Ultimate LONG RANGE FAIL! DJI VS ANALOG
Ғылым және технология
WE WANTED TO TEST LONG RANGE FPV with DJI Vs analog.... things didnt go to plan. pretty much the mission went SNAFU
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pretty much the mission went SNAFU . also I just want to say thank you to this amazing community even after yesterdays mistake in the video. the support you guys show is amazing and the comments were nothing but full of kindness. There was even an influx of people signing up to bit.ly/uavfutures so if you left a comment or decided to help support this channel thank you. it means more than you know.
@swimadamswim
4 жыл бұрын
Forgot to add ....my air unit failed after 250m through a 🌲. Having a lively discussion with DJI currently..
Pro tip: aim your directional antenna in the general direction of the transmitter, not at the ground.
Haha looks like a typical day of flying for most of us 🤣
Stew! You GOTTA upgrade your antennas on the goggles! DJI intentionally installed subpar antennas so they could pass certification for the goggles transmit power levels. ANY LHCP antenna is going to be an upgrade, but if you're going to push range, you really need to put patch antennas on there, like the TrueRC Singularities. They will easily double your range to about 6km! On top of that, do the 1,200mW hack, and now your range is increased 31% !
@mongranperspective4809
4 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. TrueRC singularity and 1200mW is key.
@KIKI55cro
4 жыл бұрын
1200 mw hack! wth! dose it work also with the radio controller link or only the googles? (if u use DJI radio controller?)
@trevorc6793
4 жыл бұрын
Hi, Im just getting into long range, is there a reason you say LHCP instead of RHCP? All my FPV gear is RHCP and would rather not change to LHCP if it isn't crucial. TIA
@protonus
4 жыл бұрын
@@trevorc6793 The DJI HD FPV system uses LHCP out of the box, so if you want to change to RHCP, you need to change all 6 antennas, 4 on the goggles, 2 on the air unit. Changing the goggle antennas is much more important than the air unit ones. The other thing is most people fly RHCP, so if you leave it LHCP you will likely get less interference from those still flying RHCP on analog etc. So most are staying with LHCP on DJI, and just upgrading the 4 goggle antennas, and only changing air unit antennas as needed. As far as literal range, there is no difference if no sources of competing interference are present.
@trevorc6793
4 жыл бұрын
@@protonus Thank you. I don't have the DJI system so that's were the confusion is! Saying that, it sounds like a good idea to go LHCP with my 5.8ghz for my long range flight though.
love how people test DJI them with stock antenna's and puts them up with analog with patch antenna's. Should watch the video of Jet " Jordan Temkin " using DJI with trueRC antenna's then you start to see DJI can really do.
@UAVfutures
4 жыл бұрын
awesome you loved it.
@peterzingler6221
4 жыл бұрын
Well but then your system is no longer faa legal and you void your warranty. Which isn't the case with an analogue system so what
@lewisshipway7187
4 жыл бұрын
@@peterzingler6221 what are you going on about.
@makabra203
4 жыл бұрын
@@peterzingler6221 lmao
Fun episode Stew & Tony, keep it up, cant wait for part 2 :)
I just love this kind of videos👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
touch this fence with the back of your hand to see if its electric, I will use this blade of grass
First time I have watched your channel. Excellent, subscribed! from the UK!!!
Stu your Mad Man!!! Love it
Thats exciting stuff right there... 👏👏👏👏👊
Australia, you got a throne. America, hah hah hah. That's not a throne. This is a throne (insert picture of honey locust)
Keep putting in the true attempts and the failures. I laughed right away, but I knew you boys would come through on the next go!
haven't finished the video yet i hope you disabled the dynamic power of the dji system so it is actually running at 700mw. You can also unlock the airunit now to do 1200mw btw
@mavericm4
4 жыл бұрын
You need to give more details about the power levels you're running on each 5.8 vs 2.4 vs dji and also you need to turn off the stupid dynamic power on dji so it will allow it to go into higher power modes when not getting a arm command from betaflight msp
I absolutely love vids like this, documenting things not going totally to plan. It's great because this is how flying often goes, but man is it a thrill! And it's fun to take that thrill ride without our own money soaring in the distance lol. Great stuff as always guys! Also: just wanna add.. if it makes you feel better, we do have thorns that size here in the U.S. They tend to wrap around the base of trees and some bushes and end up hogging the nutrients enough that it kills the tree/bush. The problem is that since they wrap into non-thorny plants, they're easy to not notice until you stick yourself with one. I stuck one in the back of my head when I was little actually lol. They burn for DAYS. I wish I knew what they were called... I live in the midwest if someone knows plant life better than me that may help lol.
👍👍 glad you got your craft back. That was nerve wracking
If nothign [sic!] works, just enjoy the great weather :) thanks for the video and the thorn bush.
That was GOLD! So many funny moments! 'Touch it with the back of your hand' I don't care about the fun/facts police, this is normal blokes out there just having fun!!!!!
@UAVfutures
4 жыл бұрын
one of the few lessons I can remember as a kid. touch electric fences with the back of your hand... and run in zig zags if a crocodile is chasing you. never tested the later
Haha! Well it could have gone worse, might not have got it back 😆
Magic! Cursed flight made for a great video :D
Awww man... as soon as I heard Tony say this is his prized wing and hope it comes back... i got so nervous for you all and knew it was gonna end bad... sorry Tony
Lol, fun video Stu! Pay no attention to negativity, they'll be back to watch the next video.
haha excellent on the edge of the seat stuff, and i really like Long range Tony, he is a very down to earth and nice guy, you should do more videos with him doing fixed wing stuff
Wow Good throw
Looking forward to your review on some hardcore long-range systems like HEX Herelink, SIYI AK28 HD+ and SkyDroid T12. They all have over 10KM of control range. Both Herelink and AK28 HD+ have HD video.
Lol...Top Tip...don't do what these two are doing...How not to go range flying...lol. Poor Stu in his Anorak...he's cold...bless..Come to the UK, I'll show you cold...
watch out for that " ELECTRIC " fence Stew lol
@UAVfutures
4 жыл бұрын
i MADE TONY TEST IT FIRST
I need that rusted Fatshark decal! Any ideas where it's available from?
Waite waite waite! With all the love, I call shenanigan unfairness. You have the most gnarly antennas on your analogue goggles but just the regular garbage peg antennas on the DJI. Unfair good sir, unfair. Put two patch antennas on your DJI lower antenna pegs like two triple feeds. If you want to really push it order a VAS cyclops antenna and send it out. Promise you'll break all your records. Awesome episode though
@peterzingler6221
4 жыл бұрын
The dji system is no longer legal with different antennas and also you void your warranty
@bumbleboltfpv3707
4 жыл бұрын
@@peterzingler6221 Bwahahhaah Warranty. Friend, buddy, amigo. I'm sorry, but nearly every other person I've seen do videos is hacking there dji air unit up to 1200mw, and using patch antennas to get 2-4 miles range. I've done 1.5 miles myself with cheapy triplefeed antennas on 700mw. I only had to turn back because my battery was running out.
Im from Texas, we have lots of mesqiute trees with thorns like that, but I looked it up, seems Australia also has mesquite.
When all else fails, make sure you have good old trusty analog as a backup lol
lol @ first takeoff. On the DJI system you could tell the outsides of the frame were going super pixelated and it was concentrating its power to the center of the frame. This is probably what happens in the mode before it looses connection entirely.
Your thorn bush just looks like a Blackthorn to me, common across Europe too mate. :)
Not sure why you'd try go that far without directional antenna. Get some X-Air on there and try again.
@UAVfutures
4 жыл бұрын
we didnt use an x -air because well we dont have one of those.
When your gut tells you that you should do it (multiple transmitters), then you have a sign from the RC gods that says to stop (spiral takeoff), and you go anyway its always going to end bad. DJi runs on 5.8 and is both a transmitter and receiver and you had a 5.8 vtx which is no good. You launch a wing at full throttle and a sidearm throw and it torque rolls with that big prop.
The weather man needs a kick in!
Probably a good idea to never do that again? LOL :-) thanks for the video it was very cool
Hi Stew and Tony Great video and what fun,I can't wait for part 2 and see what happens, I just purchase the Sonicmodel AR wing and I also got the Matek F411 F.C for I can have a OSD and I plan on getting a GPS from a Beitian but there are 6 different types and I'm not sure what one to get. I would like to get a return to home working and the OSD for now. Have fun and see you latter.
@ButlerBuilds
4 жыл бұрын
I've only ever used the Britian bn-220. Cheap as chips and works faultlessly with the Marek FCs
@johncarold
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tony
Laurel and hardy do fpv glad you shown it warts and all.thats a normal days flying for me
What unidirectional antenna is that..?
1200mw the DJI unit, use some decent patches on the goggles and omnis on the air unit and then have a go.
@FAQUERETERMAX
4 жыл бұрын
How do you even get to 1200mw?
@MrChrisflowdy
4 жыл бұрын
FAQUERETERMAX look @madrc he has videos
@FAQUERETERMAX
4 жыл бұрын
@@MrChrisflowdy lol that's amazing
@MANOLET
4 жыл бұрын
I don’t think it’s legal tho
@Skankhunt-42-
4 жыл бұрын
@@MANOLET yeah if you get caught. Lol. Anything over 25 mw in Australia where I live is illegal. But really who flys 25mw? And unless you're a drone enthusiast, who knows the difference??
Looks like you flew behind the trees? Would explain why all links drop. Interesting is that the dji never comes back
Interesting how everything failed at same time
@UAVfutures
4 жыл бұрын
freaky
u guys put both digital and analog transmitter on the same craft???? Well no wonder you guys are having issues.
Was there any motor offset on that?
@ButlerBuilds
4 жыл бұрын
Nope. Set as stock
That range would be amazing! i should start commenting on your videos more. ohh and btw there is a small spelling error in your closing few seconds.
@UAVfutures
4 жыл бұрын
yeah but I wasnt going to re render the video just for that.
@mikeyb8839
4 жыл бұрын
@@UAVfutures Fair enough :)
Damn Stu...you and Long Range Tony couldn't get a tall tripod for the ground station🤔
@UAVfutures
4 жыл бұрын
we had the wire fence post though....
Oof/Bruh moment: 2:01
So bets on how long till the man gets involved?
Cam you do a 99$ build v3 please?
Anyone think the 2.4g and 5.8g bands might've been interfering a bit, effing with range?
Stu tell Tony to get u to over head his wing next time, That’s was painful to watch 😂
@UAVfutures
4 жыл бұрын
I asked that. he said no
@ButlerBuilds
4 жыл бұрын
That launch has worked faultlessly for years. The long grass, heavy wing and gusty winds killed me on the first launch. Oh hum
Stu sounding like GT
4:50: Why wouldn't you show the 5.8 analog feed? There's no sense showing DJI vs. Gopro. Also, why not put directional antennas on the DJI also? Seems like an unfair comparison to have directional antennas on the 5.8 analog but not DJI.
pretty sure in NZ we call that plant the 'bush lawyer'.
First time? 😂
I could watch this stuff all day its just genuine as it is for everyone in this hobby fun fun fun whatever goes right or wrong!
@UAVfutures
4 жыл бұрын
fun for me, tony was a bit stressed.
@VIRUSDETECT
4 жыл бұрын
@@UAVfutures Tony looks the coolest man on earth! He was more worried about the spikey Bush 😂
@ButlerBuilds
4 жыл бұрын
Just doing my part to ensure visitors to AU come fully prepared for the lethal onslaught of flora and fauna. It's Savage!
We have those in America except they are actual trees and the thorns are twice the size...
You should get a machete for retrieving drones.
Try same but dji 1200mw
Guise. RF harmonics. @xjet explored this topic years ago :/
What’s the point of that? DJI can easily go 6km without other systems in the same frequency on the same rig.
@UAVfutures
4 жыл бұрын
fun and well in this case DJI just stopped working.
Could have crashed into a Gympie Gympie bush, that would have livened up your day
Definitely Maverick and Goose not shore which is which though lol
@UAVfutures
4 жыл бұрын
which one ends up dying again?
Stu.... Let the man talk. Bossy!
@UAVfutures
4 жыл бұрын
trust me you dont want to let him rave on too much.
@gmivisualsjason3729
4 жыл бұрын
@@UAVfutures poor Tony I could listen to him all day....
@ButlerBuilds
4 жыл бұрын
I'm with wannabee, Stu's a dictator!
Can't tell if a fence is running electricity ? It will 1. Make a sound 2. Tick at a certain frequency. You could definitely tell if there was electricity running through it.
@noname-wo9yy
4 жыл бұрын
well you can just touch it...
@NeverenCH
4 жыл бұрын
@@noname-wo9yy true... i know some other things you could try too... lol
Unfair antenna play. Can you please repeat but with patch antenna.
Long range with omni antenna!! Obviously is don't work, use true rc antenna patch, and level up power, and stop your video fail about dji system, is an incredible innovation for our hobby, it's not a danger for actual analog systems, it's just and second option
@UAVfutures
4 жыл бұрын
good luck with what ever you are going through.
panic mode "on"
That DJI antenna config is terrible, would have gotten much better range if they were more vertical.
Next time pee on the fence to see if it's hot.
So R9 ftw
I call that a DJDFA . DJI digital fail. LOL
I love yoy
how many mw? 25? This matters.
"That's not a Thorn"
There has to be a better way to launch a wing...
Yoooooo
3 klm is long range? are you kidding? back in 2015 we had people here who were flying up to 34 klm away fpv with cheap chinese things..if 3 klm is long range then 30+ klm what is it? lol
99v3
Classic shit Caipi 2 takeoff. What on earth is wrong with his 2.4 feed?
30 sec ;)
@UAVfutures
4 жыл бұрын
first
7th
oof!
🙈🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Soooo LOL.....u dont know, what u do and then wondering, that u failed....
You better get some knowledge... helicals are directional and yours are pointing somewhere 🤦🏻♂️
So I flew drones in the military. Analog and digital both have strong points but one thing with analog vs digital is signal. Analog does not rely on the whole signal like digital does. The drone I flew was analog and we rarely if any lost signal where as the newer digital drones lost signal all the time! Digital relys on the whole signal.
@protonus
4 жыл бұрын
He lost signal because the DJI system can't be so closely located to an analog VTX that's transmitting on 5.8 GHz. This was a bad idea from the start. On top of that he's using the stock antennas which were intentionally bad so DJI could pass RF certification for the measured transmit power of the goggles. The very first thing anyone should do with this system is upgrade the goggle antennas as such, good omni's will add 50% more range and bandwidth, and good patch antennas will double range and bandwidth. Lastly, there is a 1,200 mW mode now if you look for "naco_pwr.txt" which is what you really ought to be using if you're sending to max range. With patch antennas and 1,200 mW you can easily do 7+ km on this system.
2nd
@UAVfutures
4 жыл бұрын
bro this was so fun.
Please give me drone even if it is low price one please plzzzzzzzzzzzzz 😅😭😭
noobs
Expected a litlle more than “I accidentally turned off the DVR”. Give your content some more effort man! If you make a video comparing two systems and you accidentally don’t do that it’s misleading and should be redone! That’s the minimum expectation🙏🏻