There was a lot of mitigation but my goodness that tackle looked sore. Hopefully the lad is ok.

A lot of people don’t seem to understand mitigation. The Scarlets player almost has his knees on the ground. It looks rly bad but by law it’s a yellow. Gd decision from the ref

Everyone crying it should have been a red card are ruling on the outcome not the actual actions taken by the player. Gilroy commited to the tackle at a safe level, knees bent and dipping in, and then Rogers fell into it. He was down on one knee when contact was made, how could any player avoid that? Direct contact with the head so it's a card, was there mitigating factors? Yes, the player clearly dropped his level so it's a yellow. Yeah it looks bad and I hope Tom Rogers is alright but there was no malicious intent on Gilroys side.

@peterjones2834

2 жыл бұрын

No intent shoulder smash into the face. You expect that sort of tackle from Owen Farrell. He was getting his body ready so he could off load the pass. Intent or not shoulder to the head is a red card. Seems the Irish aim for the heads a lot when playing rugby.

@Mr___X

2 жыл бұрын

This is the written from the soul of a middle manager. You have zero feeling for the game.

@JohnSmith-wo2fz

2 жыл бұрын

@@peterjones2834 Fuck off Peter, no one asked you.

@Nieljoyceniel

2 жыл бұрын

@@peterjones2834 stop crying because you couldn’t play with a one man advantage for once . Wales have gotten away with tons reds last year which allowed them to win the six nations

@karlosdeevs

2 жыл бұрын

@@peterjones2834 agreed, wish Farrell be accounted for the same as Tomas Lavanini. But literally ANY player could find himself in that spot regardless from whichever country..

0:50 good to see welsh and ulster flag flying proudly behind posts

@AllyBushell

2 жыл бұрын

That's the unofficial northern Irish flag, the ulster flag is yellow with a red cross

Hate seeing red cards ruining games but that looked nailed on red for Gilroy?

@finnduffy777

2 жыл бұрын

I am between the idea if it should be a red or yellow. It looks horrific but the player dipped a tonne, and refereeing decisions are based on the action and not the outcome. Clumsy tackle that looks awful. I’m probably leaning towards red but it would be fairly hard to justify by the rule book of you really had to judge it.

Can you not show the score on the thumbnail please?

clearest RED in rugby history? genuine question.

Red and yellow confusion happens all too regularly. TMOs confused?

Nathan doak needs to spend a few seasons playing ulster A, actually a joke that he's straight into the team.

I've seen red cards given for less!

@saffaadventures365

2 жыл бұрын

The prop in the England game vs springboks hit Etzebeth in the head like that too, and no card was given since Etzebeth was falling though.

@leonardodavinci7425

2 жыл бұрын

@Jay M Are you OK? Hangover from last night or something? LOL

@leonardodavinci7425

2 жыл бұрын

@@saffaadventures365 Bundi Aki's red card against Billy V in the six nations was much less dangerous and bad than the Gilroy one last night

@maxmcclintock2365

2 жыл бұрын

@@leonardodavinci7425 you can't see it in those highlights but the Scarlets players right knee was fully on the floor after a sudden drop so I'd agree with the yellow card. But some refs would definitely give that red tbf

@thelonelystaples6002

2 жыл бұрын

That was ridiculous hit.

Must be a red, far too dangerous

@Karma-qt4ji

2 жыл бұрын

That's outcome related, not action. The action was a tackle that started off at a perfectly acceptable height and stance and a tacklee falling to such an extent that the impact ended up being with his head. That is still a card but mitigated down to yellow. A couple of years ago, that would not even have been a card because it would have been deemed "accidental". Correct call in my (neutral) opinion.

@karlosdeevs

2 жыл бұрын

@@Karma-qt4ji yh as of the last 2 yrs there's hardly any room to mitigate even if there was no intention to cause harm. Now it's as if people use these incidents to brandmark players who were spotless before, but happened to clear out near the opponents head & take all the flack. It's almost unavoidable as basically any player finds himself in that spot.

@Mr___X

2 жыл бұрын

@@Karma-qt4ji Ah yes, 'outcome related'. Rugbyu is definitely not an 'outcome related' sport. You've been trained to think like corporate droids. What are you talking about?! Drop the newspeak. This would be an argument for a red card 15 years ago, let alone at a time when you can get a red for grazing someone's head.

@Mr___X

2 жыл бұрын

@Jay M That's not true

@Karma-qt4ji

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mr___X "Rugbyu is definitely not an 'outcome related' sport." Yes, that's what I said. You think they hand out red cards like Smarties these days? Autumn internationals prove you wrong; Aussie hits Scot in the head by diving onto him while prone on the ground, we see a yellow card and a try disallowed; Welshman hits Aussie in the head by diving onto him while prone on the ground, we see a yellow card; Englishman hits South African with a swinging arm to the head (very similar to this tackle, by the way) leaving the SA player sidelined for 3 months with concussion issues, we see a penalty only. So much as none of us want to see players injured or sidelined with head injuries, it is still a contact sport and accidents do happen. As long as they are objectively and consistently assessed as accident, we should accept it and move on. Unless you want EVERY graze to someone's head to be red carded.

Rogers doesn't drop his height. He doesn't contribute. The tackle lowers his height. That was a red card. Hopefully Scarlets will appeal

@robmca9265

2 жыл бұрын

Absolute nonsense as Rogers was being tackled so going down and Gilroy was in the process of tackling milliseconds later so no way a red card. Real time and slow motion both show this. I wouldn't like you to be a referee or, worse still, on a jury as your analysis is extremely flawed, but prejudiced, when you cannot see Rogers going down

@galinor7

2 жыл бұрын

@@robmca9265 as you say he was tackled. He didn't contribute. There was no arm wrap around, there was no tackle. It was a shoulder smash. If we allow this reckless behaviour, Scarlets can just say, when you play an Irish provence and you can't pull out of a tackle, just lead with the shoulder and take him out. The tackler made no attempt to lessen the impact.

@Mr___X

2 жыл бұрын

If that's not a red card we may not bother turning up and decide the winner on who pays the most. Oh wait that's what this league basically is, my mistake.

@michaelodonnell824

2 жыл бұрын

Scarlets ARE NOT ALLOWED TO APPEAL. The ONLY Hope is that the Citing Committee take action - though, unfortunately that will be of NO HELP to Scarlets. Further, even if the Citing Committee takes action, the Referee, the Person who SHOULD have taken action on the night, will suffer NO CONSEQUENCES. Further, as NIgel Owens has proven again and again and again, the Referee will not even feel any obligation to apologise to either Scarlets or to the Violently attacked Scarlets player.

No attempt at a wrap - clear red and long ban

@John-ny7jn

2 жыл бұрын

‘No attempt at a wrap’ - did u even see the tackle?

@andrewbarton-willson495

2 жыл бұрын

@@John-ny7jn yes I watched it through repeatedly and, following your comment, went back and looked again. No 14 (Craig Gilroy) makes direct contact with the head/neck area, leading with his shoulder and with both arms close to his side and not raised to prepare to tackle his opponent. This can be a matter of timing, especially when the injured party was losing height following an attempted tackle by Gilroy’s teammate, but such is the nature of the contact this did not look like an error of timing.

@John-ny7jn

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewbarton-willson495 at no point did I deny that Gilroy’s shoulder made contact with the head. Your point was that he made no attempt to wrap. At 1:07 u can clearly see his left arm wrapping and the same is for the right arm later on. You can even see Gilroy’s back bent down showing he’s lowering himself to make the tackle. It’s a nasty incident and looks very bad but the punishment was correct

@andrewbarton-willson495

2 жыл бұрын

@@John-ny7jn thank you - I understand your point and the referee agreed with you but I don’t see anything like a wrap starting until after the shoulder has impacted dangerously. The protocol does indicate yellow with the mitigation but I believe this needs to be altered where a player leads with the shoulder

Hopefully the Citing Committee give Gilroy a VERY LONG TIME OFF to consider his proclivity for Violence!!

@robmca9265

2 жыл бұрын

Absolute nonsense as the player is being tackled so going down and at the pace of the game there was no way for Gilroy to avoid what was a nasty hit but nothing else.

Absolute red card.

@leonardodavinci7425

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@robmca9265

2 жыл бұрын

You're well named.

the welsh with the conspiracy theories! Maybe if they woke up and realised they are just playing shite, they might actually improve LOL

No arm tackle?

So a forward pass leading to a try for someone who should've been red carded 🤔 This is exactly why this league is seen as a joke

@robmca9265

2 жыл бұрын

Have you been to Specsavers recently? If not, time you attended.

@samtyrrell4488

2 жыл бұрын

@@robmca9265 stevie wonder could tell that was forward, and arguably the most obvious red card ever 🤷‍♂️ You must be related to the TMO

@Mr___X

2 жыл бұрын

agreed. dead league.

@robmca9265

2 жыл бұрын

Same ref as internationals so you're typing nonsense

@samtyrrell4488

2 жыл бұрын

@@robmca9265 think you're the only one spouting nonsense here mate, have fun in your delusion butty

Disgraceful to give that a yellow card. Sends a terrible message to fans and youngsters wanting to play the game.

@Mr___X

2 жыл бұрын

@Jay M We see what happens when Ireland don't have home advantage and the opportunity to rotate players for freshness every time a world cup comes around. And you think it's the Welsh who need preferential treatment to achieve success? HAHAHAHA!

@toffieandsooty

2 жыл бұрын

@Jay M You are completely right, kind regards

Terribly forward pass, expected it to be ignored seen as it's Peyper

If bundee did that it would be a straight red

Stonewall red card in the zombie competition. Ireland at home? Make it a yellow, lads. Jaco's Xmas bonus must have been lovely.

@cartrice8793

2 жыл бұрын

mitigating circumstances are clear sir

@cartrice8793

2 жыл бұрын

although it was very very tight

@Mr___X

2 жыл бұрын

@@cartrice8793 hahaha. clear, or very tight? near, or far away?

@cartrice8793

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mr___X hahaha yeah i realised too late that’s what i said

@cartrice8793

2 жыл бұрын

watching it back now i do agree with you

With a doubt it is a 100% red the referee should stand down and retire! Should be a huge ban! Elliot Dee had a red yesterday and it was nothing!! That forward pass too for the second try your having a laugh! Joke officials!

@Frederickthewise18

2 жыл бұрын

@Jay M almost beheaded him, pathetic

@lukehowell6971

2 жыл бұрын

@Jay M did u not see the way his head snapped back? He's lucky not to come away with very serious neck or head injury after that

@Mr___X

2 жыл бұрын

@Jay M Wrong. Go back to Squidge.

How is Jaco a ref. He will be a ref at the six nations how. Simple truth if Rogers had done that too Gilroy it would have been a red card. The ref was he wearing a Ulster top. Every time the Scarlets play Ulster they lose two or 3 players to injury before half time. That's a red card that ref should be banned. Even the Irish commentray said he was lucky.

@barryduff7533

2 жыл бұрын

Ah yes because it's all just a big conspiracy against the Welsh, that must be the reason all the Welsh regions are struggling for form. All the refs are paid off.

@peterjones2834

2 жыл бұрын

@@barryduff7533 Did you see what Gilroy did to Rogers. That a red card. He gave the Scarlets nothing. The ref picked for the six nations far too many off them are terrible.

@Mr___X

2 жыл бұрын

@@barryduff7533 You must be a coincident theorist. Like, it's a coincident that the competition is run in the tax haven Irish republic. Dublin the home of world rugby. Home of the professional referees. Irish company has the UK broadcast rights. Yep. All just a coincidence.

@barryduff7533

2 жыл бұрын

@@peterjones2834 I saw Rogers fall into Gilroy's tackle that he initiated at a safe height before Rogers lowered his height. That's called mitigation and now I'm hearing a bunch of people complaining because they're judging a the very nasty looking outcome and not the actions of the players.

@Dreyno

2 жыл бұрын

Wales used up a year’s supply of red cards during the Six Nations last year.