Ultimate Vintage Drums Comparison | Part II (Sonor, Gretsch, Slingerland, Hayman, Pearl)
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The Drums:
Late 1950's Sonor New Beat K170 Chicago 20“ x 14“, 13“ x 9“, 16“ x 16“ in Plastic Red with 14“x5“ D471 One Ply Snare
1942 Slingerland Rolling Bomber 26“ x 14“, 13“ x 9“, 14“ x 14“ in White Marine Pearl
1980s Gretsch Square Badge 20“ x 14“, 12“ x 8“, 16“ x 16“ in Black Sparkle
1970s Hayman 22“ x 14“, 13“ x 9“, 16“ x 16“ in Electric Blue
1970’s Pearl Wood-Fiberglass 22“ x 14“, 13“ x 9“, 16“ x 16“ in Satin Gold
Late 1960’s U.S. Mercury 20“ x 14“, 12“ x 8“, 14“ x 14“ in Blue Sparkle
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The Drums are played with a 1968 Ludwig Supraphonic in 14“ x 5“
Cymbals:
16“ Masterwork Jazz Master Crash (as Top), Anatolian Baris Crash (as Bottom)
20“ Istanbul Agop Traditional Thin Crash
22“ Istanbul Agop Signature Ride
Microphone Setup:
Bass Drum: Beyerdynamic M88TG, Golden Age Project R1 MK3
Snare: Shure SE V7 (Top), AKG C 451 B (add. Top), Shure SM57 (Bottom)
Toms: Beyerdynamic M88TG
Overheads: Neumann KM 184 (Stereo), Coles 4038 (Mono)
Room: Cascade X15 Stereo Ribbon
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Performance / Recording / Mixing: Alex Höffken
Cinematography / Editing: Marcel Brell
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I really love that late 50s Sonor New Beat kit . Beautiful sounding drums .
@Drumsmurf
Жыл бұрын
Exactly! And that snare, awesome, sounds as good as an expensive Craviotto etc.👌🏼
I’m a big SLINGERLAND fan, but I liked the SONOR best here. Great snare too.
@weehudyy
6 ай бұрын
My first kit was a ' bitsa ' Sonor kit from the late 50s . 20 x 14 kick , 12 x 8 tom and a 14 x 5 snare . I re wrapped them and sold them to buy a full matching red sparkle Sonor kit that had a 14 x 3 in picolo snare that I traded in on a Premier 2000 ... I had an 80s rosewood 14 x 6 1/2 Sonor that was a killer . I have a couple of their Made in PRC chrome snares currently ... and one of their amazing Made in Germany kick pedals . Tubs Triv : apparently Ludwig's original metal snare with individual tuning was based on a German marching snare made by the man that would start the Sonor company
That slingerland kit is just something else
Man, all those kits sound fantastic. The Slingerland is gorgeous, and I love the big, fat toms on the Pearl and Hayman. But that Sonor is my favourite of all of these. The toms are incredibly musical yet punchy, and that little bass drum sounds so nice.
That Rolling Bomber is at the top of my bucket list of drums... great video!
@DrumsBonedo
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
I think the Sonor teardrop has the most open and colourful sound of all. My favourit.
Thanks for the excellent video. Great history lesson, description and playing, Alex! For me the sonor has the best allround sound quality. The slingerland sounds so warm and i also like the hayman bassdrum.
Those Sonor's sound amazing! The Slingerland set is "way cool" & also sounds nice as well. The Hyman's are also amazing. I've always wanted to play a set of those.
I own a Sonor teardrop, and love the hell out of them. BUT, I was surprised by the Pearl sound.
Incredible video. That Slingerland is a museum piece: what a find. Gorgeous Sonor set.
Sonor no doubt.That snare is perfect.
what a nice video, learning a lot, that first sonor kit may be the nicest kit i've ever seen, it sounds killer too
This Slingerland….😍
Great video! Love the Pearl and Hayman kits.
Really enjoyed this comparison! Liked the sonor, slingerland is outstanding
Wow! Really nice demonstration of all these kits! But it's a real treat to see & hear the Slingerland Rolling Bomber kit, with original heads(!).
Thanks for this great Video!
I want a Rolling Bomber. Imagine saying you have a rolling bomber! Cool as!
And the winner is - Sonor! This Snare sounds much better than legendary Ludwig supra...
I absolutely love this series as well as your other content. All of them have their own beautiful unique tones however subtle. My mindset on old "cheapo's" has changed & wish I'd never sold all the drums i had. I believe I threw a U.S. Mercury 3pc in the trash one time during a move. Doh.
@DrumsBonedo
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Derek! :-)
Thanks for the wonderful videos comparing all of these classic drums (both vids)! I was most impressed with the Sonor and Hayman kits (all three drums) in the "Part II and also liked the toms, but not the kick drum, on the Pearl Wood/Fiberglass kit. I was most disappointed with the Gretsch kit (got a "Round-badge" Gretsch kit handy?). And my compliments on concentrating on how the drums sound and not getting carried away on showing off your own "chops." By the way...I recall reading something about the Hayman "Vibrasonics" having some sort of double-shelled "sound chamber" design, at least on their kick drums, that really enhanced their sound volume (decibels), as well as their tone. Does your Hayman kit have this "feature" or did I just misunderstand/misread something? BRAVO on the vids!!
That Sonor has it all, wow!
wonderful video
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Such a great video
OMG that SONOR!!!!
Great video! I like all all makes but I am down to just two kits. '48 Slingerland Radio Kings and '69 Ludwigs. Can cover all styles with these. Three ply on both. Cheers!
@DG-sf9ei
7 ай бұрын
Don't forget 3 ply with re-rings. No matter the name on the drum tag, any Manufacturer that used 3 ply with re-rings had the best sound. That design had full range dynamics that automatically adjusted and stayed consistent no matter the acoustics of the room or whether you're hammering them to heavy metal or light jazz .....they always sounded great and blend perfectly with the band.
The Sonor kit, all the way! What an open and rich sound! The Sonor snare was giving the Supra a run for it's money too. Rack tom could have used a slightly higher tuning... now its head was so loose it was bordering flapping. I liked the dark deepness of the Slingerland a lot as well, but the Sonor wins - phantastic and beautiful kit!
my blue hayman sounds great here :-)
The mercury seemed like a winner
I’d love to see a comparison video of ludwigs from the 60’s - 80’s comparing 3 ply mahogany and maple to 6 ply shells! Rogers kits also :)
@DrumsBonedo
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I would like to see that too! Do it. :-)
@DG-sf9ei
7 ай бұрын
No comparison. 3 ply with re-rings sound like real drums, whilst anything else of full compressed plies sounds like another cheap chinese import, no matter what name on the badge.
any chance you're selling the Slingerland set? I'm located in Belgium :D
These stencil kits Mij sound pretty good considering you can buy one of these for around $300
Hayman drums! Wow they Best sound for me
Sonor, hayman,pearl 🙌🔥👏💪
😍Rolling Bomber
Love this video. I agree with many of the rest of the people commenting here - the Sonor's for me sound the best with the Gretsch coming in a close 2nd. I own a Sonor Teardrop snare which I have owned since it was found in a pile of mouldy rubbish in an ancient rehearsal studio in the Edinburgh Old Town in the early 80's!!. It was in a very sad state. I spent ever since improving it by finding original missing parts but now it has been rewrapped(original finish was destroyed) and I needed to find a replacement throw-off and butt thanks to Sonor for their new "Vintage series" system, St Drums in Germany for the Delmar re-wrap and sellers on Reverb for an internal dampener and a bottom hoop. My question is how do you tune that Sonor snare so well and what heads are you using? My 14" heads are always too big (diameter of drum ISN'T 14" but 35cms which is slightly smaller). This means the rim touches the lugs before I can tension it high enough! What heads do you recommend for the solution??
@DrumsBonedo
Жыл бұрын
Hi Nick, thanks for your comment. I suggest to get in touch with Herbert Heim (Vintage Drums), it's his set & snare, he also did the makeover. hheim-vintagedrums.de
@nickjones252
Жыл бұрын
@@DrumsBonedo aha yeah his stuff is amazing!! Thanks and once again great video and tuning too!
the sonor and pearl for modern and the slingy low tuned and gretsch higher tuned for vintage. Hayman all around great
@drumsbonedo would you mind write what are exactly the heads on the Sonor kit? Both resonant and batter! Thanks!
@DrumsBonedo
Жыл бұрын
Hi, please write to Herbert Heim, he is the owner: hheim-vintagedrums.de
@shagherwell
Жыл бұрын
@@DrumsBonedo thanks! 🙏
Batman kit was lush!
No Premier ??? no ASBA ???
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My friends, only need to say this: SONOR and HAYMAN....
Hayman and Sonor for me.
Liked the Sonor best.
Definitely, rolling bomber
Sonor & Mercury
The Slingerlands are in a class by themselves, drums are simply no longer made this way and this design and its obvious preferable qualities are lost. No plastic head invented by the hand of man will ever sound as good as a calfskin head. Used with timpani, it is the ne plus ultra of timpani sound. This is the sound of calf with wood, unmistakable and it cannot be replicated with synthetic materials.
@llRoBoBinHoll
5 ай бұрын
I think a lot of the sound is attributable to the 26”x14” bass drum dimensions. The toms don’t sound that special in my opinion. The calfskin heads sound amazing but I think it can be closely replicated with thicker sybthetic heads and muffling. I think the wood hardware doesn’t benefit the sound that much tbh
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Gretsch sounds choked and like synthetic tin cans as usual. Amazing how the jazz puppets cherish them. I'm an original jazz player, not some jazz institutionalized conformist that bows down to a certain brand because of status quo. Therefore from an unbiased review of playing all these brands.....I can confirm 1 thing just as this video points out too: Gretsch are trash cans at unbelievable inflated hype pricing.
@StreetsOfVancouverChannel
6 ай бұрын
“Synthetic tin cans” in contrast to organic & naturally occuring tin cans? 😏