I’m gonna say it... I like this more than Columbia City Change my mind.

@mordecaif

3 жыл бұрын

I dont North West is the best!

@ralphthegamer2173

3 жыл бұрын

@@mordecaif fact

@jamesswords6425

3 жыл бұрын

@@mordecaif To be honest, the city looks a lot like Portland right now

@burgerkingofficialyoutubec2798

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesswords6425 it feels like Portland if it was built in Northern California

You might wanna consider a railway museum. The California state Railroad Museum is a good one to go off of, and maybe it uses the historical line and uses original railway infrastructure. That might protect one of the sidings you put down, but I'd love to see something like that.

For this to be a historically black neighborhood, I really believe there needs to be a historical church somewhere here. Even if parts of the neighborhood have been destroyed, the church could have been a landmark being a hot bed and common place of meeting for black activists in leaders in the city.

@ianwazowski5607

2 жыл бұрын

Also a lot of basketball courts and KFC restaurants

@Mirkezo

2 жыл бұрын

@@ianwazowski5607 ...

I really value the amount of effort you put into creating this city in a realistic and accurate way. The backstory behind the motorway is amazingly intricate, and the inclusion of the gay bar is really next level. You don't shy away from these topics even though they might be controversial here on youtube. You include them, because this is what real cities are like, and I seriously applaud you for that!

I expect people accidently trying to drive up the freeway to be a recurring story in the local newspaper

@wrong1029

3 жыл бұрын

yeah I was thinking it might need some bollards 😂

@luckyluke5638

3 жыл бұрын

@@wrong1029 There's always gonna be that old lady in her '07 Camry 😂

@vanessamak1065

3 жыл бұрын

@@wrong1029 yeah! that is what I am thinking too, so those barrier poles are called bollards, great! I've learnt something today.

I love this political cities skylines; cities are complicated, and I think you're doing a great job of diving into it

@SophisticatedFlow

3 жыл бұрын

@compik ruh oh shaggy, someone’s cranky!

@stereotype.6377

3 жыл бұрын

@compik Imagine the luxury you have to not have to care about politics

@salmaaaane

3 жыл бұрын

If you like political cities skylines, check out donoteat

@Secretlyalittleworm

3 жыл бұрын

@@salmaaaane also a great channel, plus the ‘well there’s your problem’ podcast is excellent too

@stereotype.6377

3 жыл бұрын

@@salmaaaane That guy is amazing holy shit, thanks!

There’s this converted elevated freeway in Seoul called Seoullo 7017 you might be interested in. It’s Korean version of NY’s High Line.

@neitherlecher5207

3 жыл бұрын

I came here to say this. Perfect example of an elevated freeway turned into a park!

@QuodNomenTibiEst

3 жыл бұрын

mvrdv - did that, if you need more inspiration...

It’s kinda like the old cypress freeway in Oakland which fell down in the earthquake and got turned into a park style thing

@PresCities

3 жыл бұрын

That's another good example - should have pointed to that.

@Diana-le7oh

3 жыл бұрын

Mandela Parkway! With bike and walking paths and benches and landscaping in the middle.

Jacobs Park named after Jane Jacobs who was a main figure in canceling the lower manhattan expressway. Maybe she played some role in doing the same in Cabrillo

Out in Oakland they have their Train Station that hasn't been used since the 89' Earthquake. They now use it for films and special events. Maybe have something similar? It would be interesting to have something like that in Cabrillo.

Wow, I always thought that NorCal, especially the "Cascadian" part doesn't get enough love and here it is, Cabrillo. And the freeway park looks both like a great place to relax with a view on the city and a reminder how much of an urban planning nightmare was spared by cancelling another freeway cutting through the city.

Maybe a name like "303 Park" as a reminder to what the freeway would be called. Or perhaps a dedication to a civil engineer important to the city's history and infrastructure development.

@blujitsu2180

3 жыл бұрын

Using the highway name is a great idea.

@ApollonDriver

3 жыл бұрын

Amazing idea!

Are you aware of How skibbith does his series Yellow Hill 2? A very cool concept where his patreons can buy plots of land or specific buildings and he develops super realistic businesses and storefronts, earn reputation, his own currency system, and even become mayor. It's definitely smaller scale than Cabrio but I've really enjoyed following along and seeing how his audience really is dictating most of the entire build

Because the highway had polluted the cheonghyecheon for a long time (like for 30~40 years), the city demolished the highway and made the stream again artificially.. And.. That mayor who managed the project once became the president of ROK.

@PresCities

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting!

Good to note that gentrification is typically associated with active displacement of current residents which is how a distinction between redevelopment (which is typically a new land-use type: industrial->residential) and gentrification (typically apt->owned unit conversions and most of the time is accompanied by rent hikes, demolition, strict code enforcement). Pres does a good job framing a lot of the negative connotations that comes along with it! Rock on comrade love the series!

the elevated freeway is so damn cool.

I love the idea of converting freeways into parks!

ive never watched a series where the builder gets so in depth with backstory in their city, but i really enjoy it!

Hey Pres, I love how you're making this series a lesson in equitable urban development and community ownership! I'm nerding out in these episodes xD When I think of participatory policy making in the modern context, I think of Zoom call town halls...maybe there can be livestreams where community members advocate for concepts they believe should exist in Cabrillo.

I never knew that bit about reclaimed freeways becoming parks, nor the sordid history around freeway construction. A unique build to be sure, and I'm all about reclamation of historical spaces as well as alternate universe worldbuilding. A new favorite episode to be sure.

Highways are fine and important in connecting rural areas together but they should really end/become less intrusive as they enter cities, and I think that's what a lot of American cities lack. Great video as always!

One day you should definitely build low income housing/low income projects

I really enjoy the low fly music in the background, it makes it enjoyable when doing homework while learning about city planing and zoning

Some of the freeway master plans are terrifying to look at today how so many cities would have been even more segregated by freeways then they already are

This freeway idea was fantastic; great vids Pres! Edit: Also, would you consider placing a few car dealerships in Cabrillo? I feel like dealerships are a common sight in North American cities, yet I rarely see them built in City Skylines. I think you should give it a shot!

The city is starting to look really pretty.

Been binging Cabrillo the past couple of days, and absolutely loving the series - especially the sociopolitical commentary and the urban planning knowledge on display. It's just amazing to watch. No idea how well this would work, but maybe give some of the higher patron tiers a property in Cabrillo and start a competition among them - that they have to influence urban design decisions in a way that boosts their land value the most by the end of the series?

Really glad you got to share the story of racism in urban planning through this build. My only comment with the video is that I think there are too many trees on the roads, it was quite hard to see what buildings were there and from a pedestrian level, it might feel too dense? Otherwise, love your builds!

Dallas, Texas...an existing bridge over the Trinity River was transformed into a park alongside the new Margaret Hunt Hill bridge, designed by Sergio Calatrava. She was a local heiress/philanthropist, and in all ways, the new bridge represented the coming gentrification of the low-income, mostly hispanic poplulation West Dallas. The old Continental Avenue bridge was renamed after Ron Kirk, a relatively recent black mayor. So, in a different way, all of the forces you mention were present in this example. Dallas also has a reclaimed "deck park" over a bypass freeway. And we are very close to dismantling a major elevated freeway, to reclaim the rights of way below it, and to create a network of boulevards to knit the bifurcated neighborhoods back together (although I don't know that I'll live to see it).

23:25 that avenue junction connecting to the bridge could really use some dedicated turning lanes, really annoying how all the traffic chooses the same lane when there's so many lanes lmao

a season 2 of a past city would be a good idea. It would be neat to see some hypothetical planning ideas happen for a past city.

This project is kinda like the Seoullo 7017 Park built on a former 1 km highway overpass on South Korea! I love these projects you do in Cities Skylines

At some area near inner carrillo you should start a big chain of parks that you connect via water/parkways like boston's emerald necklace or Boise's ribbon of jewels. You could name the parks after important people from carrillo/NorCal and i think it would add a ton of depth into the realism of the city and add to the already great atmospheric bits of the series.

I have somewhat of a criticism of the way you arrange buildings. While this is not specific to only you, I feel that it's unrealistic for buildings of different styles and eras to be physically touching each other. There is usually some sort of alley in which you have dumpsters, trashcans, graffiti and mopeds. Even when not separated by alleyways; buildings usually have some space between them due to the limits of how thin construction workers are (with some exceptions for when buildings that are part of a complex built by one developer). The alleys are sometimes used by intrepid-cyclists to avoid car-traffic, which can be reflected by having some of these narrow spaces being make-shift bike-paths.

@PresCities

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, once we aren't working in wall-to-wall areas it will definitely look different. But I'm not too concerned with small details like this, I'm trying to expand the city fast.

An idea for polls based off the trade-offs you were talking about: in the poll you could provide two proposals, for example the freeway park you built here, or the Black neighborhood it was built through. It gives you the option of building what would've been replaced.

this is awesome, i really like the inspiration station segment of these videos. cant wait for more.

I love what you're doing with this city. Going into the history of the city makes me feel much more invested somehow.

Never expect the elevated park that what I'm trying to build in my city

Pres, just discovered your channel. Awesome video! Glad I stumbled across this. Also, glad you mentioned Infrastructurist. Loved what they did and miss their content. What I loved the most was the way viewers were asked to contribute to the development of the city teamed with a history lesson, similar to your freeway revolt lesson. Keep up the awesome work and you have a new subscriber in me!

Something that popped in my mind, but I think that for the polls to work well, Carrillo needs more "bad" areas with problems that can be solved via the polls. The built areas look really clean and beautiful, so why would it needs replacing 😅

ITs great to see so many different cities all playing into this one build! It's looking great so far!

I think you nailed South Cabrillo. It really looks like a real place - it’s exactly how I would expect a gentrifying neighborhood like this to look. It could be interesting to have a local institution somewhere in the path of the planned freeway where the revolts centered: maybe a bar or hotel that people occupied until the city backed down. At the very least, I hope you indicate the route the freeway would have taken in some way, even if it’s just a line of redeveloping parking lots.

I love the ground level shots. It really makes the city look big and real, even if it's still small.

In Fremont there is a statue of Lenin that is controversial. Having things like that up to the viewers could be cool.

@apoet7738

3 жыл бұрын

@Jack Skoskiewicz it was brought over from Czechoslovakia in the 90s

@ColtsMan2005

3 жыл бұрын

Having a statue of Lenin sounds like the biggest larp ever lol

I'm honestly really loving this project. I'd love to see references to something like El Camino Real in the Bay area. Also, maybe the tracks by the river could be upgraded and used for a regional rail network, making the station part of the riverside park landscape.

I think it might be a nice idea to have like a municipal vehicle depot underneath the highway. Like a trailer office for the city parks dpt. with a motor pool of golf carts and maintenance equipment.

Thanks for educating people about the truth about Freeways

I'm really enjoying this, well done

It would be cool to do a Chinatown based on Sacramento's where they were driven out and raised to build a railyard, and only a small part remains.

Very nice work, like the Park!❤️

creative, original, beautiful, and a great concept for urban revitalization. This is glorious!

Cool build keep it up 😍

This is so beautiful, loved sunny !🙌😊

love the series so far 👍

Pres tells the best story the funny part is they make me feel like a nerd ....🤣 Thanks Pres

I'm pretty certain successful highway revolts were carried out by organised communities within the inner cities. Suburbanites couldn't care less about highways through older neighbourhoods. Besides that, I watched a ood deal of Infrastructurists video's including polls. They generally worked like this: An area was designated for urban renewal. 2 choices were offered, advantages and disadvantages for both were listed. The next video saw the poll results and the implementation of said result. You already take care of step 1 and 3. But perhaps more importantly, Infrastructurist's cities were gritty, dirty and often presented as struggling. This affected the choices, because the choices were about adressing problems. There weren't many expensive choices, especially later on as he got better at it. Besides that, Infrastructurist always treated his cities as complete; there's no reason to wait with polls untill your city is completed. Just complete the area involved. So TLDR recommendations: State the issue of the city council, what problem has to be adressed here? Present the advantages and disadvantages of both choices. Complete the area up to the point that you can explain the issue, assume the rest of the city is built. Possibly build area's that have problem, South Cabrillo looks more than fixed, for example. Wild idea's? Some kind of very crude budgets that allow for more expensive choices later on if your voters are more penny-pinching early on. Simple integers would suffice here. Political deadlock, nothing happens unless the vote wins by a 55% margin?

That gay bar is super interesting - obviously there have always been black-owned queer spaces and queer spaces in lower-income communities, but they've generally been hit pretty hard by gentrification. It feels like that bar could very well be part of a chain, or probably be quite expensive, to make up for the property value, so it doesn't really serve the same people the original queer spaces did. There's also an ongoing movement to have more community-run queer spaces that don't revolve around alcohol! Some super interesting debates

maybe naming this place as mandela square? Named after nelson mandela, and maybe the old resident voted to change the name after the highway has sucessfully been canceled .If you already named a place that ,then no worries,I just got recommended this video and i just started watching it.

You should have carried through with the urban freeway. I love freeways. Especially how they wrap around and shield decent communities from... you know... them...

This isn't to Pres, I'm saying this to some people on this comments section. Highways, freeways, interstates aren't bad things. When the federal highway act passed in 1954 (?) it was really needed as US was in the urgent need of proper connections. HOWEVER, after some time, US governments just started to overbuild them, building freeways to everywhere, in the middle of neighborhoods. Highways and freeways aren't bad, their locations and planning is bad.

@PresCities

3 жыл бұрын

This is not a bad comment, for sure. The idea of having interstate highways is not the problem. Cars are not always the problem. It's urban freeways and their racist geographic and economic consequences that are the issue.

Hey, Pres! I have a suggestion for future episodes. Since this series is heavily focused on smart and state-of-the-art infrastructure you should consider adding construction sites around the city! Most of the infrastructures you mention are implemented in American cities only recently, therefore many of them could still be under construction. For example, you could add bus lane or bike lane retrofitting construction sites, roundabouts(don't exaggerate with these ahahah), high-speed rail lines under construction(California High-Speed Rail Authority KZread channel could be a good source of inspiration), and so on. These will surely add dynamism to the city. They will give a good representation of the "price" the city has to pay to have new and modern infrastructures (keeping in mind that transportation infrastructure wouldn't exist without big and noisy construction sites)!

@PresCities

3 жыл бұрын

Yesss I definitely need to focus on construction!

An interesting idea for future development and a vote in the future could revolve around a dilapidated and underperforming old baseball field in the outskirts of the city and whether or not the city retrofits, rebuilds, or relocates the ballfield. You could build a new ballfield downtown and turn the old ballfield into apartments, shops, etc. retrofit the existing ballfield, rebuild it and add transit to make it more of a destination. You can DM for more info but the inspiration comes mostly from Parkview Field in Fort Wayne, IN and Indianapolis, IN. Could be a fun idea that offers trade offs and a potentially interesting build somehow turning a ballfield into apartments. Just an idea

this episode was brilliant

This is so cool

I get what you mean by people being forced out of places where I live a couple years ago houses were affordable and now with the growth and expansion of my city and all these investments and projects being done housing prices skyrocketed making my city mostly for middle class people to live comfortably :/

And thanks for the great compliment to Boston! The Rose Kennedy Greenway is such a relaxing and beautiful place now being old enough to remember the green rusty metal double decker highway that used to be there bisecting the city from the Italian area of North End.

Well putting the whole history of the build is just amazing and a new content for City skylines nice idea pres

I feel very strongly in favor of doing “new seasons” of projects in this game. Few CS ever revisit cities. The reality is that so much of urban planning is reconfiguring spaces. Yet, almost all CS series on youtube are new builds.

the ideas that u talked about in the beginning of the episode about the building of highways and how it affected minority groups I wrote a paper on that exact thing. A lot of it comes down to socioeconomic status. It’s pretty unfortunate how many communities were destroyed.

For that south district you should make an entertainment district you know, movies, music, dancing, talent shows, etc. I think it was add a Hollywood vibe and a touch of character :) btw I think the name should be south parkland

You should build a train museum next to those abandoned railroads

Amazing stuff

Been living in SF since 2018. Everything about that freeway park is great, zone into an actual park! I’d love to see how you implement the aspect of multi-city neighborhood hubs. Northern California has so many great neighborhoods 🥰🥰🥰

5:40 omg those seagulls

The history is awesome

Love that bridge

You're timing is impeccable. Here it is, Sunday morning--and here I am, surfing for something interesting to distract me from all my work... I am thinking seriously about using this video as a source in my freshmen social studies class. Generating an understanding of the RELEVANCE of Geography and Civics for/with students is something I'm continuously preoccupied with. Civics, these days is an easier sell--but Geography, as interesting as development, urbanization, globalization, gentrification, etc., etc. are, is sometimes harder to sell. I hope you don't mind if I contextualize the lesson with a primer about urban planning, why it's important, and (using publicly available info you've published) how you use Cities Skylines as a learning tool in your degree path. If there were some important takeaways that you think I should include please let me know. I'm struck by the juxtaposition of gentrification in South Cabrillo and the displacement of black people with the headlining of a cyclist-friendly gay club. #ironic I wonder to what extent gay black men are welcome at this new club. I assume you're familiar with recent issues coming to the forefront around white racism in the LGBTQ community. How is new South Cabrillo reforming itself to become a truly diverse neighborhood? Really have loved this episode. Your design and aesthetics are gorgeous. Your willingness to engage contemporary themes is awesome. Still wondering about the whiteness of that bar. Name suggestion... Rustin Lourde Park -- named for Bayard Rustin and Audre Lorde.

@PresCities

3 жыл бұрын

That's excellent to hear! If you want to share it, I would also recommend sharing a clip (I'm sure you can find one) of Eric Avila of UCLA talking about freeway revolts and how they were a fundamentally white phenomenon. His book (just read it - "Folklore of the Freeway") goes into this in detail, but I'm sure there's a short clip out there of him explaining this more eloquently than me.

@Hubbubb22-citiesskylines

3 жыл бұрын

I also forgot to mention, the Inspiration Station segment is awesome.

@Hubbubb22-citiesskylines

3 жыл бұрын

@@PresCities great! I'll look for him.

@Hubbubb22-citiesskylines

3 жыл бұрын

@@PresCities heck... now I have two lessons. The activism around freeway revolts is an excellent synthesis of civics AND geography. 🤔🤔🤔

@PresCities

3 жыл бұрын

There’s also a cultural lesson to be had here - another side of Folklore of the Freeway is that Black and Hispanic neighborhoods throughout the nation have reclaimed the space under the freeways that destroyed their neighborhoods through art. See Chicano Park in San Diego.

I really need to get into playing this game with all these mods. Just so beautiful 😍

I love this

I'm a year late but gonna drop my thoughts anyway - First, having grown up in NorCal, I love this so much. The idea of a dense, walkable city on the Mendocino coast, with good transit and bike infrastructure, plenteous and thoughtful green spaces, an Amtrak connection, a mountain, bridges...I want to live there badly. Second, and I'm sure the history here has been developed more since this video came out so all this is probably moot - I'm thinking about the history of Cabrillo vs. Camp Walker. I don't know what it would mean for Cabrillo to have been incorporated five years before California statehood (was it originally incorporated as a Mexican town, despite being somewhat north of pretty much all Spanish colonial settlement in California?), but it doesn't make sense to me to set up a mining camp *in* an established town. So I'm wondering if Cabrillo wasn't originally the name of a small (Spanish or Mexican, hence the name) settlement a little ways downriver from modern-day Cabrillo, probably a fishing village, and when the Walker party made their camp nearby and others followed, the name Cabrillo gradually migrated from the old coastal settlement to the new mining one. The remains of the fishing village would probably be a minor tourist attraction with some interpretive signs. There would likely also have been a Pomo settlement nearby, which maybe had an okay relationship with the little fishing town, but fast-growing mining settlements and their attendant environmental destruction don't foster good relations, and Cabrillo has undoubtedly had its share of California's history of genocidal violence against Indigenous groups.

Portland had a huge Freeway plan a long time ago and they had a fight about it. Not sure I remember it too well. Watched something on it here on KZread.

I love the entire concept behind this build and how you incorporate the politics. Do you have any vanilla unmodded series?

Hey Pres... lovely decision about polls. I think you should left some urbanistic problems to resolve in future like transit, habitation or even health care, I don't know. Because a real life city never ends its problems. Cheers from Brazil.

One way to add community participation could be 2 rounds of consultation on projects. The first round would be a choice between multiple options which could include no changes as an option. The second round would be after an option is chosen to ask for feedback on detailed design. This is similar to what governments do IRL at least from what I've seen. The city is really coming along nicely and as an Urban planning student it is great to here these concept discussed in the video.

@PresCities

3 жыл бұрын

This is a great idea!

Where did you get the road tools?

Loving this build, your intro reminded me of Liverpool One in the UK, it's a modern shopping centre that kinda feels like a canyon and it's roof is a park with restaurants. You taught me something I didn't know about America highways, so thank you. In regards to a park name I would personally go with one of three choices, name it after the neighbourhood it runs through, name it after what the highway was going to be called or name it after the off ramp names I know in theuk they are Junction followed by a number, not sure about America though

You could call the park Seneca Park, in honor of the black neighbourhood it destroyed. I got inspired by Seneca Village, which was a black village were now sits Central Park

Wonderful, your work is astonishing, but I do think you should name the park Nesting Park. During the day you can see many birds and many bird nests in the park. I just want something to be named in Cabrillo by me.

The name Cabrillio puts me in mind of another poor neighborhood that was pretty famous - Cabrini Green in Chicago, that went from a shining example of public housing in the 40's to one of the most infamous slums in the country , they began demolishing it in the late 90's. If you want to show South Cabrillio "as it was" maybe build a Cabrini, the buildings used are available on the workshop. Loving the series so far!

Nice vid

Loved the shout out to Top Dog! Octavia Blvd in San Francisco ends in a park constructed after the central freeway was torn down, which popped to mind immediately when you mentioned freeways replaced with parks. As for a name, this is a little lame but Ukiah backwards is Haiku, and I could see the park including a public art and poetry space as part of its dedication, so how about Haiku Park (maybe stylized as High-Ku like the High Line?)

In Utrecht they filled up one of the city's moats in the 60s and constructed a highway in its place, but over the last year's they reversed it and now it is a beautiful moat/park! You can check it out on the Bicycle Dutch channel :)

i would LOVE to see the rail line renovated into inter-city passenger transport

How dare you consider the effects of history on our modern cities! Let us imagine that cities sprung, fully formed like the designers of this game intended!

South Cabrillo is meant to be a heavily gentrified area, I would petition to name the area "NuCab" It's a play on the large city in my region, Louisville. Louisville had a portion of it's riverfront area heavily gentrified and it was renamed "NuLu". I think the name can be contributed to the city commission's attempt to cover up an obvious encroachment on affordable housing and dismantling of a community with a "cutesy" nickname.

Great video! I think it would be cool to see a physical disjuncture in the building styles or maybe even a few missing ones where the freeway was meant to run. I'd imagine many existing buildings would have been bought out/seized and demolished, even if the rest of the freeway was eventually not built.

@PresCities

3 жыл бұрын

Good point, thanks!

Reclamation Park?

That's a lot of work but that's beautiful.

Love the series Pres, I have been playing on a modified Cabrillo map and love it! But check where the sun rises and sets, because it rises over the ocean for me (which would indicate South Cabrillo should probably be north). Still awesome nonetheless.

@PresCities

3 жыл бұрын

You can change sun position with Ultimate Eyecandy

@ryankennett4202

3 жыл бұрын

@@PresCities Thanks for that, Pres, I was not aware it had that capability. Cheers!

@ryankennett4202

3 жыл бұрын

FYI... I loaded Eureka, CA long/lat into Ultimate Eyecandy and the sun still rises over the ocean. There is a Compass Mod available on the workshop that apparently allows you to move "north" via an offset setting. If this bothers you as it does me, maybe that will correct this (I haven't tried the Compass Mod out yet - still playing around with the Node Controller 3.0. One mod at a time...).

Where do I get that grass