of cigarettes. Capt. Fairbairn would individually greet each new recruit, engage them in conversation, then ask if they wanted a cigarette while casually reaching into his pocket. The next thing they knew, they had 7" of razor sharp steel pressed against their throat and were being told: "You're dead.". None of them ever saw it coming. And none of them ever forgot Fairbairn's First Rule of Knife Fighting either: "Don't fight. Kill." Apprently, many of the uniformed Commandos trained by the captain subsequently carried their FS knives concealed in a similar fashion sewn inside their battledress chest patch pockets or trouser cargo pockets to give them a surprise "edge" in a sudden close encounter.

Good thing to remember as I will soon be travelling to Annecy in France and might spend also a couple days in the UK 🙃

Some film with Kevin Costner suggest you wrap one arm with a tablecloth or jacket. But the defender has no such option. So in way the disadvantage of the defender has been made overwhelming in this example. In Annecy the guy had a backpack as a shield and the attacker ran away. But if you are naked against the attacker, this is a great example.

one thing to remember, the 'attacker' here is quite skilled and experienced, using feints, body position, and grappling to give himself the best advantage, not exposing the knife, and so on. Most RL attacks by a knifeman that result in a kill the knifeman is 15-25 years old with no martial experience, and usually holds the knife out way in front of them or over their heads to show it off. Against these people you *might* have a chance, by concentrating on the knife arm, if you can get 2 hands on the knife arm and twist it, remembering the attacker does not know how to fight other than how to stab so will tend not to try and grapple or use his legs, that is a way you could beat the knifeman without taking stabs.

Imagine my despair watching this from the UK

Happy to see skallagrim in my recommended! :)