I had a similar reaction, like it's obviously not the worst thing that's ever happened so finding some humor in the memes or whatever felt natural, but then the outpouring of bad takes were really upsetting to read through. It's genuinely scary to think that so many people view violence as a legitimate defense of words.

@aylbdrmadison1051

2 жыл бұрын

I don't twit, so hadn't read any, but someone in the comments said some were comparing it to putin's -war- _mass murder campaign_ in Ukraine, and 9/11. I've been studying trolling and those are the exact types of things they are teaching them to post in putin's troll farms. People need to understand that is where a lot of this division and hate in the U.S. is coming from. Many forget putin was a KGB agent. We are the victims of psychological warfare.

@Poorstargazer23

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with you, and I think that has been the most disappointing tbh. When I heard people defending this it does impact how I see them to some degree. Idk how that will impact me going forward, I mean, "Will I be excited to see that person in a movies?" etc.

@crumbtember

2 жыл бұрын

I think there are circumstances where violence can be justified in response to speech, violence in response to hate speech and intimidation for example. Things being subjective makes everything so complicated though.

@genieglasslamp5028

2 жыл бұрын

@@Poorstargazer23 I know I will be excited to see Will in anything. I respect a black man who stands up for black women.

@Kayla-ly8rm

2 жыл бұрын

Right, I laughed at the memes and then cringed at the genuine defenses of Will

Bottom line for me is that Smith responded to words he didn't like with violence, so I support your position 100%.

@aazhie

2 жыл бұрын

Yup. Shitty joke that no one really would have remembered, OR people would have been roasting Rock for it afterwards. But now it's a huge ding on Will's reputation imo

@aylbdrmadison1051

2 жыл бұрын

@@aazhie : That's such a great point! If he'd just let it go, maybe heckled him, this would all die down really fast. Indeed it likely would never have become a thing at all. But no not only does Will have to go about living this down, even worse his wife will be dealing with the much closer examination of her condition and her marriage for years to come. Indeed it wasn't until long after the slap that I even knew she had alopecia, I just though she looked fashionable out of choice (she is beautiful regardless). But Will sure put the spotlight on her condition now. If I were her, I'd be so pissed at both his lack of thoughtfulness and his immaturity.

@deannawilliams7939

2 жыл бұрын

But y'all won't ever see his joke as violence against bw doe huh? So it's ok to be violent with words?

@rivertam7827

2 жыл бұрын

@@deannawilliams7939 oh spare me. He wasn't threatening her with violence, he was saying she could play a strong empowered woman. Unless we're saying that comparing black women to other strong women is violence now?

@skuggikuwa8989

2 жыл бұрын

@@deannawilliams7939 That's not how to protect black women.

I'd add .. if you're "defending" after the thing happened, it's not "defending", it's retribution. And there would've been a dozen ways, Will could've expressed his anger without violence.

@aylbdrmadison1051

2 жыл бұрын

Brilliantly said !!

@kangbarret

2 жыл бұрын

How do I join the church you preach at?

@wastedinspiration

2 жыл бұрын

So true

@travcollier

2 жыл бұрын

True, but there have been a lot of folks mistaking understanding for "defending" too.

@jasonu3741

2 жыл бұрын

Chris Rock once said "you scream n**** and ill raise interests rates" as a joke on white people complaining they cant say the N word but control society is almost every other way facet. There is some Irony that so many can be gasping and clutching there pearls at that slap, and be blissfully ignorant about the bombing in Yemen, Syria and Somalia. "you get to slap Chris rock, and ill just drop 2 atomic bombs on my enemies" What Will Smit did is becomming some media referendum on black people being violent, and how uncivilized that was... just pay no mind to the fact there is no black face in the Ukraine/Russia conflict, there was no black face in the destruction of Iraq, there was no black face in Palestine. but yes please go on about how Will Smith slap has signified the end of society as we know it.

Twitter reacting insanely to a perfectly sane take how strange and unheard of

@austingoyne3039

2 жыл бұрын

Twitter still being the worst, big surprise

@sauviel6296

2 жыл бұрын

Doesnt surprise us anymore

I think we can sympathize with the hurt that Smith felt without condoning his reaction. People do dumb things over insensitive comments all the time. A mature adult would address without resorting to violence. As you say, it's childish behavior.

@kenshix7902

2 жыл бұрын

The nigga was literally laughing bro

@aazhie

2 жыл бұрын

@@kenshix7902 it really does appear he only had to do something when he realized Jada was pissed. I haven't analyzed the original vid in great detail, however

@aylbdrmadison1051

2 жыл бұрын

In the end all Will did was put the spotlight on her condition even more. Too bad to, because she is really beautiful regardless. And sad that being what a majority of people consider "good looking" is so insanely important in society. That's a pressure no one deserved. We adults in general could learn a lot from our pets, from babies and young children, all of whom often display far more wisdom than human adults often do.

@phil6530

2 жыл бұрын

"I think we can sympathize with the hurt that Smith felt" He was laughing his ass off.

@jamesn3122

2 жыл бұрын

@@phil6530 exactly, I sympathize with the laughter lol

Yeah those Oscars were soooooo Hollywood. Sooo Los Angeles. Nobody does the right thing on principle. Everybody waits to see which way the wind blows. Don’t want to upset any future opportunities by having too much backbone! I lived there 12.5 years and that was *enough.*

@sirtoby4939

2 жыл бұрын

You mean the people who gave Roman Polanski a standing ovation, and handed him an Oscar in absentia, don't have strong morals.

@DingoTheDemon

2 жыл бұрын

I love seeing your comments in this community so often. Hope you're doing well!

@LarsFromNorway

2 жыл бұрын

Side note, I love that Tay now has this whole secondary reputation as just, you know, one of those guys who jumps in the comments section of videos to leave a pretty reasonable take on the topic. It feels like an in-joke for us old-timer KZread viewers, because inevitably some new people are gonna click on his profile not knowing who he is, just thinking "hey this seems like a pretty reasonable guy, I wonder if he has a channel... wait what the FUCK?"

@belkyhernandez8281

2 жыл бұрын

Apparently not so Hollywood because people outside of Hollywood cheered the violence too.

This had more to do with Will Smith protecting his ego than protecting women. It's insane that so many people on the left think that we need to tackle mean jokes with toxic masculinity

@KellyJoule

2 жыл бұрын

This 100% I had to unfollow so many people on Twitter for such Toxic takes.

@paddymcelligott5375

2 жыл бұрын

What does this have to do with left and right? Not everything needs to be politised... Plenty of conservatives try to shut down/censor comedians, along with books, body autonomy etc. There are extremists on both sides who should be ignored. Can people forget about scoring points for their side and just agree violence shouldn't be tolerated or ignored.

@leahsander5490

2 жыл бұрын

@@paddymcelligott5375 It was just shocking for many people that the people advocating consistently against toxic masculinity... were apparently in favor of toxic masculinity, actually. Was weird to me. And I'm not scoring points for my side here, I'm on the political left and its advocates disappointed me here.

@paddymcelligott5375

2 жыл бұрын

@@leahsander5490 that's fair. I agree, it was shocking to see but I was mostly intrigued and disturbed by more than a few people saying Smith was justified. Think it shifted pretty quickly though, after a day or so most of what I saw was supporting Rock. Not sure if that shift was from time to consider or going along with the crowd or just my social media showing me what I wanted to see...

@sirtoby4939

2 жыл бұрын

All of this. This was just Smith trying to compensate for his wife not respecting him.

Agreed 100%. You start swinging at anyone and you're rolling the dice that you'll end up dead or in jail. Playing those odds over modestly hurt feelings is insane. Normalizing Will Smith's violent kind of reaction is an extremely bad idea.

@aazhie

2 жыл бұрын

Only he, a giant rich celebrity, could do that. How many other black men could "get away" with assaulting someone, even if it was recieved with the same reaction that Rock had? Chris was professional to not make it a big deal. So many other people who look like Will could have just been killed or arrested for the same behavior just for not being rich and famous.

@sydandtaytum

2 жыл бұрын

YES. especially in our political climate where we constantly fear violence breaking out with these right wingers.

@privateemail9755

2 жыл бұрын

I bet he's trying to get out of his contracts with China without battling the country. If he gets China to drop him, he may be "free". That, or it's scripted AF.

@Dell-ol6hb

2 жыл бұрын

he did it bc he knew he could get away with obviously he knew that Chris Rock isn't going to hit him back at the fucking Oscars and that he's too big of a celebrity to face any reprecussions

@seanmatthewking

Жыл бұрын

@@aazhie While obviously a random person couldn't stroll onto stage and slap Chris Rock without going to jail. And for good reason. If you allow people to get away with that celebrities would be in constant danger. When a celebrity hits another celebrity its more like a cousin slapping you at a party. Obviously you're not calling the police on that person.

This quote seems relevant: _"You know what they say, 'There’s no reason to ever hit a woman.' Sh!t! There’s a reason to hit everybody. You just don’t do it."_ --Chris Rock, _Bring The Pain_ (1996)

Exactly this. It seriously stresses me out that there are feminists arguing that the role of men in society is to protect women with violence. As someone who has been hit by the men who were supposed to be protecting me, if I were in Jada's place, this would not make me feel safe. It would make me aware that the anger response of my partner includes violence. Edit: I'm safe now! All of this discourse just stirred up memories of being around people with hair-trigger tempers and how unsafe I felt when they were angry, even when that anger wasn't directed at me.

@punkybrewstar83

2 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry that you went through that 😔. This is a photo of my head after I was struck by a sledgehammer. DV is done by violent, controlling men. People that use violence as a first response NEVER MAKE GOOD PARTNERS. I think that the joke was terrible and I'm not taking excuses, because Chris did read the joke, and they do have history. BUT... Will Smith could have used his words. Hitting people is illegal for a reason. This isn't even about race... it is about status. A heckler was arrested at Chris Rock's show days later, and he didn't physically assault anybody.

@user-ge3wm8ot8q

2 жыл бұрын

I completely agree with all of this, and I hope you’re in a much safer place now.

@cebbi1313

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely! Exactly my feeling, no notes

@jones1618

2 жыл бұрын

Best case: Rock didn't know about Jada's Alopecia. Then, the joke was a completely innocuous reference (not even an insult in any way) to a hair style that many women, black or otherwise, choose to wear as a fashion statement. Worst case: He knew about her condition in which case this was _still_ a non-insult but possibly insensitive. Imagine if a star had shown up in a cast and Rock had made a movie reference about that. Would anyone have thought he was picking on the vulnerable or just making light of something obvious to anyone in the room? Lastly, if Ricky Gervais took a slap for every deep burn he delivered he'd have no face left. By comparison, Chris Rock's gentle poke of Jada was nothing.

@genieglasslamp5028

2 жыл бұрын

@@jones1618 Except he did know about it. Was asked in the past by both wil and Jada to not say anything about it. And Chris has a history of making comments about her. Chris knew exactly what he was doing when he said that. He got what he deserved.

I kept thinking, had a "seat filler" gone on stage and slapped Chris in the face, this wouldve ended very differently. This shouldn't even be a discussion. Assault is not ok! And i dont understand why so many people are defending it

@aylbdrmadison1051

2 жыл бұрын

We are being radicalized both from within our country, and from without. In particular putins troll farms have been attempting to brainwash and divide the U.S. for decades now in hopes of creating a civil war. Knowing they have no chance of defeating the U.S. otherwise. Someone said there were commenters comparing Will's slap to putins -invasion- _mass murder campaign_ in Ukraine, and also to 9/11. These are exactly the type of comments people who work in troll farms are taught post.

@sometime.somewhere

2 жыл бұрын

That was exactly my line of thinking except I was thinking more if a protester had come and interrypted causing the same amount of disturbance as will did or much less, they would have shut that down very quick. He was untouchable in that moment because of his status, and in the background behind the scenes the staff were assessing his celebrity too much in the proceedings reharding how to handle it. otherwise they would have sent staff to escort him out. I also thought did will not have any so called friends in that room? What if chris had a come back that was offensive?

@genieglasslamp5028

2 жыл бұрын

Because black women are really tired of everyone constantly exhibiting misogynoir towards them. Its really nice to see a black man defending his wife. And in my experience its mostly white people losing their minds over this.

I agree with you. You don’t get to do what will did. And if we are moving towards that behavior being okay, this nation is in trouble.

@Gairuntee

2 жыл бұрын

You are right. This is an empire in decline and the cracks are starting to show to very publicly.

@Cwestlov

2 жыл бұрын

You should try taking an American elementary school social studies class

@aazhie

2 жыл бұрын

@@Cwestlov you took Social Studies in elementary school in the USA?? How rich and prestigious is your family?

@Cwestlov

2 жыл бұрын

@@aazhie rich enough to reach the 4th grade in a public school, how bougie of me

@aylbdrmadison1051

2 жыл бұрын

@@aazhie : Cwestlov is definitely one of putins paid trolls (they are paid per reply, so please don't reply directly so they don't get paid to troll us). No social studies class teaches people that violence is okay behavior in response to mere words. The absurdity of Cwestlov's comment lays bare that it is just another part of KGB mass brainwashing tactics: _you will believe it is truth because we keep telling you that is what the truth is._

This was 100% toxic masculinity. And it is worrying for me because any man who will assault another man "for your honor because that is what men do," will also tell you, or in this case, me as a woman, where my place should be "as a woman." That rigid, sexist, backward style of thinking goes both ways. It's not, "This is what men do but women can do anything they want." No. It's, "This what men do and this is what women do." I don't want to be put in that sort of box.

@mekkio77

2 жыл бұрын

@Cassandra Tafoya Exactly. Never mind that I thought she looked fantastic with that style. This whole thing just further pushes the beauty standard that you, as a woman, must have long, flowing hair in order to be considered "beautiful." If Smith had let it slide, no one would have said anything else on the matter because, wow, another joke about a woman having short hair. That's new......hah. hah. zzzzzzz. But because Smith over reacted, it just dug up that yeah, Jada has short hair. There must something "wrong" with that look. That's not "feminine" enough. I bet before the whole blowup, Jada thought she looked like a million bucks. Now everyone is focusing on her and acting she is extremely sick, like she has cancer. How humiliating.

@genieglasslamp5028

2 жыл бұрын

@@mekkio77 What's actually humiliating is that once again a black women had to endure misogynoir in front of a crowd of millions. Chris knew about her condition, was asked in the past to not speak about it by both will and Jada, and still did it anyway when he had no business even commenting on her. Chris has a history of coming for her, this was just the final straw that broke the camels back. Maybe now he'll think before opening his stupid mouth.

@neuralmute

2 жыл бұрын

@@mekkio77 Seriously! I thought that Jada looked stunning, and she pulls of the very short cut beautifully. Not many women have the bone structure or courage to work that look like she did, and she looked great. That green dress, too!

@mekkio77

2 жыл бұрын

@@FamouSly78 Smith is a grown man. Jada could have given him the most dirty look on the planet and it shouldn't have mattered. Because he could have ignored it and dealt with the consequences with Jada privately. But at the end of the day, he decided that he was going to smack Rock instead. That was his hand and his action. He needs to take responsibility for his own actions.

@Beelzeboogie

2 жыл бұрын

@@FamouSly78 Women indeed can encourage and support toxic masculinity, but as soon as you throw hands, you are responsible.

I have been assaulted at my fast food job by a customer for not having straws available in the lobby during covid. That experience has definitely influenced my opinion of: hitting people is not ok. People will justify literally violent behaviour with whatever they wish to spin. Its never okay.

@egyptianqueen4007

10 ай бұрын

I'm sorry that happened to you. Did you file assault charges against that customer?

It’s because people on social media take everything to the most extreme interpretation possible. I personally know someone who defended Will Smith with the following logic: Alopecia is a disability->A joke about a disability is ablelist->Nazis are ablelist->Therefore, Chris Rock is a literal Nazi->It’s okay to punch Nazis. Then she criticized everyone who disagreed as not listening to Black voices, ablelist, racist, and sexist. Also, she’s white, so by her own logic, if we should to listen to Black voices, why should I take her white opinion seriously? I totally agree with what you said. It’s ashame Will Smith couldn’t use his very prominent platform to defend his wife without resorting to violence during his acceptance speech and after. Then we would’ve all been talking about what a great guy he is and what an insensitive joke Chris Rock made.

@xKumei

2 жыл бұрын

You know who else was white? Nazis.

@badpersephone

2 жыл бұрын

That was a bad take on who ever jumped to Nazi’s. But as a person who has several autoimmune disease that cause disabilities in my life I would really like a little more nuance around the conversation. Yes it was a joke but it was a lazy, hacky joke. I would love a bit less ‘it was just a joke, get over it’ and some discussion about how sometimes jokes cause harm. I don't condone hitting people its not a productive way to handle situations. But the number of people ready to handwave this joke is really symptomatic of how society in general feels inconvenienced by illness. It's not nazi level but navigating the world with disabilities is hard. And seeing people you love and respect saying being upset by a joke isn't fun.

@MRGUSTAVOCHICKENFRING

2 жыл бұрын

GI Jane 2! What a heartless thing to say to a woman sitting front row at the Oscars! Nobody expects planned and rehearsed jokes at an awards show! That's never been done before! So hurtful so mean, one time a guy told me "have a nice day" and I was so offended! How dare he say that to me on that day of all days. I really had to surpress the urge to gut check him.

@badpersephone

2 жыл бұрын

@@MRGUSTAVOCHICKENFRING congratulations on completely ignoring any nuance the situation may have. You certainly elevated the conversation

@smacain

2 жыл бұрын

@@badpersephone It would be nice if we didn’t dismiss it as “just a joke”, although it is unclear if Rock knew she had alopecia and, regardless, probably just not a good idea all around to joke about a Black woman’s hair, because they get so much harassment about it as is. As a person with epilepsy, I can’t tell you how many people have made jokes comparing bad dancing to a seizure. Personally, I don’t take it that hard, I just inform them that I have epilepsy. With few exceptions, I don’t think these jokes are made with malicious intent. I think just explaining that this can hurt people’s feelings is probably what’s needed, rather than accusatory rants on social media or worse. When I was a kid, people constantly used the R word and “gay” to describe things they don’t like. People got pushback for it (that didn’t involve calling people names or violence) and now I almost never hear people use those words in that way anymore.

If Will Smith had done nothing in the moment, then odds are the joke would have been forgotten about before the end of the show. Instead he acted as he did and we're still seeing fresh memes a week later. All he had to do was find a quiet moment to ask Chris Rock to apologise to Jada Pinkett Smith and the world at large would have kept spinning on none the wiser. Instead he's made the moment and the joke so incredibly notorious. I feel like his attempt to stick up for his wife have just backfired so spectacularly because this incident is infinitely bigger than it needed to be

@Canoby

2 жыл бұрын

I can see that, or perhaps if Smith had decided to discuss this with Rock instead of introducing him to his backhand, we could be having a discussion on just why these jokes on people's appearance can be rather lame. I do agree though, it was a pretty meh, forgettable joke in and of itself.

@genieglasslamp5028

2 жыл бұрын

And once again a black women would have to sit through misognoir in front of a crowd of millions again.

@johannvongenerico9487

2 жыл бұрын

@@genieglasslamp5028 that's a fair point, so perhaps a quiet apology isn't the right solution. Smith should have called him out, that way the story is "Chris Rock gets called out and apologises to Jada Pinkett Smith for poor taste joke" instead of "Will Smith smacks Chris Rock in the face". The actual events still leave Jada sidelined

@neuralmute

2 жыл бұрын

@@genieglasslamp5028 Good point. So why didn't *SHE* call him out on it, rather than allowing her husband to go off on some stupid macho defense of her "honour" straight out of the old south? It still makes no sense to me.

@austingoyne3039

2 жыл бұрын

@@genieglasslamp5028 then address it publicly without violence. The way it happened didn’t help anybody.

@T1J : I said it in the chat, but in case you missed it, you're 100% correct. If it's okay for Will Smith to slap someone for making a joke, just imagine how much everyone else, including white supremacists are going to behave. I assert that if Will doesn't come out and say he was wrong (maybe he has, idk) that the blow-back from this could lead to more loss of life for marginalized groups in particular. We need solidarity against violence, not excuses for it.

@aazhie

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree. I think Will quit some movie organization, and I think he technically apologized. But still, never should have happened...

@Cwestlov

2 жыл бұрын

Will Smith: Empowering White Supremacists One Slap At A Time

@travcollier

2 жыл бұрын

@@aazhie He didn't just "technically apologize". He really apologized Rock was also joking about it just after the Oscars. Smith was clearly in the wrong, but letting it slide is not condoning what he did. Folks screw up

@Poorstargazer23

2 жыл бұрын

100% I think what some people who are defending Will don't realize is that if you condone do this action as reasonable you condone violence against words as being reasonable in general and you don't get to control who also uses that as an excuse to use violence as fair exchange against words they don't like. It sounds juvenile to have to say this, but that's why assaulting someone is against the law in general. We as individuals do not get to play judge/jury/executioner every time we have a disagreement with someone 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♂️

@camelopardalis84

2 жыл бұрын

@@travcollier Are you talking about the apology when he received his Academy Award? Because that apology wasn't addressed at Chris Rock.

I completely understand what you mean about how much more distressing it is seeing upsetting things coming from people you care about. That's exactly why I got off Facebook last year. People I like or love where spouting off misinformation, bad takes, and outright malice. It's one thing to see some rando on the net saying that stuff. But seeing your friends and family do it is heartbreaking. Especially when you know they wouldn't say that sort of thing to your face.

"You can't just hit people when they say something you don't like" That this is a hot take is pretty mental. I saw a lot of people defending Smith, like, IRL. Was definitely a case of "am I taking crazy pills".

@Nefariousbig

Жыл бұрын

That "you can't just say whatever you like" is a hot take is mental. Chris getting incredibly performatively slapped for his lazy joke is not the mark of societal decay or a thirst for violence. Nor is people acting unphased or not wanting to crucify Smith for it. Nobody wants a repeat of it but the fact it happened once, and the way it happened, is like the smallest deal in the history of deals. The dramaticisation of the discourse is actively annoying, just shows how obsessed with the most surface level shit people are.

@ACDBunnie

Жыл бұрын

When I found out the hard way that there are people just walking around like normal who don't follow that rule, I was pretty mind f***** And not just over serious stuff. Basically just don't say "no" to strangers because some people interpret refusal on the same level as insulting their mother

"You can't assault someone just because they said something" summed it up. Thanks for voicing your feelings.

Part of what made me uncomfortable was the sheer number of people who felt they should present a take at all. Really clear example of the phenomenon of Twitter seeming to make people feel like they’re required to have (and present) a stance on everything ever, as if all issues in the world are a matter of one side versus the other and everyone must choose which they’re on.

@seanmatthewking

Жыл бұрын

It's really not that weird. People have always been like this, it's just in the past, it was exclusively done offline. Now a lot of it has seeped online. I mean, here you are, online, feeling like you should present a take about the phenomenon of people presenting takes on everything online. And here I am giving a take about your take. And over Christmas I heard all my brother's takes on everything. Sure it's weird when the whole world seems to be talking about 1 relatively minor event, and everyone gets so entrenched in their stance that they hurl insults at those wo disagree. But I think the issue there is how people argue online.

Your take on Twitter was refreshing. I thought I was in the twilight zone. Not sure when it became acceptable to assault a peer at a formal professional event. I too felt like I was out of step with people on SM. I also didn't think the joke was meant to be malicious. People's ethics shift based on who they like most in any situation.

@QTpatootie95

2 жыл бұрын

yup you nailed it with the last line :( so scary

@terracerios5924

2 жыл бұрын

You summed up thoughts I couldn’t put together so well in that last line. So true and so sad.

@nyshyn307

2 жыл бұрын

100%, this T1J video alone helps relax me from all the notifications I got contradicting it

@aff77141

2 жыл бұрын

Honest to god think most of it is because he was on Fresh Prince, and people imprinted nostalgia on him so they're willing to make any excuse, much like the reason so many people still root for folks like Cosby (albeit that's a much more extreme example)

@hoagielamp6543

Жыл бұрын

It's even worse now, after Chris' dogshit take regarding hosting the oscars again there's lots of PoC blaming white people for making Will Smith out to be the bad guy. As if it's a racial thing.

I do think people need to rethink roast-style humor a little. My son picked it up from watching Nickelodeon sitcoms. Even kids shows rely on laughs from one person mocking another. I'm not saying those jokes can never be told, but they are ubiquitous, cheap, and more harmful than funny most of the time. Can't we evolve our humor a little bit?

@collyflower6623

2 жыл бұрын

This is a great point. I saw a comment on a video about iCarly saying the same thing - that most of the humor was fundamentally mean-spirited. Even as someone who didn't watch TV growing up, I still absorbed that humor from people who did

I appreciate this take. Altho, maybe because of where I'm from and my gender, I am actually not surprised at the many people on Will Smith's "side." I think many people (myself included) have been in situations where we were bullied or harassed, and genuinely could do nothing about it. And then fantasize about getting revenge-- either violent revenge or just a really cutting/funny thing to say in the moment. The fantasy is about being able to make someone STOP. Like, not do that again. For a lot of women I know, part of the fantasy is a man standing up for you in an old school/chivalrous way. Critiquing someone after the fact doesn't make them stop. I think a lot of people projected their own fantasies onto that moment, without really considering the difference. It's normal to fantasize, it's not normal to act on it. I remember a quote from an Ursula K LeGuin story: "how you play changes what you win." In this case, it means if you want to make bullying or harassment socially unacceptable, because you want a kinder or more harmonious community, how you deal with unkindness matters. If you meet the verbal bullying with physical violence, you may win the fight. You may get a more "peaceful" society. But that peace is predicated on the threat of violence, which can only be exercised by physically strong people. So ultimately, it is a peace for the strongest, and subjugation for the weakest This is not peace for women. But I believe many women (I am thinking of Trisha Patyas comment specifically) have devalued their own strengths. They think physical strength and violent force is a given, and so the best option is to connect with a man who can protect you. In contrast, if you win the "culture war" by making persuasive arguments, you can cultivate a peaceful community, where peace is predicated on mutual understanding and empathy. As well as social protections against those who lack empathy, so the damage they can inflict is limited. For LeGuin, non-violence (active peacemaking) and feminism go together. Also: I'm not sure that Jada feels like Smith defended her honor. She was not gushing and fawning all over him after the fact. She just wants to move on. I think that's telling. What does Jada want? It's just not protecting Black women if the woman in question doesn't want that kind of "protection."

@aazhie

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with you, and you say it much better than I can communicate :) LeGuin has such wonderful world building with nonviolence

@imjulesgabriel

2 жыл бұрын

Yup!

@terracerios5924

2 жыл бұрын

So beautifully said!

@timmy841212

2 жыл бұрын

Will does too much. He embarrassed himself AND Jada.

@genieglasslamp5028

2 жыл бұрын

This bullshit can only come from a white women who knows Jack shit about black history. 🤣🤣🤣 Before talking about this stuff maybe look into the history of black people in this country. Hint: the reason we aren't slaves anymore is because we used to free ourselves.

Although I understand an overreaction from someone joking about your wife's health condition, especially one she may be sensitive about, I think to say he's "right" to do so isn't a good take. I DEFINITELY don't think that some of what some detractors say are good takes, the extent that Will should have faced was being politely escorted out and even then, I think that's a bit excessive. However, I think that Will was wrong and should have apologized in his speech instead of going full Kanye and saying he's God's chosen actor. If he wanted ethical retribution he could have called out the comment in his acceptance speech, or walked up and demanded that Chris apologize or whatever. I def agree with T1J that this wasn't the way to handle it. Personally, I think it's also worth it to address how people use his initial reaction as evidence that "he thought it was funny and she told him to go hit him" and I don't buy that. The joke wasn't funny and was a really out-of-date reference, so he might not have gotten the joke at all at first. Will might've just been laughing from a joke before or laughing politely because he's a fake-asf person. He could've been laughing just because of the atmosphere. Him chuckling right after the joke doesn't mean that he was laughing at that specific joke. For me, it's less of a both-sides thing and more of "That was wrong, but I get it."

I fully support your reaction on this. I can't believe the number of adults who think it's awesome to assault people over words

@blondezeke6640

2 жыл бұрын

I fully agree but Twitter was wild comparing this situation to 9/11 and the Russia invasion, also saying Will could have murdered Chris like wtf lol

@Canoby

2 жыл бұрын

@@blondezeke6640 I have to wonder how much this is blowing up just because people want to discuss something other than Russian soldiers committing war crimes in Ukraine, right on camera.

@dqarqeer8603

2 жыл бұрын

@@blondezeke6640 Well fuck Twitter

@aylbdrmadison1051

2 жыл бұрын

@@blondezeke6640 : Comparing Will's behavior to putins -war- _campaign of mass murder_ in Ukraine and to 9/11 is exactly the type of thing someone in one of putins troll farms would post. People in general (but especially here in the U.S. because we are the biggest target for it) need to remember that there are hundreds of troll farms and many thousands of paid trolls. Troll farm trolls are all paid trolls, and they are paid per each we give them, so it's best to never reply directly to a commenter you think is a troll. It's easy and even more effective to debunk them by replying instead to another commenter or OP and just typing "@[insert name here]." And this is even more important for everyone to know, the reason the U.S. is the biggest target is because putin's regime, along with various other authoritarian governments (

@jeffersonclippership2588

2 жыл бұрын

@@Canoby the invasion has been going for a month now. The internet has a short attention span and so do Americans, in general. People were always gonna move on to the next big thing and it just so happened the slap was it.

Security failed Chris.. how did that even happen? Will could have heckled back without breaking the law and making contact

@TheCommanderFluffy

2 жыл бұрын

Most celebrities probably know that you will probably ruin your career by committing assault on live television. I think that's why it never has happened before.

@DataLal

2 жыл бұрын

I hope the Oscars will have learned their lesson about audience-to-stage security. I have a feeling the security folks didn't even see it happen, or if they did, weren't sure what was happening till it had already happened and then the only thing to do was to censor the broadcast audio when Will began his brief foul-mouthed heckling tirade. I mean, from the joke to the reaction to the slap, it was just seconds.

@tamarabuxton2516

2 жыл бұрын

@@DataLal Chris is cashing in now, and yes.. let's hope they've learned from this 🖖🇨🇦

I agree with you 100 %, we should be aiming to live in a social and non-violent society as functioning adults. We dont live on a school yard. (and even there its not okay)

@genieglasslamp5028

2 жыл бұрын

Sometimes violence is needed and in the hands of marginalize people its one of the best tools they have to be free of oppression. The only people who genuinely believe violence isn't needed are the people who have used violence to get everything they have.

I'm totally with you about comedy. Criticise it, and tell someone if you passionately feel that a joke they've made with you has crossed a line. But don't assault someone or try and ruin a person's careers over that stuff. People I personally know have had takes similar to the ones you're talking about and I was pretty flabbergasted by it tbh. I don't look at Twitter so I wasn't aware they were equally ridiculous, but I could have guessed. Twitter is just the worst 😆

Imagine if Will would have marched up there and whispered in Chris' ear something like "You know she's sensitive about her condition or you owe my wife an apology". I think the fact that he stormed the stage was enough to show how serious he was. Imagine if Will would have loudly booed the joke. He's Will Smith he could have easily turned to the audience and gotten half of them to boo along with him. The news would have gushed over what a stand up guy he is.

@MiotaLee

2 жыл бұрын

In a parallel universe, that could have happened.

@thinBillyBoy

2 жыл бұрын

Hey how you doin lil mama? lemme whisper in your ear

@ladyeowyn42

2 жыл бұрын

Smith was reacting from a place of unhealed trauma. The ability to pause and choose a different action comes with healing. It’s not ok what Smith did and he needs to continue in therapy.

You are Intelligent, eloquent and thoughtful. Thank you. 🙏🏽 I appreciate you.

@shawnmyer2747

2 жыл бұрын

T1J is the man. He has a ton of really thoughtful videos.

@carolinechamberlain5707

2 жыл бұрын

@@shawnmyer2747 it is refreshing! 🙏🏽💜

When I saw the uncut version I got the distinct impression of a person who told a joke he had told before, but it wasn't cool this time and he had no clue why.

In my circle (white, liberal) EVERYONE said Will Smith was wrong and they were all shocked and repulsed by his actions. While I think he was wrong, my overall feeling is that this is being blown wayyyy out of proportion and people are getting hysterical over something that never should have been anything more than a meme. I really hated when people like Jim Carrey said he should have been arrested. Violence is never the answer, but all the pearl-clutching for a slap makes me roll my eyes.

As another progressive/lefty/queer, I am unbelievably relieved to know that I was not the only one who thought they were in the twilight zone episode while reading peoples' takes on this. I'm not sure it's a good look for progressives when they are actively defending the same sort of instant knee-jerk, archaic, honor based form of justice that we are supposed to be overcoming in the first place. Social media activism is actually turning into intense conservatism with an LGBTQ+ friendly face.

@Maerahn

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure this is a specifically 'leftist' ideology though. There's a well-known theory in sociology that it's not a straight line from political 'left' to 'right;' it's more like a circle, like an ourobourus eating its own tail. So you can end up going *so* far, far left that you actually end up on the fringes of the right - and of course vice versa.

@aliam4699

2 жыл бұрын

@@Maerahn The horseshoe theory has also been debunked so many times. It’s reductive and completely misunderstands how political ideologies work.

@a.m.hofmeister725

2 жыл бұрын

@@Maerahn 100% not a horseshoe or a circle. It's a series of scales.

@gregorybrian

2 жыл бұрын

@@Maerahn Yep. The further an ideologue goes into one direction, the more likely they are to believe that democracy should be eliminated if they perceive it standing in the way of their ideals.

@dude9318

2 жыл бұрын

All im going to say it neither political sides are perfect. So obviously both will make mistakes

Omg- someone talking some sense. I don't have a man and never will at this stage, but I am ecstatic that I don't have a man who "sticks up for me" with violence.

It's so bizarre, that there's an increasing trend of people equating speech to violence; and those same people are more outraged by that, than ACTUAL violence..

@ALIENjoy

2 жыл бұрын

Over the last decade or so leftists have (rightly) expanded what we can consider “violence”. The issue is that the average person only sees violence as physical, so it’s more of a semantic thing. I’d wager most people that are fighting about this would actually agree with each other if they could effectively communicate.

@ericpayne4424

2 жыл бұрын

Words can be violent, that’s why the term “verbal abuse” exists. The slap was born out of more than just this one incident, it rode the backs of centuries of anti-black sentiment. Think of a child that is verbally or cyber bullied mercilessly until they kill themselves, being told to do it by their aggressors. You can’t say that’s not violent. You can make an argument that it’s not usually appropriate to respond to violence with more violence, and physical violence is definitely escalated violence above verbal, but my point is that speech can be violence and dismissing it as if it inherently can’t be is foolish.

@aylbdrmadison1051

2 жыл бұрын

Beware of *anyone* excusing violence. Especially when they are excusing violence over an obvious joke. None of the great teachers in the world ever did so, and people generally know it's wrong. But I will tell you who *does* do this: paid trolls from putin's troll farms are taught to do this. You see, putin's main objective for decades now has been to divide and conquer the U.S. from within.

@Val--H

2 жыл бұрын

@@ALIENjoy Most productive comment about this situation that I've seen. The amount of people rounding up "I understand why you could be compelled to hit someone" to advocating violence, and rounding up "it's not a good thing to slap someone" to advocating for bullying is interesting.

@DaDandyman

2 жыл бұрын

@@ericpayne4424 I think verbal violence intersects with physical violence at a point. I'd say that a slap, for example, is much less damaging than a racial slur for example. I don't see a lot of value in distinguishing verbal and physical violence in terms of defining "who is in the right." People should weigh the consequences of the actions on their own in these kinds of situations. "X words were not as bad as Y violent act" is better than "words are never as bad as violence."

The whole ableism angle might have been the strangest to me. I didn't know what alopecia was until this event so I looked it up and...its just premature balding? Thats it? Thats the "autoimmune disease" that makes this ableism? Give me a break.

@chrischickering1959

2 жыл бұрын

if anything she will be facing more people bring up apolecia now because of what Will Smith did.

@9CrystalDragon2

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not defending will Smith just giving information on alopecia. Alopecia is hair loss not premature balding. There are different reasons why alopecia can occur, in this case hers is caused by an autoimmune disease, like how you can lose your hair during cancer treatments. Even little kids can suffer with it and it can affect all hair on the body such as eyebrows not just the head. I agree saying someone is ableist because they made a joke how a person looks like a character from an old film (even if it's because of an autoimmune disease) is a bit of a stretch at the least. I guess Will saw it the same as making a joke who's bald due to cancer treatment, it's insensitive but not worth hitting someone especially when most people would apologise once they explained why it's hurtful.

@9CrystalDragon2

2 жыл бұрын

@Matt Evans I don't know, I just like to give people the chance. Maybe Will new Chris better and knowing his personality that he had good reason to assume he wouldn't but I believe he's apologised now so maybe he would have.

@coppermoth6069

2 жыл бұрын

Comparing all hair loss to cancer is really superficial. Making fun of people with cancer is wrong because they are going through the worst time in their life, and are struggling to survive, and they should be focusing on healing, and enjoying what could be the few remaining moments of their life. Male pattern baldness is a type of alopecia. Women aren’t fragile flowers that need to be protected from the experiences of ordinary men.

@9CrystalDragon2

2 жыл бұрын

@@coppermoth6069 @Si M presume that was to me? I am not making a direct comparison notice the "I guess will saw it as", as in I'm trying to understand where his mindset is. My point is two fold since her hair loss is due to an autoimmune disease it's still insensitive and as most people see alopecia as just going bald they rarely consider the fact it may have more serious underlying issues or can affect young kids. You can make a bald joke, not realising they are going through something worse and it's still hurtful but even if a person's condition is not that serious, is it OK to make fun of non life threatening medical conditions? No. Is making a bald joke bad? No. If you upset someone by not realising that making that joke is making fun of someone's pain should you apologise? Yes. Oh and yes I think we should be more sensitive to men going through male patterned baldness. To be clear though since everyone on the Internet needs to be spoon-fed and the obvious said. Losing your hair is not as bad a cancer. >_> and I don't condone slapping someone due to an insensitive joke.

This slap has turned feminists into trad wives

Can't believe people unfollowed you for this. Like, I get why Will Smith was upset (I understand the impulse for violence) but there was NO call for him to do that. It's concerning that people are willing to let bad behavior slide because it's done by someone they like or they can empathize with the sentiment that led to those actions.

- It was 100% wrong of Smith to slap Rock - It was 100% wrong of Rock to make that joke. Life is rarely zero-sum. Though, to be clear, this doesn't justify Smith hitting him. Will Smith, and only Will Smith, is responsible for Will Smith deciding to slap Chris Rock and there is no justification for him doing it. - Although I do agree that people take jokes too seriously at times, I do not agree that they are always "just jokes" They can become tools of oppression at some level. The problem, IMO, is appropriate response. If a person tells an occasional misguided joke, they do not deserve to be cancelled. However, if their career is based on them, then calling for their exclusion is justified to me.* There is a whole lot of muddy middle ground in between that takes more nuance to navigate, but this is 2021 and we don't do nuance or appropriate response very well. Consequences, getting dragged for telling over-the-line jokes, is why comedy has moved (somewhat) along with the times. Comedians have, and should always have, the right to make whatever jokes they want. And the audience have the right to call them on it. There will never be a perfect balance, and I do think that the audience pull their triggers far too easily at this time and place. *Especially since, and this is important, VERY few are ever actually cancelled.

I have to wonder how much the notion that "words are violence" rather than hurtful or harmful muddies the water around this issue to the point that it makes it easier for someone to respond to insensitive, rude, or hurtful speech with physical violence.

@Zeverinsen

2 жыл бұрын

Well, it seems to have become more commonplace than it should... Have you seen the demonstrators reacting with screaming and/or physical intimidation/violence against pedestrians who don't agree with or join them? Goes for any direction of the political spectrum, though I've seen it more from extremist progressive/conservative Americans than anyone else. The last one I was someone demonstrating against women being uncomfortable with a trans woman in the wardrobe, but they were harassing a woman who was walking past them because she didn't want to participate in their demonstration, to the point of ganging up on her and destroying some of her belongings. It was quite honestly disgusting behaviour, and did nothing to help anyone, especially not trans women, considering that the person had been arrested several times for intentional sexual harassment against women, both before and after identifying as trans. They were essentially perpetuating the notion that trans women are "just men in wigs who want to harass women", which is not true, and subsequently "proving" to the skeptics that people who want equal rights for trans people, *actually* want them to be above the law and also condone sexual harassment against women. It's all just very sad.

I don't follow Twitter, so I usually gauge sentiments based on friends. I have several leftist friends and all of them feel Will Smith was 100% in the wrong, so I'm surprised to be hearing that many leftists actually defend him. Especially because several of my conservatives friends also defend Smith, albeit maybe different reasons

@Canoby

2 жыл бұрын

It's always the loudest takes people pay attention to, not the most common. Of course shit takes generally get more clicks than good ones.

@blackbeltjones2903

2 жыл бұрын

Twitter, like any social media, has sociopolitical circles that are cancerous. And they just keep feeding off each others bull, coddled in their social echo chambers, fawning for likes and retweets. The left are just as bad as the right for this sort of thing.

This has summed up my feelings for the last week. Like I’m disappointed by people I know and thought highly of… and feel officially out of step with humanity. The narrative that to disagree with the action means you’re suddenly anti Black women is disgusting to me. To see folks now talking about alopecia as if it’s thing that only Black women experience… weird… what planet am I on? I must’ve taken a wrong turn somewhere

What grosses me out (like Tiffany Haddish’s take) is violence is OK when a black woman is being disrespected. Violence *is* not OK, especially with a mild-ass joke based on a 25 year-old movie about someone’s appearance (Chris Rock probably didn’t about Jada Pinkerton-Smith’s alopecia) during an internationally televised event. Almost *every* comedian makes jokes about celebrities’ appearance, *even at* the Oscars. Did Jake Gyllenhaal hit Amy Schumer when she implied that he and his sister Maggie had an incestuous relationship? Did Will hit Regina Hall when she mentioned their open marriage or Jada’s “entanglement”? No! The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences (AMPAS) never expected a grown-ass adult (and nominee) physically assaulting a presenter! Also, how bad would it look if they took back his award 30 minutes after he had won and give it to Benedict Cumberbatch if he was the second place in ranked-choice voting? PriceWaterhouseCooper, the accounting firm who does the tallying of who wins the Oscars is *completely* independent of the AMPAS, and no one knows the results until the envelope is opened. Also, how bad would it look to have the LAPD arrest a black man during the ceremony? That would’ve also given AMPAS EVEN MORE shit and accusations of racism and police brutality. Will Smith was asked to leave, he refused, Will Packer and the all black production team who ran the Oscars this year (a historic first) made the call for him to stay because he was the presumed winner. In regards to the standing ovation, think of all the timing of this. Between The Slap and Will Smith’s win was just *30* minutes, I’m sure the people in the audience still processing what just happened. Hell, I was watching at home and still processing what just happened! It is also considered good courtesy to give a standing ovation or clap when someone wins. As someone who watched the entire proceedings, I heard Chris Rock “I could…OK.” He was about to say something, but paused in not to make the situation worse. He was just physically assaulted, didn’t physically defend himself afterwards, and verbal retaliation was what he considered, but didn’t. He did make a joke before and after that, but was clearly shaken by the experience because he flubbed his line. Chris Rock was presenting the Best Documentary Feature, which was won by Questlove for his “Summer of Love” documentary. His win was *completely overshadowed* by what just happened, and I don’t think Will Smith has ever apologized to *him* for taking away from his moment! However, I’m sure people did that instinctively and just to be nice to the winner, or else face Will’s physical wrath which he JUST unleashed on a presenter barely an hour before he won! Also, I have commented that the standing ovation was *not* unanimous. I saw Javier Bardem and Penelope Cruz sit down and politely clap, and I noticed a table with an Oscar on it where neither of the men clapped nor stood up (I did see one person on his phone probably commenting!). People are reading *way too much* in this “standing ovation“, it was *not* unanimous and there are certain people who weren’t standing up or clapping that we didn’t get to see on television because they were out of cameras’ framing. Smith will not have his Oscar revoked (that’s never happened before), he has already resigned from AMPAS before harsher punishments could be considered and given, and he probably won’t be returning to the Oscar ceremony next year to present the Best Actress best actress Award, according to tradition. “Talk shit, get hit” is childish shit, and Will Smith’s actions weren’t OK by any means. Also, the joke that Chris Rock made about Jada (and Will) during the 2016 Oscars was not about his hatred of black women or a vendetta against her. Chris commented on her boycott and said that she was hypocritical for not being at the Academy Awards not because of #OscarsSoWhite, it was because her husband wasn’t nominated. Chris saw the hypocrisy in that and commented on it in his monologue (and being offended by Will’s $20 million paycheck for “Wild Wild West”!). Again, Will Smith was in the wrong, and his Oscar+ will remain a Pyrrhic victory because of his actions less than an hour before he was awarded it. It’ll definitely be his last one. + For context, Will Smith is only the *fifth* black actor in *94 years* to win the Best Actor in a Leading Role Academy Award. The other winners of that Oscar are Sidney Poitier (R.I.P.), Denzel Washington, Jamie Foxx, and Forest Whitaker. The last one won by a black actor was for Whitaker (for playing Idi Amin in “The Last King of Scotland”) in 2007, over *13 years* ago.

I honestly didn’t care that much about the original event because, to me, it was just a couple of millionaires acting like fools on the red carpet but I was really disgusted by a lot of comedians (white men) who resorted to very tired clichés against Jada to defend Chris.

@Adam-zh4hm

2 жыл бұрын

Nah, plenty of black comedians have done the same jokes and roasted her 😂

I think the big reason why people reacted the way they did boils down to how comedians as a whole have been acting. A lot of them have begun to express bigoted ideas or punch down hard at marginalized groups without any repercussions for the most part. People have been trying to use their words with these people only for their words to be universally ignored. I think the reaction comes from people who feel like they've responded in the mature way with other comedians in the past only for them to not be listened to ever. I'm not gonna defend what Will did, but I think that's where the support comes from for a lot of people.

@starsona4699

2 жыл бұрын

and sure, you can chock what they say up to jokes but jokes are a form of communication too, and there have been comedians who have used jokes to express clearly bigoted ideals that can have an actual effect on people in society. I don't think that's what Chris Rock was doing, but I think people are a bit more sensitive to that kind of stuff now than they were previously.

@aff77141

2 жыл бұрын

Comedians have been being shitty for forever, and losing their popularity is usually plenty of a punishment, even if it's not as instantaneous as people like. I get what you're theorizing here, but I think if anyone is thinking that it's more of an excuse for violence in a situation where words work perfectly well

To quote Chris Rock, "IT WAS A GI JANE JOKE!" Probably one of the tamest things I've ever heard. His roast of Jada in 2016 was far more potent.

@slothful2039

2 жыл бұрын

The dude could have honestly made an extremely crass joke considering the situation with Jada and Will. But he stuck to a J.I Jane joke.

My mom taught me as a child to keep my hands to myself, so… Imagine slapping anybody who ever said something you didn’t like, or teased you for something.

I'm going to admit that I'm a person who had a problem with the joke. I have a problem with jokes that make fun of a person's medical condition, looks, etc. Many people can relate to that and how they were bullied in school for being 'different', and the psychological damage lasts a lifetime. That being said, this does NOT justify Will's response. I'm of the "both sides" mindset, but in the way that "both sides did something inappropriate"... and that does NOT excuse, justify, or redeem the other side at all. That's a problem with our culture. We have seen too many court-room TV shows and have this distorted view that there must be "one bad guy" and "one victim". And this leads to the strange concept that if two people are doing something bad, the person who did the "lesser evil" is suddenly off the hook, and forgotten about. This is so entrenched in our culture, that if you speak poorly of one, it is assumed that you are defending the other. What Chris said was in bad taste, and it normalized bullying of people who are already feeling marginalized (not just Jada, but those watching who have the same condition). But I agree that what Will did was worse... not just because he openly and publicly assaulted someone... but WHY he did it. It was (as you said) toxic masculinity. It was because he was defending HIS honor, defending HIS wife, defending HIS fragile male ego, not because he was defending her or any of the other women out there struggling with alopecia. She didn't go up and slap Chris, Will did.

@ElectricZoeEel

2 жыл бұрын

This is where I stand, it upsets me that people are now defending inappropriate jokes, but violence is a no go either. I don't have any pity for the parties involved (at this point, I have only heard people's descriptions of what the news has described of the situation and have no loyalty to celebrities), but from the sounds of it, Chris could have dealt with worse than a punch if Will had just stood back and let twitter do its thing. Now it really is a "both sides" thing. edit: decided to get it right from the source and watched the joke. I think the joke could have been made regardless of whether a medical condition played a part in her appearance or not, but bringing it up in regards to someone with it should have been avoided. Yeah, the joke wasn't as bad as I thought it was. second edit: It's not bad in the sense that it was a malicious joke, but I can see how people would be fed up with hearing that type of joke. Getting made fun of your height once wouldn't suck, but after the 20th time you just snap. Once again though, it's about more than the celebrities.

@februaryschild0216

2 жыл бұрын

Did Chris even know? I mean, just because Jada goes on TV and shares every detail of her life, doesn't mean everyone in the world is watching. Also, the joke wasn't about her condition, it was about her shaved head. GI Jane was a bad ass, who, as a Navy Seal, shaved her head. Jada also shaved her head because she started to have some thinning in certain areas. She said so herself. So, was CR being mean? I don't think so. I think he told a corny joke, about a really old movie and didn't think it was that serious.

I had the same experience, glad I'm not alone here. I felt so out of place hearing both friends and family say it was ok or the right thing

This video was a relief for me, my experience was the same as yours, this whole thing stressed me out for some reason and I couldn’t put it into words but you put it perfectly, it wasn’t so much will smiths actions but everyone else’s reaction. This video helped me feel like I wasn’t alone, thank you so much

i've had the same sense of unease about the public reaction to this. Luckily most of my friends agree and it's been reassuring. I feel like most of the bad takes i've seen come from the media or the sort of skin-deep/vengeful progressives I've already cut ties with ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@charliekelly

2 жыл бұрын

I interact with a lot of people over 50 and some of them also justified Will Smith's actions. Kind of a traditional "defend your wife's honor" sort of deal as if it's the middle ages or something. All sorts of people are having all sorts of justifications for assault it seems.

@noxid86

2 жыл бұрын

​@@charliekelly Yeah this is weird. Old-school honor culture feeds into toxic masculinity and the belittling "protection" of women. So watching this intersection of agreement between performatively woke liberals and "fightin words' conservatives is.... weird....

I can't get the whole thing out of my head because a lot of people had this really weird reaction and justification for it. I'm glad other people think this way.

based + correct + thank you +

I'm very happy that I've seen that most of the youtubers I subscribe to have had the obviously correct take on this situation. I think it shows a level of moral character, integrity, and intelligence. Keep up the good work.

I must not be in your circle because I think every single post I've seen about this situation has been just countless people bashing Will. So much so that I've moved to the position of he's obviously in the wrong but the amount of backlash he's getting is disproportionate. I've also seen a lot of people with the take that Jada is somehow responsible for Wills actions too and people bashing her for being too sensitive, which is just absurd. The frustrating thing is that the joke didn't even land. The audience had obviously turned against Chris when he made the joke, you could hear it in their reaction. What would have likely happened if Will had done nothing was that after the matter Chris would have apologised publicly anyway. With all that said, from what I've heard, it sounds like Chris and Will have moved on from the situation and I really wish my feed would too.

@dannaymcmillian2492

2 жыл бұрын

"...but the amount of backlash he's getting is disproportionate..." THIS is what is astonishing to me.

When people think uttering insensitive words are akin to violence, retaliation with physical violence can be interpreted as a form of self defense. It's a way to cloak insidious intentions in virtue, to conveniently justify bullying people they disagree with.

Non-violence is something people love their opposition to practice.

I mostly disagree, but I wouldn't be able to formulate it well enough in a youtube comment to tell you why. I appreciate how level-headed you were about the whole situation though, Twitter really is formulated from the ground up to get people upset and keep them upset.

i could care less that he slapped him, i could care less if he won an award later, and i could care less if he faces any punishment for it. if someone wants to defend their partner, so be it. we like to think we're rational beings because we ****live in a society**** and live within laws we created, but we're all animals with emotions...we cant all abide by the social contract 24/7. the only interesting thing about this whole situation to me, is that the person who made a joke about a black woman's (lack) of hair is the same guy who produced a doc on ... black women's hair lol. i dont even know if that warrants a conversation, but frankly that and the memes were the only thing i was remotely interested in.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I'm not keen on the 'it's just a joke' defence in general, comedy can perpetuate and uphold oppressive (violent) ideologies. and I wonder where it stops, if someone steps up and does a minstrel routine tomorrow would that just be a joke? also I have a feeling that some of the left wing defences of will Smith might be in reaction to the mainstream criticism, which felt a bit like pearl clutching, especially considering Hollywood's capacity to ignore violence that isn't aired live. at least that's based on what I saw

Will was out of line, the joke wasn’t even terrible. He laughed at it, but then changed tone when Jada gave him the look.

@Canoby

2 жыл бұрын

It certainly wasn't Rock's A-material (thought it sounds like he was building up to it). Honestly I felt it was a bit of a groaner myself, and that's really how I interpreted Jada's reaction from what I can see on camera, but I don't know what the dynamics of the Pinkett-Smith household are like. I really have to assume that Will Smith was just feeling the pressure of the night and cracked, and had the absolutely worse reaction he possibly could have had. I don't know if there are any unaddressed bad feelings towards Rock that came to a head here, and I think a lot of the online speculation driving that has real clickbaity motivations. A few years ago Rock actually put out a documentary on hair loss in women of color etc. and just how socially and emotionally damaging that can be. This seems like he thought Jada's hairstyle was merely a fashion choice and he didn't honestly know about her alopecia. What a dumb situation, I think we all can agree on that.

@TheSuzberry

2 жыл бұрын

Let’s not blame Jada. She might have given him the side eye, but that’s no excuse.

@Canoby

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheSuzberry 100% agreed. I can't blame her for cringing at that groaner of a joke, even if I disagree that Rock should have been assaulted over it.

@frances9975

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheSuzberryagreed. I don't like how many people are blaming her. Is Will not a grown-up? Does he not have control of his own actions? It is just sexism.

@chanceofbliss8175

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheSuzberry I wouldnt blame her because will smith is a grown as man making his own decisions, but the fact that she laughed after will Smith did what he did says a lot imo

I hope none of you have a bad moment in your life. And if you do, I hope you receive as much grace and compassion as you have given Will Smith who for his ENTIRE career has been composed, gracious, and kind. He has ONE bad moment and y'all are ready to burn him at the stake. Did he overreact that night? Absolutely [NOBODY is seriously disputing that fact and to act like they are is absurd and lazy]. Is he human? Also absolutely, black people are HUMAN. My stance will ALWAYS be to give grace and compassion, PARTICULARLY when it comes to black people because in these moments grace and compassion is something we are rarely ever given.

Honestly this is a refreshing take. In a feminist space it's easy to get angry and protective of women generally, which isn't inherently bad, but you're right to point out that it can pretty quickly turn back into toxic masculinity, and in this case it did.

I think "If you take a joke seriously, you are interacting with that joke in the wrong way" isn't a particularly useful take. Comedy can be effective for social messaging, and especially when it's a big comedian "just jokes" can significantly affect the broader conversation around a topic. Thanks to DC a lot more people have a warped view of the problem and discussion around Rowling's TERF issues. (Also my take is generally "Will was wrong, but also, fuck Chris Rock," that we're painting the concept of "violence" with a broad brush, and also that this is being treated with the level of discourse that it is primarily because of the decorum of the moment and not the actual seriousness of the situation.)

@dansheffield4021

2 жыл бұрын

You had me at the first part...

@MichaelWestonAnimates

2 жыл бұрын

@@dansheffield4021 Good to know!

@Spotastic9

2 жыл бұрын

100% agree with everything you said here.

THANK YOU. been feeling insane these last few days with noone making sense.

I wonder how much we expect a person to take before lashing out makes sense logically or should the ideal person just capable of taking shit infinitely

This situation has really highlighted how overall unreasonable the culture and America has become

Hey,you are right on. I believe it's NEVER right for anyone to lay hands on another person for speaking words! We need to reinforce this. We need to remember that our youngsters are watching how us adults are handling it. AND (as a single woman who must have my own back) I believe this: Jada is a powerful, articulate woman accustomed to being a celebrity. SHE could have advocated for herself if she was outraged at the joke (I did not see that in her though) either in that moment or by just letting it go and issuing a press release (or Twitter post) the following day stating her position, and even asking for an apology from Chris. My sense is that there is a lot more going on with Will and Jada and he felt he needed to make a macho stand and "protect" his woman. Anyway, I'm with you totally, I think you need to pop that bubble and listen to #1 - your inner compass and integrity. #2 you seem to have considered the oppositional position and decided that your gut is telling you that your sense of the situation is correct. Stay strong.

Just because Will claims he was defending his wife doesn't mean he is defending black women... get it together people. Also, I think Will was defending his ego/pride and not Jada. And I completely agree with you... this situation stressed me out so much. I think my side of Twitter was evenly divided but I was really disappointed with some people whom I respect for siding with Will.

@UTU49

2 жыл бұрын

I seriously wonder if... for Will Smith, this entire thing was actually about the earlier comments about their marriage.

I reserve my strong opinions for things I deem important. This ain't it.

My thought when I heard was mostly about what on earth must be going on in Will Smith's personal life that lead to him deciding to get up on stage. The way I saw it is that someone that was doing okay would have stayed in their seat. Maybe shout something like "Not cool" or "too far", definitely not hit someone over it. I think violence can be okay in response to word, but the words have to be a lot bigger than what Rock was saying. Not just a bad/mediocre joke, but like, inciting violence or hate. Like, if someone is trying to get others to be hateful or trying to get others to become violent, that might be a good time for a slap. But the Oscars was not that.

Until this video I was definitely leaning more to siding with Will Smith, mostly because of his and Jada Pinkett Smith's original reactions to the joke. Will initially was very prepared to laugh it off, but Jada immediately looked disgusted by it, and I sympathized mostly with her being the one who was insulted. I personally really hate appearance-based jokes so that was a bias I brought into my opinions. I completely understand the urge to physically hit someone who insults me even if I would never go through with it myself. But for Will Smith, punching was his second reaction and I thnk it would have been a lot smarter to let the moment pass and deal with it off screen. No one would have remembered the joke he made if he hadn't been punched over it.

My take on this situation is that it was just a slap, and it wasn't a particularly hard one. If Will Smith decked the guy, my reaction would probably be different, but what happened to Rock is almost nothing. I think what Rock did was shitty, but I wouldn't say it's a crime and it definitely wasn't anything close to the kind of full-on hate speech that leads to systemic oppression that, say, JK Rowling spouts. A slap is all things considered a proportionate response to the level of transgression that Rock committed. It's hardly "assault".

I can't agree with the idea that you cannot hurt someone for speech. I'm in the "its okay to punch nazis" camp. I agree that Will Smith is 100% in the wrong. Just disagree that jokes are a shield from physical violence is why Will Smith was in the wrong. I think it's okay, morally for example, to kick the shit out of someone using speech to lower the physical safety of groups of people. Obviously you shouldn't be shielded from the law for acting on that, but I still put that as a moral win. Will Smith wasn't doing that, he was hitting someone because of emotions and personal feelings. I 100% disavow that.

@kuningasmagnolia8023

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah this. Words that cause violence are in my opinion something one can respond to violently as self defense

@iamdanyboy1

2 жыл бұрын

How do you lower the physical safety of groups with jokes? Or with words for that matter? I hope you don't death threats or threats of violence because that doesn't count as speech for even free speech absolutists. Thats just counts as violent acts .

@TheCommanderFluffy

2 жыл бұрын

@@iamdanyboy1 if you, for example, joke that "furries aren't even real people and are in fact animals so you can hunt them." Could threaten lives. Obviously a strange example, but I haven't finished my coffee so I hope you can see where I'm getting at.

@blungus9574

2 жыл бұрын

The thing about Nazis being publicly threatening is that they’re not *just* using free speech. They’re making threats, explicitly or implicitly. Taking space and saying Jews will not replace us is putting forward a threat that implies violence. Now there are instances of right wing shitheads implying violence where punching them isn’t he right option either, sometimes the best way to disarm them is rhetorically or diplomatically. I think it all comes down to what the immediate harm/consequences are. If my shitty right wing acquaintance makes a racist joke I can call him out on it and make fun of him but I probably shouldn’t punch him. However If a neo nazi is in full uniform and protesting outside of a synagogue with his buddies… well they’re already escalating to violence.

@iamdanyboy1

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCommanderFluffy that is literally a violent threat dude. These are not words. These are threats. Threats are not protected under free speech. See I wanted you to clarify because a lot of people mean what you just said , but use words like you did instead making it vague.

@9:40 you touch on the feeling of being out of step when you were younger. I'd love to hear an essay about that aspect of life and how those feelings progressed for you.

i don’t think that either party was right in the situation, so my feelings towards the incident are a lot less black and white. however, i don’t agree with your take about “interacting with jokes the wrong way.” if someone doesn’t like their autoimmune disease being used as a punchline, respect that. mind you, whether chris knew at the time of making the joke or not, he hasn’t publicly apologized to her. aside from that, this discourse about the ethics of making a bald joke towards a woman with alopecia (that she clearly didn’t appreciate) puts chris’s feelings over jada’s, who is arguably the only victim here. and comedians are not untouchable snowflakes just because it’s their job to make jokes. if they can’t take the criticism, pick a new line of work.

@brib6046

2 жыл бұрын

I hate how Jada is often being pointed as the aggressor and forcing Will to do something. And that she did not have a right to be upset because it was a “tame” joke. Chris Rock knows Black women have an intimate relationship with their hair. He even interviewed a woman who has alopecia and her struggles of being a bald woman in society. Will smith was not appropriate at all with his reaction and I hate how his wife is getting the blow back for his choice.

@quietman208

2 жыл бұрын

Jada is the ONLY victim here? Are you serious? Did Jada get assaulted on camera in front of the entire world? Cmon..

@siako8112

2 жыл бұрын

@@quietman208 you’re right, jada didn’t get assaulted, she was just put in a position to be pointed and laughed at for having alopecia, which was the catalyst for all of this. but okay fine, chris rock was the victim. the person who needlessly embarrassed him in front of a room of his peers when he was there to celebrate the nominees should apologize. wait a minute. wait a minute, i’m being told by my producers that that’s exactly what happened TO HIM.

@rickstarz

2 жыл бұрын

"If they can’t take the criticism, pick a new line of work." Or, if you're already famous, just cry 'Cancel Culture!' and make millions.

@quietman208

2 жыл бұрын

@@siako8112 “wait a minute. I’m being told by my producers that’s exactly what happened TO HIM”. Sarcasm aside, I still don’t know what you mean by this. If you’re talking about the fact that Will Smith apologized - he never apologized to Chris Rock that night. He tweeted it probably after his management told him to. Also, Chris was just pointing out that her head was shaved. He was not laughing at her alopecia. The joke wasn’t even mean natured or malicious. It was pretty harmless.

I don't disagree with any of your points here, but 'would people react the same if Will shot Chris in the head' is the most bananas-ass comparison I've heard. An openhand slap isn't even on par with a closed fist punch. Let alone straight up murder. Those are nowhere near the same and the reactions would rightfully be wildly different.

@TROBassGuitar

2 жыл бұрын

It's justifying the behavior that leads to shit like that though

So good to hear someone who’s take I respect having the same as mine. I thought I was crazy. It is wild. Seems so straightforward. No matter how offensive Rock’s joke, how wrong it may be, still wrong to slap him on live TV…like…what? I’ve just dodged my circles heavy takes by just saying “all for rich folks slapping rich folks on live TV for our entertainment” sarcastically.

First off, I'll just put out there that I am a black woman. So I have a unique perspective on this. Do black women have to deal with crap about our hair on a daily basis? Heck yes! As I commented on another video, growing up I had kids joke about me looking like Predator when I wore my hair in braids. There was a group of kids who EVERY DAY would sing the Just For Me jingle at me when I transitioned to wearing my hair natural. Even at work, I've had to deal with ignorant comments and unwelcome and offensive advice about my hair. It gets old. When I was a kid, it actually hurt. BUT...(and it's a big but) I DON'T GO AROUND SLAPPING PEOPLE! Violence is NEVER the proper reaction to insults. I watched Roland Martin's take on it and he was so on point. Like he said, when you respond to words with violence, you escalate the situation and now it's become physical. Imagine if this altercation had happened in the street (especially between two average guys and not two of Hollywood's biggest stars). Chris most likely wouldn't have just took that slap. He would have hit back and it would have turned into an all out brawl. That's the kind of nonsense that gets (black) men killed. And over a dumb joke. No, your take was correct T1J.

I completly agree with you man and I was also surprised to see that a lot of people (on the US I must say) support Will Smith. I never comment on your videos but I just wanted to comment on this one to let you know that there are many people that do share your opinión, I guess just not the louder voices. And, just as a final point, for me this just shows how extreme some of the people from the left are becoming and now you can actually see a lot of division among people even inside the "same" political spectrum. Is kind of a sad proof of how some of the ideas that are suppose to seek for social justice are morfing into more and more extremist ideologies.

@aylbdrmadison1051

2 жыл бұрын

After reading a couple of the things allegedly said on twitter, I'm fairly certain at least some of those commenters are from putin's troll farms. Comparing it to putin's -war- _mass murder campaign_ in Ukraine, and comparing it to 9/11, are the exact sort of things paid trolls are taught to post in putin's troll farms. People need to know also that all paid trolls are paid per each reply we give them, so it's always best to never reply directly to a suspected troll.

I 100% agree with you.... From beginning to end...

I’m happy to be getting more content from you lately. I’ve enjoyed seeing your take on things over the months.

Thanks T1J!

Thank God someone's take is spot on.

I was thinking about it recently how many awful things are told through jokes and it's totally normal in that space but nowhere else. Marginalized or racialized people are part of very serious narratives, and the only way we talk about it is through jokes, to elevate the mood.

@cassiusvoidkin

2 жыл бұрын

That's called "Gallows Humor" and there is a saying about it. Something along the lines of, "Gallows Humor is solely reserved for the man being executed, any joking or jeering by the gathered crowd about his circumstance is just part of the execution." As in, if it isn't your circumstance to make light of then you're really just bullying.

T1J, I just wanted to say that I watched a video you made a few years back about being positive and not attacking people online, and it really made me think. I try to follow your example every day, though it's hard and I often fail. Thanks for being you.

Thank you, I was also very stressed out and also felt what you did, I was scared reading the reactions. Felt like I was going crazy so thank you T1J

I agree with everything you had to say. It has really bothered me how so many people are willing to justify violence in response to words. I personally don’t think there was any malice intended in the joke but even if there was it doesn’t justify Will’s actions. I have also been really bothered by how many people are placing the blame for Will’s actions on Jada. Since when is a grown man not responsible for his own choices?

Good damn. I've been "I feel like I'm talking crazy pills" about this all week. I completely understand the emotional reaction you are describing. The public reaction to this has really thrown me for a loop. What I saw was so cut and dry, especially after that speech he gave. Him talking about how protecting women and love justifies "acting crazy" (eg. open violence?) It is wigging me out that people are OK with how Will acted. I get that nothing happens in a vacuum and that there is context to everything. I get that there are conversations that this event is going to spur. I get people might want to talk about moral inconsistencies when it comes to the give-a-special-oscar-to-roman-polanski Academy. Spread alopecia awareness. Use the moment. Whatever. But as for the event itself, it's just so cut and dry. Even if we do go ahead and grant that the joke was horribly offensive and ill-intended. A guy got up and hit another guy, because he didn't like a thing that he said. That's only like the first thing we teach children, isn't it? That you can't just hit people when you don't like what they are saying???? It's a little thing, I guess. Obviously, there are more dramatic wrongs being done in the world right now. But its simpleness is what has wedged this all so far under my skin. It's such a basic thing. Don't Hit People. It does feel like a Trump thing, in a way. That feeling of the ground shifting underneath you. Trivial as it may be, this event revealed to me that an understanding which I thought was pretty universally accepted - nobody gets to just hit people because they feel like it - isn't actually universal at all? I don't want to be the person harping on stupid social media reactions to a stupid pop culture event, but it has got me really twisted up. If you extrapolate justifying this behavior for Will Smith, then where does that leave you on Use of Force in general? Are you saying it's reasonable for people to read violent intent into the words of others and retaliate with physical violence? BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. Or maybe we can limit it. It's acceptable when a man is doing it on the (self-assumed) behalf of a black woman? God that speech was so off-putting to me. I don't know Will Smith, but I do know men who talk in that way about women. About being a "crazy father" who just can't help himself when it comes to "protecting" the women in his life (read: women who he is responsible for, women who belong to him, women who are an extension of himself and reflect on his ego). That shit skeeves me the fuck out. For me, that's clear red flag territory. Especially when it's coming from a guy who so plainly just escalated common award show banter to a physical altercation! The whole thing was such bad vibes to me, and the fact that it was not super bad vibes for most people... Idk. Shoot me into space. I can't do it here anymore.

found this gem of a channel via a comment section, love what you're doing and wanted to express my support I've checked out a few of your vids and subscribed now :D

“Talk shit, get hit” brings me back to my childhood and I gotta say, I really hope people grow out of that and learn to respect free speech. I’d be worried same as you TJ. The Will Smith thing, I’m not sure if it’s even real, but if it is, Will Smith is 100% in the wrong. Though I could see people honestly believing they could just hit someone anytime they’re upset or upset by that person. Again, I hope people grow out of that, but idk, maybe not everyone does.

You are 100% right! Please don't start to censor yourself especially now that we desperately need nuance in the world. I am glad you are staying to your core values when it would have been easier to go with the crowd. You may lose some subs now, but you'll gain more who align with your principles.

100% agreed with you. I was disgusted that the event continued as if nothing happened - as if a man didn't get physically assaulted on live television. Chris Rock is a bigger man than I am for not pressing charges. Even though it's not the same thing, I also always felt uncomfortable with the whole "punching Nazi's" narrative. Like sure, they are people who hold abominable ideas and express hatred and promote terror, but the idea that it's okay to go assault people because the say terrible things means that they can use the same justification for violence against us. It cuts both ways. Granted, promoting hate speech is not the same as telling a tasteless joke, but core of the idea is similar.

Eyyy thanks for the content as always

Fresh point of view. Thank you for sharing. It's weird to still be thinking so much about what would have been such an insignificant moment. But to your point, now I'm starting to understand why this was such a big moment for so many people.

I really didn't think this would be that hard a question for me. I genuinely consider hitting people to be wrong, but at the same time, I feel like you can't really make fun of someone's condition and be surprised if someone (Them or someone close) hauls out for it. I don't think it's a good thing, but I just think that's where our society is.

@blackbeltjones2903

2 жыл бұрын

She has alopecia. It's basically the female version of male pattern baldness. While it's understandably more devastating for a woman to lose her hair than for a man, this isn't baldness from chemo therapy. This isn't heart disease or any number of other disabling or potentially life threatening conditions. It's literally just hair. People need to stop conflating this "health condition" with some sort of dire issue that'd be legitimately morally wrong or in bad taste to joke about.

@AxelLeJeff

2 жыл бұрын

​@@blackbeltjones2903 I think it may have to do with chemo? My mom went through chemo, and I'd have certainly felt justified or even obligated to smack someone for making fun of her, but a large component of that would have been hearing her feedback, and I don't think my mom would've wanted that. I know a lot of weight and social pressure is put on women to see that their hair is well maintained, but at the same time it seems regarded especially low to dig at someone incapable of holding up an arbitrary social standard.

Here's my unneeded take: There is no actual bottom line here, there are only several things that are true. 1) Will Smith was wrong. 2) Chris Rock knew the joke was lame. 3) All Jada did was roll her eyes at a lame joke. Yes, jokes are jokes but they are meant to make us laugh. We are not obligated, even by social politeness standards, to respond positively to ALL jokes just because they're jokes. She rolled her eyes, and? 4) A lot of things were triggered in Will when he saw his wife's face and he made a bad decision. The joke is really a non-issue. There's no need to even dissect the joke itself, all it did was spark a chain of events that were a while in the making already. 5) Will Smith wasn't removed because he assaulted a Black man and the show runners decided that was acceptable. Be mad, race is a thing a Black ppl hurting each other does not evoke a high level of concern nor care from the folks in charge of these events. 6) This one isn't a truth, just my personal feelings: Sometimes fam be beefin and those grown ass ppl can work that out amongst each other. I don't care that it happened at the Oscar's, I'm not getting my panties in a twist over the rapists and sex traffickers having their evening "ruined". I don't care that it happened in front of the world either. I'm not team anybody and I won't be arguing against any legal or career repercussions that befall Mr. Smith. Now on with life.

@Adam-zh4hm

2 жыл бұрын

The joke was fine

@paperheartzz

2 жыл бұрын

Not to add views to the scene, but when I saw her face...she had contempt dude. Am I making that up? That's different to a "ugh that's lame eye roll", contempt is more dangerous to me than an angry yell. It's the sign that you're a planner...ykwim?

@monimuppet6132

2 жыл бұрын

@@paperheartzz No, it's not a sign that you're a planner and it's not dangerous. Are you one of the lot attempting to make Jada a puppet master? Will did what he did. If his wife's reactions affect him to that extent that is STILL a personal problem. It is still legal to 'boo' a comedian off stage for displeasing the audience so if you're trying to pin malicious intent to Jada's unamused expression, perhaps you can use some self-reflection too.

@monimuppet6132

2 жыл бұрын

@@Adam-zh4hm Again, I don't care, the joke doesn't matter.

@Adam-zh4hm

2 жыл бұрын

@@monimuppet6132 then why is it point number two of your comment?

Pausing the video halfway through to say THANK YOU for putting the malaise I've been feeling around this thing into words - I absolutely agree, the upsetting thing about the reactions to it has been discovering that an idea I assumed we all agreed on (you can't just march up and hit someone) is in fact... not something we all agree on. I couldn't put my finger on it, but you absolutely have.

You are of course technically correct in every way. However, anyone who has ever experienced being verbally mocked and bullied will feel a huge rush of satisfaction at watching a bully getting their comeuppance, even if their rational and dispassionate minds knows perfectly well that it is ethically and legally indefensible to ever physically fight back against it, no matter how mean the words used against you. Our own hearts cannot be made to agree with our minds on this point.