The military is being purged of “non-compliant” leadership. Who do you think they’re not complying with?

@louiscypher4186

2 жыл бұрын

Incompetent political appointments.

@lorensmith8861

2 жыл бұрын

Zionist Occupied Government

@CharlonClarke

2 жыл бұрын

seems you're on here making sense, how dare you....

@davidprins5504

2 жыл бұрын

Gooood morning shipmates let's go Brandon

@davidprins5504

2 жыл бұрын

Gooood morning shipmates let's go Brandon

Would be nice if the same applied to politicians too.

@CharlonClarke

2 жыл бұрын

whoa whoa stop making sense

The internet never forgets... Someone who gets relieved is someone who has not committed to crime but lacks judgment. Enlisted NJPs aren't recorded and published for public ridicule. Personal failures of a commander's judgment not rising to criminal acts should identified by their leadership and dealt with as a personnel matter... not be permanently stained on someone's public record for the whole world to ridicule.

@Virtualstalker

2 жыл бұрын

NJP are put out on the plan of the week. It may not be named but so and so did X and got Y. Obv if you only have say 1 to 5 people the most I ever seen was 40 people, going to NJP. NJP held at most once a week if not bi weekly. If a command being removed that not a small deal that massive. You not only have to rewrite command instu. you have a complete change. Most of the time it is criminal. So I don't know where you getting your info, but that what you said is not accurate.

@johnfleming7879

2 жыл бұрын

I have seen at least one case where an extremely capable officer was turned into a scapegoat, and relieved , too. It helped that he was an outsider and non-conformist in his conduct-in one little opfo action, when he was a Platoon Leader, he infiltrated, one at a time, all his men past the West Pointer's perimeter, positioned them, when to his friends cp- and announced, "You are my prisoner". No big deal, but showing a serious shortcoming in the units training- which wasnt polite

Unpopular opinion here... If the Navy were to kick out every officer that has had a mis-step in their career no one would have ever heard of Chester Nimitz. Not excusing the actions of these skippers, but the Navy is facing a crisis. In my community, JOs are jumping ship faster than the navy can make them. They are left with a situation where the pool of officers available for DH or command is lackluster. "The best of what's left." Again, not excusing the behavior, however, the Navy can't keep the good ones in. If they fix their officer retention issues, they will, in turn, fix the quality of officer that screens for command.

@louiscypher4186

2 жыл бұрын

They aren't kicking out every officer that missteps, This is a political purge they are using indiscretions as justification. Unlike the advisory boards they targeted in 2021 they need a genuine excuse to target officers. So they go through their records knowing that most people fuck up at least once in their lives and use that to burn them.

@mbryant8490

2 жыл бұрын

This is the same problem the Surface navy had when I was in from 1975 to 1996. I was enlisted for the first 9 1/2 years, and noticed the aviation, special ops and sub folks don't have the same leadership issues surface warfare has.

@Rick_Sanchez_C137_

2 жыл бұрын

They don’t want to fix it, they want people that will do whatever they are told, even if it violates law, even if it violates the constitution…. And they don’t want anyone left willing to stand on principles.

@Virtualstalker

2 жыл бұрын

The thing is UCMJ is to be uniformly enforced. If I can get kick out, and office can to, but they don't. The idea of oh there not enough officers. Look at the enlistment per rate and year groups. There are many, many rate undermanned. Back in 17 or 18. 40+ MMN where kicked out of navy on massed from the Reagan. MMNs are in such demand that they made MMs do the job. All anyone asking is the rules to be enforce across the board, but simple they are not. I seen a Chief with 3 DUI in a single year. He was given 30/30, he server 7 days then they(command) took him off. He still in. I can go on with the issue I seen, but it will never help.

@davidtherwhanger6795

2 жыл бұрын

@@Virtualstalker Yeah. And I saw a career Master Chief busted down to E-1 and given a dishonorable discharge for having a joint. I also served with a MM1 that they refused to even bring up for NJP, simply because from there he could request a Captain's Mast, and from there a Court Martial. But he had too much dirt on high ranking officers for them to let him into a Court Martial where he would introduce that information. Never came up for promotion. Never got busted for any of the crap he pulled. Never renewed that last enlistment either and he left. It's all about who you know, and how much they want to keep it quiet.

As a former US NAVY Sailor, ABE 2, the stress and hours I dedicated to the mission were INSANE. I worked anywhere from 24 to my longest day 74 hours with 2 combat naps when at sea. When you join the military, you give up your PERSONAL RIGHTS and become a TEAM. I was a part of the Greatest Cat crew ever. When we were on the flight deck,we ALWAYS looked out for each other,even though below decks we didn't like each other. I have to say, it was the GREATEST and MOST meaningful thing that ever happened to me. GO NAVY and FUCK THE PRONOUNS. The only THEY is the team.

I know a a SGT with 2 DUI’s and got caught cheating on his wife. He openly brags about it. At least 3 article 15’s later he is still a SGT and is still in.

@DavidLLambertmobile

2 жыл бұрын

is he 18 series? SOF guys were litterly getting away with murder. ☠️ look that the WA area Army Ranger who attacked & strangled a unarmed black female security guard.

@cardinalbob1

2 жыл бұрын

Personally, I wouldn’t tempt fate.

@jessiewyatt526

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for putting out my business like that. I''ll have you know that all my evaluations were on point and always lead by example my guy

Here is the problem. When you have the top brass caught in trouble they either get a slap in wrist or retire with their pension. A lowly enlisted sailor on the other will have their misconduct released to the public, labeled a cancer and lose all benefits with a bad conduct discharge. Remember the good old boys club doesn't take responsibility, it only pushes it to the scapegoat. We need a complete sweep of both leadership and policy.

@Saanonymous80

2 жыл бұрын

Can we start with the Commander-in-Chief? That one actually deserves a "Loss of confidence"

@XR171

2 жыл бұрын

Its not just that lower enlisted get everything publicized, its also that they become the scapegoat as soon as there appears to be evidence. Look at the guy accused of torching the Bonhomme Richard.

@DavidLLambertmobile

2 жыл бұрын

Gen David Pertreis US Army as DCI/CIA got into some deep ^&=÷. Plus had a affair with his book co-author 😘. He slunked out. GEN Stanley War Machine MacCrystal got jammed up over his anti Obama remarks, bad attitude. He deserved his UCMJ acts.

@goodfortune5480

2 жыл бұрын

A lot of civi jobs have unions so leadership can't enforce unfair treatment against the lowly level personnel

@jayklink851

2 жыл бұрын

A naval aviator PURPOSELY shot down an Air Force plane with a sidewinder, nearly paralyzing the wizzo. This guy went on to have a distinguished career and almost became an admiral, but some pesky congressmen found out his psychopathic behavior. The Navy swept the entire incident under the rug. Remember now, this was a training exercise off the coast of Italy. However, the naval aviator asked an admiral if he could shoot a sidewinder at him, not a drill, he really wanted a chance to shoot something. The admiral claims he thought the pilot was joking, so he said, "go for it, light em up." Thus, the Navy didn't fire the pilot to protect the admiral's ass.

Retired Senior Chief here. I've read alot of comments but an inconsistency stands out. Seems that folks are clamoring for change, and that the old ways need to go. Then there are threads mentioning you can't make it today without endorsing CRT, LGBTQ, or any other social issue that is currently in vogue. Accountability should be a mark of how well we are doing. Maybe the reason for a relief should be spelled out, but not name the individual. You can't keep that secret. I agree it is shitty that officers are punished differently from enlisted, the different spanks for different ranks. Military has always been a two tier society. Is this a change some advocate? After all, a fuckup is a fuckup. But consider this. If FN Timmy and the CO get a DUI on the same night, who suffers the longest term consequences? Overall, the Navy has had a serious leadership problem for quite some time that goes beyond offenses. It is obvious the Officer community has to do some housecleaning but when the community insulates and protects itself, no change is coming. And that change is needed, especially in the SWO community.

Loss of confidence should have been discovered and corrected long before these officers reached this rank. Their training, knowledge level and instincts should have been taken care of long when they were junior officers by the CPO's.

@darbyheavey406

2 жыл бұрын

Loss of Confidence means the said officer was not politically reliable- in Biden world not woke enough.

@sakud1

2 жыл бұрын

New political leadership could be the cause.

I have loss of confidence in a lot of politicians.....boot them fools with no pension

Thank you Nicky my son leaves soon for bootcamp. You keep us informed on so many issues.

If it's just a DUI then jail time for a week then come back to the command. If it's sexual then kicked out, no pension. If it's actually just "loss of confidence", then nothing, they just weren't up to the challenge, try again next time.

@quasarsavage

2 жыл бұрын

This seems fair, ppl can learn if it truly is a one time thing, but if they are a dirtbag or commit a violent crime they yeah get them out and into prison

@nexpro6118

2 жыл бұрын

It's partly due to the military having invested for time, training and more money into its Officers. So kicking out an Officer is harder than an enlisted. Military spends less money on enlisted. Military members are an investment. Its why for some jobs, like pilots, the person has to sign a longer commitment contract because the military is spending a bunch of money on you to become a pilot and they want that investment back. It makes sense to me.

@tonyromano6220

2 жыл бұрын

Right

When I was in the Army in the mid 1980's, we had a 2 Star get stopped by a E4 MP for DUI, the General got retired super quick.

@stevenalvarado-doc7334

2 жыл бұрын

My dad was also in the Army. In the early 70s we lived in Germany if you were arrested for drunk driving you and your family were immediately sent back to the US. To Ft POLK.

My first CMC got in front of the Battalion and said the DUI was not true. At this moment EO3 started reading the public arrest record stating CMC was arrested x day for DUI. He was retired shortly after.

It’s called a “purge” Maverick.

In the current administration, I would imagine they were standing for honor, loyalty and military readiness.

@vitigaymer1053

2 жыл бұрын

They got randomly asked "Would you fire on American civillians if a politician ordered you to!" Those that responded "no" - "lost confidence in their abilities to command"

@joinjen3854

2 жыл бұрын

@@vitigaymer1053 EXACTLY. I am former US Navy. Been going on since early Obama years.

Navy calls it lost of confidence. Corporate world calls it pursue other interests.

Oh, look, it's same as it was 14 years ago. In 2008, I went to a Prevent Class where I met a LCDR on his third DUI. He was an instructor at the flight school in Kingsville. We also had an aircrewman that was allowed to stay in after his second DUI, because he was a "good sailor." Meanwhile, I've seen non-aviator enlisted lose rank or get kicked out for much less.

@thebunnisher109

2 жыл бұрын

Yup I’ve seen the same. I had my fingers crossed that the senior officers were fired over their courage to not force the vax on their crews, but that was wishful thinking.

@rgloria40

2 жыл бұрын

Probably used the military clearance to hide the paperwork...but the NAVY unemployment blacklist....basically a identity theft ring....

@ericanderson3777

2 жыл бұрын

@@rgloria40 that’s not how clearances work

@rgloria40

2 жыл бұрын

@@ericanderson3777 What is written is not what is followed from Historical Data. For example, hiding ex martial affairs was classified by secret service and other military personnel. Once reveal, many used clearances to put a lid on it. It specifically stated that for over fifty years...Not followed...

I think that these are scary times for sure. All we can do is do what we are trained to do, and not get caught up in the drama. Everyone is replaceable, but our freedom and liberty are everything to lose at this point.

we should hold their supervisors to the same standard. ie congress, senate, VP and of course President. cant fire people for doing the same thing that they do themselves. or their family members. JMHO

@davidyetter5409

2 жыл бұрын

Don't forget the JCS.

@CharlonClarke

2 жыл бұрын

you my friend, are making too much sense

@Saanonymous80

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely some candidates for "Loss of confidence".

@CharlonClarke

2 жыл бұрын

@@Saanonymous80 if that was the case they'd be getting relieved every other paycheck

I was Navy for twenty years, enlisted and commissioned from 1950 through 1970. Surface, line, regular. I never experienced, witnessed nor heard of the sort of thing reported in the twenty or so comments I have read here. It began with admiral Zumwalt and the assignment of women to ships. It didn't take much to see what was coming and I no longer aspired to command at sea, so I retired. Joining when I did and retiring when I did were two of the best decisions of my life.

Yes! Thank you Nicky. Navy needs to change and hold everyone accountable and get the same punishment etc.

Git em Nicky! Love yer show

Back in the day, in order to make E-7 you had to have had at least 1 DUI.🤣😂

@goobfilmcast4239

2 жыл бұрын

funny....but not as an E-6..... thing done as an E-5 and below might be "forgiven"..... E-6s with DUI, Domestic abuse allegations or battery could not make the board

@TheBlackhorse1954

Ай бұрын

That's close to accurate. When I pinned on E-5 SGT rank, for lunch they took me to the NCO Club and got me drunk. My platoon Sgt was an alcoholic, and we preferred him drunk over sober. This was 1972/73. Over the course of 20 years things completely turned around.

Good start to a conversation. The solution is a set of policies that 1) ensure that due process is followed so that a leader being removed is treated fairly based on the reason, and that the Public Affairs team is required to adhere to transparent release of information. In my day as an active-duty Marine courts-martial results were published. It gets harder (just as in the outside world) when a deal is cut. Bet that is part of what is going on. All in all, what kind of future does a sacked staff-level officer or NCO have with a crappy retention code on their DD-214.

It's funny, when I was in the units I was in were pretty open about why officers and Senior enlisted were relieved for cause. When I got to my first duty station the company Commander previous to me getting there was relief for cause for an inappropriate relationship with the mail clerk, who was a female PFC. When I was in 101st, I had a first certain relief for cause for sexual discrimination against two female ncos, and I had a a battalion sergeant major relief for cause for disrespect to an officer, although it was actually two officers. We had a company formation for the first sergeant relief, and when he relieved the sergeant major, the battalion Commander had a formation the next morning to explain what happened in broad strokes. The E4 grapevine got the details out later.

NOT A COVER UP. Relieving an Officer of their Command is routine in the Armed Forces. Few breaches of conduct rise to the point of criminality under the UCMJ or State/Fed Law. Periodically, some service members are simply not up to the responsibility and maturity of being a Commissioned Officer, let alone the pressure and stress of Command. You know there are plenty of people who should not be Cops or Teachers etc but are only "exposed" after they have already started the job.

@mikegillihan4546

2 жыл бұрын

@Jason Walter Knowing how to play politics

@nexpro6118

2 жыл бұрын

It's partly due to the military having invested for time, training and more money into its Officers. So kicking out an Officer is harder than an enlisted. Military spends less money on enlisted. Military members are an investment. Its why for some jobs, like pilots, the person has to sign a longer commitment contract because the military is spending a bunch of money on you to become a pilot and they want that investment back. It makes sense to me.

DUI isn't a mistake, it's a choice.

Loss of confidence is very vague however the relief for cause can be for a variety of reasons. I have seen this used for an officer lying during an investigation concerning property loss trying to “help his battle buddy out” while they told the truth about never initially accounting for the property. Another was a CSM failing an Army Physical Fitness Test which meant they were unable to lead by example. I have even seen one for a commander just making poor decisions during an field exercise. I don’t believe all of these individuals were relieved for DUIs but without transparency I guess we will never know.

@nexpro6118

2 жыл бұрын

Committing adultery is still illegal in the military. So committing audultry can cause an officer to be relieved from a duty station. For this case, a DUI should not end his career and end his retirement.

@daleferber2096

2 жыл бұрын

@@nexpro6118 And here is a fun fact, as spelled out in the UCMJ "committing adultery" is defined as "sex with someone/anyone ( I do not remember the exact word) other than your wife/spouse (again I do not remember the exact word). and it does not matter if you or the other party is married or not. So if you are not married, by the strictest reading of the article you are committing adultery every time you have PIV sex and also anything other than that one specific act to include also getting oral, even from your wife was considered sodomy which is also a UCMJ offense.

@daleferber2096

2 жыл бұрын

Still my point is/was. Spell it out good bad ugly, embarrassing, dirtiest of dirty laundry say EXACTLY what he/she did or failed to do

@raymondharris3200

2 жыл бұрын

@@nexpro6118 We would have less than 10% of the military members we have now if that was enforced....

@nexpro6118

2 жыл бұрын

@@raymondharris3200 lol 10% is generous on your part ha

Nice video. When I was onboard the USS Knox FF-1052 in the late 80’s my CO had a dui in our home port of Yokosuka, Japan and nothing happened to him except he was restricted to the base. At his change of command he was awarded the Legion of Merit or the Bronze Star. In liberty ports he was a drunk and he was not a good CO at all.

@stevengoodman7167

2 жыл бұрын

I was on the knox from 88 to 91 cdr Maxwell was the co then and he made capt when he left in 1990

Alcohol use to be a career builder, now it is considered a career buster. Reminds me of prohibition with an axe. Admitting failure in promoting these individuals if they have to publish what happened.

I was in the Navy 22 years and I always detested this "loss of confidence" crap. Why, what exactly did he/she do or fail to do that caused this "loss" ?? Was it DUI which even when I was in if you were at all "senior" IE "CPO" could easily result in immediate discharge or anything in the sexual harassment area. Did he/she run the ship aground or allow it to fall into such a state of disrepair (a cover it up) that it could no longer get underway? And do not try to say |well we don't want to air our "dirty laundry" as an excuse to use this "loss of confidence" crap I also detested "allowed to retire" as if that equaled "being punished" when he/she was quite literally NOT punished AT ALL. Or the line you heard all too often, "well he/she" didn't get promoted" Admiral, Captain, what ever or didn't get some next assignment CO of an Aircraft Carrier for example as if that was some form of punishment when stats say that most people who never screw up at all also don't make Admiral or even Captain and don't get one of those few top jobs CO of and Aircraft carrier, the Blue Angels, Battleships when we had them Some job in the Pentagon or White House ETC ETC.

@johnfleming7879

2 жыл бұрын

and why so many, all at once-? Did those guys who banged their vessels into each other a few years ago get the same treatment?

@nexpro6118

2 жыл бұрын

What rank did you retire at? Also, thank you for your dedication and service.

@daleferber2096

2 жыл бұрын

@@nexpro6118 E-7 CPO. Made it in 8 years so I thought I could make ETCM without a problem in the next 12 but then the 90's set in and I and about 1300 ETC's who were no where near 20 went no where, for 10 years it was single digits for promotion , 1200 plus eleiglible and 4 to maybe 8 sslots for ETCS less than 1/10 of 1 %

@nexpro6118

2 жыл бұрын

@@daleferber2096 Jesus. Yeah, was that due to the military getting a massive budget cute when Clinton took over? And i knows that most of the time when military members hit a certain year, like 20, if they cannot promote to next rank, than you get retired out. As for officers, if you hit the 29 year mark and cannot get O-6 promotion then thru retire you at 30

@daleferber7592

2 жыл бұрын

@@nexpro6118 Actually no. Clinton often gets blamed for all the downsizing and budget cutting of the 90's and he was not entirely blameless but most people who heap all the blame on him seen to conveniently forget that he was not even sworn in until almost Feb. 93 and by then the biggest parts of downsizing and budget cutting IE "the peace dividend" had been going on for years by then. I taught A school from 89 to 93 and starting in early 91 . we went from 3 shifts of students to one in about a year, it's a LONG pipeline. We were early out and early retiring people (15 year retirement) like nobodies business In the Navy in general we ere decomming ships and aircraft squadrons and that all was going on big time prior to Bills 1rst day in the WH, in fact because of the way the federal budget works the FY 93 budget started in Oct 92 so the first one he had anything to do with was 9 months in the future so at best he kept it going and in fact the steepest part of dive was over by then and the glideslope became a lot shallower but still that 1200 plus bubble took 10 plus years to fall off the other end. As far as the "passed over" Officers and enlisted are different. With officers if you get passed over for promotion 3 times you have to be out, retired or resigned within the next year. Enlisted have "high year tenuree" HYT 24 years for E-7 it had been 26 and heard it went back up for a while after 9-11

Good for them standing up for what they believe, even at the cost of there future, we need more people like this, TOGETHER WE ARE ONE,

Hell, now he can become a Chief Petty Officer since he has a DUI, if he has a DV he will be a shoe in for Master Chief.

@bodazaphfa

2 жыл бұрын

Haha you beat me to it.

My first XO and CO were relieved of their duties then they implemented the Cinderella liberty I'm home port. I had a fake liberty card to stay out at night.

They’re probably weeding out all of the upper brass that don’t treat sailors with kid gloves.

@Saanonymous80

2 жыл бұрын

That's what I'm thinking, too. They aren't "woke" enough for the highest official.

@piscinaiv7937

2 жыл бұрын

How does 'wokeness' impact an individual's decision to drive drunk again?

@MrDgm1995

2 жыл бұрын

@@piscinaiv7937 that’s only one of the multiple cases of “loss of confidence”.

@MrDgm1995

2 жыл бұрын

@@Saanonymous80 I know of a couple people in command retiring due to current military politics and policies so I could see them firing some of these service members for “loss of confidence” simply for a disagreement in policy

@piscinaiv7937

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrDgm1995 Ok and where is the evidence of the 'not woke enough rollbacks' ?

@nickyMGTV my navy brother, Happy (HM) Birthday! Hey i think its pronounced "bull kelley" but its smushed together. cheers!

In the early 90's I was stationed at Travis AFB, Ca. We had a 1st/Sgt that got caught DUI, as I recall he was relieved of duty and discharged ASAP. I don't recall what happened in regards to his retirement.

As an outsider looking in, the Navy, like all organisations now, is full of people with camera phones, access to social media, etc, so that "indiscretions" can quickly end up on the News. I fully agree that there should be one standard for everyone, however, unless a criminal act has been committed, I think it is up to the senior officer to ensure that the miscreant is stood aside, a full investigation made, and then suitably counselled, If the issue concerns more than one person, or if the culprits are not known, then the approach of the USAF Academy ( which is on KZread regarding racism and respect ) should be considered. Also, bear in mind the time and cost of training military personnel, and the years of experience it takes to assume senior positions, would seem to indicate the need for a more nuanced, and effective, response, to both reduce the instances referred to, and to deal with it without resorting to loss of employment . In this particular instance ( USAF Academy ) he called everyone to a meeting, expressed disappointment that issues of disrespect had occurred, explained why that was unacceptable, and said a failure to uphold our values reflects on everyone, and if you are unable to uphold our values you need to get out. ( For an older generation, this is known as "being read the riot act" ) I personally think that his approach was a good response, as it informs everyone, at one time, what is not acceptable and why, and it reminds people of their broader responsibility to both each other, and to the organisation. It also acts as a reminder of both the privilege, and expectations, that are required to serve the organization. It is also important because the military is an organization that requires teamwork, and confidence within the team to ensure that procedures are followed, that team members are looking out for each other, and that requisite safety procedures are followed. A failure to do so can cost you, or your team, to be seriously injured or worse, and every tean member has a personal responsibility for their actions. Regards to all.

the most important thing for US Navy right now is: TRANSGENDER RIGHTS. destroying the enemy is like secondary (or tertiary, most likely. at best of times)

I was a soldier from 1973 to 1993. One thing I really hated was how enlisted and officers were treated when they got into trouble. If an enlisted person committed a DUI, for example, everything was fully publicized. The commander would talk about at the next commander's call. If an article 15 or other punishment was rendered, it was posted on the unit bulletin board, the first sergeant would point it out during the morning formation, etc. If it was an officer/warrant officer, they would just be gone, never to be seen or mentioned again as if a magician had just popped smoke! I will say that senior enlisted such as First Sergeants or Sergeants Major were most often treated like officers and transferred to another unit. If you were an E7 and below, no such luck.

@nexpro6118

2 жыл бұрын

It's partly due to the military having invested for time, training and more money into its Officers. So kicking out an Officer is harder than an enlisted. Military spends less money on enlisted. Military members are an investment. Its why for some jobs, like pilots, the person has to sign a longer commitment contract because the military is spending a bunch of money on you to become a pilot and they want that investment back. It makes sense to me.

In the military, you do as told without hesitation or question and you advance up the ranks. Challenge the system in any way and you will be hounded and harassed until your enlistment is up and you decide not to re-up.

@mikehawk120

2 жыл бұрын

If they let you re-up lol.

Hey gives more info then the navy times!!!

Wow, didn’t think I’d see a video about my old co. Those were a few interesting days on Preble

In 1980 I stopped a LtCmd on the base I was assigned. He was weaving on the road. I smelled alcohol on him and gave him the sobriety test. He passed all of them with no problem. I said good night and be safe. The next night I was pulled into to OOD's office a day ask if I knew who the officer I pulled over was. I was told he was the CO of the SEAL team assigned there. He reported to the base security that I was polite and courteous to him why I pulled him over.

Lol my last captain had 3 DUIs, all he got out of it was sent out to sea for a bunch of 45 day cruises to the Caribbean. Guess it's different now than it was back in 1991

I did 18 years in the Army and it always pissed me off that the more rank you had the more privileges you had when you messed up. If anything it should be the opposite the more rank you have the severe your punishment should be. For not only are you expected to know better and set a higher standard. But you have no excuse not to know right from wrong. You set the example in doing right from wrong. You should also set the example of what happens if you do wrong. Also it's a higher and graver sin if you will. You kind expect a percentage of lower enlisted to mess up. But not the command they are supposed to be above that.

@tjack1966

2 жыл бұрын

Hence the acronym RHIP

They should be an good example for the future generations. GOOD job U.S. Navy🇺🇲

Most companies will not give details as to why members are let go or relieved. In most cases details on personnel matters are not provided to the media.

Back when I was at RTC THU I heard Capt Sandin had gotten a DUI

@thatbrownhairedgirl1796

2 жыл бұрын

Me too. I was in separations at the time and because of that my departure date got pushed back by about a week.

If your lower in rank you get kicked out, if your rank is high enough they look the other way. Gen. KEANE WHEN HE WAS 101st ABN DiV commander got multiple DUIs, his career survived.

The culture and climate of the US Navy and all military branches has needed to change for a long time. I was in the Navy in a long time ago. I appreciate all the military videos, some I agree with some I don’t. What is does is keeps this defective or outdated ways that need to change to move forward with the business of protection. I am a VERY Proud US Navy Veteran and highly recommend the US Navy!

Lmao the bulkeley was on the same pier as us a couple of weeks ago and they showed up to ecp watch over an hour late, i was so pissed

@CharlonClarke

2 жыл бұрын

those who are late to ECP watch need to be kicked out honestly.... I get upset just thinking about it

My main question is the efficacy of annual reveiw and support. Am I actually supposed to belive that an officer who has been annually scrutinized for 15-20 years decided that tonight was going to be the night he had his first drink and then decided to drive home? Obviously, the good of the command and the people under the commander is paramount, but I sort of feel sorry for these people. If they actually never did do so much as jay-walk and then decided "to quote Airplane", "today is a good day to try heroine!", then something is serioulsy up with them. That's kind of unlikely, so there had to be plenty of stuff that was let slide over the years. Maybe telling the ensign or the Louie JG to cut the crap - or else - would have prevented these. Bad look and probably bad for morale. This is happening so often that i can't help but think that there is a bit of a witch hunt going on to gain "social justice" stripes. It can't be good for a command if the CO knows he was given the job so that someone can earn cred by ending that CO's career. PS - In the case of a DUI, yes - but there had to be something that could have been "interventioned" earlier. But, as I said, this is now a weekly event and we do not actually have that many USN commands to go through a minimum of 52 officers careers a year and still function! "Transparency" Please! What is wrong with "your" system that so many deplorable reprobates get command before they are "discovered"? If they aren't actually heinous retrobates, tell everyone the prameters used to keep moving the goal-line. If it is somewhere in the middle, let everyone know what the problem is!

Honor among thieves, same guys guarding us on September 11, 2001. They all deserve medals.

I have loss in confidence in the people making these selections....

This is a personnel matter and is thus confidential just as it is everywhere. It is not like a courts martial where charges must be made.

We had something like this in Okinawa in the early 90's. Our Base Commander and several high ranking officers were fired/retired for "loss of confidence" in command. Lots of fraternization, a squadron commander sleeping with pilots wives for husbands promotions, sex games with the secretaries and a Col's suicide. The military paper for the island had a story about it and they wouldn't let them distribute it on Kadena. People stood outside the gate and handed them out. There was great picture of the Base Commander and a bunch of his pilots in a stateside paper called "Drink Booze News". There were all holding a very pretty, scantily clad young woman. We thought that was kinda funny. They moved the General on to another command and some of the others we're given the option to retire.

Im surprised DoD hasnt started any campaigns to discourage drinking while in service.

While I was a recruit back at RTC in the fall/winter of last year as I RECRUIT I always heard that capt Sandin may be getting fired and you’d hear rumors about him having dui’s

"The media if the fourth branch of government"???? I don't know about anyone else but that scares me to death.

@stevenalvarado-doc7334

2 жыл бұрын

it used to be that way and people supported the concept. Nowadays not so much.

I thought "Loss of confidence" was PR speak for the senior officer did something that is still being investigated, but warranted being relieved of command after initial investigation. I heard from a friend who retired from the Navy, that calling someone for a ride home is the smart thing to do, even if a superior. Way better than a DU.

@insertname6143

2 жыл бұрын

Correct. Sometimes it's nothing that the CO or officer did themselves but because they are ultimately responsible, they loss that position.

@neuropilot7310

2 жыл бұрын

@@insertname6143 Exactly. An ANG Col. in charge of an Air Wing was relieved after a mishap showed that maintenance personnel and officers showed poor judgement. A Class A mishap caused by a mistake at depot, compounded by stupidly poor judgement by various personnel, and officers outside the chain of command attempting to advise them to either ground the aircraft, or swap the entire engine with a properly tested one. The result was a single engine F-16 lost had a major engine malfunction on takeoff, lost power and the pilot ejected safely. Jet was destroyed. The pilot was cleared to return to flight status, but the Col. was relieved because he was responsible for the operational tempo and priorities that ultimately led to the loss of an F-16.

I'd be curious to see if they have any political leanings in common, or perhaps opposite the current powers that be.

All’s well that ends well!!!! Tell that to the people who lost their lives when a drunk sailor drove off the Coronado Bridge killing people who were at a festival in Barrio Park!!! It doesn’t always end well and we need to stop these types of tragedies.

Around 2017, Capt. “G”, was also relived of command for a DUI, so I heard. A place where Fighter Pilots go to end their careers? You know what’s funny, In the “Great Lakes Bulletin”, there’s an article for Sailors to drink responsibly. 1/20/2017. It’s like they want them to drink.

----- Have you done anything on USS Washington?

Lack of recruitment and firing experienced people will quickly lead to depletion of the military. Punishment and education would be a better way of dealing with this. Everyone make mistakes and they should be corrected and give a chance to make it right. War fighters not boy scouts big difference.

@thereaction18

2 жыл бұрын

Democrats have been trying to destroy America since Karl Marx was in diapers. Why would you be surprised? This happens every time they are in charge.

DUI should cuase immediate separation. It shouldn't impact pensions or retirement though unless repeat offense.

From the time I was on the navy back in the 80's most of the fleet sailors had a loss of confidence in the navy dept to lead them into the next decade they navy dept is so out of touch with the current navy and it's personnel

@brianvickery4071

2 жыл бұрын

Not Mil, but could it be more than just Navy, and that Pentagon/Leaders are more akin to being Politicians than actually Soliders/Marines/Airmen?

@sergeantrandomusmc

2 жыл бұрын

@@brianvickery4071 that’s absolutely true. The military is so political these days it really should terrify all the civilians in this nation.

NJP, Captains Mast or Admirals Mast them like they do sometimes for the enlisted

When being herded towards retirement... retire... telling someone that the Affirmative Action Memo posted on the bulletin board contradicts the Equal Opportunity Memo posted beside it is a damning example of "Wrong Think" and evidence of not being a team player... smh

How about using the old fashioned "scuttlebutt". I always used to be able to get info from HMs on any base. edit: fixed some typos

Maybe but I think the fix is in from the Joint Chefs of Staff.

Retired CPO here. Usually messing around with female subordinates is the story. I always said to my sailors, no friggin in the riggin.

This has been the "traditional" approach Enlisted gets hung from the yardarms while the Officer gets a letter of reprimand.

I think they’re actually up to 10 or 12 let go at this point (that may or may not count marine corps officers as well)

"Loss of Confidence" AKA: The Generals/Admirals can't count on these Officers to make their shit smell good, and the DOD/Pentagon/President is asking questions about OUR performance and we want our next shiny pin!

Can assure fair treatment by removal of one paragraph from Manual of Courts Martial. Remove the para allowing retirement in lieu of court martial.

00-04 when deployed a fellow enlisted stole a civilian boat, ran it aground, hopped over a fence and fell asleep in a shed all while drunk, got caught served time and got a bad conduct discharge and sent home within days of time served. HTC goes out gets into a fight with officers and lower enlisted while drunk injured an enlisted member. MPs where called he physically fought with them, HTC got 1/2 pay for 3 months and 180 days restricted to the ship, that's it. Khakis, stars and bars function under a different set of rules then the rest. From PT scores to discipline, I've seen chiefs that look like tweedel dee and tweedal dum and know those guys couldnt past the run part of PT of their life depended on it let alone most of the PT its self. Don't get me wrong there are those that do well to keep up with what's expected but we all know there's at least one guy we can look and question if they could actually pass a PT test or if they really have the capacity to be an effective leader. Some shammers do slip through the cracks and make it to the top. Khakis, stars and bars are a special breed.

in my last year, active duty; MP 95B Fort Lee VA, 1993 we had a QM Lt Col O-5 get arrested for DWI 🗂 by a small PD off post. the Army JAG & Provost Marshal lied about it & covered it up. 😏

This is not uncommon even in the "old" days. I knew a full bird Colonel who was relieved from his command of Lindsey Air Base around 1989 - 1990. He had attended a Unit Christmas Ball on Wiesbaden Air Base and as he was leaving they stopped him at the front gate and charged him with DUI. He lost his command. I don't think he lost his rank, but that was the end of his career.

Unfortunate that we can hold this standards to our politicians.

This is commonly called a "nothingburger". Not only is there no meat, there isn't a top or bottom bun either.

He wanted a liter of jack and cola.

the military invented the term 'catch 22'.

There should be a bright-line standard. If an E-4 gets a DUI, he/she gets flagged on re-enlistment. If they got DUIs, buh-bye.

By "fired" do you mean court marshaled and kicked out of the Navy or do you mean just relieved of command?

The Navy Times ran a story about Lesaca being arrested for a DUI last week. I dont think you know what "Cover-up" means.

bro really talked about my CO lmfaooo

It’s disgusting how big navy treats its people. From sailors to seals its all the same to them but ohh boy when it comes to top brass its all hush hush

@michaelmassino6344

2 жыл бұрын

SEALS

They will have to retire since in the case of the officers the chances for further promotion now are nil. None will see promotion to Navy Captain (O6) and will remain at Commander level (O5).

Ad a Retired QM1 (SW) I fully agree that the Navy should be 100% transparent with any officer that is relieved of their commands. The reason should be known publicly, I would not be surprised if these same people were responsible for ending or changing the careers of many sailors. They should also lose their retirement benefits. They are, after all supposed to set the example to all people serving under their commands.

@Saanonymous80

2 жыл бұрын

I feel only if it involves criminal charges or arrest, or an actual discharge then absolutely. If only for relief from command, then leave it up to the individual whether or not it's public information.

@tjack1966

2 жыл бұрын

You did 20+ as a fleet QM and only retired as a 1st class? Oh boy have you got some stories.

When I was in bootcamp not long ago rumor was captain Sandin had 2 dui’s

1 dui should hurt your career, but it shouldn't end it.

As a Navy vet and with two sons in right now, I know some things don't change, the good old boys club. Evals should be strictly based on a persons performance in the time covered by the eval. This is not happening and hasn't for a long time Navy wide. Some suckup sucks his way into the good will of his lpo or chief and boom 4.0 sailor that doesn't do his job or know how to do his job. Also, what is good for enlisted is good for officers. I respect the rank but the man wearing that rank has to earn my respect. Equal discipline for all ranks. They, officers, are not any better than the enlisted men who do the actual work that makes them look good or bad. Enlisted generally follow what they see the officers doing. I don't believe they should loose their retirement benefits unless said money is used to pay fines and damages. but that is me.

For the CO with the DUI, it's entirely likely Admiral's Mast is in his future. I've been out for awhile, so I'm not sure if the potential punishments still apply, but one result was forfeiture of up to half month's pay x 2 months.

Meanwhile in the SeaBees: "First time?"

In the Army a SGM E-9 was having an affairs with enlisted subordinate and just demote to E-8 and send to prison.. a I guess he got the chance to retired witch I think Is wrong. This happened at Fort Hood, Texas…

Zero tolerance only applies to E6 and below

Every member of the military needs to understand they are living under a microscope, and the country is watching. The days of liquid lunch were over in 1982.