I have the Daymaker Classic and love it. The virtual pivot point via a 4-bar linkage keeps the pivot point about where it would be with a pin toe (as opposed to way out front as in an Alpine Trekker or frame binding), and that makes touring in alpine gear almost tolerable. You wouldn't want to use it for everyday touring, but it's brilliant at allowing you to do short tours on alpine equipment. I think that Tekdapters are a logical response on Giray's part to the explosion of crossover boots like the XT3 and Cochise. Once you have a touring boot that's burly enough to ride in the resort, then the Tekdapters allow you to do short lift-accessed tours using that and any alpine ski. Obviously CAST, Shift, and Duke PT address some of the same needs with arguably fewer compromises, but that means you have to mount such bindings on every pair of skis that you might ever want to use for short tours. IMO Tekdapters therefore have a niche for people with large alpine quivers who mostly ski in-resort (or for people who demo when traveling, or otherwise end up on "strange" skis a lot). It's not a huge niche IMO, but I think it's real.

Excellent presentation. Clear end concise.

Thank you for using paperclips and texbooks as examples of weight, helped me figure it out real quick.

Thank you for making thorough videos!

Huge step forward! love the idea! I still trust pin bindings enough to ski anything ATK Freeraider is my go to but I could definitely see these for super short sidecountry stuff. Great video!!

The product absolutely makes sense to me - i do have a touring set up but i alos have my freeride all mountain skis on which I want a sturdy binding without the additional weight of a duke, bandit or similiar freereide hybrid binding. Especially if you also do rails, jumps and so on. (10 percent hiking 90 percent just riding) Up to now I always had to bring two pairs of skies if some occasional touring was planned during the weekend... now I enjoy my regular skis and can still tour if needed. So for that (If touring is only to get further up from a lift multiple times a day) this seems to be a great solution!

Handsome Luke back at it 🙏🏻🙏🏻 truly a blessed day

I think they make a lot of sense if you already own a touring set but occasionally want to do short laps ~600m on your burly alpine ski, maybe starting from the lifts. Use the touring boots and skins you already have, but you get to ski the fat and heavy skis that you mounted with alpine bindings

@801actioncam

7 ай бұрын

Adding onto what you already said, the adaptors are great for building a backcountry quiver (for very cheap) from your existing inbounds quiver. Most people getting into backcountry skiing already own at least one or two pairs of skis they ride in the resort. So instead of going and paying upwards of ~$1000 for a whole new backcountry setup, they can just get skins and these adaptors and use all the skis they ALREADY own for touring, as well as inbounds skiing. Plus if you are doing any sort of tricks or cliffs in the backcountry, you have more peace of mind that your alpine binding will release reliably, compared to a pin binding. Additionally, there are people using daymakers (myself included), that do far more than 600m in a day on the adaptors. On a regular half day I can get ~1500m of climbing, and in a full day can get around 2500m.

I skied a lot back in the '80s with Rammer bindings. really low tech but seriously effective.

Anyone who has used Alpine Trekker adapters knows it was a terrible experience 🙂 Now we have: kingpin, shift, duke pt, tecton … or cast freetour pivot. Great movie.

@Joepvn

7 ай бұрын

honestly they're not that bad, I still use them to get some runs in with rock skis. As long as the snow is soft they're fine.

@PolarBearSnow

7 ай бұрын

@@Joepvn Congratulations on your fitness. Many years ago, when I was younger, I walked on it for 5 hours. I do not recommend 🙂

@patrickchase5614

6 ай бұрын

The Daymaker is nothing like an Alpine Trekker. Aside from being generally more reliable, they use a 4-bar linkage to move the pivot point to about where the pin sockets would be in an AT boot (albeit higher off the ski). Compared to an Alpine Trekker or frame binding that makes a huge difference in terms of the amount of work required to skin with them. The Tekdapter doesn't have the virtual pivot point, but it doesn't need it for obvious reasons.

these are great if you only ski backcountry off of a mountain pass road or you wanna do small tours just to see if you'll like skiing backcountry. I can't imagine doing 7 miles and 4k vert of climbing or a multi day trip in these tho. downhill boots suck to be in for more that 8 hours

@801actioncam

7 ай бұрын

You take 8 hours to tour 4K vert??? Lmao wtf. I promise you, people do wayyy more than 4K vert in a single day (on the heavier original daymakers even), day after day and week after week, all winter long. Myself included. I’ve used the original model of daymakers for the past five seasons and have absolutely zero complaints.

@Pebbs800

7 ай бұрын

@@801actioncam can you read?

@801actioncam

7 ай бұрын

@@Pebbs800 can you tour a lil faster?

@r00kiet80

7 ай бұрын

​@@801actioncamhe clearly said OR. learn to read and stop talking out of your ass

you can also buy a frame binding for example the marker tour or fritschi. comparable to a salomon shift or armada shift

@r00kiet80

7 ай бұрын

Did you ever ride a frame binding? They are not comparable.

@Joshua-wi5gk

7 ай бұрын

@@r00kiet80 Yess I do ride a frame binding. I know they are not comparable when it comes to touring performance but they are compareable in the way they work when skiing

@r00kiet80

7 ай бұрын

@@Joshua-wi5gk i strongly disagree

Where do you buy these? Not widely available in the UK, only the kids version.

What's the problem with the Alpine Trekker? It looks a bit lower than these Tekdapters & doesn't need pin tech fittings in the boots.

@801actioncam

7 ай бұрын

Alpine trekkers have no torsional rigidity and are known for breaking at the pivot point. And they definitely do not have a lower stack height than either the OG daymakers or these newer Tekdaptors

Don't people with tech boots normally have a tech setup? 🤷‍♂

@801actioncam

7 ай бұрын

No. Plenty of companies are making hybrid boots which are entirely sufficient for inbounds use which also include tech inserts and a walk mode in the boot. Lange xt3 for example

Whats wrong with pin bindings

1100gr plus the weight of the original binding, plus probably an heavy ski… this is perfect to start hating touring

@ulto2915

7 ай бұрын

It's 550g each, not too bad

@andresamson8859

7 ай бұрын

@@ulto2915 my ZED binding are 350g. So yes it’s very heavy, you also have to add the weight of the original binding, which is probably 1000gr. I’ve used for a year alpine trekker, than Salomon gardian , than dynafit beast, which are all heavy set-up, and trust me , when i finally choose a lightweight set up, it change my whole perspective on touring, i can do almost twice the vertical without wanting to kill myself

Like a modern Alpine trucker 😅😂

If you’re looking for a relatively inexpensive way to get started in AT, you’d be a lot better off buying a used AT “plate binding” and mounting it to a pair of “ski swap” skis than buying this Frankenstein “adapter”. And…there’s a good chance that the used set up could be cheaper too!

@801actioncam

7 ай бұрын

AT frame bindings suckkkk. That dead zone they create underfoot basically take any pair of skis you mount them to and turn them into a 2x4. Not an enjoyable experience IMO

@johns3106

7 ай бұрын

@@801actioncam That might be true, but they’re still a lot better for the uphill than “adapters”!

@801actioncam

7 ай бұрын

@@johns3106 not really, unless your a weight weenie. And when you tour with frame bindings you’re lifting the entire heel piece of the binding up with every step, which means they feel just as heavy as the adapters and arguably cause more strain than any other touring option on the market. Plus you still have a higher stack height.

This was already done. Alpine Trekkers. There's a reason they are gone.

Ya those plugs have been around forever. Better have 23 inch quads. There junk they belong in the dumpster had a pair in 1993 probably you were a twinkle.

@801actioncam

7 ай бұрын

So you’ve never used daymakers clearly. Maybe they aren’t meant for you! But you don’t need to unnecessarily hate on a product that make work very well for other people who are on a budget, or enjoy “side-country” skiing and kicker sessions. And they really aren’t that heavy. Coming from someone who’s solely toured on daymakers for the past 5 seasons

@Coolhansolo

7 ай бұрын

@CamJeppSki Ski down Denali like I did in 1991 then we talk.

@801actioncam

7 ай бұрын

@@Coolhansolo not everyone is looking to ski down Denali mr elitism. The adaptors have their place in the industry and like I said in my last comment, they have their uses. Just because someone wouldn’t use them for long ascents or 10k vert days doesn’t mean that they’re “junk” that “belongs in the dumpster”. You sound like a bit of an ass sir

Lol we've been calling these day wreckers for decades . Lol have fun with them they're all terrible .

Good video, horrible product 😅

@Gmonayy189

7 ай бұрын

At least the product is trying to fill a void! Not everyone has $800 to throw around on new boots and bindings

@Redneckeverything

7 ай бұрын

@@Gmonayy189 you get a pair of duke/baron/Tour etc for $75 used easily which is better than this in every way :) Throw in a mounting at a ski shop and you are still under half the price.

@801actioncam

7 ай бұрын

⁠@@Redneckeverythingframe bindings absolutely blow to actually ski on. And I think you forgot that once you mount those frame bindings, you have to use one, and only one pair of skis for the backcountry. On the other hand, if you own multiple pairs of skis already, all you need is daymakers and skins, and any single one of those pairs of skis you own translate into a backcountry ski as well. And you can avoid the shitty stack height and underfoot dead zone that one would be stuck riding downhill with in a frame binding option

@Redneckeverything

7 ай бұрын

@@801actioncam I do not agree, I have skied low stack hight race bindings, framme bindings, and both light and heavy pin bindings as well as these sorts of adapters and the ski feel is not that much worse with frames but the touring is much worse in adapters. All my friends who had adapters threw them too to get framme bindings. You know race bindings have higher ride hight too right? Problem with skiing e.g. Dukes is that they get a bit loose over 100 or so days. I personally go either bootpack with normal bindings or tech for when a boot pack wont cut it.

@Redneckeverything

7 ай бұрын

@@801actioncam also, how much do you own in the company and why do you not disclose that you are related to it when you comment?

If I see someone using these I'm going to assume you have no business in the backcountry and are a serious liability to yourself and those around you.

7 ай бұрын

I’ve seen many skiers with the latest touring gear be a liability so don’t judge so fast. This product can be great for ppl that don’t have the budget to have a dedicated touring setup or ppl that are starting into this sport with more experienced friends. It is also great for kids! No need to have a second dedicated pair of skis, as a parent I appreciate not having to buy 2 pairs of skis every time my kid outgrows them.

@gkemplen

7 ай бұрын

I have to agree with you there.

@Osnosis

7 ай бұрын

Maybe just a way to test your desire in side-country

@Axemanvan

7 ай бұрын

So what if I just wanted to bring my park skiis into the backcountry for a line I don’t feel comfortable sending on pin binding? Your username is surfkid you should stay out of the backcountry kook

@ryangregohara

7 ай бұрын

They are good for kids so you don’t need two sets of gear etc when they are changing skis every year.

Please stop waving your hands about! Very annoying sir.

@alexcrosse9970

7 ай бұрын

Should he just have his hands by his side, stand like a statue?

@ninapesner3434

7 ай бұрын

Of course not! But flapping hands about is exceptionally distracting from the subject he is trying to explain. Watch other demonstrators and learn.

@peterdoubleyouz

7 ай бұрын

Imagine watching a video free of cost and complaining about a minor thing which annoys you but has no impact on the quality of the info provided...