The lever is there to stop to governor when the lid is closed, it wasn't part of the electrical circuit. The brass tab on the right side was one half of the battery contacts.

@kruleworld

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, it's a brake to stop the music while it's closed. It was kind of funny it took vince a little while to work it out. that's why you need to take stuff apart and put it back together.

@skonkfactory

4 жыл бұрын

@@kruleworld I bet the battery was supposed to be one of those 4.5 volt flashlight batteries, and the top contact went to the metalwork.

@waynestyles4523

4 жыл бұрын

Yep, perfect answer. It's the same as the dancing ballerina as kid closed governor stopped

@damianbailey6258

4 жыл бұрын

@@waynestyles4523 no

@damianbailey6258

4 жыл бұрын

@@waynestyles4523 d

People that talk to themselves while they work make absolutely the BEST content. All of my personalities agree.

@ladymunch0

3 жыл бұрын

Tech Gorilla I totally agree! And not because I have people living in my head either! :) I am totally blind and absolutely love watching repair videos like this. Vince is such a good describer unlike so many other KZreadrs in the repair/restoration community who just put music over their videos .

The most beautiful part of repair is to see and hear the joy that the item was designed for. A music mechanism defines that beauty like no other. The music that mechanism makes hasn't been heard in probably 2 or 3 decades...

The song is 'The laughing song' from 'Die Fledermaus ' by Johann Strauss. The musical box movements are still available to buy ready to put into a box etc. The lead things at 25:05 are dampers. There are on the higher notes to stop them ringing on too much or else it would be just a muddled sound like playing the piano with the damper (loud) pedal on.

@charlesspringer4709

4 жыл бұрын

They are on the lower notes to add mass so that the "harp" does not need to be as long is it would otherwise.

"Who cannot like that?" You said it all. Nice video, Vince. Cheers from Greece.

I love it when you work on these older pieces. The mechanisms are fascinating to see taken apart.

What a nice mechanism. I love how things worked so well in the past without electricity at all.

The battery is 4.5 volts and is placed vertically with the contacts facing the wall of the case. One battery contact is fixed to the black cable plate and the other battery contact is free. When you open the case lid, the red wire contact touches the top contact of the battery and turns on the light.

Just wanted to say thank you for making these kinds of videos... Your attention to detail and respect for the past of the pieces you work on is so appreciated and satisfying the OCD corners of my mind. I think I could watch indefinitly a zoom-in of these pins pinging while the barrel rolls listening to the tune. So many hours of work/thought put on that! Thanks again and hope you stay safe and healthy.

You could isolate the pins, and ground the light through them. So it would blink with the notes being played...

Great video fantastic mechanism with the governor spinning round really nice piece of engineering that and still works to this day well it does now thanks to you. You got a real bargain something to treasure. Stay safe and see you in the next.

What a nice example of TLC :) Thanks Vince.

I agree! The broken piece was connected to the red wire and would ave been isolated from the frame much like the negative was. When it broke off it allowed it to make contact, unless it was an earth positive system, but I have only ever heard of those on very old cars. It would just take a AA or AAA batter set right in that little space.

What a lovely box. I wonder if it held writing things or maybe it was for cigars. The musical movement sounds wonderful when its all back inside and magnified by the box. Really interesting fix.

What a lovely item, and looked like you enjoyed working on it.

Perhaps the light flashes with the music? (Only creating a circuit when it’s touching the pins?) - also there is normally a pin sticking up from the bottom (rather than down from top), so when lid opens, it releases the governor.

Hi Vince you did a great fix loved the video never got to see before how a music box mechinism works but now i know thanks to you

Those little mechanisms were usually bought cheap in hardware stores and men would make these boxes for their loved ones. An interesting refurb Vince :)

@Mymatevince

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers Paul :-)

Nicely done!!! 👍👍👍

I love watching you fix mechanical things

Thanks to this channel I ha e taken on a psvita repair just waiting for it to arrive along with the parts.

This was such a nice one Vince. Very relaxing and fascinating to watch.

(22:25) - Yes of course you keep all that because it was made at the factory. It's not a mod. It's part of the mechanism that stops the regulator/governor when the box lid is closed. That wiry looking thing is simply a spring. >

Hello Vince, I've watched your videos since your Mr Telephone days. This was one of the best. Such a joy to listen to you figure this out but the mechanical mechanism was just brilliant to see in action. Keep up the great videos

watch battery behind the bulb holder, then the lever that stops and starts the music has one wire to the bulb attached and the other connects to the whole mechanism, basically make the pivot switch stop and start the music and be the switch for the bulb

I was about to scream at you but wanted to wait to see if you figured it out. The red wire should be isolated and run to a tab separately long the top, the tab being the positive battery terminal. The black wire should be run to the tab that hangs over the actuating arm. Then the chassis of the music box should be grounded to a tab at the bottom for the negative battery terminal. That way, when you open the box, the start/stop arm (Ground) lifts up and makes contact with the tab (the one with the black wire leading to the bulb) that is hanging over it, completing the circuit. There is room next to the music box for the battery. Not sure if it is worth it, because all you are doing is lighting up the inside of a closed box. But if you have nothing better to do....maybe if you made the upper part out of white acrylic?

Amazing skills. And when you think someone built that maybe 100 years ago.... Gives me goosebumps.

nice way to spend a Sunday in lockdown watching your videos, Brilliant Video :)

The ninth fork from the left (as you look at it) sounds horribly out of tune to my ear. It's almost half way in between an A and a Bb. If you decide to take it apart again Vince, have a look at the felt pad and see if you can tune it. :)

@saturnuria1217

4 жыл бұрын

I was listening straight through my laptop speakers and I wasn't getting many of the lower notes at all. On second listen, through headphones, I think there are quite a few of the lower notes which are out although not by as much as that particular one.

@JohnGotts

4 жыл бұрын

Use a free Android guitar tuning app like gStrings. You will be able to tune each prong exactly by adding or removing solder.

@zierlyn

4 жыл бұрын

I'm so glad Vince tried moving it over one peg. I was curious if it would sound better... as soon as he started it I winced. "Nope! Move it back, move it back! You had it right the first time!" Haha.

The blobs are tuning weights to adjust the tone frequency. The felt is used as dampener to reduce the metal scraching sound which appears on deeper notes.

@101fng

4 жыл бұрын

The Good Guy he could handle tuning. He’s used an audio spectrum analyzer app in his Walkman series. He’d need to at least know the song’s key but that’s just a google search away.

@JohnGotts

4 жыл бұрын

Any free Android guitar tuner program would work.

According to the Gueissaz website the company was founded in 1848. From what I have seen all of their products, regardless of date of manufacture, have that date on them. From photos of many mechanisms I've seen, the stop bar is bent to fit each application depending on where the box lid has a protrusion available.

Great stuff Vince you could probably use a small dc motor in place of the governor it would slow it down with the load of the light on their...To generator power for the light.. But not worth the effort doing that....Anyways keep the videos coming as we are bored at home..

Excellent =D Wonderful look at a music box!

@Mymatevince

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Chris :-)

The bent brass tab you removed I believe is suppose to attach to the red wire and then sit between the music drum and the wood separator. The battery would then sit between the two brass tabs.

Thanks vince so nice to see this i always wanted one jus coz the mechanism looks so nice well done

Loved this one Vince. Great fix

@Mymatevince

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Mike, this one seemed easy compared to the intricate little gears you work on :-)

been doing a little research on the mechanism and from what I can find the mechanism in use here was changed after 1948. So looking at the materials in use and the machining techniques I would place it somewhere between 1900 and 1948. the box itself could have been made any time.

@Mymatevince

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for letting me know :-)

@tim_buck_too9126

4 жыл бұрын

@@Mymatevince the date on the mechanism is reflective of when the company started. The base is cast alloy so it suggests it was manufactured after 1900. From what I could dig up, that mechanism was in use up until 1948 so it's at least 70+ years old or could be as old as around 120 years. Looking at the box, the box itself is also quite old but at some time has definitely been added to - ie. the picture. Again you could assume the box is somewhere between 50 to 80 yrs old based on the patina and condition/type of wood

@gilles111

Жыл бұрын

The base looks like it is made out of zinc (or zinc alloy), the screws are of the pre-Philips head era. So my guess for it's age would be the late 1940's/early 1950's.

An interesting little music box,I’d say dating to the 50s at a pinch,maybe just after ww2 on the outside.they are lovely little machines with such delicate detail Thanks for bringing this to the blue mat VInce.

What that metal wire dose is stops the music from playing until you open the juley box it stoppes the wind thing that you where talking about

very good so simple yet so clever

I believe the spinning part which is called the governor is the generator of electricity for the light bulb to go on

@KarthusDreams

3 ай бұрын

Good point !

I wonder if an ultrasonic cleaner would be useful for this. Pop the spring assembly in that > re-oil > profit.

4m38s - note the two holes. Someone has took that off and at the very least added the notch for the (I assume) magnet clasp. How do I know? The holes are wrong way. Probably means originally it only had a hole to start/stop the music box. Someone then added the light and a hole and then finally modified it for the magnetic clasp. The post in the top looks shaped which means it probably used a clasp in the base that was “springy” to lock it. It may also be that post is the original and may have been used to operate the music box. Look for holes :) It’s also possible that surround for the music box was not originally there when the box was made. That looks like someone painted it once it was in place rather than the finish the rest of the box has. My theory is either there was no music box or it was uncovered and then boxed in, light added later and modified again for the magnetic clasp.

For some reason that was one of the more satisfying vids . Don't get me wrong I absolutely love watching your videos and don't miss any since i have subscribed . But working on old stuff like that is almost medicinal and calming love the vids Later

Shame you don’t see these today because there so fascinating

The “door closed” stopper would have a side effect of reducing the life of the spring, if it is closed for long periods of time while it’s wound up.

About to go to bed, look at the phone and see ‘Trying to Fix’ guess bed will have to wait :)

@lucaspagan3576

4 жыл бұрын

Boris Archby 👍

@howtowithelizabeth7513

4 жыл бұрын

Boris Archby put it in watch later next time u see a video u want to see before bed then go back and binge on all the videos u put in watch later

@borisarchby2

4 жыл бұрын

Elizabeth Marks-Graham if only I could :) I don’t have that level of self control. I just love his vids and have to watch when the alert appears :)

Looks like a gap for a AA battery to the right of the mechanism. That brass tab was probably one terminal, the other was what the black wire was fixed to.

While that just sounded like noise to me it's nice to hear something come back to life, no matter how horrible it sounds.

I'm glad you left the power wiring in. That's such an odd curio. :)

I like musical boxes!

Music choice love it

I think the light bulb was ran by a AA battery on the right side of the machine. The bras tab connected to the red wire supposed to be in the gap on top right side.

This turned out to be far more interesting than I assumed it would be

This wasn't as important as the other resurrection on this day but was very interesting none the less.

ICE CREAM so want an ice cream now lol, Great vid m8, so screeming at the screen lol

What a nice video Vince! It's indeed a long time since you did a mechanical item and if you did, it was one of those talking figures. Not that they are rubish or something like that, but an item such as this music box is, like you said many times in this video, very well-made so that you can repair it quite nicely and really enjoy the working mechanism at the end. Really, I love working on this kind of mechanisms too. Besides the light bulb issue, something is not quite right with the tuning of the notes and to correct that you have to tweak those blobs on the "needles", but I guess it is not that easy to do and it is in any case veeeeeery much trial and error. So, just leave it like it is I would suggest. And oh yeah, I really was laughing when you were aligning those needles to the barrel; I've done that a few times in the past and it is really a very time consuming job; but then, when it all works, it is sooooo satisfying... Anyway, great one really, keep on doing those mechanical ones, I love it!

Magic, thanks!

1st class video to watch thank you take care kind regards from me kenneth

I thought the light bulb might be lit by a dynamo mechanism somehow. As for the lid brake that starts and stops the music it's so obvious in hindsight, my mother has a jewelry box that does the same thing. It's nice when it is left wound up for a week or so then when you open the lid the tune would start playing.

just a thought, is there a watch style battery underneath the bulb?

The lamp might have been powered by a 3R12 battery. They were very common for many decades and the circuit for the light was probably was designed for the battery tabs.

Thanks!

You can fix some of the scratches on the wood by putting a damp cloth over them then use an iron to make steam.

I bet the bulb was wired with a spring switch. when you close the lid the tab on the bottom of the lid opens(breaks) the circuit but when you lift the lid the contact springs back to close the circuit. Very simple.

The brass piece you pulled out of the mechanism looks like it should have been attached to the red wire, it looks like there is just enough room on the right side of the mechanism for a battery. With the brass tab at the top against the wood.

Great video :)

Another cool vid love it

Did you knowingly use the My Time At Portia soundtrack in this upload Vince ? the tune playing while your oiling the mechanism is the intro from the game.

The tiny bracket on the end of the black cable is from a Condenser which controls the spark to the contact-breaker points inside the distributor on old cars. I don't think the box is anywhere near as old as the mechanism.

(24:35) - Just put the whole mechanism into an ultrasonic cleaner for thirty minutes, then give it a good oiling with some quality sewing machine oil. > Yeah, that watch oil is even better. >

You know, I've been thinking about the power generation thing. Even though its clear that it wasn't intended to generate power here's what I see. If the blade of the "air brake" were a bar magnet and there was a coil next to it, it could induce a current. Admittedly, it would be far too small a current for the light that's in it. But I bet if you collected that current into a capacitor, it could drive a modern LED for a little while.

Hi Vince, what is the song that played over your cleaning montage?

Unique item vince a carpenter would be able to repair the damage quite easily but whether it would be worth it not sure

You went back to using the wider finger as position one?

@Mymatevince

4 жыл бұрын

I did, I thought it sounded better :-)

they try to make the light flicker to the melodie

its amazing what you can fix with some cleaning 🙂

It is a motor that pulls it around or a spring. The drum moves at a speed and the light bulb is only a light or a resistor. If the bulb is broken you must replace it.

In case you end up selling it. The music is "Mein Herr Marquis, ein Mann wie Sie" by Johann Strauss from the Opera Die Fledermaus kzread.info/dash/bejne/iHehq6uAeKfFo8o.html

@Mymatevince

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much :-)

@philsey6913

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I came to the comments on this one hoping that somebody would identify it!

I wonder if the bulb was added during the war years for the blackouts it looks to have age

I think the handle is horn cow or something. If you look at "horn jewelry" its really similar.

Nice one my friend , that would be a great present for a child (or at least I think) I just love those old music boxes , when I was a child I remember I had Nintendo NES , but the music box was like magic to me - no battery, no electricity but still playing .

And for 10 bonus points.... Name that tune

Hi Vince, got a boring broken item. But probably popular in the current climate where a lot of people are doing DIY. I was using my Black and Decker Mouse sander and it started smelling of burning and it stopped working, I waited 10 minutes thinking it might have a heat protection device and it worked. I ended work for the day after more use and went to turn it on in the morning and it was dead, tried it a few times and it’s dead. Do you want me to sent it to you?

@maxz8807

4 жыл бұрын

That sounds like the brushes... look at the brushes (if it has brushes) cause I had a belt sander with the exact same thing. It worked, stopped, worked again and then it died completely. The brushes were just completely disintegrated...

Anyone remember when he used to do how to videos anyway great video

Never seen a circuit like it, but what I have seen is a circuit that is close to that, where the circuit is completed when the Brass chiming prongs touch the barrels pins by three different coloured lights each colour was insulated from the other colours circuit, any way long story short the lights would dance as the music played, and me thinks this circuit was an attempt to hack out something like the aforementioned..

@reacey

4 жыл бұрын

I thought that too, maybe that's why some of the pins have the insulation on, maybe they were trying to get the little lamp to light up on certain notes

Maybe you want to add a little rocker switch for the light bulb so you can turn it on and off anytime you want to

Chuck the bulb and wires away. Not meant to be there. The wire stops the govener when the lid is closed. Looks like someone, many years ago, made a music box out of a box! The wood under the mechanism does not look original, neither do the dividers. Still a very nice bit of history. Thank you.

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if you look back to the begining of your video, the left most tang on the tuning fork is in use ... and not the one with the felt on ...

would love to see a woodworker restore the outside!

Hi Vince, I love your videos!!! can I have a switch cause' I know you have a lot of them (;

if get the needle-roll on a blank spot to the fingers you have an open loop

Good vids

Looks like an old cigar box turned into a diy homemade music box.

36:50 penny drops for Mr Vince. :D

They not trying to make the light flash when a note is played? Wiring it to the teeth and barrow

@reacey

4 жыл бұрын

Someone has a brain! There's hope yet haha

Master

the handle is probably ivory and tortiose shell

The handle looks like it might be an old Mah-Jong piece.