"it must be really nice to live here but im gonna demolish it all and build a tram depot" made me crack up! 20:42

@Infrastructurist

Ай бұрын

Imminent domain boys!

@skippyznjif8233

26 күн бұрын

@@Infrastructurist murica

what about a new big giant hospital where the old bus depot was, since a city this size really should have one

@Oxygen.O2

Ай бұрын

+1 museum idea is nice, but more practical would be an hospital I think

@dagronborm2055

Ай бұрын

@@Oxygen.O2actually I also really like the museum idea for that location in downtown. I feel like a hospital might actually be better placed on the edge of the downtown area.

@Morkeoth

Ай бұрын

I AGREE !!! An Hospital ! A real one !! @infrastructurist You really don't think enough about some special building and stuff like that ! You should now that the city is big big ! :D

@abejasasesinasafricanas

Ай бұрын

@infrastructurist this is a cool idea, and you can maybe mix half giant hospital, half commercial mall or something like that

@owenschmidt6166

Ай бұрын

I don’t think one massive hospital is the way to go. Hospitals should be spread out to avoid cross contamination of patients.

You could do a elevated metro system, kind of like a monorail that goes on a bridge above or next to roads. This would solve your problem of not wanting an underground metro system, and it would probably lead to less destruction.

@aamersaleem99

Ай бұрын

Good idea, elevated express tram stop, elevated anything solves a lot of transit jammed routes.

I'd love to see a museum of some sort in the lot that replaced the bus depot, together with some further densification of Sunnyside Avenue. Downtown has been needing some cultural elements for a while and an art museum or a city history museum would be amazing!

@fixnbricks4390

Ай бұрын

Maybe a whole arts center would be cool too, I don’t know if the game has any concert venue looking areas, but it could be interesting to try to make a custom amphitheater

@BlackBull77

Ай бұрын

Yes to this

@buzzerbee9353

Ай бұрын

Yes, the downtown needs a huge big-footprint building like an expo center or a mall or a museum or a combination of all

@jonathanvandenklaassenvrie4022

Ай бұрын

great idea!

Your problem isn't the design of the transit hub, your problem is your entire transportation network. Long post ahead, you have been warned lol 👇: I think you could really benefit from approaching this transit system as a series of layers. This is a concept that I really don't see done right with a lot of CS series and it's very difficult to pull off. The best example of CS transit layering that I found was from Akruas' Asturis public transit overview video. It's a great video that executes this concept flawlessly. Basically the concept of layering your transit system is appointing (and more importantly committing) to functions that each technology of transit is meant to serve. For example, if your spine or core of your transit system is your trams then to layer it, you would design your bus routes to feed into your tram core. Sure it forces a transfer as a passenger in many cases but the trade off is taking public transit vehicles off the busiest roads which helps to alleviate traffic. Your next problem is that a lot of routes (both bus & tram) cannibalize each other which is a symptom of not layering your transit systems. You were starting to layer a bit when you adjusted the bus and tram networks by the airport but you can definitely take this much further. Transit cannibalization is when two or more routes reach the same stops and serve the same destinations and origins. I noticed particularly that Sycamore street has a lot of transit cannibalization happening between trams and bus routes. Furthermore all of the bus stops that feed into this transfer center are essentially cannibalizing each other at one point or another. To avoid this, you'll either need to redesign the buses to feed into the trams more or you'll need to reduce the amount of shared stops and interlining. If you plan on making the transit center the focal point of convergence, then you don't need to offer any more passenger route transfer opportunities along the way. CS1 and CS2 never really did handle interlining well so by simplifying the opportunities for passenger transfers, you also combat a game mechanic that has never really worked all that well. Firstly, I think that changing the entrance of the transit center will be beneficial overall. But I actually don't even think that you need to take it that far if you simplify your region's transit routes and apply the concept of layering your transit system. Here is what I would do before changing the entrance of the transit center: - I would first decide which transit technology will serve as your core/spine. I think that you're leaning towards trams but honestly, an American city of 90k population would never have a cluster of 40+ story towers like yours does. CS1 and CS2 never did have realistic populations that corresponded to real city infrastructure, so I honestly think that you could consider a metro system at this point since the population would never be realistic anyways. - Assuming that you stick with trams, I really only think you need 3 lines: Line 1 goes up and down Riverview in a straight North-South line, also connecting to the transit center; Line 2 goes up and down East Riverview in a straight North-South line; and then Line 3 would cross the river from East Riverview in a East-West line, and connect to the transit center in Riverview, granting a transfer opportunity between all tram lines at one point or another, pinging back and forth. Tl,DR: It's just 2x North-South lines in each city, and 1x East-West line that crosses the river and terminates/converges at the transit center. - After establishing the spine, I would eliminate all bus routes and re-do them from scratch so that they feed directly into the core transit system as passenger transfer stops, forcing a cim to transfer modalities. Avoid sending any buses across the river. If cims want to cross the river using public transit, they can transfer onto tram line 2. This will likely result in many smaller East-West aligned routes but this is what buses are designed for in real life in cities with multiple modalities of transit: buses feed passengers into the superior modality. Be strict with feeding your bus passengers into the tram lines! This won't feel natural with the way that you have been playing since these will likely just be East-West circulator routes that feed into the tram network but these kinds of changes happen when cities introduce a new layer of transit in real life. - For your outer bus lines, try to get them to terminate at the nearest tram stop, forcing modality transfers for passengers going into the city. This helps to alleviate traffic from downtown and again, it feeds into your core system that can handle higher passenger volumes. If you're concerned about getting Cims from point A to point B quickly, then it's time consider a metro system. Besides, you can use this opportunity to build park & ride infrastructure or little mini stations with 2-4 bus bays for your outer bus routes feeding into your transit system. - Definitely delete all express routes. Your roads are already full. I have only had express routes function properly once and that was back in CS1 with metro stations that had both passthrough stations and dual-platform stations pretty much eliminating interference from each other. Your express buses will be waiting for regular buses much like your express trams since they share the same roads. If you're gonna make a proper express route of any kind, with your layout, you'll need to separate the express route from the regular traffic and from the regular stops. And I don't think you have the space. - The only buses that I would place in the transit center as stops, are some intercity buses if it makes sense to do so. And maybe an East-West line or 2 in Riverview where it actually makes sense to terminate them at the transit center. Other than that, I would eliminate all other bus routes from the transit center since they should be feeding their passengers into the trams. The big idea behind this approach is to take the buses off of Sycamore street and get them feeding their passengers into the tram network which can carry more people per vehicle. There's just too many buses in the transit center, and that clogs up your roads. And all of the current bus routes interact with the current tram lines at one point or another; and I strongly think that those interactions should have those buses unloading their passengers onto the superior mode of transit. Hope that helps with some ideas!

@antorseax9492

Ай бұрын

No segregation of public transit?

@pinkpolorico8656

Ай бұрын

Been thinking along these lines for so long

@trayambakchakravarty

Ай бұрын

This is a really good comment! I'm curious as to why he hasn't developed his suburban rail system more, considering he has already built pretty well segregated districts like east riverview and Caldwell. Suburban rail could become the "spine" as you say for the entire metropolitan region.

@planisfo2317

Ай бұрын

​@@trayambakchakravarty what's a shame with the train at the moment is that the stations and the huge trains correspond much more to long-distance trains. No small suburban station or small commuter train.but in principle I totally agree

@jarnak7948

Ай бұрын

Just commenting for the effort

Riverview is my favourite thing to come out of CS2 😂 I love this series sm

@Oxygen.O2

Ай бұрын

Yeah, the other cities he does are great too, but I can't bother, this one I'm almost attached to haha

You need to grade separate pedestrians. The sheer amount of people crossing at your hub is causing delays

@truedarklander

Ай бұрын

grade separating pedestrians is a big no-no in my book

@bassk9379

Ай бұрын

I somewhat agree with mitch that your pedestrians trying to cross are causing delays. I would suggest building a pedestrian overpass or underpass across sycamore street all the way to your main train station that leads the pedestrians into the different bus and tram lanes and different train platforms for efficiency and eliminating most of your pedestrian road crossings

Hi, I have a suggestion about the tram depo. Instead of destroying a wealthy neighborhood and putting it in the middle of valuable real estate, it would make much more sense to put it on the abandoned tracks behind the yard. The history could be that it was built with the extension. If you have other plans for this area, built it near the airport or in an industrial area, where land is cheaper and people will not be botherd by construction or tram noise. These are the things that cities usually think about, so it would be much more realistic than destroying houses. Seccond recommendation: build a good commuter rail system. Even for north American standards, the number of passengers would justify a train line. The two express lines to east Riverview could be replaced by a commuter rail line. As other people said, you should consider multiple transit layers. Commuter trains and express bus lines go from downtown non-stop (on rails and highways) to suburbs (East Riverview, Kendrick etc.) The tram could also be more seperated, maybe with dedicated lanes. I also think that no tram should end at the hub. The demand is there, so just extend the Yard line to east Riverview and remove the express line, which is not realistic anyways. To finish on a positive note, I love this city, it's my favorite CS2 one. I hope you get to read this comment and consider it

Maybe add a capitol building or something to give the city a purpose

I'm a big fan of your vision for the development of this city. Looking at it, I thought you should consider adding elevated pedestrian crossings in the downtown hub to help ease traffic in that area. Watching from France! ;)

You could have just moved the red bus line stop to the other side of the road so it would use the exiting turn-around. 30:30 for reference

Bro i saw you on youtube like a week ago and in this week i finished the whole series and i am pantiently waiting for new episodes. Keep it up!

You're really going all in this Transit hub, happy to see where else this place goes✨

This is srsly my favorite c:s city build so far

I think you are probably one of the top CS2 builders. Some of the Cities 1 creators just couldn't learn the CS2 aesthetics to get it right. You are showcasing how great these cities can look with just a few mods.

not the first to suggest underground pedestrian crossing-but just wanted to highlight that there is a mod/asset whatever u wanna call it for a pretty nice pedestrian underpass

Love your city building - but it is your commentary that regularly makes me chuckle 😊 Entertaining stuff 👍

Really enjoying the public transport episodes. The transport hub is looking real nice. The overall look en feel of it is just so realistic. It actually reminds me alot of Oslo S her in Norway 😊

48:36 -- is there a stop at this off-ramp intentionally or is the node bugged? Looks like it's causing some significant bottle-necking of that highway bridge. Love the series by the way! Huge inspiration!

@Infrastructurist

Ай бұрын

Good question, i will have to investigate. And glad to hear you like it ❤️🥰

If you want express transportation, u kinda need it to be on its own separate route. Cant have express anything while sharing the same route as every other mode of transport. Won’t really work as a “express” line. A great remedy for this would be metro. Establish a metro network with express only routes. Then your system will work as intended. Sharing an express route tram line with every other tram line and bus line will just choke your system and forever back it up.

Very enjoyable, thank you. I demanded elevated pedestrian crossings before is was cool.

Gotta say, your thumbnails are perfect! Love the sims city/isometric influence

@Infrastructurist

Ай бұрын

Glad you like them! 😎

Love this series keep it up!

@Infrastructurist

Ай бұрын

Thank you!

People living in these skyscrapers' lower floors aint ever gonna see the sunlight Lol

I think that such a huge city should have a proper hospital, not just clinics. And that place left? Perfect for hospital.

The center needs some culture in my opinion, love the series and love the bit of building at the end, hope to see an all build episode the next time :)

I really appreciate your video. I always get inspiration but then fail miserably when trying to build something in my city

Every new video of yours is my new favourite

Some people have mentioned some sort of cultural center for the empty lot and I think that might the best option. A museum would be great or maybe a central library. Have you played around with separating the building upgrades from their parent buildings yet? Maybe take the library from the university and add it here. It would make a great historical landmark. Of course it's not functional, but you would still get the upgrade benefit. It would look great.

37:40 Thank youuuuuuuuu I waited for this the whole episode xD

@Infrastructurist

Ай бұрын

Agahahahahhaha i felt so stupid 😂😂😂😂😂

Hi awesome video as always ! Those tram lines seems very complicated, but you did very well. In the blank square maybe you can try to do an underground plaza. Ad some rounded shapes buildings to do an organic pit wich even can be use as an underground metro station. Even if your Tram lines and Bus line are becoming more and more efficients, maybe it's time to ad another type of transportation and the metro seems to be a good fit, even if it's an elevated line or an undergroud line. Dont know if CTS2 is doing very well with the metro but i'm sure you can find some realy cool assets in the workshop. Keep going man you're doing such a great job !

@Infrastructurist

Ай бұрын

Thanks a lot, and great suggestion!

that green space should become a lightly landscaped park! Maybe somewhere people can go for smaller music festivals or throw a frisbee around

You should keep the express green tram line and make it elevated to bypass the blue line

You can't set the traffic reduction value to 0 if you don't have Real Time mod. One day in game is like 1h in real life so you can't expect agents to go through the city that fast, that's why it's only TR value set to 0 + real time mod, or no real time mod and default TR value.

Thank you for your videos.

I would reconsider build a loop for the red tramline where the oneway-busway currently is. So the trams don't interfere that much turning around with the traffic on the street. Greatings

Something realistic that would really help with the pedestrian overcrowding at bus stops is to have an exit and entrance stop. One stop when it enters the hub, one when it leaves. For example, the bus can first have an exit stop , on a place where you have the most transfers (people leaving that bus), and then loop (or without loop), have an extra stop at the point where most people *enter* that bus. You can do this in a way to spread out transfers , which heavily reduced bunching and queues for waiting passengers.

@bruh666

Ай бұрын

Also it could be worth considering 2 or 3 extra pedestrian connections to the hub, so they don't all bunch up at the same crosswalk bottlenecks

My suggestion for a realistic-ish American city would be to fill the empty lot at the end with a multiple story urban shopping center (with underground or garage parking). My second suggestion would be an office "park", dense offices surrounding a plaza with some shops on the ground level.

I think what you did with the express tram line would be way more realistic if it was done with a train line.

Great video as always. Although I would love to see you expand the city and freeway network.

I would really advice a few pedestrian bridges around the transit hub, sycamore streek and roundabout area. I think this would really improve traffic flow further

I don't know if you've already placed it, but I think City Hall would look really nice in that empty plot!

You know ur day is going to be awesome when infrastructurist posts🔥🔥🔥

@Infrastructurist

Ай бұрын

🥰🥰🦄💪

@RbxRave

Ай бұрын

@@Infrastructurist NO WAY YOU RESPONDED YOU ARE MY FAVORITE KZreadR!

@Infrastructurist

Ай бұрын

@@RbxRave Thats awesome to hear 🥰

Maybe some kind of a civic center and plaza and/or parks? You could use some of the surrounding areas and redevelop that too. Also, I think it might be time for Riverview to get some kind of metro system 100k is pretty big for a city in CS2. (Maybe with elevated tracks to some of the growing suburbs?)

Given the densification and transit improvements that’ve been hitting downtown and the demand for new housing I think a big residential development would make sense.

I think extending the red tram line so it goes to the highschool and turns around there would be a good move. Could argue its for the HS residents in the area to get to and from school, and provide a good connection down sycamore st. (Plus stops trams going through the roundabout from 3 sides, reducing complexity at that junction).

A low rise open space walkable commercial facility like an old market sounds suitable for the old bus depot lot!

Easiest and best use for that plot is as another park 😃

Great video I like the infrastructure management videos!! might have missed it but it looks like there’s some street parking within the transit hub that should be removed.

This problem is exactly what happening at JR Hiroshima station, railway,trams and buses with multiple crossing and short intersection. But underground tunnel is the solution

In hindsight, that was a terrible place to put a transit hub.

@Infrastructurist

Ай бұрын

Hahahaha, I actually like it - but I admit that I had not foreseen just how busy this part of downtown would get 😂😂😂

@jforozco12

Ай бұрын

@@Infrastructurist very much like real life lmao

Just an idea for the reworked off ramp: How about you place a road stump on the crossing, wich was the former off ramp, just to have some ruins still existing there and not beeing demolished. I think this would be an interesting way to show some developement You also should use more pedestrian bridges to cross Sycamore Street. I mean, it is one of the most used main roads in whole Riverview, ohnly an insane person would habe a pedestrian crossing there, especially an unregulated without traffic lights. IRL it would be a death sentence to cross the street there. Also for your main bus routes: Use bigger busses to get more people moved.

I think a pedestrian bridge over sycamore street to connect poplar street to the metro hub could improve connectivity and let you remove the crossing on sycamore, improving traffic

you should make a Review East rail station or even metro station in East Riverview, as literally thousand of people want to go there, that'll surely relive some congestion in the hub and on streets

Nice episode as usual. Thanks. How about subterranean pedestrian pasagges to the transport hub?

My suggestion would be to duplicate the 6E express bus line using the same stop points you have. I think this can clear all the queues. Then also you can build fast train line between one of another and connect all at the central city.

Hello, me again! As you noticed, there's problem where cars don't understand the meaning of pink lanes and get the buses and trams stuck... So maybe a police station in the other side of Main street would help, with the cops having a direct view to the hub.

Tip, you can select which lines are visible in the line overview, makes it easier to manipulate lines running same street.

@Infrastructurist

Ай бұрын

Oh, nice! Thanks!

I hope to see a big dig type expressway like in Boston. Also a Hospital would be great where the bus deposit was. Have the express tram line go through love island.

For the empty spot I think you should try and see if one of the European signature buildings fits, the kinda circular one. I think it would be a great as redevelopment of an older area and very modern looking

when you build up this new place, you should maybe consider having a custom underground parking in this area.

The Public Library could be a good idea for the space of the old bus Depot.

A suggestion: could be a 15min neighbourhood complex. Mix use with a central focus

Many US cities feature Catholic churches in downtown settings. If available, that would be perfect for that vacant spot. Other places of worship would be nice for the region, too.

Just some "what I would do" tips. Why not seperate the busroutes from the tram routes around the station to let it flow freely? In stead of making a new buslane to sycamore street just let them use Dale Lane and Emmerson street to sycamore street. At the other end make a bus lane connecting from the city start of the riverview express way. The other route is already there, only make waypoints. When the tram and bus are seperated, the bus uses quiet roads to enter and exit the main roads and therefore make room for other trafic and the trams faster. What I also would do is elevate Dale lane to connect it to the elevated Emmerson street to make more space between the crossings. And in what I think is realistic in building a new tram depot, building a depot in a dence area where property prices are very high makes no sence. It is to expensive. Placing the depot just out if the city is realistic. The area where the depot is placed is just the right place of expensive hig(er) rised buildings. Love watching! Have fun

6:17 you can do an underground one it takes a small amount of space so it it can fit anywhere

Would love an episode of optimizing public services

The biggest thing this build is missing is more stop signs. North America loves stop signs that bus hub would be littered with them in reality and the crosswalk over sycamore street should have a dedicated traffic light. They would limit the ways to cross sycamore street to keep cars moving. You should remove all ways to cross sycamore street from the round about to the intersection where the buses enter and leave the station other than the one by the tram stop and add a traffic light just to control people crossing. If you have a mod to let you place stop signs only on side roads that would be more realistic and help your traffic a ton.

As the student of ecocity i am deeply hurt by removal of every greenery in this episode : And for the empty space, I imagine a new eco-friendly residential/commercial/office development with an built in park for residents, and users, with a linear park that stretches along the road from there, to the cementery, something like The High Line in New York.

@hydrusiowy

Ай бұрын

not me seeing two dollars's video 2 hours later c;

Kind of a random question, how did you get so many red trees mixing with the green ones? Is it a mod or just a map thing? Could also be the seasons and me just not noticing. But they look beautiful!

For the blank space in the city replacing the depot, how about creating something like the Barbican Centre in London? With a park / water in the middle with high end medium residential surrounding it on all 4 sides?

There is really only one thing that makes sense for the big empty plot: A HUGE parking lot!

I don’t know if the space allows for it but you could put the Näsinneula (a very high tower) in the bus depot space

the old bus station could be a custom underground local train station, or yeah replace with an extremely modern high end appartments ! Or, if you want to reaaaallly be realistic on it being an american city, just replace it with a parking lot...

Elevated or underground pedestrian crossings 🤙🤙🤙

That old bus hub could probably be upgraded to a metro depot? Coild help act as express way for the blue tram line

While you did the overhaul of sycamore Street you could have upgrade the section near the roundabout to a 6 lane road

You could build a gigantic stadium there as the state team has that as their home stadium.

Pedestrian overpass / underpass crossings for the transport hub so that people can avoid crossing the road all so much and more easily.

The most American thing would have been to build a lot of parking lots and a big interchange to this transit hub. :D

riverview is crying out for a Great Society style metro, but since it is a small city, i am thinking taking inspiration from baltimore would be a good idea, since its a single line system

I think you should do rails and pedestrian bridges around the hub ! rails or trains would be much faster and utilises the central

Why not build the station multiple levels? Busses one floor down and tram and passengers above

20:40 VENGEANCE

Pls show 1st pov scenarios or follow random people in 1st person view so we can appreciate the city more!! ❤

Our tram line is overloaded. What should we do? European cities: Let's create dedicated tram lines. Trams will be able to travel along the line faster and more often, carrying more passengers. North American cities: We will create an express tram line in mixed traffic and without the possibility of overtaking local trams. Riverview is indeed a very North American city. 😄😄😄

Have you seen the extra3.0 mod? Its great for details

I thought a pedestrian bridge over Sycamore Street would have been a nice solution. Someone needs to make a compact version.

can somone help me, I was wondering what mod he is using for placing the prebuild building f.e. the offices in 41:32

Also are u going to upgrade that water front arterial road to a full size freeway? I feel like that’ll be dope. And is definitely something you’ll see in the US. Big waste of space highway cutting through prime real estate

Please separate your trams as much as possible (more than that), because fighting cars with trams blocked by cars is not the way to go. (For instance use raillines on lindsberg street or put your trams on backstreets behind dense areas to be efficient but not on avenues. And your could hierarchize your sytems more because interlingning is not really efficient, for instance : there is no resaon for a bus parallel to the trams to the airport (at least on the common part)

god that bus hub is an absolute mess, i cant imagine how pissed the citizens irl would be if that was the reason the traffic is always backed up :D

is there a double decker bus mod? if not its v needed!

You have a major city wide hub at a major intersection you might need a knew freeway to divert traffic

It wouldn’t be an American city without using the vacant spot to expand it and put a stadium in the houses spot. See LA and Dodger stadium, San Diego and Padres, Atlanta and Falcons, Baltimore and Oriole Park, and too many examples to list in America. America loves to displace people for sports teams.

i would put a new avenue continuing the new off-ramp.. it would look sick driving trough it

A pedestrian brings will be handy!

@brentschmogbert

7 күн бұрын

What

Could you consider posting riverview as a save game on paradox mods ??

is an elevated metro system in Riverview's future?

I only played it for 6 hours when it came out and when I see the buses crushing the pedestrians on the crossings, the shadows, I'm still hesitant to reinstall it for the moment But your city is great