As a black person who is OBSESSED with Titanic and ships of this era from a young age, thank you. I have always wondered this since time and memorial and thank you for clarifying the "black on the Titanic" myth.

Thanks for bringing up the binoculars myth, I’ve spent many hours on watch on the bridge of a ship and we never used them to search. Only to confirm and get a better idea of what it was once we had seen something ourselves or with the radar

@batootcat

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, I have a telescope, if I want to look at the moon I don`t look through the telescope trying to find it. I look up at the sky, see the position, aim the telescope at it, and then look through the eye piece.

@cyrilthompson1846

2 жыл бұрын

My great Uncle was a ships captain in the 30s and 40s I once asked him about seeing icebergs.They do not show up as white. They show up as being blacker than normal which is the main reason binoculars would be useless. They watched for white water as it flowed round the bottom or used their noses. He said you could smell ice before you could see it.

@canuckprogressive.3435

2 жыл бұрын

I believe you and it makes sense. That said, Fred Fleet the lookout testified that he would have used binoculars and that they would have helped. You can read his testimony online. Having played with telescopes myself a bit I totaly get what Batoot Cat is saying and it supports your argument. I find Mr. Fleets testimony to be odd.

@cyrilthompson1846

2 жыл бұрын

@@canuckprogressive.3435 Frederick Fleet was wracked with guilt. In the US inquiry he didn't know what hit him. I saw a report on the US inquiry and he was led by the question about binoculars by the Senator and frankly would have said anything. He ended up committing suicide years later. The US inquiry reads like an interrogation and the Officers would have been able to give a more accurate answer. My relation who was a ships Captain sailed the Atlantic numerous times in both sailing ships, in convoys during the war and peace.Binoculars were for daylight At night you looked for irregular shades of black and the sea washing round the base of another ship or iceberg.In those days you had illegal whalers and other ships that didn't show lights but the bow wave could be seen. There actually was one of these whalers near the Titanic that night. The focus of Binoculars in too narrow and you could miss something just beyond that focus that the human eye could ses

@andrewstackpool4911

Жыл бұрын

@@canuckprogressive.3435 I suspect Fleet's comments were an attempt to deflect any accusation that the lookouts had failed in their duty by not spotting the berg as feelings were running pretty high on both sides of the Atlantic. And perhaps they may have made a difference; we don't know. But I will add that our lookouts aboard RAN warships were issued with binoculars as back up.

The White Star Line never called Titanic unsinkable. It was the press that labeled her unsinkable

@DerpyPossum

2 жыл бұрын

“…and as far as it is possible to do so, these two wonderful vessels are designed to be unsinkable” -Advertisement panflet for the Olympic & Titanic.

@Daniel_Huffman

Жыл бұрын

@@DerpyPossum That quote proves that even the press knew that ships could never truly be unsinkable, and that the usage of that word wasn't meant to be taken literally, but as hyperbole.

@oufukubinta

Жыл бұрын

​@@Daniel_Huffman It was a sales pitch

@Daniel_Huffman

11 ай бұрын

@@oufukubintaExactly!

@sharronneedles6721

15 күн бұрын

​@@oufukubintaI imagine it (maybe incorrectly) similarly to how "water proof" phones are marketed today. If you set your phone by the sink and it gets some water on it it'll be fine, if you drop it in the pool.... Maybe it will be fine, but if you give it a run down with a garden hose you'll most certainly be getting the rice out of the cabinet.

I read at one point that ships not having enough lifeboats on the busy Atlantic route was common. As the theory goes, any vessel in distress would be able to have a rescue ship in contact, and in decent range. By the time the lifeboats were set and loaded, the rescue ship would be in the area. As such, the lifeboats could make multiple trips. If necessary, the rescue ship could also send out it’s lifeboats. Idk how true it is, so take it at that.

@Truecrimeresearcher224

2 жыл бұрын

That is true. That was due to wireless. The ship had lifeboats to ferry passengers to another ship and that ship could use their lifeboats. They were not meant to safe a life

@DerpyPossum

2 жыл бұрын

That’s very true, and was also enforced in the public’s minds by the surprisingly successful evacuation of the sinking RMS “Republic” in 1909.

@thethirdrichard7787

2 жыл бұрын

I've read this in a few reputable Titanic books... I think you're right!

@HyperVegitoDBZ

2 жыл бұрын

Also the sinking wasn't imagined to take 2 hours, more like 20.

@jeremy4148

2 жыл бұрын

The Titanic was unable to launch all the lifeboats she had before sinking. Collapsible A & B were swept off the deck. More lifeboats wouldn't have made a difference.

Just a note, there is no one "Irish Accent" and Thomas Andrews one in the 1997 film is hilariously off from what it should have been. Like doing a Texas accent for someone born in New York.

@DerpyPossum

2 жыл бұрын

From what i remember, the real Andrews didn’t have any Irish accent. I can’t recall if it’s known to have been a Yorkshire accent, or something else, but knowing that definitely makes his portrayal in the movie a bit more amusing.

@hawkerhellfire9152

2 жыл бұрын

@@DerpyPossum , I'd have guessed a County Down accent myself.

@SQUAREHEADSAM1912

2 жыл бұрын

Just like how NYC accents are different from upstate accents.

@harrydrinkwater2671

2 жыл бұрын

For every Titanic movie where Andrews doesn't have a broad, peninsula culchie accent, one person *chooses* to live on Comber. We can stop this tragedy from repeating day after day, if we only take action.

@brentoutashape9141

2 жыл бұрын

@@SQUAREHEADSAM1912 No foolin' We may both be in New York, but Mulberry ain't gonna sound like Prospect Park. Just sayin'.

Other than the Olympic, another way I can tell her design wasn't faulty was looking at White Star Liners such as the S.S Germanic and the S.S Suevic. Anyways great video!

Finally the channel returns after so long i love these lessons make me look like a fool for saying this and that to people who dont know , it helps me know better

Matthew, I've been a Titanic student for 50 years. You did an excellent job with this video. Bravo!!!!

Glad ur doing these again,matt

Great job, Matt! It's been way too long. Thank you for that fine forensic analysis! 😉

Oh Matty Matty Matt.... thanks for taking the words right out of my mouth. I can't remember the last time I didn't want to scream in frustration at the erroneous information being presented in some "New Now Next" Titanic video or article. You've nailed it! Job well done!

Thank you Matthew for this very entertaining and informative video.

This was very interesting. Thanks for your hard work on researching the facts.

Correction, a pilot is never in command of a vessel. The captain is always in command of the ship even when a pilot is onboard. The pilot is there to assist the captain by providing knowledge of the local waters but under no circumstance is the pilot in command of the vessel!

@HyperVegitoDBZ

2 жыл бұрын

Logically it makes sense. The Pilot has the knowledge of waters, not a feel for the ship itself, because he can't possibly have it. There are also other problems with the notion that a pilot is the captain, like lawsuits if something happens. By this logic, you would sue the pilot, just like you sue the driver for an accident, not the company.

@IntrepidMilo

2 жыл бұрын

When a pilot boards a ship they are presented with what is called a pilot card. This has all the relevant information about that ship and its capabilities. Also to become a pilot you first have to be a master mariner holding the rank of captain.

@HyperVegitoDBZ

2 жыл бұрын

@@IntrepidMilo Ok, but each ship is unique, just like each car, so while experienced, you aren't experienced as much as the captain of the vessel, loigcally.

@oscodains

2 жыл бұрын

There is a legal argument for liability regardless.

@dovetonsturdee7033

2 жыл бұрын

@@HyperVegitoDBZ The same pilot had taken Olympic into and out of Southampton on several previous occasions. There was a court case, which found Olympic at fault, but exonerated Captain Smith, placing the blame on the Solent Pilot instead. Thus, White Star were unable to claim from the insurance, but were not required to fund repairs to HMS Hawke. The UK Maritime Pilots Association states that :- 'The pilot (in the UK) has the legal conduct of the ship in the pilotage district and upon boarding a vessel provides a passage plan for the transit and directs the course and speed of the vessel to execute the passage plan.'

One of my favorite ones from the clickbait channels is the photo reported to show the discolored hull and that it proves that the coal bunker fire helped to sink the ship. No one that subscribes to those channels stopped to think about it to research it. If they did, they would know that it was the pool that was on the other side of that section of the hull and the coal bunkers were lower to the waterline.

@DerpyPossum

2 жыл бұрын

The location of the mark was actually more inline with the mail rooms. So i guess some arsonist really didn’t like mail.

@davebillnitzer5824

2 жыл бұрын

@@DerpyPossum And the supposed mark was shown to extend well above the waterline yet no passengers complained that their cabins were too hot or they burned themselves touching the walls or walking on the deck or in the corridors? But some people fall for this anyway, no critical thinking.

@dovetonsturdee7033

2 жыл бұрын

@@davebillnitzer5824 You might add that the bunker which did have a fire was directly under the swimming pool, yet, despite the supposed tremendous heat, there were no recorded complaints that the water in the pool was heating up, or that the metal around it was becoming dangerously hot.

The #1 Titanic's debunked fact is.... NOT all half-submerged ship wreckages are Titanics !!! I'm getting sick of watching idiotic videos in Tictocs about people asking "Wow... ship wreckage. Is that Titanic?"

@Daniel_Huffman

2 жыл бұрын

I have…way too much personal experience with people mistaking my illustrations of ships as the _Titanic._ And it’s odd that people forget the basic skill of counting to four when looking at funnels, and I can genuinely say that a young woman I encountered at a graduation party on the 28th claimed that a picture of the _Empress of Ireland_ that I showed her was of the _Titanic,_ and after I brought up that the _Titanic_ had four funnels and not two…she counted the _masts_ as funnels. Seriously. They then claimed that I was conning them…somehow, and despite it being half a week ago, my infuriation both then and now prevents me from remembering all the details. Instead, I’ll say that people will use the most bizarre logic to try to make themselves correct.

@could_possiblybe_thane07echo

2 жыл бұрын

@@Daniel_Huffman how do you mistake a thin stick as a large steam venting funnel?

@Daniel_Huffman

2 жыл бұрын

@@could_possiblybe_thane07echo I’m also questioning it. They also used that same logic to say that the _Titanic_ had six funnels. She had to have been the type of person that is so often wrong that they believe their own lies because it gives them the illusion of them being right.

@JWRogersPS

2 жыл бұрын

@@Daniel_Huffman I once had someone look at a picture of Normandie I have, and go "Oh, Titanic!" Many people think all ocean liners are Titanic.

@DerpyPossum

2 жыл бұрын

Haven’t you heard? All remotely older ships are now the Titanic.

The James Cameron film took liberties, most notably when Murdoch took his own life. It was as accurate as they knew at the time, with a few liberties here and there.

@brucegibbins3792

2 жыл бұрын

That is what makes the difference between a story and a documentary. The James Cameron effort was of course not a documentary but a film narrative.

@skywalkerhunter95

2 жыл бұрын

... and he sometimes debunked his own movie. but a movie is a movie, no need to change everything like George Lucas with Star Wars🤣

@didgereemedia194

2 жыл бұрын

@@skywalkerhunter95 I agree. I’m no expert myself, but I do realise the film has many inaccuracies based on what we know since

There’s a Titanic musical?!!

@DerpyPossum

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, and if i remember correctly, it contains one of, if not *the* single worst portrayal of Ismay to date :)

Like with many devastating events that happen over history, you get conspiracy theories. The reason being, is as humans, we can’t comprehend that sometimes the simplest thing can lead to something disastrous on such a huge level. September 11, John F Kennedy, I can go on and on. We have to have some type of a scapegoat. This is what happened. If this had been fixed, none of this would’ve happened. There needs to be a villain, something to explain this tragedy. But sometimes, that’s just not how reality works. Sometimes, bad things just happen. If anything, while the sinking of the Titanic was horrible, it actually latest so many lifesaving measures for the future. The international ice patrol, lifeboats, public address system, 24 hour radio. How many lives have been saved because of Titanic?

@HyperVegitoDBZ

2 жыл бұрын

You can't really put accidents and political accidents in the same category, though

@Planefan1000

2 жыл бұрын

There's also the notion that something would've happened anyway. If Titanic didn't sink like it did, then another ship probably would, or even worse. Remember that RMS _Republic_ was only a few years back

@midokhalil1558

Жыл бұрын

9/11 there are reasons for , but titanic makes no sense

@MrMisanthrope84

Жыл бұрын

This is known as the Swiss Cheese Effect. Think of human error as a hole in a piece of cheese. Each layer of cheese represents a category, in Titanic's case each slice would represent things like Build Quality, Officer Standards, Budget, Weather Conditions, Time of Year, Scheduling, Cultural Attitudes, Emergency Procedure, Communication etc, Now add another slice of a different category, also with a hole in it. Most events will be made with multiple human errors and holes in them, but the holes don't line up so nothing gets through and there's no disaster. Events like Titanic and Chernobyl are where every slice of cheese lined up perfectly and made a hole all the way through the cheese. It's a real model, and is used in health professions to investigate when people die to determine who or what is at fault.

I had always wondered about stow aways. Pitty it was brought up in this context. The press being the press treated those Chinese Survivors very shamefully.

She was not built with sub par materials any ship put under those conditions any ship before or after would’ve had the same outcome

@jfangm

2 жыл бұрын

Worse, actually, as demonstrated by Lusitania just three years later. She sank in 15 minutes, despite suffering damage no worse than Titanic did. The Olympics were a marvel.

@Blox117

2 жыл бұрын

not really, a small boat would have bounced off

@thesimslover82884

Ай бұрын

​@jfangm Lusitania experienced several explosions, as well as the initial damage from the torpedo. Her electrical system also failed within minutes. Very different compared to what happened with Titanic.

Another point about the lookouts. White Star trained its lookouts not to rely on binoculars. Also, the berg had capsized and with the conditions of the night it is highly unlikely they would have seen it with binoculars.

Wow! Titanic University is coming back!!!

@captainAlex258

2 жыл бұрын

it better

Also re the ice warnings, several messages did make it to the bridge and CAPT Smith. We know he showed one to Ismay. He also altered course further south than normal after reaching the corner. And messages for the Master had a special code attached. A number of messages did not display the code meaning they were put aside as non-urgent.

9:56 I used to use binoculars at my great great grandmother’s house as she had a snapping turtle that plagued her backyard and a large pond that occasionally had an alligator in it (she lived in Florida). As my family didn’t want me to go outside while at her house or near the gator, they gave me her binoculars to see the watery beasts

@Unus_Annus_

Жыл бұрын

Snapping turtles are nasty little things

Point 1. Correct and in fact Harland & Wolff were literally given an open chequebook to build TITANIC. The steel used may not be as good as modern steel but was the best for the time. Point 3. One point often overlooked in the Olympic/tug and Hawke collisions an the Titanic/New York incident was the quantum leap in ship size and subsequent lack of understanding of factors such as impacts of shallow water affect, suction and pressure zones and paddle wheel affect, all of which played a part here.

I can never get tired from looking at pictures of her and her sisterships

YES! it's finally back!

Titanic my favourite Ocean Liner😎😁😁 Your game Titanic Honor and Glory is a miracle🤩

With respect to the absence of binoculars: I’m a certified drone pilot, and I can say the FAA *specifically* does not want drone pilots to use binoculars to watch the sky for any danger (aircraft). They want us to be able to scan the sky using the much greater field of view that our natural eyesight gives us. I personally don’t believe that a lack of binoculars - particularly on a pitch-black moonless night with calm seas - had any role to play in the disaster.

Great video 😎👍!!

With that underwater breakup documentary, I'm not sure if it's the same one I saw, but I remember watching one along the same "it broke up underwater" lines and feeling like they never actually presented their case for just how it broke apart underwater, or why it couldn't have broken above. Though I don't remember that much about it BECAUSE it was so underwhelming in its presentation. At least weird conspiracy "documentaries" can be memorable for just how wrong they get.

I was about to say “don’t you mean 110?” Then I realized this was the anniversary of the launching of the titanic in May 1911.

Happy 111 birthday Titanic!!!!!!!! Thanks for sharing these debunked facts with us.

Thanks for this lessons!!

I had a book "Strange Stories and Amazing Facts" that I got in the late 1970's, well before the wreck was found. A story in the book along with drawings told what a survivor reported. That the ship broke on the surface before going down. The book was published by Readers Digest.

It came back. I love this channel, hopefully this continues.

Thank You for this informative video pointing out some misconceptions. (PS: now I feel somehow guilty to have one bathtub for 2 pers..)

Re ice warnings on the radio: you'll recall Lightoller in his account saying that sometimes ice was reported and they didn't see any, sometimes was not reported and they did see it - and then contradicting himself by attributing the disaster to the final ice warning never reaching the bridge. My understanding, for what it's worth, is that the officer of the watch would never have slowed the ship while he had clear seeing (or thought he had) and no obstructions in sight, therefore the existence of the radio warnings was completely irrelevant. The officers knew even before they departed Southampton that they would probably see ice, but they would not slow down or take evasive action until they saw it for themselves. According to Wikipedia, in 1907 the Kronprinz Wilhelm struck an iceberg, but was still able to complete her voyage. This is a vital piece of background context which no account I've read refers to. The Titanic's officers would surely have known of this and perhaps other similar cases? That would have affected their judgement as to how safe it was to continue at full speed in a known area of ice.

There's something known as the Swiss Cheese Effect. Or Swiss Cheese Principle. Think of human error as a hole in a piece of cheese. Each layer of cheese represents a category, in Titanic's case each slice would represent things like Build Quality, Officer Standards, Budget, Weather Conditions, Time of Year, Scheduling, Cultural Attitudes, Emergency Procedure, Communication etc, Now add another slice of a different category, also with a hole in it. Most events will be made with multiple human errors and holes in them, but the holes don't line up so nothing gets through and there's no disaster. Events like Titanic and Chernobyl are where every slice of cheese lined up perfectly and make a hole all the way through the cheese by bad luck and misfortune. It's a real model, and is used in health professions to investigate when people die to determine who or what is at fault. It's used to determine if there were too many 'holes'. This is also where Conspiracy Theories often lose the plot, mistaking what was merely a case of the Swiss Cheese Effect in action for something more malicious because of how well multiple misfortunes lined up so well. Never underestimate the disastrous consequences of simple human complacency, fatigue, laziness or hubris.

Wow, it’s been a while.

Why are these being uploaded here and not on TU Channel?

I have always thought that in the pre-radar days, huge arc-lights mounted on the prow or mast would have been far more helpful than binoculars in spotting obstacles at night. I believe the technology was available in 1912, using a similar arrangement of Fresnel lenses as contemporary lighthouses, although maybe the installation / power requirements posed challenges, or perhaps the scenario in which forward illumination would be needed simply hadn't been conceived of until it occurred.

@jfangm

2 жыл бұрын

Power would have been the problem

That musical number about the watertight bulkheads is about as funny as a screen door on a battleship.

“A Night to Remember” is my favorite Titantic movie. In your opinion, is it the most accurate film?

@Really09997

2 жыл бұрын

the 1997 is way more accurate

@brianne_84

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t find as much to get mad at when I’m watching ANTR as I do with the ‘97 movie. But honestly they both have their strong points and their faults. Hopefully one day we will get one with an emphasis on accuracy over drama.

@roadweary5252

2 жыл бұрын

They were both pretty accurate based on the information they had at the time they were produced. Although I’m a “ANTR” fan myself

@canuckprogressive.3435

2 жыл бұрын

@Roger Huffman Jr. I agree but ANTR sticks with history better not making a fake personal story on top of it. ANTR does not show the breakup though as it was not widely belived to have happened at the time in spite of several witnesses describing it.

@professornadinelima1783

2 жыл бұрын

@Roger Huffman Jr. lol

2:03 That's from "A Night to Remember" (1958); Laurence Naismith played Cpt Smith and Michael Goodliffe played Thomas Andrews

As always educational and interesting well done

5:27 Cpt Smith gave an ice warning to Ismay before posting it on the bridge for his officers to read

Thank goodness you did your genealogy

Good on you for correcting the toilets thing. I actually thought that there were automatic toilets myself from one of these videos. I'll make sure I don't say that again. x3

Well fantastic, now you have a battleship

9:11 Binocs or no Frederick Fleet knew exactly what that lump on the horizon was

Whats the new documentary he is talking about breaking underwater?

Re "practically unsinkable": according to Milton Watson in his book “Flagships of the Line” (page 98), the term “practically unsinkable” was applied at a much earlier date, to the Augusta Victoria of 1889. HAPAG, the owner, printed this term (presumably in German) in a brochure where they stressed the safety features, such as the double bottom and the redundancy built into the engines, of this ship. This suggests that the claim “practically unsinkable” might well have been a common advertising ploy intended to reassure prospective passengers already two decades before the Titanic, and that when “The Shipbuilder” later described the new Olympic class in the same terms, that journal was merely borrowing an old cliché. I wonder whether you have any more information about this? By the way, not only the Augusta Victoria but also her three sisters - Columbia, Normannia (later L’Aquitaine) and Fürst Bismarck - enjoyed successful fifteen-year careers on the North Atlantic, without sinking.

@Blox117

2 жыл бұрын

it actually is unsinkable. steel is less dense than mercury

Another video much needed and well-done. I am curious, and perhaps TU and T:H&G will address this in a future video, but what do you fellows make of Tim Maltin's "false horizon" theory? I have two problems with it. First is that refraction is a well-known phenomenon and familiar to sailors, but no survivors described those conditions that night; indeed nearly all accounts describe the night as sharp and startlingly clear, that one could see the stars setting all the way down to the horizon. No one among the crew or passengers suggested a blurred horizon, just the opposite. Second is that the iceberg was lower than the crow's nest, and never would have been seen as a silhouette against any starry sky or horizon, real or refracted. The crow's nest, being higher than the iceberg, would have had an unobstructed view of the horizon over the iceberg's top, even a refracted horizon, and even close-up. It was not a question of how high was the horizon, but a question of how tall was the iceberg. This is a way of saying, a refraction theory is not needed to explain why the iceberg was not seen in time. As Murdoch said, it was simply that "she was too close."

@jfangm

2 жыл бұрын

Refraction is hard to see on nights like that.

What's the documentary that claimed the ship broke underwater? I assume it's "drain the Titanic" but I haven't watched that in a bit.

5:56 Oh yeah - the Hallenbeck incident. Both cases were eventually dismissed I hear, for lack of evidence. No one knew about the suction theory.

Just out of curiosity, did they think the ship traffic on the Atlantic was so busy that if lifeboats were ever needed it would merely be to transport people to a rescue ship?

@DerpyPossum

2 жыл бұрын

That was the exact mindset that they had, yes. And it was reinforced in the public’s minds by surprisingly successful evacuations in the past, like that of the RMS Republic in 1909.

@johnhenderson131

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the information, it is easy with hindsight to think it is so obvious to have enough life boats for everyone and dismiss them as arrogant but men like Thomas Andrews were highly intelligent and I simply could not think of any other reason, esthetics aside, why they would sail the North Atlantic with too few life boat. These men were very much aware of the risks far before 1912. I very much appreciate that you took the time and shared your knowledge, to help me figure out something that always drove me crazy. wondering WHY! I have read a lot of naval history, but my interest has mostly focused on military naval warfare, and military history in general but I’m humbled by your knowledge of the Titanic , the White Star line, and maritime history overall. Thanks again for your help. Sincerely, John Henderson

@johnhenderson131

2 жыл бұрын

PS I am going to investigate the RMS Republic. I’m aware of the vessel but ignorant about the incident. Looking forward to learning more.

@Dhips.

2 жыл бұрын

You're correct. It was arrogance. The undoing of humanity time and time again.

@DerpyPossum

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dhips. How was doing things the way they’d always been done “arrogance”?

I saw a video about Joseph Laroche told by a black Titanic enthusiast on his channel legacy liner. He broke down their story and the racism they experienced a bit more. Also the automatic toilets was my favorite fact now I have to find something else.

What documentary is being referred to in the underwater break-up segment?

@DerpyPossum

2 жыл бұрын

“Drain the Titanic”, from the Discovery Channel (i think).

@travis590

2 жыл бұрын

@@DerpyPossum Thanks!

Even survivors who claimed the Titanic sank in one piece testified to a cacophonous crashing sound when the ship appeared to level out before finally going under. I haven't seen anyone who claims the ship broke after sinking explain what those witnesses had heard.

5:27 On her way to Cherbourg and Cobh (Queenstown at the time) Cpt Smith ordered a few lazy S turns to test the ship around (adjust the compasses among other things). You don't do that during a voyage Capt you do that during sea trials; that's what sea trials are for. That's not the approach of an experienced sea captain that's the approach of a teen. Capt Smith how much did you really know about the vessel under your feet??

I’m mixed Irish, Scottish and cherokee and sometimes without trying my R sounds are heavy too lol

One one hand - false fact, on the other - i'm glad people know of the musical well enough for such a thing to happen

About the famous key of the binoculars box .. useless or not the binoculars where in a box and not a safe !! so it was easy task to broke the box for have binoculars !!! It's just good sens .... 😀

@dovetonsturdee7033

2 жыл бұрын

Read the Inquiry minutes, where the lookout who went off duty just before Fred Fleet took over confirmed that he had asked about 'glasses' and was told by Lightoller than none were available. The locked binoculars box is a myth.

"the most famous second class male passenger after Lawrence Beesely" UM...WALLACE HARTLEY??

5:09 Titanic and Olympic had the same number of lifeboats at this time.

I want an automatic flushing toilet

The video was great but I have one kinda major fix. As of 2022, it has been 110 year since the sinking. The RMS Titanic sank April 15, 1912. 2023 will be 111 years.

@nekoboy56

2 жыл бұрын

Happy birthday to her starting to being built. Not being sunk.

@nekoboy56

2 жыл бұрын

0:03 it's been 111 years since Titanic was launched at H&W

@thatg6838

2 жыл бұрын

Titanic was launched 31 May 1911

@eat_a_dick_trudeau

2 жыл бұрын

Ahhh the obligatory titanic video "UuUuUuHhHhHh aCtUaLLy..." brigade has arrived. Swing and a miss, sperg.

At last, a sensible factual video! Olympic even rammed a German U boat and sunk it, the only liner ever to do so! Thanks for a great video.

by the way, it's me or andrews is blaming ismay for the lack of lifeboats in the 1997 movie?

@starrsmith3810

2 жыл бұрын

He totally is.

oh god not drain the titanic

111th anniversary? 2022-1912=110 Did I do the math right?

@DerpyPossum

2 жыл бұрын

May 31st was the 111th anniversary of Titanic’s launch in 1911.

You contradict yourself: While defending Captain Smith you state he is the person responsible for everything on the ship, and that "the buck stops with him." Then, when you segue Cpt. Smith's history with accidents on the Olympic and other ships you point out the individuals who were piloting the ship." Like with legal law, you can assign rights but not responsibility. Therefore Cpt. Smith is responsible.

Yes we cannot blame the sinking of Titanic on just one person. It was a combination of bad decisions and mistakes that led to the disaster. "Everything that could go wrong, did go wrong" for Titanic

@hugos5114

2 жыл бұрын

oh, it could have been much worse honestly.

@GamePlayerZ1912

Жыл бұрын

A lot of bad luck too. Found themselves in an iceberg field during a moonless night in the flat clam.

Don’t say you can do an irish accent only by butchering it right after it.

110 years, not 111.

@Dizzy19.

Жыл бұрын

110 since the sinking. 111 since her launch.

Long story short, take everything Billy Zane ever said about Titanic with a grain of salt. The man sure knows how to rock a wig though…

well actually 🤓

2022-1912 is 110 years, not 111

@DerpyPossum

Жыл бұрын

The video states that it’s the 111th anniversary of Titanic’s *launch,* which was on May 31st, 1911. 2022 - 1911 = 111

If the water tight bulkheads had gone all the way up to B deck. ..they may had slowed the sinking, but might not have prevented it....Who knows?

@jeremy4148

2 жыл бұрын

Harland & Wolff knew how deep she'd settle with the 4 forward (or any two adjacent) compartments flooded and built the bulkheads accordingly. When the iceberg breached 6 compartments the damage was beyond the design. The designers imagined colliding with another vessel to the worst case accident and provided a front "crumple zone." The rest of the compartments were wide enough that being T-boned would only puncture two. They didn't design for running aground in water 3 miles deep with no shore to beach onto.

Odds on me growing a white beard before the game is released? (I`m 17 rn)

If it doesn't sound like incomprehensible gibberish then it's not a proper Irish accent IMO :)

Re Captain Smith: according to David Brown, Smith was responsible for minor grounding incidents (which caused no significant damage) when in command of Republic in 1889, Coptic in 1891, and Adriatic in 1909. These incidents may or may not be relevant to the case of the Titanic (Brown argues that they are relevant), but should certainly be used to give some more context. Did these grounding events actually happen? Were they normal on ships of that time? And did their lack of serious consequences influence Smith's response to the iceberg collision on the Titanic?

@dovetonsturdee7033

2 жыл бұрын

In a career as a Master dating from 1887, it would have been surprising if, at a time when charts were less detailed or accurate than those of today, he had not been involved in such minor incidents. I fail to see how such incidents can be relevant to the sinking of Titanic. The usual procedure at the time in sea areas where ice might be expected was to instruct lookouts to be particularly vigilant.

@mark_chirnside

2 жыл бұрын

The issue here is benchmarking Smith's record with his peers. That is hard because we don't have the sort of data I would like to have. As an example, however, I know one of Lusitania's captains was criticised when she touched bottom.

@Astronist

2 жыл бұрын

@@dovetonsturdee7033 - Brown argues they are relevant, in that they convinced Smith that grounding was not a serious problem. After the Titanic had struck the iceberg, he restarted the ship's engines and continued at about half speed for another five or ten minutes (clearly stated in Beesley's account) before coming to a halt for the last time, and that further period under way with water flowing past loosened plates may or may not have increased the underwater damage sufficiently to doom the ship. I find this an interesting hypothesis, but hard to definitively prove or to rule out.

@dovetonsturdee7033

2 жыл бұрын

@@Astronist Smith had sufficient experience to know the difference in magnitude between a minor grounding and a collision which punched holes in six compartments.

11:07

If you do the math. Titanic actually had enough lifeboat space for all embarked passengers, plus around 100 crew members. As there were roughly 2,200 souls on board, and space for 1200 in the boats, based on capacity.

I bet Dorothy Gibson was the one who requested not to sit with Jewish passengers at dinner.

Pilot never has responsibility,it is always the captain. The regulations states that you got to have a pilot onboard, but the captain doesn't need to listen to them. Regulation states that you need to have radars onboard, but the radar has no responsibility. A pilot follows the same rules but unlike the radar the pilot talks, alot.

@KaiserFranzJosefI

2 жыл бұрын

The regulations were obviously different at the time because Smith wasn't found responsible but the Pilot was

@victory7907

2 жыл бұрын

@@KaiserFranzJosefI Things were better then. I learnt something new today. Thanks!

@mark_chirnside

2 жыл бұрын

@@KaiserFranzJosefI That's right. Under UK law in 1911, shipowners could use a defence of compulsory pilotage - and this is what happened in the Olympic/Hawke case. The law was changed in 1913 (moves had been underway prior to 1911). The court findings were: ‘That the Olympic has failed to establish her contention that the Hawke was an overtaking vessel bound to keep out of the way; ‘That the vessels were crossing vessels, and that the Olympic having the Hawke on her starboard side, should have kept out of the way of the Hawke; ‘That the Hawke was not to blame for what she did, or omitted to do; ‘That the cause of the collision was the faulty navigation of the Olympic by her pilot [my emphasis] in going dangerously near the Hawke, and the non observance of the rule which required her to keep out of the way’. The presiding judge, Sir Samuel Evans, noted: ‘that all the orders preceding the collision were given by the pilot; and that all his orders were properly and promptly obeyed’. He went on to confirm the compulsory pilotage defence had succeeded.

Captain smith was going to retire after the titanic Maiden voyage to NYC Plus the titanic didn’t do any lifeboat drills either on there maiden voyage A conspiracy is that titanic was switched out for Olympic & her lifeboats to Titanic internal coal fire before her Launch These are some more important information about the titanic facts

@DerpyPossum

2 жыл бұрын

*(From a credible Titanic fact-checking site):* Captain Smith was aged 62 at the time of the Titanic's maiden voyage - although when he signed on he incorrectly stated he was 59. In 1910 Cunard put an age limit of 60 years for captains of their new ships Mauretania and Lusitania. However, this was not a legal requirement. Newspaper reports from 1911 had indicated he was due for retirement. The New York Times of June 6, 1911 reported: "Capt. E.J. Smith, R.N.R. the Commodore of the White Star Line, who is to command the new mammoth liner Olympic, will retire at the end of the present year, it is understood, as he will have reached his age limit. He will be relieved by Capt. H.J. Haddock of the Oceanic." An April 10th, 1912 newspaper report denying reports Captain Smith would retire after Titanic's maiden voyage. However the New York office of the White Star Line announced on April 10th 1912,that Smith would remain in command of the Titanic until "a larger and finer vessel" was commissioned, which would have been the Britannic. The Halifax Morning Chronicle, 9th April, 1912 carried the same story, that Captain Smith would remain in command of Titanic "until the company completes a larger and finer steamer." Hence we can conclude that Smith was on the verge of retirement for at least a year or so prior to Titanic - but he was not necessarily going to retire immediately after Titanic's voyage - that is a "what if" scenario we will never know the answer to. Perhaps Smith had not given the White Star Line his official notice. Or perhaps, since Captain Smith's name guaranteed bookings, the White Star Line might even have encouraged the rumours of retirement, not denying them until the last moment, in order to benefit from bookings by passengers not wanting to miss out on the famous EJ's 'last' voyage.

@dovetonsturdee7033

2 жыл бұрын

@@DerpyPossum Haven't you learned yet? There is no point at all posting facts to the people who prefer conspiracy theories? They don't like facts at all.

This game is never coming out

@DerpyPossum

2 жыл бұрын

Alright, bud.

@SQUAREHEADSAM1912

2 жыл бұрын

It’s coming out soon…

@zanisgardening123-

2 жыл бұрын

I mean the demos are out and the alpha is out soon soooooo

6:13 Correction: A Pilot gives ADVICE to a Captain. Captain stays in command and stays responsible, not the other way around. International Maritime Admiralty Law.

the first photos shown where off the Olympic not titanic.

@DerpyPossum

2 жыл бұрын

The first photograph shown depicts Titanic, when launched in May of 1911. Olympic was launched with a light-gray hull, since Olympic was the first of the class.

@eat_a_dick_trudeau

2 жыл бұрын

Yet another know nothing know it all chiming in with "corrections". Swing and a miss, sperg.

Bolsonaro

111th? It was the 110th anniversary this year

@DerpyPossum

2 жыл бұрын

The video was uploaded on May 31st, the 111th anniversary of Titanic’s *launch.*

Titanic didn't have watertight bulkheads, she had watertight DOORS. The bulkheads WOULD have been watertight had they been extented to the main deck - the ship did NOT need to be compartmentalized throughout, as the illustration suggests. Most modern ships have some degree of watertight compartmentalization below the main deck.

@hugos5114

2 жыл бұрын

No sir, that's wrong. Titanic HAD watertight bulkheads as is noted in her design specifications, each compartment was completely separated from the next one by a solid bulkhead spanning a few decks in height. If she only had 'watertight doors', there wouldnt be clean cuts in the layout of the ship like that, and especially not as solid as they were. As for the bulkheads being watertight... They... were? Being airtight and watertight isnt the same thing at all, and given the amount of compartments flooded were below 4 (which is what she was built for...), the boyancy left in the untouched compartments would have been enough to keep her afloat by keeping the level of water below the top of the said bulkheads. That was the point of the safety system itself, ensuring water wouldnt just rush through the ship (and would literally have no way in) in the case of minor (or relatively important) damage.

Titanic 2 is going to be launched before this game comes out

@SQUAREHEADSAM1912

2 жыл бұрын

Titanic 2 will never be, or at least hopefully it won’t

If Titanic had more lifeboats... it wouldn't have made the slightest bit of difference since they didn't even have time to launch all the boats it did have.

The only reason I’d put the fault of the sinking on Edward Smith is the night before the iceberg collision he had ice warnings north and south of him but he proceeded to light the last four boilers and order more speed.

@roadweary5252

2 жыл бұрын

Going at speed through ice fields was not an uncommon practice for the time. I’m not saying it’s right it’s just how it was handled. And her last boiler room (room #1) wasn’t lit until after the collision.

@DerpyPossum

2 жыл бұрын

@Adyn Roselli they did not order more speed. That’s just a poor attempt to turn Smith into a scapegoat of sorts.

@jfangm

2 жыл бұрын

An ice field was not a problem for an Olympic class. Normally, bergs large enough to threaten a ship that size don't appear in the sea lanes until arounf May.

@hugos5114

2 жыл бұрын

even if he ordered the last 5 (and not 4) boilers to be lit on the evening of the 15th, that would have had no effect on the ship's speed as they would have needed atleast half a day to come online.

@adynroselli8560

2 жыл бұрын

@@hugos5114 @@hugos5114. The fact that ice was known and reported to be south of the titanic a position makes his case for ahead full even more reckless.

Dr. Robert Ballard has no problem blaming Smith for the sinking.

@jeanscuissiato135

2 жыл бұрын

Ballard is overcredited for "discovering" Titanic, which he didn't did it alone. His opinions aren't that much valuable, specially considering that after discovering Titanic he hasn't done much for her legacy. He is like Cameron, super valorized by many, but has little to nothing to give today. They have the money, but not the willing to do so.

@YearsOfLeadPoisoning

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeanscuissiato135 I’ve never heard anyone claim Ballard singlehandedly discovered the ship. Only that he was the team leader.

@HyperVegitoDBZ

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeanscuissiato135 And what would you expect them to do, exactly?

@oriontaylor

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeanscuissiato135 The significant French contribution to "Ballard's" discovery is almost universally overlooked.

@roadweary5252

2 жыл бұрын

@@oriontaylor exactly. Like the vessel they used: the “Le Suroit”

you need to be a part of a certain race or else you cant talk about racism?

@electrickrain

2 жыл бұрын

Change "can't" to, "Too afraid to because they or their relatives/ancestors are probably guilty of it

@oriontaylor

2 жыл бұрын

Apparently not. That's a really weird idea.