Great video, thank you so much! Looks like torpedo has no resonance peak and less hi-end slope. But I tried matched your samples with FabFilter EQ. Torpedo should have +5dB boost around 11kHz with Q = 1.25 and +4 dB boost on 90Hz with Q = 10 Have no idea if it can help in feel but the listening experience becomes much closer. Actually, there is a benefit - you can choose note for low-end resonance according to your riff.

cool playing :)

@MateuszOwczarek

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Man! :)

nice video

Depending on what your needs are, both the Suhr and Captor X are great solutions. For live use though, the Captor X out weights the Suhr by a mile in terms of useful features. As far as the difference in sound goes, Over a loud PA, and in a live mix, the extra low and high end information that the Suhr has won't really matter. The sound guy will likely low and high pass that anyways.

Dude, your channel is great and I wish you much success. What interface and DAW are you using?

@MateuszOwczarek

3 жыл бұрын

Thank You!! :) I am using RME Babyface and Reaper :)

Actually big difference between Torpedo Captor and Suhr Reactive Load is that first one doesn’t implement full emulation of speaker impedance curve whereas the latter does. Two Notes has chosen to simplify their gear bypassing some important part of impedance replication in low ends, which has a direct impact on dynamic and, mostly, feel. Tone wise one can hear the subtle differences (Captor is stiffer) but the most impressing is the difference of feel when playing...

@MateuszOwczarek

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, difference in feel is substantial :)

Fantastic riff and sound! Suhr sounds better for me. Regards Mati. :)

I honestly couldn’t hear a difference, nice demo though. I have a captor 16 in the toolset, I like the fact it’s attenuated and a load box. For studio use I prefer the ox box but the smaller form factor of the captor and all metal construction make it more portable option for live/jamming. The Suhr sounds nice though, I’ll have to try one once the shops open back up 👍

@MateuszOwczarek

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for comment! :) Yeah, be sure to check it out - the difference in feel is quite something :)

great demo! excellent equipment, excellent playing. what's not to like here?

@MateuszOwczarek

2 жыл бұрын

You can always find something if You try hard enough 😜 but seriously - thank You! 😊

Noice, thanks! Indeed the Captor loses some of that clarity on the top end. One question.. How is the latency when playing with IRs loaded ? Any thoughts on Captor X? Been looking for an attenuator/load box for several weeks now. Baah.. Cheers!

@MateuszOwczarek

3 жыл бұрын

Thank You! Both loadboxes in this video are units without IR capabilities - so latency depends entirely on rest of the chain. Whether it is a plugin in a DAW or some speaker simulation device / standalone IR loader. I've been playing happily through plugins with my RME Babyface interface - at 48khz and 64 samples buffer I've got reported about 5ms of latency. Few days after the test, I've bought Suhr Reactive Load IR - it is just easier and simpler if You don't have to use plugins, or when recording in CPU heavy session :) Reactive Load IR latency is 1,2ms. Also Captor gets REALLY hot after just a few minutes with a 100W Marshall, I would be afraid to use it for more than 15 minutes. Suhr runs much cooler, have quiet fan, and I think its response and overall feel is a lot better. I don't care about Captor X specific functions - double tracking sim, reverb, bluetooth etc... In terms of loadbox quality - Suhr wins for me :)

@RiffLair

3 жыл бұрын

Hey. Thank you for the reply. Heard this before that Suhr sounds better than the Captor. My biggest issue with it is that it is not an attenuator, in case I want to jam or rec with a mic. 🤔

@MateuszOwczarek

3 жыл бұрын

@@RiffLair You can use Suhr parallel with real cab and drop volume by 3db - but yeah, it is not attenuator :)

Man I was skeptical, but the Suhr sounds a lot better compared the Torpedo! More depth and dimension to the sound.

Suhr seems to open up a little more in the trebles. Maybe you could dial some of this in with the "exciter" stage in Captor-X. Have you tried this? And thanks that you mentioned the fan noise thing on the Captor-X. I hate noisy fans... The fan in the Suhr is running permanently or just when the unit is getting hot? Very good playing and sound quality! Thanks a lot!

@MateuszOwczarek

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks You! I had regular Captor - not Captor X - so I can't say anything about exciter or any other captor x specific setting. In both units fan is running if the sound is coming from the amp, when You are not playing - fan is not moving. The louder the sound - the faster fan. Louder mean higher master volume on amp, or just "bigger" sound - for example chunky palmmuted stuff generates more loud low frequencies, so fan instantly spins faster than during single note runs high on the fretboard :)

@tremolux6315

3 жыл бұрын

@@MateuszOwczarek thanks for the clarification. I ordered a Suhr reactive load (no IR ) meanwhile. Seems to be the only small load box that comes with a speaker like impedance curve. The IR's I will apply separate (Two notes WallOfSound) Since things changing so quick in the digital realm...I prefer to have the load box and the IR Software not in one unit.

@MateuszOwczarek

3 жыл бұрын

​@@tremolux6315 I'm sure You will like it! :)

The Suhr sounds a little more compressed which I think I like

Cieszc od Kanady man ! Your quick video with big loud amps into captor X sounded killer for riffs and solos - I'm considering the captor X to mess with other speakers, cabs like you while be able to consistently and quietly play my 20-50-100w amp heads at home - the price is too good on these with too many awesome features IMO to skip buying an expensive attenuator; and skip the suhr I will try this unit first, but I've never used this before - I'm coming from using "real" cabs so I have some questions how you got on with it at first and now after using it for a while! Please read bellow whenever you have time! 🤟🏻🙏 *** * I am curious how you like your simple - quick jamming setup like this to provide the sound for your marshall and other heads does this captor X still rock ?? I'm like you Mainly interested in late 70s 80s rock / hard rock - all out metal chugging hides dynamics and clean fendery stuff sounds close enough but I want to know if it can really deliver for rock and hard rock like this where there's less gain to hide behind does the captor X still sound great ? Or do the speaker emulations have a kind of fizz or latency to them ? ^ * I appreciate any tips and observations as a newbie who is finally considering getting a captor for the silent recording and silent playing at home practicing since currently; my 2x12 cab and 50, 100w heads are too loud in my new townhouse and I will need a way to play quiet but keep my tube heads and everyone loves the captor X for this right ? ^ * Also buying real speakers gets pricey quick - two v30s and say g12 65 green backs cost as much as a 2 notes captor X unit ! But if you get the captor X all of a sudden you can use any 2x12 or Any 4x12 at home with quiet reasonable volumes and not to mention emulations of " rare " and vintage overpriced speakers as well . * Even if it is a digital speaker copy; I will NEVER be able to play or buy cabs and speakers like say a 4x12 cab full of vintage 70s black backs or scumbacks which are excellent but very expensive especially for of them - I'm not rich and don't have the space and volume to be able to play one of those anyways ! So now, with the captor x I finally could ! A big advantage of these digital cab Sims that replace your amps speakers I'd say : But * Do you still enjoy all of your fave 4x12 emulations for hard rock and find it easier to attenuate the amps now with the captor X at home, apart ment or townhouse uses ? ^ * Hard rock is mostly what I live in Early EVH, george lynch , Warren demartini, steve stevens and other 80s stuff not necessarily "modern metal" or the very clean fendery type playing you and Tony Martinez are the only straight forward KZread videos I can find doing a demo like this instead of mostly modern metal * * Lastly, in your honest opinion for a newbie like me looking at making my tube amp heads half digital" by using these cab / speakers Sims with Two notes captor X; * How STEEP is the learning curve ? * All I need to get started is the captor + 2 powered speaker monitors + an interface and my laptop or iPad that's it correct ? * Not much else but specific mic and speaker cables right ? * Will it take all day to dial in a speaker sim ? Some sound amazing, like Phil x George lynch , steve stevens and Peter thorn who all have amazing demos but especially on Pete's and Steve's I see a full screen of eq settings dragging and dropping mics, adjusting the eq settings on the virtual speaker cabs etc it all looks very dizzying and intimidating for someone who's never done this - * Was it fairly easy and friendly to get the hang of ? Do you think it takes atleast a day or 2 to get a proper handle on ? * It comes with presets right out of the box, we're those stock 4x12s on the captor any good or they needed ampt of tweaking and EQ ' ingredients in the 2 notes studio on your laptop or iPad? * ^ * That's the main stuff I d love to know.. * too many videos use this in very elaborate setups, when I would like the least hassle free plug - and play method as possible - so I can spend less time dialing, and the most time just playing the tube amps that I couldn't play quietly for a long time without the Captor X ! ^ * Thanks in advance for your time, and any advice mate, Lmk what you think whenever ! Cheers from Niagara Canada 🤟🏻🙏

@MateuszOwczarek

2 жыл бұрын

Hey man! Thanks for comment! :) Unfortunately I have never tried Captor X - only regular Captor - so I can't answer most of Your questions :) If You want to try how it works You can buy regular Captor and run it through a wall of sound plugin - it should sound and behave roughly the same as Captor X, at the cost of little additional latency, but it is much cheaper.

Hi there! Man, your video sounds killer - but let me get this straight: Did you just crank up the Superlead to get this tone? I use a Marshall JMP as well and I think about getting the Suhr Reactive Load. It can handle amps up to 100 watts but these old Marshalls are known to produce more than a 100 watts. So aren't you afraid to damage your gear?

@MateuszOwczarek

Жыл бұрын

Hello! Yes, it was just a Marshall, without any pedals. Suhr is known for handling waaay more than 100W, lot of folks are using it with cranked plexi all the time, and I haven't seen any horror stories :) I wouldn't trust captor with that though - it was really hot after few minutes of playing :) Cheers!

@Guitarjosii

Жыл бұрын

@@MateuszOwczarek That really helps! Thank you so much!! ☺️☺️

Wow the Suhr Sounded so much brighter, Does it have the same Noisy AF fan that the captor does?

@MateuszOwczarek

3 жыл бұрын

Noo, Suhr is much quieter :)

Excellent video! Quite frankly, though, even with studio headphones on, I couldn't really tell the difference. Was there a difference in feel?

@MateuszOwczarek

3 жыл бұрын

Thank You! There is noticeable difference in lo- and hi-end of the spectrum, especially in the hi-end - Suhr brings out nice Marshall sizzle I love :) When it comes to feel there is even bigger difference - but of course it is impossible to put it in the video :) I prefer Suhr by a huge margin. Also two more important things - fan in the Suhr is really quiet in comparison to almost jetlike Torpedo. And Torpedo with a Marshall gets REALLY hot - old superleads are more than advertised 100W, and I would be scared to use Captor with it for more than 20minutes ;)

@srinip

3 жыл бұрын

@@MateuszOwczarek Very interesting. I honestly couldn't pick up on the missing lows and highs (happens when you get to be my age!), but the feel thing makes a big difference. I used to have a Suhr a few years ago and sold it because I was tearing down my studio at the time, and the Suhr was the only game in town then. I absolutely loved it, but I figured things have changed since then. Suhr somehow builds stuff that ages well, I suppose. The other product I'm considering now is the Fractal X-Load, which is probably in the Suhr quality category. It has the same impedance curve with the low frequency hump that the Captor doesn't - I wonder if that accounts for the feel. Apparently that's a design that calls for a bigger box with more components, and Two Notes made the design decision to use a "bathtub" curve. You can get the Fractal for 300 bucks now, which is cheaper than the Suhr. Hmmm........:) Thanks, though, for a wonderful video and your response.

@MateuszOwczarek

3 жыл бұрын

@@srinip Yeah, I think this "hump" is deciding factor for overall feel, with it it just feels bouncier and alive. Fractal X-Load have two different curves available - this is great, and I've been hearing only great things about this unit. But unfortunately there is no IR's on board - because of this I finally decided to go with Suhr Reactive Load IR.

@srinip

3 жыл бұрын

@@MateuszOwczarek Good point about the IRs. Luckily, my use case involves the Strymon Iridium as well, in which you can turn off the amp modeling and use only the IR loader, which is in stereo (250 ms per side, which is the longest I've seen). You can set one of the Strymon stereo outputs to a null IR. This way, you can send two signals to the interface - an unfiltered one (null IR) and one with the IR you select, and put them on separate tracks. You monitor the input with the IR so it feels good when you play. Later on, you can experiment with different IRs on the unfiltered track, mix it with the original IR track, or delete the original IR track. Lots of flexibility. I did something similar to this when I was using the Suhr, by using both outputs (balanced and unbalanced), but I had to get a speaker emulator for one of them for monitoring purposes. One added benefit is that the Iridium can be used on other tracks for it's amp modeling as well - really, lots of flexibility! Again, thanks so much for the video and the wonderful discussion.

@MateuszOwczarek

3 жыл бұрын

@@srinip seems like a nice setup! :) For me its similar - IRs in the unit are for monitoring only, later plugins comes into a play ;) Thanks, good luck and take care!

I know I am late to the party. But I have a captor x,ox box, and the fryette V2. Is the suhr much better by a lot, a little or pretty neck and neck? I play mostly metal, bit not all the time. In your opinion is one more suited for different kind of music then the other? Like my OX box is a lot better with pop or country music. Captor x seems to do the heavier stuff a bit better. Great video and dig the playing.

@MateuszOwczarek

2 жыл бұрын

Hi, thanks for comment :) I think it mostly comes to what cabinet each device impedance curve is based on. I'm not sure about Torpedo or OX, but Suhr's curve is based on 412 cab with G12M speakers. So, for example if You're using a fender combo amp, device with more appropriate curve might be better option :) How do You like Fryette? Is it Powerstation PS2?

@jrlee243

2 жыл бұрын

@@MateuszOwczarek ok, I understand now thank you. The power station is really good. For recording it's great, but you have to use a I R loader or something like a cab M. Once you have that figured out it's fine, I use it more than anything else. The best part is you can attenuate a loud amp or make a smaller amp or a pre amp sound like fifty watts. I use it mainly for my syn2, victory kraken, and my KSR pre amp pedals. It uses 2 6L6 power tubes and you can buy rack mount brackets for it. That's what I did. Thank you for clearing that up I appreciate that.

Do you get latency when monitoring in your DAW? I’ve been thinking about the captor X just to monitor direct without latency. Which fan is louder and is it distracting?

@MateuszOwczarek

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, You will always get latency when monitoring through DAW. If You dont want that - Suhr RL IR or Captor X is the way to go :) Captor has way louder fan - but I can only speak for regular one, haven't checked Captor X yet. Cheers!

Do you like the RL IR significantly better than the RL? I'd always be using it going directly into my interface with IRs loaded up in software, so I'm wondering if the RL IR is worth the premium (not taking it out to play live). I've been using a Captor 8 for a while and have felt something is missing (both with Wall of Sound dynirs and 3rd party IRs). Thanks!

@MateuszOwczarek

2 жыл бұрын

I just don't like playing through plugins, even with really low latency - I'm using rme interface - it still bugs me.

@sboistan

2 жыл бұрын

@@MateuszOwczarek Thanks! I'm leaning towards getting the RL IR. The well matched IRs included with the Suhr are just the icing on the cake.

@MateuszOwczarek

2 жыл бұрын

@@sboistan Check out York Audio IRs, they are the best imo :)

@sboistan

Жыл бұрын

@@MateuszOwczarek I have a set of their York captures, the small mesa set and the matchless! I got the RL and generally my IRs sound better through it! (and, not surprisingly, my old Wall of Sound presets for the captor don't sound too great, I think they just need some adjustment). I gotta check out some Ownhammers as well as some of the 4x12 York captures. Thanks.

Qual Cab usou no Torpedo?

Hello Man, thanks for the video i know that suhr has an option and can able to reamping, has captor tht same reapimg option?

@MateuszOwczarek

3 жыл бұрын

Hello! Thanks for comment! :) Not sure what do You mean by reamping? You can't reamp with any of these boxes. You can record "dry" signal - but still it is signal from the amp, just without a cab IR - so You can choose IR later, for example with a plugin in Your daw. Hope that helps :)

@orcunozcan

3 жыл бұрын

@@MateuszOwczarek yes its now clear if i eanna reamping need to use radil reampbox etc... thanks!

Suhr sounds much more open and musical to my ears. Does the Suhr act as proper attenuator though? I have found mixed information. I need to bring my 40 watt tube amp down to bedroom / home studio volumes with as little tone-suck as possible. Can the Suhr accomplish this?

@MateuszOwczarek

6 ай бұрын

Suhr is not an attenuator, it is just a load box, You would need to use some other device

What are you using to load IR's?

@MateuszOwczarek

3 жыл бұрын

Either STL NadIR, or Fractal Audio Cab Lab. NadIR is free and lighter on CPU, Cab Lab have killer "autogain" feature - You can mix up to 8 IR's and overall output volume stays the same - this is very helpful, You can change balance between different IR's and don't be fooled with "louder is better" ;)

Can I run torpedo x into my head with two xlr into frfr?

@MateuszOwczarek

Жыл бұрын

You mean amp -> torpedo -> frfr? Of course :)

The Suhr is based on a greenback and Captor is based on V30

What does "single guitar looped fragment" mean and why does it sound less full than the other sample?