Prople forget, Goku wants Gohan to be the one that Surpasses him in the End

@TechStarr

2 ай бұрын

this

@DavidKinner

2 ай бұрын

If Gohan seriously trains from now on, there is no reason at all why he wouldn't, and stay ahead. Whether people like it or not.

@mark7243669

2 ай бұрын

​@DavidKinner that is true but because gohan is half human he will most likely go back to being a loving father and taking care of his family and going to work and whst not. Of course when there is a threat he will do some quick training and do his best to deal with the problem.

@KorrinBeck

2 ай бұрын

Used to be. But then they realized that was dumb.

@DavidKinner

2 ай бұрын

@@mark7243669 He should be going in the hyperbolic Time chamber for a few hours here and there again so he can squeeze some training in between his schedule doing that. Something that makes him find more balance to the things he wants at the same time.

Gohan had more raw power but Goku was more skilled

@morsayxd

2 ай бұрын

Exactly

@SaiyanJoestar

2 ай бұрын

🎯

@malikthomas8452

2 ай бұрын

I wouldn’t say that really ultra instinct has crazy power and if he was fighting like he did against moro it would have been different

@koltensmith3974

2 ай бұрын

​@@malikthomas8452not so sure.

@malikthomas8452

2 ай бұрын

@@koltensmith3974 it’s hard to tell when goku is holding back and ui gets stronger as he adapts and his body hardens

"I'm going to surpass you dad!" *"B R I N G I T O N! G O H A N !'*

@ProjectIceman

10 күн бұрын

I understood the reference LOL

@Denjimanthing

10 күн бұрын

That one game where goku accidentally let his inner demons out and sounded like a error sans voice changer

@imthethundergod69

10 күн бұрын

bro any one with mastered ultra instinct should have that voice like image whis doing that shit and scarring the shit out of beerus

@gzandre08yt

8 күн бұрын

When it happened to me i was genuenly scared

Goku’s plan the whole time was for Gohan to be Earth’s protector. Goku likes the thrill of battle, he would rather jump galaxies looking for strong opponents but don’t want to leave his family unprotected.

@deckzone3000

10 күн бұрын

When was that ever Goku's plan?

@cipherP9

10 күн бұрын

@@deckzone3000 When he decided Gohan would defeat Cell which made him realize his potential.

@deckzone3000

9 күн бұрын

@@cipherP9 Goku knew Gohan was the only one that could beat Cell. That's all that was. He even promised Chi-Chi that Gohan wouldn't ever have to train/fight again.(which was the case for 7 years after Cell)

@cipherP9

9 күн бұрын

@@deckzone3000 Gohan was the only one stronger than Cell but Goku equaled his strength. Goku could have won that fight but turned it over to Gohan to bring out his true nature. As for the 7 years, Gohan is obviously trying to please both his parents, be a warrior for his dad and scholar for his mother, no fights he’s in the books but he was there for all the battles, the androids, Cell, Buu, both Frieza returns, TOP.

@MakeItGreasy

4 күн бұрын

@@deckzone3000actually, the story was supposed to end off with Goku traveling to the afterlife and Gohan taking over. Since people didn’t like that ending, toriyama continued it. I think even to this day that Goku still planned to have Gohan surpass him. He might or might’ve not planned that but that was toriyama’s plan.

It’s just insane how Toriyama gave us the chapter with all the Saiyans fighting to send him off 🙌 🕊️

@shadowrodent1509

Ай бұрын

Honestly. Now that’s a way to go out.

@natemaste_5294

Ай бұрын

Pin this comment

@Zoruk_

Ай бұрын

If he made a Gogeta vs Brohan for that last chapter it would've been crazy

@bobdylan1968

Ай бұрын

He did NOT write this crap. Never did.

@djp8795

Ай бұрын

Facts !

Love how Gohan's best form is just him as an adult height teen Gohan.

@daillest-er7ef

2 ай бұрын

😅😅🤦🏾‍♂️

@JasonAizatoZemeckis

2 ай бұрын

He got compressed

@kookou13

2 ай бұрын

I mean that was his peak look in all honestly

@starlightpirate3068

Ай бұрын

had to bring him back to his prime

@xp3rtpr3d86

Ай бұрын

Literal Super saiyan 2 reboot😭

Goku definitely did hold back REAL db fans knows how goku fights and I'm gohan fan

Gohan's raw power = Goku's pure skill

@kaiteido9963

4 күн бұрын

Now imagine if he really trained☠️

@MarinM87

3 күн бұрын

@@kaiteido9963 That's the point about him being a teacher and just live his life normally.

@kaiteido9963

3 күн бұрын

@@MarinM87 exactly

@kaiteido9963

3 күн бұрын

@@MarinM87 but imagine if he kept up with his training though too

@MarinM87

3 күн бұрын

@@kaiteido9963 Prob would be similar situation as when both trained just one year in the Time Chamber. A lot of people talk about just raw power don't remember Gohan is quite smart, that's a big advantage too when training.

Goku WANTS Gohan to be the one to take over once he’s done. People forget this.

@Crustylips598

2 ай бұрын

People don't forget, its the writers that make us not care because Gohan is written so poorly that we just couldn't care less about how powerful Gohan is since he's written so badly now

@StevenJones851

2 ай бұрын

Gohan will be the next

@curse5697

2 ай бұрын

@@Crustylips598not the point

@frostlastsforever

2 ай бұрын

@@Crustylips598Silence, you bum

@the_cancellor

2 ай бұрын

@@Crustylips598No he's not, goku is way worse written, just admit you don't want to let go of goku meatriding😂

he just wants to witness his son’s strengths and weaknesses and help him improve like any good father would

@LimitedEye

2 ай бұрын

Yeah the thing is goku is a horrible father lol he doesn’t want to help anyone improve that’s not this character he just wants to fight tough opponents

@buckabuckler4413

2 ай бұрын

@@LimitedEyethat’s factually wrong. Goku has trained many people with the intent to have them improve. DBS goku just makes him look more like a power hungry idiot.

@adrianblake-williams5294

2 ай бұрын

@@LimitedEyeMy friend I think you’re feeding into the Goku is a bad father trope and you’ve possibly forgotten the few times Goku has put his life on the line for Gohan.

@DS123-gb8tf

2 ай бұрын

@@adrianblake-williams5294yea Goku put his life on the line for gohan a lot, but goten that’s another story lmaoo😂

@SlimDAssassin

2 ай бұрын

Goku is anything but a good father... But I hear you.

It’s still impressive when you consider how little Gohan trains. Dude has mad potential

@TheProblemChannel

5 күн бұрын

Wait A min. What are you doing here MK man😅😅😅 or should I say fighting game man. I love your vids

@6tonythetitan6

4 күн бұрын

Right?! If Gohan trained as much as Goku, he’d be the strongest.

Even tho it might take 3 decades I still can’t wait for this to be animated

this was a father and son bonding moment, a dad wanting to see how strong his son has gotten

@itsmyway779

29 күн бұрын

Not that only it's beast Form every Sayan curious combat against beast Form. Sayan nature is they're warrier race so fight is there nature. Gohan is not interested fight still some time he also proved this crazy nature.

@tobyjo4204

10 күн бұрын

Yup, he was gauging his power. I love Gohan but I don’t think he’d win in a fight to the death I feel goku would win out of desperation like he tends to. Gohan would only push himself hard enough if like pan or video died

@Mr._Anonymous342

9 күн бұрын

Speaking of goten 😭

They reached a point of mutual respect for one another's power

@Pokemonfan1805

2 ай бұрын

Goku could still go tui

@ZarkionUltimate

2 ай бұрын

@@Pokemonfan1805 even if he could he wouldn't have as it wasn't his goal to win

@Pokemonfan1805

2 ай бұрын

@@ZarkionUltimate yes

@theamericancommie727

2 ай бұрын

​@@ZarkionUltimateTUI isn't even stronger than MUI. It's just that it's more sustainable and gokus mind during the Gas fight wasn't clear and his heartwasnt calm, he states that so he needed to take a step back. When his heart is actually calm his accuracy is much better as told to us by Whis UI has accuracies

@Muse-is6dt

2 ай бұрын

​@@theamericancommie727But tui is more powerful than mui, Atleast that's what i heard but the downside is it's a bit slower

It was just a father son moment ❤

These guys are the strongest at the most desperate situations, or when they are the angriest. They NEVER showed their full power, not even against enemies until it was absolutely necessary. And definitely not in a sparring. So it was always obvious to me, that neither of them were really all out here.

goku wasnt fighting to see who would win he just wanted to see gohans new power in action to see if he could leave the earth in his hands

@reemosama1

2 ай бұрын

He will be it's going to happen when goku becomes a angel

@sebgor2319

Ай бұрын

​@@reemosama1Goku does not want to be bound by Angel law, he wouldn't even be able to fight if he became an Angel.

@ExodiaShadowHeart

Ай бұрын

The fight wouldve went different if goku was fighting for life if that was the case goku would win for sure but as a sparing match to gauge powers thats it

@sebgor2319

Ай бұрын

@@ExodiaShadowHeart Of course, Goku is more skilled than Gohan, he obviously wins with Gohan beast.

@ExodiaShadowHeart

Ай бұрын

@@sebgor2319 I still don't think gohan would win to be honest, gohan doesn't have the edge over goku even with beast mode because goku is not only stronger but he has a higher skill set and also tonnes more experience, I believe gohan has more potential to become stronger than goku but until goku is fully dead and gone like at the end of gt gohan wouldnt be able to surpass him especially now that frieza has that black form goku will have to achieve greater power to now defeat him

A draw was the best conclusion for the fight cuz if goku won, gohan fans would be angry and if gohan won, goku fans would be furious and I’m happy it was a draw

@Danny___Riot

2 ай бұрын

That’s exactly what I’m saying! From a writer standpoint they weren’t going to outright give the dub to either camp!

@rewriteanime

2 ай бұрын

No...Gohan won

@Danny___Riot

2 ай бұрын

@@rewriteanime neither of them won. Toei/Bandai won. So we’ll keep talking about it. I mean that’s really the end result if you think about it.

@rewriteanime

2 ай бұрын

@Danny___Riot thats true, neither of them won...only because Goku threw in the towel because the Raging Beast was all up in da a** lol After Goku tried to sick Broly on Gohan and Broly got wrecked too 😆

@briansilva3344

2 ай бұрын

This is probably the best way to handle it, but Goku still edges out Gohan. And it goes back to the Cell Saga. In Goku’s words slightly paraphrased, what’s the use of strength if you can’t hit your opponent?

It’s a sparring match so both Goku and Gohan didn’t go all out but it can be clearly seen that Gohan put way more effort into the fight while Goku constantly raised his power level for Gohan to surpass him

"Get up." "Ngh I'm getting cooked."

People forget that Goku doesnt go full power unless he has to, he matches power with his opponent to figure out how they fight, and then increases the power and uses his new knowledge to defeat them

@ZionLuvid

Ай бұрын

Goku is clearly weaker than gohan here its just his skill isnt

@baronbarton9479

Ай бұрын

They literally said they were going to use their best stuff. He wasn't holding back

@f.x.c.k

Ай бұрын

@@baronbarton9479 Best stuff is ui?

@JussDraftfr

Ай бұрын

@@baronbarton9479 as in best form. goku never went 100 on a fight or training, like whis said going all out is a fight, not training. goku was obv seeing his new form, why would he go out and he look hardly hurt

@ZionLuvid

Ай бұрын

@@JussDraftfr this is just to downplay gohan lmao gohan clearly has way more raw speed and power lmao even with that excuse gohan form if not controled maked him cocky so and go out of control, his form is far newer than ui and is superior in strenght and speed

I think a big thing about how the fight played out was the visual storytelling: Goku being visibly more calm and stoic in his expression mid-spar while Gohan's face was an angry scowl. Which imo pushes people more to side of Goku not trying as hard while Gohan was, even though that is moreso based off the nature of their transformations, with Goku needing pure serenity of mind and body to allow his body to move without thinking like an angel while Gohan's is literally based on bestial fury and emotion - naturally Gohan will be more expressive in a fight and Goku vice-versa. It's also a point there that Beast mode is a very new transformation for Gohan especially compared to Goku's mastered UI. So Gohan being more winded near the end is a result of that and also an added tie-in for Goku to Gohan's connection to Broly as a perfect sparring partner, since that was Broly's entire reason for training - to master his own new Super Saiyan transformation and acclimate to it to bring out the potential of the form without the drawbacks. The fact that Gohan has already reached the level of a MUI Goku with this new form (and obviously not going all-out either; dude isn't death matching his father, let's be real) is wild and, like Broly, speaks to the well of potential still inside. *Though I think there is still the possibility of this Beast mode being Gohan's pseudo-equivalent of SSB in theory, with it being his hybrid Super Saiyan rage mixing with Kaioshin magic from the Elder Kai that unlocked his ultimate form to bring out a new grand power. Which would also complete the parallel between the four primary Saiyans in the story to the different cosmic being aspects - Goku's angelic Ultra Instinct, Vegeta's hakaishin Ultra Ego, Gohan's kaioshin Beast mode, and Broly's pure mortal freakish potential that is legend in and of itself.

@shane_remastered8232

Ай бұрын

Good thing that's a theory

@blakpulp1366

Ай бұрын

My theory is that Gohan and Broly are both a particular type of Sayian. Both, when emotionally out of control, make massive gains in power. Gohan is just a civilized Broly. Like he said in the fight. "I pushed myself until I felt like I would snap. Then I reigned it in and took control of the power." Was he about to go bezerker Sayian?

@b__w_4565

18 күн бұрын

@@blakpulp1366huh maybe it’s a weird little hybrid saiyan thing?

@blakpulp1366

18 күн бұрын

@b__w_4565 thought about that but Broly isn't a hybrid...is he 🤔 What's his momma name? Lol

@kingzingo1784

17 күн бұрын

I really like this comment. And yeah, in all honesty Goku wasn't taking the fight seriously so there's 0 reason to believe he was weaker imo. Still Gohan, as usual, has a lot of potential to surpass Goku. Really makes me wonder how much longer they can keep up the story of Dragon Ball with such strong characters

That’s a dad letting his sons know what it feels like to win😂😂😂” I knew you had it you boy!” 😂

Every father wants their child to surpass them. But every father knows their child’s limits as well. Goku knew that “alright this is the most Gohan can do for now, it’s a lot but still” because Goku had a whole lot extra left in the tank and knew he would eventually overtake his son which doing that isn’t his goal in sparring with his son.

I got to say that he went near to full power because gohan stated that he went just enough to the point where he would not snap. That shows that he could even go to step further, if he were to snap and go rage mode like he did with cell

@realizedpotential6640

2 ай бұрын

Exactly, people don't talk about this enough. He definitely has and still had more raw power to spare compared to goku

@nickisnotgnarly

2 ай бұрын

@@realizedpotential6640yup that’s what got me excited not just for Gohan but for Broly because that’s obviously what Broly did as well. How deep does the power go when they snap

@blakpulp1366

Ай бұрын

Well in Z season one Gohan went from a power level of five to 1,307. In an instant. In fact when he snaps her usually becomes at least as strong as the person he's fighting or very close. Don't forget he was throwing hands with Vegeta at 5yrs old.

I would say Gohan is more or less equal to Goku, but as Gohan stated, he's still learning to fulling control Beast without losing himself to the power. We saw it in the movie how for a brief moment, his arrogance was about to take him over with that trademark smirk as when Gohan's power reaches a certain point, his Saiyan instincts fully take over. As Vegeta also pointed out, Goku just has more experience in his UI than Gohan does with Beast but even with that small amount of control, he's able to toy with Broly, keep Vegeta at bay and bypass Goku's UI. Once Gohan fully masters his Beast Form at its critical limit, he'll more than likely be stronger than Vegeta and Goku, but roughly on part with LSSj Broly. So yes, Goku held back in the sense that he wasn't looking to win. He wasn't trying to defeat Gohan but test his limits. Once he saw what Gohan could do and that Gohan was getting stronger than him, along with Broly's curiosity, he stopped. If the fight kept going, I say it would be a coin toss on who would win. Goku's endurance could tap out but the strain Gohan was still getting accustomed to could also net him a loss. Either way, i'm satisfied because now I have a good idea where Gohan sits in terms of his scaling. He's roughly equal, maybe a little stronger, but just requires more experience and control.

@tylerbush7047

2 ай бұрын

I always felt Gohans arrogance when he got a new power up came from the human side

@Netherwolf6100

2 ай бұрын

@@tylerbush7047 Nah there's always a pattern to this when you watch Dragonball. When Goku first awakened to Super Saiyan, despite being enraged, he became really cruel and sadistic, straight up resorting to insults and even going as far as to let Frieza live, not because Goku forgave him, but because he thought it would be a more insulting victory letting Frieza live with his failure and fear of the Saiyans. When Vegeta first awakens, the tosses out his crafted, intellectual methodology he showed on Namek, fighting carefully and using carefully planned tactics. Instead he barreled into every battle he came across, thinking he was invincible as a Super Saiyan. This arrogance was made even worse when he reached 1st Grade, causing him to toy with Cell when he could have won in the first couple of minutes and assuming he was so utterly powerful, that even if Cell reached his Perfect Form, he would still be stronger. We see it again with Gohan twice. 1st time was with Perfect Cell when he hit Super Saiyan 2. He became so sadistic, vengeful and vindictive that he toyed with Cell, all the way up until Goku's death. Then we see it again against Super Buu where he could have killed Buu at any time, but spent the entire time messing around and picking him apart, all because he believed himself to be superior with a hint of him wanting revenge for Chi-Chi and Videl's deaths. Whenever a Saiyan who hasn't done proper mental training reaches a new level of power, their level of pride and arrogance takes over. They start thinking themselves so superior that nothing can hurt them, and would rather give into the pleasure of causing pain instead of winning right away. This is something I loved about original Z Broly as, once his LSSj form was unlocked, bro showed the same level of sadistic cruelty as any other Saiyan, pumped up to 11. This is also shown with Vegeta's Ultra Ego form as, the longer the battle goes on, the more savage he becomes. Saiyans love to fight and the extreme high of battle and power causes them to toss reason and common sense out the window.

@ChouRaiyuki

2 ай бұрын

@@Netherwolf6100 I think this is only partly true. It is true that untrained SSJ1 and SSJ2 tend to bring out the battle lusting sadistic side to Saiyans. But also in Goku's case with Frieza and Gohan's case with Cell there was a very personal aspect in reaching that transformation. IIRC Kid Goku was similarly vindictive with King Piccolo but was also on the losing side unlike the former two. With Vegeta the first fight he uses SSJ in which was vs 19 he actually is still fighting strategically which is directly described by Piccolo; he beats 19 into a corner, deliberately gets grabbed to confirm the absorption ability, finishes the fight once he has, and then powers down into a successful bluff. All of that is as calculated as one would expect of him him prior and it's most likely that fight that boosts his ego going into 18. There's a case to be made that even without transformations Saiyans also make these same irrational decisions. Goku arguably could have simply used the Kaio Ken immediately vs Nappa but still fought out the fight without it despite the virtually instant win it gave him later. And in Gohan's case Ultimate wasn't even a Saiyan transformation (granted I think it working as it does is just weird but that's a different topic). So I'd argue there's more of an intersection of things that happens rather than just a raw pattern.

@kevenfinley2809

2 ай бұрын

Didn’t Piccolo say gohan mastered his beast form?

@Netherwolf6100

2 ай бұрын

@@kevenfinley2809 Not entirely sure since translations are different depending on the source. I know Gohan said he currently hasn't mastered it fully since he tells Goku that "This is all I can do, for now." implying there's more to the power he hasn't tapped into just yet, without going Berserk.

Man gohan just getting fed power at this point. Ain’t train for nun since cell saga and they keep using the hidden potential thing like bro got unlimited potential

It’s super important to know, as an MMA fighter, sparring there shouldn’t be any winners or losers. The goal isn’t to just beat the shit out of your partner it’s to try new things and to grow as fighters.

At the end of the day, Goku knows that Gohan has more room for an increase in power. Plus, it’s well known that hybrid Saiyans have more potential than pure Saiyans

@modifiedjaymill

2 ай бұрын

That been died down, just like the whole zenKai boost thing. Or else you would have trunks and goten just as strong and talented and they aren’t. A long time ago they said that the only reason goten and (current)trunks got ssj easy is becuase goku and vegeta had already been ssj before their birth, some how unlocking it for them. But that’s just bad writing becuase trunks was born before vegeta went ssj. Realistically db has evolved past that whole hybrids and gohan the strongest thing a long time ago.

@blesseddlife

2 ай бұрын

@@modifiedjaymillno, it didn’t. Goten and Trunks is just being forgotten, the potential is still there

@Therealbeastgohan

2 ай бұрын

​@blesseddlife future trunks doesn't t even have this potential so it is just a gohan thing

@beegpappa7900

2 ай бұрын

@@Therealbeastgohan Super saiyan rage?

@beegpappa7900

2 ай бұрын

@@modifiedjaymill Vegeta was a super saiyan when he concieved trunks in both timelines. Everything was off screen

I love how people are using a sparing match to ultimately decide who is stronger. Crazy.

@flavienmaillard3910

2 ай бұрын

Goku : *breathes* The "fans" : OMG HIS BREATH IS MULTIVERSE LEVEL

@dexterbacksmen2930

Ай бұрын

@@flavienmaillard3910you’re the only person that’s ever said these words

@flavienmaillard3910

Ай бұрын

@@dexterbacksmen2930 it's called an exaggeration 🤦 Don't take everything litteraly dude

@crowing3886

10 күн бұрын

No, they're saying if you're getting knocked out of your strongest form...with only a Edge of power by Gohan holding back an not going full snap mode it's clear Gohan is stronger.

@MilkysRevenge

10 күн бұрын

​@@crowing3886maybe powerwise but skillwise?

Whether he held back or not, Goku wants Gohan to be stronger 💪 He's a good father

Goku’s real talent has always been his adaptability which led to him attaining UI, more so than ‘latent power’ like Broly and Gohan. So unless his opponent’s level is above his by a significant margin, in a serious drawn out fight he most likely wins.

Another thing to point out, Goku was caught off guard by Gohan's speed. And also by the end Gohan was visibly panting and had used quite a bit of energy, whereas Goku walked away without breaking a sweat. Goku at full power is still ahead, by how much? No one knows, because this man is always fucking holding back. Edit: damn I've started a war

@StevenJones851

2 ай бұрын

It was a Draw both weren't in a Death Match there pretty relative to eachother

@Slyrock-1000

2 ай бұрын

He was not caught off Guard he was just outsped

@Hardracist

2 ай бұрын

​@@Slyrock-1000 so he was caught off guard by gohan sudden burst in speed way to get what caught off guard means

@gergernzero6904

2 ай бұрын

​@@Hardracist Caught of guard ment if he was ready then it would not play out that way. That not what happened, it not something that can be done to tui as the person doesn't need to be aware.

@Dales-Edit

2 ай бұрын

People with Ultra Instinct can't be off guard the technique is to let your body move on it's own by instinct alone even if that person is blind of what ever this technique would make your body dodge as long as they are in that state the only way to hit someone with UI is that they are fast enough to by past it which Gohan manage to do

I don't think goku would call off a match, sparring or not, if he knew he was going to lose. That's not who he is, I think it was more like the two times he sparred with trunks where it was more of just testing the others strength

@shmeebs387

2 ай бұрын

Sure it is. Goku doesn't mind losing. It's not about winning and losing to Goku. That was the whole point of Roshi beating him in his first world tournament. That's what makes him different from Vegeta.

@gsmith8403

2 ай бұрын

So we gone just slide past the Cell games like they didn't happen...noted lol!

@alienfiregod

2 ай бұрын

@gsmith8403 That's the only time he ever did it though and he had an actual reason for it. He would have no reason to quit this fight just because he knows he'd lose

@alienfiregod

2 ай бұрын

@@shmeebs387 I never said he minded losing, I just said he's not the type of person to stop a fight because he knows he'd lose

@madatcolorless7050

Ай бұрын

⁠@@gsmith8403He didn't just quit against cell because he didn't think he could win. Goku (Ironically just like this sparring match) never planned on beating cell in the first place . His entire plan was to fight Cell first to give Gohan a chance to observe cells techniques amd measure his power and then pass the torch to Gohan who would then beat him and become earths protector.

A loss is a loss. Whether he called it or forfeit. He didn't give his all and called it.

Goku is a very experienced fighter. He took out a whole army as a child, unlike his son. This was a test to see if he could pass the torch when the time comes.

Goku wanted Gohan to fight against Broly, so Broly could learn how to harness his own latent ability that’s it

If they were both fighting to kill or win. Goku would absolutely win

@Julian_Heru

2 ай бұрын

Nope, Gohan speed outmatched Goku ultra instinct

@daneshansigamoney6215

2 ай бұрын

​@@Julian_HeruAnd then?

@legendhomies47

2 ай бұрын

​@@Julian_Herubro cant even read🤡Gohan stated he cant use the full charged power for long and it didnt even do much to Goku who got right back up.

@jetragnarok2075

2 ай бұрын

@@Julian_Heru But goku has domain over his form and more experience

@James-xy7ot

2 ай бұрын

Goku would definitely

Goku is like the babyface of wrestling you dont hurt the cash cow ever😅😅😅

Goku held back like crazy

Potara fusion would go crazy, give us what was teased in the buu arc

@aquavortex2681

15 күн бұрын

Cook

@ft3ch100

6 күн бұрын

Gokhan would've happened if gohan stupid ass did catch it

We all know what Goku would go through for a W so I'd say he was holding back

@StevenJones851

2 ай бұрын

So he held back against Black Frieza for no Reason??? ok....

@xdpozu

2 ай бұрын

@@StevenJones851 ?? frieza speed blitzed both of them

@monsesh1316

2 ай бұрын

@@xdpozu Nah, if Goku wanted to he'd win. He held back definitely because i said so.

@xdpozu

2 ай бұрын

@@monsesh1316 o ok i believe you

@StevenJones851

2 ай бұрын

@@monsesh1316 i was asking a question to that but i doubt he held back against Frieza or Gohan

Akira Toriyama already stated before his passing that beast Gohan is the strongest at the moment. I am sure that will change in the future. Gohan doesn't take his training seriously.

People glad Goku pulled out the " I let you, beat me move"

@Pein718

2 ай бұрын

Toyotaro said they were both going all out

@rewriteanime

2 ай бұрын

Lol

@thetriplejjj0177

2 ай бұрын

@@Pein718that’s what I’ve been saying, Goku wouldn’t hold back in this, he’d want Gohan to go all out, we know Goku, but apparently some people do not

@stevenldoe7838

2 ай бұрын

Goku literally ended the fight with a simple kiai. Not only that after he was "knocked out of Ui" he was just standing their staring at the sky contemplating gohans form without a care in the world. Then just ignites the form again

@Pein718

2 ай бұрын

@@stevenldoe7838 cope, Gohan blitzed him once, he can do it again

It wasn't stated that Gohan maxed out his ki in that powerup he just raised it. So all we know Gohan didnt go all out either

@jeremymorris345

2 ай бұрын

It was stated they went all out.

@UchindamiKayira

2 ай бұрын

​@@jeremymorris345it was stated that he increased his power to a level that he could control. He did not want to snap. Proving he wasn't using max beast form power

@jeremymorris345

2 ай бұрын

@@UchindamiKayira He went all out with what he can control then. I'm just going by the statements.

@UchindamiKayira

2 ай бұрын

@@jeremymorris345 that doesn't mean he went full power, he literally said he is using just enough power that he gets the boost but he doesn't snap

@jeremymorris345

2 ай бұрын

@@UchindamiKayira Ya exactly all out with what he can control. Besides, all out isn't just power. It's also actually trying

The thing is. No matter what technically goku wins under no condition in this match. Whereas there is arguments for gohan. That being said: there is no way to determine who is more powerful off of an incomplete match

Its just tragic that Beast feels very unearned cause its such a cool form

This was super obvious. No one noticed he didn't even pop-off unique UI.

@righteousone5119

2 ай бұрын

That's because the unique UI is just Ultra Instinct Sign and as long as Goku's calm enough, the silver haired UI is stronger

@KorrinBeck

2 ай бұрын

@@righteousone5119 Nope. Learn to read and then read the mangas. K thx.

@m.d_james7736

2 ай бұрын

@@KorrinBeckBro, Gas literally asks why he doesn’t go into silver haired UI during that fight since it indicates max power, and Goku tells him that in order for it to work with max efficiency, his heart needs to be CALM, but with TUI he can put his EMOTIONS to work for him. Beerus even asks Whis during the sparring match if Goku was in his most powerful form, and Whis confirms. Calm MUI > TUI > Wavering MUI > UI Omen.

@KorrinBeck

2 ай бұрын

@@m.d_james7736 "Bro", again, learn to read. You're already one of those that makes up names for levels so your credibility is already low. Go back and read where Whis explains the benefits of a person using personal version of Mastered UI. He literally says it's the next step and also literally learns it *during* the Granolah fight, months before where we are in the manga. Don't be like the average DB fan that has to breathe through your mouth and can't read at a middle school level.

@blesseddlife

2 ай бұрын

@@KorrinBeckwhat the guy above me jut said is true. So ig you should go back and read

Both are at the same level, Gohan Beast and MUI Goku. In terms of strength and power Gohan has the edge, but techniques and consistent speed advantage goes to Goku. It's incredibe how strong Gohan got to match and somewhat surpass Ultra Instinct.

It's one of the most agreeable Ties in DragonBall in my opinion

Goku literally defined sparring. The whole point of sparring is to simulate fighting and to give/ see openings that might happen from your/their attack. It’s to help you work on your flaws in a productive way that benefits both ppl.

As a father, we must always hold back against our children.

@Pein718

2 ай бұрын

Toyotaro said both were going all out

@monsesh1316

2 ай бұрын

@@Pein718 Toyotaro doesnt know what he's talking about. Unless ofc it aligns with what i believe in then he knows absolutely what he's talking about.

@Pein718

2 ай бұрын

@@monsesh1316 cope, he's literally the writer, he knows better than your dumbass

@nicane-9966

26 күн бұрын

@@monsesh1316 that battle came from his ass since Toriyama wasnt doing more than just some advices... so...

This is a dumb take, Goku knew what he sensed from Gohan that's why he jumped right into UI. If Goku were holding back, then Gohan wouldn't have knocked him out of UI...

@TechStarr

2 ай бұрын

well to be fair he did catch him off guard with the massive power and speed increase, thats why he literally asked him what that was lol

@Benescoli

2 ай бұрын

@@TechStarrHe didn't cactch Goku of guard, Gohan was in front of Goku, Goku was in Mui, theire is no reseaon for him to be surprise.

@SaiyanJoestar

2 ай бұрын

Fact, Beerus and Whis confirmed Goku wasn't holding back.

@SaiyanJoestar

2 ай бұрын

​@@TechStarrDid you read the manga?

@mrnegativepredictsthefuture

2 ай бұрын

@@BenescoliI found a couple of reasons of why you should go back to school

Goku and vegeta never go full out even when fighting opponents trying to kill them

It’s just the Goku fans coping bruh 😭 Ik the power up for Gohan is stupid, but like it or not, Gohan is no longer fodder. He’s now in the same tier as his father.

@TechStarr

2 ай бұрын

i agree with the last part

@RJ-fe9pu

2 ай бұрын

This transformation was foreshadowed in DBZ

@kirbyof590stars

2 ай бұрын

@@RJ-fe9pu DBZ? That’s a bit of a stretch. His ultimate transformation was Ultimate (no pun intended) but it was foreshadowed in Super.

@RJ-fe9pu

2 ай бұрын

@@kirbyof590stars if i recall correctly it is in the beginning episodes of dbz

@ChouRaiyuki

2 ай бұрын

@@RJ-fe9pu Naw there was no foreshadowing of any forms back then. It's only said by Radditz that hybrid saiyans tend to be more powerful but at that point even Super Saiyan hadn't been mentioned and the only known transformation was the great ape.

This is the same case with Broly vs Gogeta: Raw Power vs Skill

@DevilHugoRF

2 ай бұрын

Gogeta had more raw power and skill???

@kingkh001

Ай бұрын

@@DevilHugoRFhe probably means before gogeta went ssb, if you watch closely the two were evenly matched in super saiyain, with gogeta pulling ahead through skill

@jsammy5935

27 күн бұрын

@@DevilHugoRF SSJ Gogeta and SSJ Broly were equally matched, it didn't last long however due to Gogeta's Experience and skill in combat, Broly shortly after leveled the playing field with his full power which forced gogeta to fight fire with fire by going blue

I think there’s a difference between holding back and what Goku was doing here. In the context of the past couple chapters where him and vegeta have a legitimate duel, and vegeta mentions this directly in the same chapter as Goku fights Gohan. “Our duel, which I won.” Goku calls back to this when explaining his sparring match with Gohan. It wasn’t like the duel with vegeta where they both wanted a clear winner, it was just a brief litmus test where Goku and Gohan could go all out and test their new limits. Gohan vs Goku was a handshake, Goku vs Vegeta was bloody knuckles.

I'd also like to point out Gohan himself was also holding back. He knew he couldn't truly control his Beast form when he is truly angry, so he increased his power to right on the edge of going berserk.

Goku would never take gohan serious of looking at him like an opp... and if he did... Gohan would be just like the other opps

@UltimateMight999

2 ай бұрын

If goku can damage him

@SonGoku59249

12 күн бұрын

​@@UltimateMight999he can

@UltimateMight999

11 күн бұрын

@@SonGoku59249 yea, that's only if he tried to attack gohan off guard, just like he did in 103

I dont view Goku saying winning wasn't the point the same as Goku holding back. Goku's goal was just to see strong Gohan had gotten, and that required Goku's own full power which is why he went MUI straight off the beginning, Goku only called off the fight because he had the idea of using Gohan to teach Broly. I see Gohan currently being above Goku and Vegeta in power, but his lack of experience and skill nerfs him to about their level so who would take the win is up for debate.

@sameersmith2005

2 ай бұрын

Imo , it was just like the fight between Goku and jiren in the anime when Goku unlocked ultra instinct the first time. Goku was able to close the gap for a moment and even land a blow but that didn't mean Goku was above jiren at that time , more like he could ( which he did ) and that's how this sparring match was , as Gohan was able to close the gap by powering up and even land a hot but he is still not above Goku or Vegeta but I agree to the fact that he can get there as Goku if he keep going like this.

@koltensmith3974

2 ай бұрын

​@@sameersmith2005pretty sure it's been confirmed he's stronger than them at this point, lol

@UchindamiKayira

2 ай бұрын

​@koltensmith3974 it is which just makes people debating who is stronger funny cause we all know Gohan is stronger

@sameersmith2005

2 ай бұрын

@@koltensmith3974 I just shared my opinion and did not claim anything. I also want to mention that if you think that if Toriyama said it....then it's true , I would suggest you to reconsider it as he is also the one who forgot about characters and stories many times ( I apologise to the people who felt offended , for talking like that about him now ). I'm not saying that he was wrong but it's quite doubtful at this point , don't you think so ?

@sameersmith2005

2 ай бұрын

@@UchindamiKayira Who is all ? Looks like I'm not in that just like other all's. Funny is different for everyone you know , for me it is funny how people can't respect other's opinions and found their opinion superior and claim anything without proof (⁠◠⁠‿⁠・⁠).

Shouldn’t surprise anyone to hear “goku held back” when it comes to him fighting ANYONE HE DOESNT ABSOLUTELY DESPISE THAT DOESNT GIVE HIM ANY OTHER CHOICE. Because goku ALWAYS does that, he likes to enjoy the fight, even when he knows he may not win he, even when it’s someone LEAGUES above him he always wants to fight because he’s a battle addict.

Honestly I think it was just a great chapter before Akira passed away. Full of hope for the future of the series and honestly some damn good fan service.

There’s no way Gohan could surpass Goku like that. UI is a power BEYOND a god. Meanwhile, Beast is just a form Gohan unlocked when he got mad again.

@rewriteanime

2 ай бұрын

But Gohan did surpass Goku... why don't Goku take his God powers and go back to having beam clashes with someone his level with ooh...I don't know, maybe someone like Krillin again? That would be great. Beast Gohan is too far beyond Goku at this point.

@dopadream

2 ай бұрын

You didn't watch super bro, Gohan's ultimate form was almost completely on par with blue. Idk if you were asleep or sum but the kid has been OP since Z. It's just facts. Of course a powerup beyond ultimate is going to make him skyrocket beyond UI. It would be completely out of character if it wasn't.

@JeremiahDoctsonFitness

2 ай бұрын

​@@rewriteanime Lmaoooo Goku is way beyond Gohan still

@Lil-ProNk

2 ай бұрын

Yeah not to mention it's a form that not even the gods themselves can master and with his new form TUI

@Lil-ProNk

2 ай бұрын

​@@rewriteanimeCome on we all know that TUI is OP and not to mention it's a form not even the gods themselves can master just think🤔 about that.

Everyone was w aiting for This fight but the prediction Goku actually didn't Win Mabey the Son really can surpass the father😅 OMG I got pinned😊😊

I hear the phrase 'Goku was holding back' so much I wonder sometimes if his fans think he's ever gone full power or taken an actual loss.

It was stated multiple times anyway that Gohan was the strongest so Goku at Full power beating Gohan would make no sense.

Goku is still pretty clearly above gohan the way I see it gohan was try Harding and goku was just testing gohan’s strength. It’s just that simple lol.

@koltensmith3974

2 ай бұрын

It's not though. Nothing seems to imply or suggest it was/is, lol

@UchindamiKayira

2 ай бұрын

It was officially stated that Gohan is stronger than Goku and Vegeta, if you don't believe it then maybe Akira was lying🙄

@koltensmith3974

2 ай бұрын

@@UchindamiKayira what can you say? Goku fanboys, lol

@sarban1653

2 ай бұрын

Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta all seem to be in the same tier now. Any differences would be small.

@reignjudgment1028

2 ай бұрын

@@UchindamiKayira toriyama never once said gohan was stronger than goku and vegeta. Vegeta fights beats gohan in ssb lol. Toriyama did made the implication by claiming gohan vs cell max was the strongest fight we’ve seen. Only thing is it’s just not consistent because cell max has massive anti feats which leads me to believe he’s nowhere near as powerful as toriyama tried to hype him up, and by extension neither is gohan. For example people like krillin were getting good hits on cell max. Which means I guess Krillin also scales around the same level as cell max and beast gohan lol. Fat base gotenks is responsible for cracking cell max’s skull so that’s the extent of cell max’s durability.

Why does no one notice the panel where goku just casually slaps gohan away after noticing brolly watching?

@CalebVela682

2 ай бұрын

Not really casually, it's just that MUI requires Goku to have a calm mind so most of the time you won't see any other expression on his face besides calm or neutral and I'm pretty sure he does that weird air force push thing that he once did against chi-chi but way stronger in order to give himself enough room to tell Gohan that Broly seems interested in fighting him.

@mihir19agarwal

Ай бұрын

Because it isn’t relevant Only Goku fans think so it is

@SonGoku-vf8gc

Ай бұрын

@@mihir19agarwal it is if your a writer, and im on the ship that says goku is given too much spotlight

@mihir19agarwal

Ай бұрын

@@SonGoku-vf8gc if the brush affected Gohan in any sort of way it would’ve, Gohan’s beast was exchanging blows with Goku UI which is supposed to dodge everything, no one’s talking about that because it wasn’t relevant, they were sparring until both of them 1 uped each other

the crazy thing about gohans form is the fact that is limitless in terms of power, as long as he trains and gets stronger he will be able to get more power without losing control because that form allows him to... and that is while being unperfect because he said thats "the best he can do now"... he is gonna be a monster eventually.

Goku proud of his son. He wants him to get stronger and improve. He has the talent. Now he just needs to put in the work.

Goku be like: "I'ma need that beast mode now"

Beast Gohan is super strong and a level above the others but let's not forget that Ultra Instinct is a power not even some Gods of destruction have achieved. But Goku and Vegeta were trained by a God of destruction and an Angel so they had huge help whereas Gohan gained that power without training with them... Imagine if he trained with Whis and Beerus for a long time 🤯🤯

'I'm going to surpass you Dad!' 'Of course you are, you're my son after all' - I'm guessing that's what Goku is thinking. My father always says to me, if I don't surpass him, he has failed as a father.

Goku is very strategic he loves To see ur capabilities so he can push himself

Goku was honestly going light on gohan and anyone with a brain can see that, he was trying to see and test out gohans new found strength and gauge how it compares to that of its own. Goku was never shown to go at gohan with brutal attacks or shown to want to harm gohan to win the sparring match.

Gohan also held back, and he did not go max power. He said himself that "he powered up to the point before he would snap" to be able to keep up with goku. Meaning that he could get stronger, but then it would turn into something more intense then a casual sparring match.

The important thing is that this was a SPARRING MATCH. Like he himself says, if Goku was fighting for real it likely would have gone his way on experience alone. Gohan's WHOLE thing is that he massively shoots up in strength during life or death moments, but rarely is it enough to close a gap in power. Goku's ability and fighting sense on top of the boost from UI almost certainly would give him the edge, but we'll literally never know for certain, and I'm perfectly fine saying they're just in the ballpark of each other for now.

Yall forget that goku has tons of tons of tons of fighting experience training with gods 24/7. Going through many life and death situations, if the fight was serious and they both have the same power lvl, those experiences and hardship will give goku the edge over Gohan no matter what

Me personally, no one won or lost but, no one can deny that Gohan entirely not only by passing Goku's MUI but, also hit him so hard it put Goku back into his base form is HELLA impressive. Keep this in mind, for an opponent to detransform that is a saiyan, they have to either lose so much ki they cant hold the transformation or get hit so hard they tempirarily cause the user to 'black out' where their ki just drops dramatically because of that hit. Sure Goku got up quickly and powered back up but, it dosen't deny the fact Gohan is the real deal and I think Goku underestimated his son and paid the price briefly.

the chapter seemed pretty conclusive imo. Gohan at max power had higher overall stats and power but Goku's sheer combat experience combined with MUI's properties allowed him to keep up with Gohan and prevent himself from getting his ass beat badly. Goku states his goal wasn't to beat Gohan which just means he had no intention of dragging the fight out to determine a winner, not that he was holding back. One of the few times in modern dragon ball where Power level and raw stats aren't everything and a good way to show that techniques actually matter.

They both held back. It was a sparring match at the end of the day between two people who didn't intend to kill each other

I got the same vibe ,that goku wasn't really interest in winning but he could if he wanted to

True. Goku NEVER goes all out to start. Goku held back for sure

It’s easy to tell when Goku wants to win. It’s in how he fights. His stance, his guard, how aggressive he gets. He was so chill here he never intended to win.

It was just like in a hyperbolic time chamber training for Cell. Goku was ready to call it a day but Gohan wanted to keep going and went Super Saiyan 2 for a couple seconds and then passed out.

Goku called it off not just because he had enough of testing Gohan’s power, but he also wanted to see Broly spar Gohan since he saw Broly interested in Gohan.

If goku fought gohan like how he fought jiren then he’d win but he didn’t so technically he held back

It's pretty simple, Goku's UI showed emotions and that does mean that he wasn't serious at all. We know that he prefered UI Sing because the MUI couldn't let him enjoy the fight or be himself, so i would say that now he can show emotions even in MUI and that's impresive because of the great control he gained since Granola Arc. In other words, while Gohan was trying his best and growing his Ki level at almost insane levels, Goku was enjoying the sparring showing all his emotions meaning that he wasn't using UI at full potencial.

Goku's being a proud father! Hell, when my son showed me he learned one of my many skills, I was ESTATIC! Winning was never the objective with that match.

I think that Goku was consciously holding back, and when Gohan went full power and attacked him. It was enough enough of a surprise because of the power boost that it knocked him out of the UI state because it was stronger then he thought, and probably used more strength from there.

Never forget that freeza call gohan leader

Goku always seems to have a little thought in his mind about what if I tried something new

Just Remember that Gohan and Broly have yet to reach their mortal peak where their normal Ki exchanges into God Ki.

The fact that Goku wanted to stop fighting tho.. that's crazy

Gohan after hearing Goku: ooh maaaan I thought I'm a real beast I felt the dog inside of me

Testing him during his fight, exactly how he tested against Jiren in all forms he had in first battle in the show

The Leland in that second match is insane bro whaat🤯

I love how we went from everyone on the same path: super saiyin, ssj2, ssj3, (ssj4), ssj god, ssj blue To goku going ultra instinct, vageta going ultra ego and gohan going beast mode

Goku getting hit and saying what the hell was that for is hilarious

People using Goku saying that are people coping for him losing. Yes Goku has more skill, yes he wants Gohan to surpass him. But no, he never intended of being knocked out of UI. It’s that simple. He lost even if he didn’t mean to, he underestimated him. Losing is losing regardless of the circumstances. Like Goku losing to Vegeta at the end of the Super Hero movie without transforming. Goku gave up but could’ve kept going. And people count that as a loss 🤷🏽‍♂️