I agree with everything you said 100% man. Your the man at delivering legit, easy to understand, solid information

@zachslingshots

Жыл бұрын

Dude I never realized people tie different for ott or ttf 😂

Thank you, Mark! It is great to see other shooters come to the same conclusion as we did after testing. You are 100% correct that it adds to the band's lifespan without affecting accuracy. This is why our bands are all tied TTF. Keep up the great work!

@ATOMark

Жыл бұрын

Hey, thanks for stopping in and commenting. Yup, definitely no difference.

@nathangrueber9834

8 ай бұрын

Hi there i also had a question since watching this episode. Are the bands breaking at the knots also because obviously the poutch flaps around after wards that maybe the bandsets too powerfull for the ammo. Wasted energy to me spells excess bandslap.

@nathangrueber9834

8 ай бұрын

​@@ATOMarkhi there i just asked nathan at simpleshot above. Too powerfull bands fir the amo equals excess energy to resolve. Or poutch breakage

Thank you for taking the time out and sharing this with us.

Great video Mark. When I first started using Crystal string, all my knots were coming undone. Err on the side of tightness! I am primarily a TTF shooter and am just starting to tie my bands, so I was happy to hear you say that TTF bands work great on OTT too. And yes, longevity is where's it at!

Wet the knot at pouch after tying for the first pull so knot moves into place without damaging bands. Leave to dry. Don't cut band tabs too short at the pouch. Happy shooting

U totally impress me with your shooting skills buddy.

Mark, great "deep dive" into band tear. TIP 1) moisten the knot (spit) before pulling tight. Much like tying fishing knots. TIP 2) Use amber belt to get a "tighter" knot. Crystal String will cut into the rubber if over tightened, it also breaks more easily. Personally, I only use CS for light set ups, like BB shooters

@ATOMark

Жыл бұрын

You see I switched from amber belt because it was cutting my bands. I do moisten the knots. I am thinking about switching to constrictor knots and giving that at try with all cotton string.

@kennethseio7346

10 ай бұрын

I've been using a .8mil 'crystal sting or stretch nylon from wally world in the craft dept. it's cheap and all I've needed is a constrictor knot with one overhand,never breaks or cuts. Regular crystal string is .1mil I believe. I tie my bands ott for long draw &attach to frame V side down. TTf may have some longevity advantages,although I haven't noticed any early failures way I tie mine.

Video idea for ya: Because you've identified the pouch tie as a weak point perhaps you could try Crystal string vs Amber belt. My theory is the texture and flatter profile of amber belt will result in fewer micro tears near the pouch, even if the knot slips.

@ATOMark

3 ай бұрын

Ya I thought the same. I originally used amber belt and switched to Cristal string because of the same woes. I am now useing 1mm cotton butchers twine and having massive success.

I did by accident for a good few month before I really started to "learn" and gain knowledge. Can't remember if I experienced issues but I was still getting my head around everything. I know now, and I make my own bands. It's still handy to know though, for the odd time I'm out and my options are limited. Cheers big fella 👍

Cool video. I've always done the tri-fold for all band sets, even for OTT. I figured that when you stretch bands to full draw, of course they'll align but what sold me was viewing the pouch when holding the frame horizontal and just letting bands hang down freely. The pouch was still horizontal and the tri-fold just seems like a stronger option. Perhaps with heavier bands or doubled bands, that tiny bit of extra pouch twist may have some negative effect.

You are one hell of a shot my friend.

@ATOMark

7 ай бұрын

Thanks man.

Nice job!

ty sir i have been trying to figure out the difference for a wile too.

great info buddy!

Put your band and pouch in the jig rap your Amber belt flat and rap twice loose then pull tight fir a further 4/5 then tie off with two knots putting the too loose first protects the band from the hard constriction of the belt 👍

Always great shooting always information that counts Well worth watching as always 👍👍👌you nailed it . Slip knot not good nothing shouts more 😂😂 get it 👍not good

Hi Mark. Iv only been shooting for a bit hence all my questions and I totally appreciate your feed back and all your help thank you 👍. I shoot OTT and started with TTF bands I also tried the OTT bands and for me I couldn't tell the difference but I'm new to this .. I do know when I was using the TTF bands with only clay I did over 1000 clay balls with my first band set but maybe because they are light weight🤔

Great video.

Awesome shooting Mark! Never had an issue of mangled pouch ends of my bands with SimpleShot black. I switched to the South Wales Catty bands for a smoother draw but they would slip at the pouch no matter how hard I cranked on them with Amberbelt or Crystal String or a constrictor knot. The solution was; 1.) I tied the pouch like Wayne Martin's. 3 loose wraps, then 6 really tight ones in the middle, capped off with a square knot and 2.) I noticed the SniperSling microfiber Shark and pit pouches I was using would make tiny cuts on my bands due to the tiny holes, and the latex constantly rubbed against it every shot . I switched to the small SimpleShot pouches with bigger pouch tying holes, so now my maxxed SWC reds last really long without slipping issues and I get longer band life. Hope this helps brother!

@ATOMark

Жыл бұрын

I used to use the belt and I did the same thing. Did some loose wraps then tied it tight. I used to even pull on the edges to roll up the edges of the belt to stop it from cutting into the bands. Worked like a charm then problems. So I switched to the string and it worked like a charm for a while but it seems these smooth bands like jinpu, gzk clear green and these snipersling green give me the same problem. With yellow no problem.

👊 Omega Slings subbed 👊

Excellent video 👍

@ATOMark

Жыл бұрын

Thanks bro

Thanks Mark! New Hampshire checking in. New Snipersling green? I just ordered. Stay safe bub!

@ATOMark

Жыл бұрын

Yes sir. Ite them good and tight or band life will just be ok

Fine line between stretching enough or too much when tying pouches. I shoot TTF bands on OTT frames often, works great.

@ATOMark

Жыл бұрын

I know! I was stretching them too much when I first started out I dialed it back a little and solved the problem. Now it seems like they are making elastic more smooth and I am having trouble finding the sweet spot. Elastic like bsb seem to have a little texture to them and seem to hold better. This snipersling, gzk transparent green and junpu seem to give me the same issues.

Informative testing. Pheasant head distance game is one of my favourites. I use roughly the Catty Shack method, but finish with wrap and and tuck as the knot scuffed my cheek, use a few more wraps than many, 6-7 tight ones. I think it's harder to avoid the slipping when you get closer to max on a band set as there's no give left and I personally prefer how flat the simple fold sits most of the time, but it's useful to know for wide bands in a smaller pouch hole.

@ATOMark

Жыл бұрын

I love that pheasant head. The ones on the wire spring are fun too. Ya it these were close to maxed I wouldn't have a problem with 235 shots. But they are not even close to maxed. I got a full 6-8 inches of extra stretch.

@mrln247

Жыл бұрын

@@ATOMark I used tube cuffs for ages but they need to be fairly long to not slip so also tried a backup constrictor knot over the centre of the cuff. These days I use the amber belt but do the 3 soft looser wraps and then a bunch tight on the centre, more wraps=more clamping pressure I added until nothing slipped.

@ATOMark

Жыл бұрын

I thought of doing a cuff with knot. Just seems like too much work. Just cuffs alone slip a little for me because I almost max out my bands. I am going to give the constrictor knot some good testing and see if I can find a better option than Cristal string.

@mrln247

Жыл бұрын

@@ATOMark Heard of a few guys using archery whipping twine, double constrictor knot holds harder. You could also try some of the fishing hook knots. Way back near my beginning I used a whipping type knot with dental floss I found it in a Chinese video.

@ATOMark

Жыл бұрын

I have a set going pretty well with a butchers cord constrictor knot that is doing really well. I may continue useing it.

Hi mark just wanted to say a big hello and a thank you for getting me into catapulting after watching your KZread channel I've only been catapulting a week but it's fun and and helps with my depression so thanks anyways i was wondering what speeds you are getting from the snipersling green band and at what tappers

@ATOMark

7 ай бұрын

Hi my friend. I haven't really done any speed testing on the green bands yet. I was having problems with odd breaks then I got too busy and had to take a break from shooting. I would suggest using a constrictor knot for pouch attachment. I think it holds better. I have had better luck with constrictor knots.

I tie "TTF" bandsets for ott frames and find no difference at all. Great shooting as always!

Very useful info: thankyou. I also have a question: I am shooting TTF these days, but have a number of OTT bandsets that I don't want to go to waste. Could I use these TFF, or would I need to retie the pouches TTF style?

What determines the best for spread/ width for a person & whats a good width fork to start with ? 85mm or 90mm fork width .

TTF bands on OTT Frame from my experience is corect when setup creaate shape "V" when you draw bands. When setup and create "A" shape, it's not good for me I don't know for others but I have several fork hit with Shape "A". That's my opinion.

I’m shooting full butterfly with 9,5mm steel on high speed. Ive tried to shoot it ttf, but it’s impossible. Bands break after 1/10 shoots on the place where the bands hit the frame after release. Rounding the corners of the frame gives me a couple extra shoots. With ott i get around 100 shoots

I wish you where my grandpawpaw. Just educated the sh17 out of me. Thanks a million!

I find the crystal string has caused my bands to rip or break at the pouch so I went back to the thicker amber belt for both pouch and fork ends and have had less breakage at the pouch.

@ATOMark

Жыл бұрын

Ya I used the belts but found it was cutting my bands

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Thank you Mark. Great video. I question my self when I tie TTF band vs OTT. Does it make a difference if you shoot TTF on which orientation you tie??? I just went back to TTF. Struggling getting my folds nice and tidy on TTF.

@ATOMark

Жыл бұрын

No idea I don't shoot ttf very often. Actually I don't think I shot ttf this year lol. I don't see why you could inter change one and not the other though. Give it a try.

Hi Mark I've tried this before. Never had a problem. I've been using . 55 green south wales cattys. Which is great and very accurate, but doesn't last nearly as long as other brands. Cheers

@ATOMark

Жыл бұрын

What are you useing to tie your pouch on? I love that .55 elastic.

@ATOMark

Жыл бұрын

Have a look the next time you have a set fail and see if the knot is slipping like in the video.

@mattbatstone2825

Жыл бұрын

Crystal string. I was suffering from the knot moving so tied tighter. They are failing inside the pouch hole. Hope that makes sense. Thanks for your time

@ATOMark

Жыл бұрын

Wow, I have never seen that. I wonder how that happens.

@mattbatstone2825

Жыл бұрын

I though the inside of the pouch might be sharp. It wasn't. If I figure it out I'll get back to you. Thanks again

Anyone got any advice on stores in canada that have decent related stuff for sale? I hate having to order from the US. Takes a long time, and sometimes get hit with customs. Oh, amd does anyone sell tapered bands already made up? I’m not really interested in getting all set up to make my own right now.

Precise and simple-shot sell ready made band sets and they aren't marketed as ttf or ott. I've based my home made sets on the simple-shot band set ups and used them either way with no problem. Interesting.

@ATOMark

Жыл бұрын

Yup I used to get simpleshot bands when I first started out and was confused because the community was saying there were ttf and ott bands. I had always just made the ott sets for ott and ttf for ttf. I had found on my ttf frames the bands seemed to last a little longer so I gave it a try on my titan hunter. It shot flawlessly. I think it really makes no difference at all.

Hi Mark can I have your thoughts on the green as apossed to the yellow and black please

@ATOMark

11 ай бұрын

Yup. For me yellow is still the best good speed and best longevity. Green is nice but it seems to be hit and miss with the band sets. Black is still the fastest I believe but longevity is poop

Great video mark thanks 👍 is it a bad idea to use ott bands on a ttf frame

@ATOMark

11 ай бұрын

No idea I have never tried.

Yo guys,,good vid,,,and what frames are they,,and where can they be obtained,,,rgds Lesrobert

@ATOMark

6 ай бұрын

Titan hunter. www.catapultcarnage.co.uk/product-page/titanhunter Spitfire: facebook.com/profile.php?id=100083302570952&mibextid=2JQ9oc

Hey, Great video, I was curious I have yellow and green snipersling bands, but nothing to measure shooting speeds, I'm sure the green is in my case more elastic than the yellow, But in performance I don't know, what do you think? An upcoming test?

@ATOMark

Жыл бұрын

I have done speed tests with the tallow and they are some of my favorite bands. As for the green I need to so some more testing before I review them. I have been having band life issues with the green. Once I figure out why I'll review them.

@isaem5571

Жыл бұрын

@@ATOMark ok ! Super (:

Do you think the opposite is possible shooting OTT bands on a TTF slingshot??cheers Mark.

Wen u get a cheep Chinese frame they come with these bands im on about one is straight and one has a twist in it so wen u put it on ya ott frame u dont have the twist in the bands

Yep, sliding knot = broke band

Question...What slingshot forum are you on if any? Where are all the cool kids hanging out?

@ATOMark

Жыл бұрын

Slingshotforum.com and occasionally on slingshot community. Seem to be the best spots I have found.

@actualsurfer

Жыл бұрын

@@ATOMark Thank you. I just joined both last night "4130 Tactical" is my handle.

Nice catty and bands.

Hey Mark, After testing so many slingshots wich would be your first 3 picks to take to a competition ?

@ATOMark

Жыл бұрын

That's easy. Titan hunter, companion and Cygnus from Prime fork

@asdrubalpoker7069

Жыл бұрын

@@ATOMark you really like the 90mm wide. Lol

@ATOMark

Жыл бұрын

Lol yup. I think 90% of my slingshots are 90mm.

How about using rubber tubing at the pouch?

@ATOMark

Жыл бұрын

I have tried using cuffs and they slip because of the way I tie my bands.

@BasaysayTv

Жыл бұрын

@@ATOMark but some say's they're not having issues on that method

I shoot ttf bands on ott and ott bands on TTF and never noticed a difference mate either in fact iv got in my head I shoot better actually doing this iv got some videos on profile with this as proof there no difference it’s just a myth 👊🏻👊🏻🎯 wicked vid mate 🇬🇧

@ATOMark

Жыл бұрын

Thanks,glad you enjoyed it. Simpleshot sells their pre-made bands set up for ttf I think. Like you I am convinced there is no difference.

That y I don't use crystal string coz it slips like u showed all the time and there is a way with ttf bands to not get that twist in them the Chinese do it alot but can't remember how to do it now I think u put one side through normal and one upside-down I think am not sure if Jordan smuothers r his mate that did a video on it

@alandavies2180

Жыл бұрын

I'm trying to find the video so people don't fink iv gone crazy coz I'm not explaining it right

@ATOMark

Жыл бұрын

One of my buddies showed me the trick. I found it a pain to tie. Considering the bands shoot this well I don't think I would bother.

@jakkek238

11 ай бұрын

@@alandavies2180Do you mean pre-twisting bands when tieing?

Which slingshot is this

@ATOMark

6 ай бұрын

Titan hunter

Hi Mark what pouches are you using

@ATOMark

Жыл бұрын

I think they are called gill pouches from snipersling.

@matthewrimmer8616

Жыл бұрын

@@ATOMark cheers buddy ill give them a try

I hate this video!!!! Only because I've had a mental block forever with not being as consistent with ttf bands shooting ott 😢. I don't like to hear the truth that it's just me 😂😂. Anyway, one possibility is that shooting a ttf frame, the bands rebound thru the frame instead of smacking the front of it, increasing longevity? So it doesn't matter as much which way you tie them as much as frame/shooting style? You could test this by tying two identical ttf band sets and shooting one on a ttf frame and the other ott?

@ATOMark

Жыл бұрын

Bro I had a mental block too. Shit I wore glasses for my first shots. 😳