Tuning speakers with Open Sound Meter and M32 / MR18

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how to use open sound meter with m32 x32 mr18 xr18 mixers to take live sound measurements and understand those measurement to tune your speaker for the room
- My Instagram: / danielkharrat
- Download my church measurement OSM File: drive.google.com/drive/folder...
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- Mixing Station Tutorials: • Mixing Station Tutorials
- M32/X32 Tutorials: • X/M32 Tutorials
- MR18 Tutorials: • X/MR18 Tutorials
- Epic Orchestral Covers: • Epic Orchestral Covers
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-TIMESTAMPS-
00:00 Intro
01:10 Transfer Function
01:55 Why Pink Noise?
02:35 1st method
03:52 Open Sound Meter interface
04:55 Selecting the sound card
05:39 Selecting measurement and reference inputs
06:09 Generator
06:57 Routing M32
07:24 Routing MR18
07:35 Reference
09:08 Transform mode
10:36 A,C,Z weighting
11:00 Setting levels
12:13 How loud should the pink noise be?
13:02 Taking a measurement
13:43 Coherence
15:25 Magnitude
18:10 gain, polarity, delay
20:12 Phase
21:38 in phase not in time
22:26 EQ
28:43 Use Your Ears
29:23 Recap method 1
29:48 2nd method
#x32 #xr18 #osm

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  • @danielkharrat
    @danielkharrat4 ай бұрын

    Download my church measurement OSM File: drive.google.com/drive/folders/1FiYv6mftySdWk67oc6dvGrew46rThinn?usp=sharing

  • @fonesrphunny7242
    @fonesrphunny7242Күн бұрын

    Tried this yesterday with some headphones and a regular mic. Made a huge difference.

  • @markgrzybek8116
    @markgrzybek81164 ай бұрын

    Daniel, I just wanted to say thank you so very much for your time, efforts and hard work at doing what you are doing here, I know it's appreciated by many! I've been doing live sound professionally for 40+years now and have worked with many very big names and have seen many changes throughout the years. I have to say I really like your style; you have a way of teaching and keeping it interesting and so very informative that even a dinosaur like myself can learn and finally make sense of all this new fancy technology. Please keep up the great work! I wish you the best of luck at everything you do. If you didn't want to do sound anymore, you can certainly be an awesome teacher! I hope you have a very prosperous 2024! Thanks again!

  • @davepfannkoch6876
    @davepfannkoch68764 ай бұрын

    i've been running sound for ~1 year and man i wish i had found your channel sooner. i have learned so so much from these videos and my mixes are becoming significantly better every time i apply something you've taught me. thanks so much man, i hope you understand how many people you're helping with all of this info. now i just need to get a reference mic and tune my dang speakers lol

  • @MichaelCurtisAudio
    @MichaelCurtisAudio2 ай бұрын

    Nice job here, Daniel!

  • @danielkharrat

    @danielkharrat

    2 ай бұрын

    Thanks Michael 🙌🏻 i appreciate it coming from you

  • @MichaelCurtisAudio

    @MichaelCurtisAudio

    2 ай бұрын

    @@danielkharrat You got it! Keep up the good work.

  • @KianWirries

    @KianWirries

    Ай бұрын

    I really like both your Channels! With Drew Brasher you three made my career kick start! Drew with the overall Tutorials on my Mixer, Daniel with Sound Concepts, and tips, tricks and tweaks & Michael with his charming character & knowledge which he provides. Thanks a lot guys! I really need to say thank you!

  • @billwallace1177
    @billwallace11774 ай бұрын

    Absolutely brilliant content! Thank you for being comprehensive! I always need something to convey to new audio techs, and this is really solid!

  • @djrenault
    @djrenault2 ай бұрын

    this is a terrific video. i had no idea this software existed. i didn't need smaart bad enough to pay for it, and room eq wizard was pretty janky-feeling. thank you!

  • @scandinavianserialki
    @scandinavianserialki19 күн бұрын

    this video really helped me wrap my head around all of this

  • @KianWirries
    @KianWirriesАй бұрын

    It's not that common, that I leave a comment. I really wanted to get startet with system Tuning & Live Sound. Watched so may Tutorials but this one helped me a lot! I understood the most things & this really helped me, to get to know the Software and get started! THANKS A LOT MAN!

  • @sinsin7in
    @sinsin7in4 ай бұрын

    Informative video. Helped me a lot to understand the measure display in smaart. Thank you 🙏

  • @nhan.flatbread
    @nhan.flatbreadАй бұрын

    Great video for beginner! When i did begin with this topic there were any good videos like this

  • @jacksonabang7077
    @jacksonabang70774 ай бұрын

    Hi Daniel, you great hope you feeling better

  • @hectorperaza9640
    @hectorperaza96404 ай бұрын

    thank you, ive learn a lot from you!

  • @ImOzify
    @ImOzify4 ай бұрын

    Great video! An open sound meter tutorial on sub and main time alignment would be awesome too.

  • @StivenShady
    @StivenShady2 ай бұрын

    Dude, you are awsome!!

  • @noelbulls8628
    @noelbulls86284 ай бұрын

    Looks like you have been watching Michael Curtis videos. I follow him too. Good video. Keep up the good work.

  • @louwinstv3320
    @louwinstv332023 күн бұрын

    Hi Daniel I'm one of your fans of audio lessons you explained carefully and basically. Thank you for making videos and hoping for more videos about mixing live performances... By the way, can I ask what is the brand and model you are using of audio interface and mic measurement?

  • @danielkharrat

    @danielkharrat

    21 күн бұрын

    Audient evo 4 and behringer ECM 8000

  • @winniethepooh9998
    @winniethepooh99984 ай бұрын

    Great video! Tell me how to measure delay in a mixer aND AMPs?Thank you

  • @marcusnielsen
    @marcusnielsenАй бұрын

    Hi! Great video! Will useit now for our church new install of Behringer Wing. Where do I get a hold of Lawrence target trace and how do I import it in to Open Sound meter?

  • @mez9518
    @mez95184 ай бұрын

    Great tutorial! But why power math average, not a polar?

  • @biswakarmasound6058
    @biswakarmasound60584 ай бұрын

    Sir How to Manage 2 Type Sub. I mean 2 /3 types bass reflex sub , example - 1) Front Loaded 2) Hornload 2) Revers speaker sub In one venue. How to manage it

  • @Bobby_Uterus
    @Bobby_UterusКүн бұрын

    Any idea why my DN 32 is showing up as a microphone in the audio input device list? And as speakers in the audio output device list? I’m using the same set up M32c and DN16 stage box.

  • @Bobby_Uterus

    @Bobby_Uterus

    Күн бұрын

    Disregard it was a driver issue 😑

  • @RBAudios
    @RBAudios4 ай бұрын

    this video is like a gift to me i tried to get the perfect tutorial of Open Sound Meter or how system tuning works close to a year by now awesome @danielkharat thank you so much for all of this

  • @handihasan8823
    @handihasan88234 ай бұрын

    thanks for the video its really helpfull... anw have you ever experience where the right speaker and left speaker its have difference sound profile? althought its have the same model speaker and theres no tone knob on the speaker and im not doing any processing on the speaker yet the sound profile its different... is it factory defect? or something happen make it like that? thankss

  • @danielkharrat

    @danielkharrat

    4 ай бұрын

    Watch out for reflections. If there's a hard surface next to one speaker and it's causing delayed reflections it might make the speaker sound too boomy or to bright...if you can put the speakers side by side away from any walls or har surfaces, and listen to one of them then listen to the other one If they sound the same, your problem is a reflection If the still sound different, the problem is in the speaker itself

  • @radioflyer2030

    @radioflyer2030

    4 ай бұрын

    I think it is worth noting that speakers DO WEAR OUT... !!! All speakers are linear motors, and all motors wear out and break down eventually (to use an automotive comparison). The earliest wear points for a LF driver are the surround, the spider and the tinsel leads from the voice coil to the connector tabs or posts. In a HF compression driver, it depends a lot on the material the diaphragm is made of, but aluminum and titanium can develop cracks along the "surround" area (it's not really a surround, but it is a thin area with the greatest stress & movement). This is super simplified, and assumes NO ABUSE of the speaker, accidental or otherwise. If the speaker has been abused, you can easily have damaged, but not completely burnt out drivers that give anywhere from a somewhat to vastly different sound to a new, perfectly functioning driver. You didn't mention HOW the speaker sounds different, but here are a few notable examples I've personally repaired whereby the speaker was still functioning to an extent, but sounded vastly different that a good one: HF titanium diaphragm shattered by excessive power - still produced some HF, but distorted & very low volume. HF titanium diaphragm cracked along the "surround" - reduced HF volume, odd distortion at some frequencies. HF Mylar diaphragm & magnetic structure contaminated with dried beverage - sounded nearly normal but with distortion at some frequencies. LF surround partially de-bonded from cone - weak floppy bass with notable distortion at some frequencies. LF spider de-bonded from frame - lots of distortion & clacking noise from voice coil rubbing / hitting magnet. Might be worth running some measurement tests on the speakers to ensure you don't have a driver fault.

  • @handihasan8823

    @handihasan8823

    4 ай бұрын

    the speaker was hanging on the ceiling with no walls the problem its on the speaker itself.... can we just tune each speaker to match each other?? I know its a lot of work ... thanks anw@@danielkharrat

  • @handihasan8823

    @handihasan8823

    4 ай бұрын

    well the speaker its relatively new.. I thought wearing its not the problem thanks anw@@radioflyer2030

  • @danielkharrat

    @danielkharrat

    4 ай бұрын

    @handihasan8823 you can do that if the difference is not huge. If there's 5 db or more difference in certain ranges you can eq it theoretically but it won't sound good

  • @hiimlawrence
    @hiimlawrence21 күн бұрын

    I dont think im understanding how the EQ changes you're doing towards the end get sent to the console, Does that mean the signal flow now is audio into OpenSoundMeter, processed in sound meter then back into console?

  • @danielkharrat

    @danielkharrat

    21 күн бұрын

    No the filters i apply in open sound meter are a prediction of what will happen if i do the same moves on the console After i know that this filter at this frequency with this much gain and cue will do this to my sound I go and do the same eq move on the console

  • @audionerd8821
    @audionerd88214 ай бұрын

    Anyone have issues running OSM with Mac os ventura 13.4? It keeps crashing my 2019 15"MBPro even after deleting and re-instal. It was working fine a few weeks ago before i upgraded to ventura. Running the latest version of OSM thanks

  • @toxictime9604
    @toxictime96043 ай бұрын

    Hey, I need your help. I want to have a default scene saved on all our M32. No matter what I try it won't work. On one of them I somehow managed to save a preset which loads every time I switch it on. Unfortunately it's not my default scene. It's always saying that the loaded scene is the last one I saved, but it isn't. It's a competely different one and I can't figure out why and I did a lot of research on that with no results. Thx

  • @curly_

    @curly_

    2 ай бұрын

    Get a usbstick

  • @toxictime9604

    @toxictime9604

    2 ай бұрын

    @@curly_ thx, I finally managed to get what I wanted. Unfortunately it is only possible by using a USB drive an saving a scene to it which must be (re)named "CustomBootState.scn". Everytime you switch on it will ask you if you want to load that scene. So I took it even further and named it "CustomBootState_NoPopUp.scn". Since all our M32 consoles are equipped with a dedecated USB drive anyway, it now works perfctly. Everytime I switch on, my default scene is immediatly loaded. Saves tons of time. No more routing or programming required in 99% of my setups. Using cutom channel presets, it takes little to no time to get ready.

  • @caroldumais4456
    @caroldumais44564 ай бұрын

    Superb Tutorial, but the video stopped at 25.55 !

  • @danielkharrat

    @danielkharrat

    4 ай бұрын

    It plays normally on my side

  • @caroldumais4456

    @caroldumais4456

    4 ай бұрын

    Thank's @@danielkharrat

  • @BSTheMadman1
    @BSTheMadman13 ай бұрын

    Would you recommend using the autoEQ in mixing station?

  • @danielkharrat

    @danielkharrat

    3 ай бұрын

    No

  • @audionerd8821
    @audionerd88214 ай бұрын

    Nice with the mic straight into the mixer no wire..much cleaner signal haha

  • @Elior1030
    @Elior1030Ай бұрын

    Does this software works on windows only?

  • @danielkharrat

    @danielkharrat

    Ай бұрын

    No it works on macos and Linux also

  • @Elior1030

    @Elior1030

    Ай бұрын

    @@danielkharrat what about ipadOS and Android?

  • @danielkharrat

    @danielkharrat

    Ай бұрын

    @Elior1030 iPad os yes but it's not free Android no

  • @Elior1030

    @Elior1030

    Ай бұрын

    @danielkharrat ok, thank you sir.

  • @rolfdc2934
    @rolfdc29344 ай бұрын

    I think that tools like Smaart, OSM and REW are mainly developped for audiofiles that want to tune their listening room. Live sound engineers may benifit from the tools to pinpoint issues and correct the room and speaker situation, but not to the same extend. A live sound engineer should learn to hear problematic frequencies, and recognize phase or polarity issues by ear.

  • @radioflyer2030

    @radioflyer2030

    4 ай бұрын

    I hope you are referring to setting up a couple speakers on sticks & a couple subs at a local bar.... I roll out to a local artisanal brew pub to do sound for some hacks every couple Saturdays, basically in open air with a permanent awning, and I just throw down some K12.2's & a couple 15" subs & done. But I'd never dream of setting up the array system at a festival, or doing the installed sound for a rock & metal bar or dance club (or an ancient stone church) without proper measurement tools. Sure, you still need listening skills, but human ears are so easily fooled, more so when the eyes are not blind folded. Sorry, no offense intended, but if you are referring to all venues, all circumstances, this is a really terrible take on giving the audience the best results.

  • @billwallace1177

    @billwallace1177

    4 ай бұрын

    ​@radioflyer2030 , I think I understand what they meant as "be able to identify issues by ear" is more about the differences of why something isn't right, and what is. Measurements for accuracy in correctional delay timing is really, really important. I dont think the comment was just disregarding it altogether. Without tools, you can get close - but it's really a science of physics... ya know?

  • @colinpreston6149

    @colinpreston6149

    4 ай бұрын

    I don't agree, A lot of great, professional sound engineers have had their ears so battered during their career that any visual aid is a welcomed gift.

  • @laszloturi9633

    @laszloturi9633

    4 ай бұрын

    A live sound MIXING engineer should use his ears, but not a system tech... I mean can you hear phase or can you average with your ears.... come on man... Audiofiles scared of measureing their eqvipment😂

  • @radioflyer2030

    @radioflyer2030

    4 ай бұрын

    @@laszloturi9633 Lolz... you must be a first worlder... in my country, you are always BOTH (mix eng & system tech). I'm frequently amused that our 3rd world restaurants & department stores have 2 to 4 times more employees that their first world counterparts (and still often have sub par service), meanwhile they will send you to do sound at a festival with a guy (or maybe two) who's only skill is lifting things, and think that is plenty good enough to get the job done. 🤣😂🤣 (BTW, I say all this in a lighthearted way, just highlighting the differences between first world ways and 3rd world ways - no offense intended to anyone from any part of the world).

  • @Sixta16
    @Sixta16Ай бұрын

    You shall improve your knowledge what the window function is, as seems your knowledge is lacking there a lot. And the rectangular windows is exactly a "no window". Staying with the Hann window function is the safest bet to begin with.

  • @luisfreddysperezruiz9094
    @luisfreddysperezruiz90944 ай бұрын

    jesus there is no easy way xd

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