Finally someone who speaks in their tutorials.

For those wanting to know what the ratio is, its 8 parts IPA and 3 parts Acetone. Great vid by the way

@AnandBhatB

3 жыл бұрын

By weight? Or volume?

@ronskopitz2360

3 жыл бұрын

@@AnandBhatB densities are so similar as to be basically identical, so it really shouldn’t matter whether you measure by volume or weight.

@larrybud

2 жыл бұрын

IPA beer or isopropyl alcohol?

@Bobo-ox7fj

4 ай бұрын

@@larrybud Why not have a crack and report back?

Thank you very much for sharing this man!!. So far I've had the best results using this technique. Even better than photograph paper and heat. I'm using this in order to make boards for mi Electronics Enginnering thesis

Thanks for the guide, I had this idea to make pcb art for a midi controller i'm building, this is exactly what I want the case to look like.

Antony, what a great video tutorial. Thank you. Just what I was looking for. Aloha 🤙

Note, double sided boards aren't a problem. Completely etch one side (tape the other side off). If you're using through hole components, you would then drill 4 holes, one near each corner. Doesn't have to be exactly on the corner, but space the holes out. Then when you're aligning the other side, look through a light so you can line it up with the 2nd side transfer. *I will say, however, if you're using some sockets, like a PLCC, you might not have access to the pins on the top side of the board, so then it is an issue.

Something else you can use that I find works really well is overhead projector paper

Never seen that type of transfer before. İ used a laminator lots of times for toner transfer and it works great.

@AntonyCartwright

5 жыл бұрын

That's good to know! I meant to try that method..

@rahimsarvejahani2083

Жыл бұрын

I can't do laminate work.I don't know if the problem is with the paper or the heat.Please tell me what kind of paper it is😔

Useful video. Excellent

@AntonyCartwright

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Cool projects, i do them with a cnc, Thanks for sharing, Regards Jean-François

You can also buy double sided copper clad boards from Ebay with copper on both sides of them

You should use rubber gloves when cleaning the boards, if you touch them later you can transfer oils from your hand and also could leave fingerprints.

I have started experimenting with this method. I believe the exact mix for good transfer will depend on the toner in the printer used.

Hi and thank's for your video about PCBs. I think you need to increase opacity in any way because we can see the light passed through your opaque areas. First, you may try the settings of your printer. Next, if it remains too clear you may superpose 2 transparencies. Check your transparency's opacity with the day light. Kind regards. Jean-Yves. Often with toner printer, the toner does not stick well on transparencies and some printer do not print so dark even with settings full dark.

Nice! A sharpie works well to touch up any flaws. I use the iron on method with Poundworld photo paper. I stocked up before they shut down. Works great. Peels off with no soaking. The trick is to iron onto a flat surface like a kitchen tile. I have the same drill press (you cheapskate lol).

@AntonyCartwright

5 жыл бұрын

Ahh cool!!! I'll see if you have any videos tomorrow. :)

@AntonyCartwright

5 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha, you know how it goes. ;) I'm tight like that!

I bet that a small rubber J-roller would work well too to adhere the paper to the copper board.

Thanks a lot! I was failing this procedure before I watched this vid... Because I used only acetone...

@rahimsarvejahani2083

Жыл бұрын

Dear friend, what is the second substance, acetone and ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟😇

Instead of rubbing and risking movement, try a wall paper edge roller. You can get a lot of force without risk of shifting and really get the air out. Make sure the roller does not dissolve in the acetone first or use a wooden one!!!

Would it be better to do the rubbing on stage on a folded newspaper soak up the surplus solution to prevent its migration back to the board

The useful part of the video starts at 04:07

You will get better result if you print twice on the same paper, but sometimes you need to do that fev times. Also after you transfer it to copper board you can put it to acetone fumes it will close up those gaps.

@AntonyCartwright

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks... Interesting.

@alexstone691

3 жыл бұрын

What do you mean acetone fumes?

@rahimsarvejahani2083

Жыл бұрын

@@alexstone691 I think they mean acetone spray😇

one issue is that paper is mixed with the ink. sometimes the paper gets stuck between the traces and it gives you a poor etching were you need it the most. this leads do over etching in places that you don't want when you are adjusting the whole thing

Which software do you use in order to get your design. I like the minimum copper etching of the design.... 👍

Hi can I use isopropanol alcohol?

Ezcelente gracias

IPA can be used ? Ethyl alcohol? ?

Did not you work with an iron, or only with medium

what is mix w 3 to 8 anyway.

Fantastic. What is the other ingredient in the 3to 8 mixture?

is it okay to do it using photo paper?

I'm impressed how clear your voice comes through your respiration protection mask, and how silent your ventilation system is, while you work with these chemicals :-)

@AntonyCartwright

5 жыл бұрын

Hiya! I'm immune to all three chemicals. (Although I wouldn't want the stuff in my eyes). I've tested the ferric chloride... Left it on skin for 10 minutes and no effect on me. Maybe I'm just tough! :)

I haven't laser printer It work in photo copier ?????

ooh ... it never finishes ... I keep with heating

Anthony - what did you use to create the schematic and create an image out of it?

@roadeycarl

5 жыл бұрын

That's what I was going to ask!

@AntonyCartwright

5 жыл бұрын

DesignSpark PCB... It's excellent but the copyright owner seems to be unwilling to allow me to show the software. :(

@rahimsarvejahani2083

Жыл бұрын

@@roadeycarl Altium Designer software has no shortage..

@robertknott260

11 ай бұрын

I use express pcb. Has the schematic and parts placement part to create the boards. I import to windows paint to cleanup before printing.

Does it have to be a laser printer? Inkjet won't work?

@444guns

4 жыл бұрын

it cannot work. Any kind of ink is liquid, you can easily imagine liquid goes away when in contact with any other liquid. Toner, on the other hand (from the laser printers) is not liquid, it's a dust that gets melted and is fairly resistant to various liquids. That's why you must have a laser printer.

What are the 2 chemicals 1 is acetone n what is the other one

@jeandupuis8992

5 жыл бұрын

Methyl Alcohol works

what mixture you made I didn't understand because I'm from Brazil

@rahimsarvejahani2083

Жыл бұрын

Dear friend, I read all the comments.A mixture of acetone and alcohol.3 to 8

Is it necessary all this time rubbing the PCB with your finger? I saw in another video that the author first wrapped the PCB in the magazine, then poured acetone on the paper and it was very fast! Can Glossy paper be used instead of the magazine? Thanks

@rahimsarvejahani2083

Жыл бұрын

What is glossy paper, where can I get it?

@Dancopymus

Жыл бұрын

Photo paper, found in stationery stores.

My paper slips when I rub it!! Please help 😕

Have you tried using yellow toner transfer paper from china ?

@AntonyCartwright

5 жыл бұрын

I haven't tried it. Is it good?

I tried this mix of 3:8 but It didn't quite work well for me. What I realized was that I was using pure acetone and mixing it with water worked perfectly fine. So my mix is 3:1 (acetone:water) which I will recommend for people using pure acetone.

@rahimsarvejahani2083

Жыл бұрын

Hello, how do we know that pure acetone is pure?My other question is what do they mean by IPA😇

@PyccoloSantos

7 ай бұрын

Isopropil Alcool

Could you please indicate exactly the measurement between acetone and propanol to apply? If you can in ml. How much of acetone and how much of propanol

@AntonyCartwright

5 жыл бұрын

It should be in the video.

@robthom1919

3 жыл бұрын

I missed it too,, read that it is : its 8 parts IPA and 3 parts Acetone.

3:52 You know they sell double sided copper clad boards right? I've got some coming in the mail now from Ebay. Most PCB software can print mirror images for the other side too so there's no reason you can't do double sided PCBs

@444guns

3 жыл бұрын

I believe the major problem is perfectly aligning the 2 sides so that they overlap perfectly. Otherwise, if you have through-hole or vias, your holes will be off on one side and it will mess your board.

@Bobo-ox7fj

4 ай бұрын

@@444guns it may work to have locating holes through both layouts, transfer one, drill out the locators and align the second using that

What program you use, for design your PCB?

@lucaspaiva2650

5 жыл бұрын

Proteus, Easy EDA

@alexplayslife7782

4 жыл бұрын

Another great alternative is kicad, it's free, works on Linux (or windows, if your a masochist) and is easy to use, open source, and highly customizable.

Hi Antony !! tell me please, what kind of laser printer are you use because the print is very gooood, thank you a lot

@AntonyCartwright

5 жыл бұрын

Hi, It's a Samsung ML. :-)

@YT7RR

5 жыл бұрын

@@AntonyCartwright ML ????

Oh, by the way, you need a $1000 laser printer...

@rahimsarvejahani2083

Жыл бұрын

You can convert the software output to PDF.And take a flash and give it to your friends.And use their printer😇

@sammoore9120

Жыл бұрын

@@rahimsarvejahani2083 sure that would work if you had a friend that had a laser printer…

@rahimsarvejahani2083

Жыл бұрын

@@sammoore9120 😇😇😇

Also..is the acetone 100 o/o or nail polish remover?

@davelordy

2 жыл бұрын

nail polish remover is basically 99.9% acetone, with a little bit of perfume and sometimes colour, but essentially nail polish remover = acetone.

@rahimsarvejahani2083

Жыл бұрын

@@davelordy Is nail polish remover really the same as pure acetone?😇

So it's 3 parts of acetone mixed with 8 parts of isopropanol?

@AntonyCartwright

5 жыл бұрын

Yes.

@akhildhananjay1744

5 жыл бұрын

@@AntonyCartwright Thx bro 👍

@AntonyCartwright

5 жыл бұрын

@@akhildhananjay1744 No worries! Let me know how it goes.

@akhildhananjay1744

5 жыл бұрын

@@AntonyCartwright Will do 👍

Hi Antony please reply what is the ratio of Acetone and Isopropanol...?

@NicolasP1973

5 жыл бұрын

In the video he says 3 acetone and 8 Alcohol

Filling the empty space of the pcb with useless copper pour means a toner solid black and every ten pcb's needs toner refilling which adds extra cost without an obvious reason.

@larrybud

2 жыл бұрын

Tradeoff. Less to etch. But it could cause stray capacitance

You said you can only do 1 sided boards. Check the videos by Gareth Burrows. He demonstrates using the same basic method to make 2 sided boards.

Where did you order your boards from? link?

@AntonyCartwright

5 жыл бұрын

I bought them ages ago.... They were from ebay. :-)

@korishan

5 жыл бұрын

lol well that doesn't narrow it down :P I was hoping you got them from some seller specifically that you get most of your stuff. I was looking at alice1101983 as Julian Ilett buys a lot from her/him/them. So not sure yet.

@AntonyCartwright

5 жыл бұрын

@@korishan I don't remember. They weren't cheap. I just bought them from anyone lol.

@AntonyCartwright

5 жыл бұрын

Although, since then, I've bought more from another seller. D

One thing not mentioned in this video, and which is quite important, is that not all laser printers are usable for this method. Brother laser printers don't work, because the Brother toner does not transfer properly (in fact it doesn't transfer at all) with the acetone/isopropanol mix. I have a Brother laser printer and this method doesn't work with it. After I failed a few times I looked it up and it's a common problem. It works only with other brand laser printers.

@AntonyCartwright

5 жыл бұрын

Hi! I don't think you should write the toner off. There are many factors involved. My toner is the cheapest toner on ebay and it works. HOWEVER, the mix of alc/acet does change depending on the paper. Even for me, the mix has to sometimes change. This video is very general. :-)

@stamasd8500

5 жыл бұрын

@@AntonyCartwright It's not the mix or the price of the toner. Brother toner is different from all other toners, it does not dissolve in the acetone/isopropanol mix to allow for transfer. In my many tries, there were no partial failures but always total failure. Simply none of the toner transferred at all in any of them. And I'm not the only one for who this method doesn't work with this brand of printers. Too bad because they're otherwise awesome printers.

@alexstone691

3 жыл бұрын

@@stamasd8500 I have a brother printer and the toner transfers from regular paper, do note that you can buy generic toner for brother which may or may not work better

Wear gloves to preserve the copper longer. I used to do the etching and washing of pcbs we had to wear cotton wool gloves

goods

Good method, but need to verify it

❤️👍

Interesting, I might try this. However. Health and Safety hat on here: never put chemicals in drinks bottles. Especially with small children around.

@AntonyCartwright

5 жыл бұрын

Hiya! It's the only suitable one I could find and it's emptied out and kept high it of reach after use. :)

@robthom1919

3 жыл бұрын

Good point. I thought I always labelled my bottles,, but had a small farm and lots of oils, lubes, etc.. One day I opened a detergent bottle in my garage, and found that I had put spent oil from an oil change 2 years before, and forgot to even marked the bottle.

It must be laser printer?

@alaaessam5545

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, it must be a LASER printer in order to transfer the drawn diagram to your board, otherwise the inkjet printer uses liquid ink, and that's with not do the purpose

I'm from Tenerife. Like&sub ofc

@AntonyCartwright

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks...

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PLEASE... moderate your audio levels.

15 scrap ones before you got it right. Yeh, about par for a new skill but once you get it right you wonder what the problem was. You should see my pile of scrap from new skills.

why does everyone sucessfully make a PCB and I just sit here trying heat acetone alcohol and all the tree dogether separately in all sorts of combinations and nothing work..And I tried 11 printers 5 tipes of paper and foto paper and everything

@AntonyCartwright

5 жыл бұрын

Hiya! Do it exactly like in the video! It does work! :-)

@adam207321

5 жыл бұрын

@@AntonyCartwright It simply didnt :_D Im sentenced to JLCPCB or trying that scary and difficult UV method.

@AntonyCartwright

5 жыл бұрын

@@adam207321 did you use the right paper..

@adam207321

5 жыл бұрын

I tryed like numerous foto papers. None gave me a useable result

@AntonyCartwright

5 жыл бұрын

@@adam207321 go to a travel agent and get some brochures ha

So much of rubbing with finger. I am afraid I can't unlock my phone with my fingerprint anymore.

@AntonyCartwright

4 жыл бұрын

Haha, it happened to me too!

@rahimsarvejahani2083

Жыл бұрын

😆😆😆

this should rather be called RCB Rubbed Circuit Board :D

You need to use nitrille gloves when working with acetone. Acetone is a known carcinogen. I enjoyed your video. Thanks

For me the problem is creating the art work to begin with.

_JCL PCB would like to offer you 5 PCBs for 2 dollars_

@alexstone691

3 жыл бұрын

Shipping for me is like 30-60 euros so

The density is very poor.

3 to 8 WHAT? 3 acetone? 3 alcohol? You mentioned the ratio but not the chemicals

I fell asleep in rhe beginning so i couldnt deal and just skipped the whole video Thanks any way

Sloppy Video. Around 9:23: "The mix is 3 to 8 - acetone and....." what? He never says, not that I can hear anyway

@KIPE_san

4 жыл бұрын

Isopropanol

Why use the tesrm IPA???....most people do not know what that is!!!!!! USELESS!!...IPA is isopropol alcohol...pure....now wasnt that easy?????

@rahimsarvejahani2083

Жыл бұрын

👍👍👍

10 minits blablabla the trick is 30years old

You lost me at ferrite fluoride

That's not cheap at all

not a good system...too much pitting and unreliable..why not just use photo resist and developer..

@AntonyCartwright

5 жыл бұрын

The board in this video, I'm still using it now and it's fine. The method can be difficult though, I agree.

@bubbahogg-buga4613

5 жыл бұрын

sorry, meant the process is unrealible, im sure the board is fine if the toner transfered successfully... i tried different toners with this method and just gave up and went back to photo method.. but good for you if it works..thx

@AntonyCartwright

5 жыл бұрын

@@bubbahogg-buga4613 Ahhh yes, you have to use the right paper. Some mags work and some don't...

You need to use rubber gloves if you are useing asidtoen buddy that's a big mistake in my eyes if you are reviewing

@KosmosHorology

4 жыл бұрын

Nick Ward Acetone. It’s been used for 60, 70 years in manicure work. It’s not that bad. People terrified of any chemical.

Use gloves on your hands, your skin might be absorbing harmful chemicals that could kill you (liver damage for one). I know someone who died from his skin absorbing benzene.

@callmejackaroo4723

3 жыл бұрын

You knew someone you mean. Can anyone just post a video without trolls trolling all over the damn thing? Do you suppose he isn't aware of what is known as the glove? I think he probably is aware, Admiral Troll.

Isn't it better to show the contents and amount of the injection syringe in front of the camera while mixing the ingredients?Those who do not understand your language And they even use a language translator to comment Have a better understanding and insight I didn't understand the mixed values I did not understand your language

U can do this for pennies and oh yea u need a laser printer 😂😂

@alexstone691

3 жыл бұрын

You can always try printing somewhere else for cheap

Werkt niet

Laser printer is a must, and i stop watching it

Dear Anthony, you've made a good video, but sorry to say, you talk too much! Want to teach something? Make it short, patience is difficult to go by nowadays. Who has the time to watch a video for 18 minutes which can be shown in 7-8 minutes? Sorry for the criticism, but that's the truth.

Toooooo much talkative