I sense a slight hint of irony in this video

@paulthiel5145

3 ай бұрын

I would even upgrade that statement to "sarcasm" 😬

@Patrick_wire

3 ай бұрын

I sense a suspicious release date for this 😂

@bastianlind2008

3 ай бұрын

​@@paulthiel5145 I was thinking the same not irony but sarcasm

@darth_yoda

28 күн бұрын

Only a slight? XD

@KHValby

16 күн бұрын

And you´d be right 😀

There is a big difference between a BRT and a normal bus. The BRT has covers that hides the rear wheels. That makes it so much better and more BRT than anything. 😉😝😂

@wouterpaap9343

3 ай бұрын

You might be forgetting that the BRT is not at all yellow and red, its is yellow and sky blue, another huge advantage!

@Christian29200

3 ай бұрын

@@wouterpaap9343 Yellow and sky blue clearly adds 25 km/h to the top speed (when its eventually not stuck behind 3 other 5Cs and 20 taxies for once) but the whel covers. Think of the aerodynamics. That will definitely only add 3 hours to the delay when one eventually falls off at speed. Fantastic way to cock it up. Way to go Copenhagen. I'll take Odense Letbane any day of the week now that they seem to have sorted most of the issues out (Apart from the tram drivers hitting cars at the Stadium, hitting pedestrians, hitting bicycles etc)

@Redstarka22

3 ай бұрын

@@Christian29200 the Odense Letbane hungers for the blood sacrifice of others in traffic.

@PaulFisher

3 ай бұрын

BRT stands for Beautiful Rear Tires

@NATO4623

3 ай бұрын

There is a difference though ,for the regular bus there is 4 doors and the front door is double doors but the brt have 5 doors and the front door is a single door look at 2:30 which is the brt and 4:41 which is the normal bus and at 4:53 the seat layout ans the seat itself is a bit different 😅then the brt 😅

lol "level boarding" you got me

@pbilk

Ай бұрын

Haha. I took a second look because I thought I was actually missing it.

nothing greater than when a city cheaps out on public transit!

The funny thing is that as an American these buses look really nice and it took me a sec to realize that it was an April fools video.

@yaush_

3 ай бұрын

I don’t know where you’re from but we have a frustratingly similar situation in Boston. The Silver line is more of a real BRT than this, but it was really supposed to be a train. They ran out of money, so they had to make it brt instead.

@flickrscreen

3 ай бұрын

@@yaush_ They never run out of money, just change spending priorities.

@SteveGettingAroundPhilly

24 күн бұрын

​@yaush_ Silver Line was always supposed to be a bus, essentially replacing old Orange Line when the old Elevated Line was demolished and moved underground. It just became the poster child for the phenomenon of "BRT Creep" where BRTs get worse and worse throughout the development process by doing it for cheap. Maybe it can be part of the Green Line one day, but for now it's just sad.

@JanR1995

13 күн бұрын

You don't get it. They are no busses. They are BRT. That is the problem.

Thank God, there was enough space left for advertising screens!

You're telling me random hourly routes in Copenhagen's semi-rural exurbs have charge sockets but the 5C doesn't??

@jg-7780

3 ай бұрын

Yeah pretty much. Source: Spent 5 months studying there on exchange

@drdewott9154

3 ай бұрын

Yup. The 5C buses were ordered before that became a requirement. Also hey Miles. Nice seeing you here and witnessing the wonders of "peak public transit", second only to the autonomous Light metro. Though we still struggle to reach the peak set by Detroit here in Copenhagen.

@Simon-Andersen

3 ай бұрын

Yup pretty much!

I'm still stuck on the lack of plug sockets. I live in a rural area in England, not exactly known for its transport in the first place... and our local bus route into the city has USB charging ports under every seat, and also free on-board Wi-Fi.

@eldrago19

3 ай бұрын

The Wi-Fi in my area is still ropey, but yeah my rural area got USB charging last year. I think planners simply go "all busses are the same" and keep cutting corners.

@caam0000

3 ай бұрын

The 5c does have free wifi.

The fact that they cut the frequency is really the cherry on top. It shows people who decide on such projects are usually disconnected from reality and believe that the problem is that the bus does not have a fancy appearance or good marketing.

@drdewott9154

3 ай бұрын

Yeah. Here in Copenhagen every single case where a route has received larger vehicles, it has resulted in service cutbacks. Only 2 lines in the city use articulated buses at all, the 5C and 2A. When the 2A switched from normal triaxle buses to articulated buses, its frequency was also slashed from every 4 minutes to every 7.5 at peak periods.

@PerCPH2200

3 ай бұрын

If course the frequency was cut - with fewer buses ordered than the number previously operating the (shorter) regular route. The thought was that the capacity, in terms of number of seats/standees per hour would be the same, given the higher capacity. Something which work well on a piece of paper. Reality... errr... not so much. And when you talk about frequency... try to get hold of some of the bus-schedules from the 1960s immediately after the original tram-lines were replaced by buses.... Almost all lines, even secondary got 3-5 minute intervals - and the many new standard buses were certified to carry 90+ passengers. The main problem in Copenhagen was bad post-war planning.... in the critical years 1945-1960 only 8 new tramcars were built, most of the original 1902-1905 vehicles still lingered on, together with some subsequent pre-WW2 additions to cope with expansion. This unfortunately had the same consequence as seen abroad, the citizens and their politician considered trams as something old fashioned and outdated - compared with all the new buses which were acquired during the post-war years! The 100 new trams during the 1960s was too few and too late - the public and official verdict was already in, and the system was doomed. In my world, as long as there is anyone still remembering the system in the 1960ssystem with the old worn-down rattling trams, any proposals of re-building a tram-system worth the name is doomed from the outset. That was why the decision-makers instead opted for the 'mini-metro' instead back in the 1990s when the decision was made. And those bringing up "the narrow streets of Copenhagen" are kindly reminded of cities like Amsterdam....

@theoman779

3 ай бұрын

@@PerCPH2200 I think this shows that implementation is key. If you implement a solution badly, no matter if you call it Metro, tram or BRT, it's going to leave a sour taste in people's mouths. And this is a problem if you are actually advocating for public transport as it will cause people to distrust you in the future and be hesitant to any future proposals.

@Mgameing123

3 ай бұрын

@@drdewott9154 To be honest that not too bad of a cut and is probabally for the better if the buses keep on bunching. But has the services got more crowded since the cuts?

@TomWatson-vu6fj

3 ай бұрын

@@drdewott9154Where I live in Germany I could only dream of such frequencies haha. Also those protected bike lanes I see I. The video

Thanks for reminding me that it's prank day

You forgot to show revolutionary Nørrebro Station, which features a definitely spacious and safe enough stop for one of the lines busiest transfer points. Three - four busses of the same 5C line, or nothing at all? That's what Copenhagen Municipality calls revolutionary.

@drdewott9154

3 ай бұрын

And lets not forget how in 2021, they were handed 50% funding to convert the northern part of the line to Light rail, but they refused immediately and politicians from Venstre and Konservative even compared tram tracks directly to the Berlin Wall. Absolute absurdity.

I didn't get that this was satire at first. As an American, those busses and bus lanes are amazing!

Excellent irony, Simon! Thank you. Although this is April Fool's Day, this is not a joke. Glad you featured the rough riding quality because any bus ride is only as good as the road surface. We must also remember that all rubber-tyred vehicles produce lots of run-off polution and carcinogenic air particulates.

@ivveG

3 ай бұрын

Yes! In Sweden the number is around 40 kg of particulate matter per person per year from road traffic. That's insane.

@trainrover

3 ай бұрын

bendy buses are crap .. telling how London hastily scrapped theirs post-introduction 👏👏👏

@kingcoong

3 ай бұрын

Ride quality also depends on the bus driver as well. In my city, 80% of drivers slam the brake 3-4 times just to stop at the red light and station.

@trainrover

3 ай бұрын

operators here also drive their fleets shittily, yet my years in London showed that those ones didn't (too much congestion most of the time), so their relieving themselves of *a l l* their articulated ones *m u s t* be saying something about these effing rejects

@trainrover

3 ай бұрын

there had been decades of zanily speedy drivers along the (especial) nighttime routes who'd customarily jet down open streets, clipping 55MPH / 90KPH .. the fleets would lurch every which way plying the west's finest roadways hereabouts .. the following shows how nighttimers now take to clogging even expressway lanes, elevated or entrenched: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ioyNlLmGpNbcpNI.html ;)

it’s unreal how much this is like malmö, our “BRT” line even shares the number 5

Steel rails laid between communities represent connection and commitment. As easily and quickly as this BUS was introduced, it can be withdrawn, and that's the end of that. I also note that the narrator acknowledged that buses get stuck in traffic. Trams and light rail have dedicated tracks and right-of-way.

@constancel4211

3 ай бұрын

Trams don't necessarily have dedicated right-of-ways. It common in older system to have car lanes over the rails. I think it's good to have busses and trams share the same space under certain conditions, if it improves bus lines : if you have a very good trunk tram lines but busses are slow and stuck in traffic, that's not a good transit system.

@lzh4950

Ай бұрын

"As easily and quickly as this BUS was introduced, it can be withdrawn..." My country would probably call that financial prudence & "conservation of scarce resources"

Wow! I'm sure this revolutionary new approach to public transit will totally transform our cities all over the world! So much innovation!

Yep. Seems like Copenhagen loves hot air castles to keep everyone happy and proud of the achievements they made in the past 25 years.

I recently flew from CPH to München. We didn’t land at a terminal, so we had to take a bus, and I was surprised to board a 5C with plain grey interior. I instinctively even went to check in with my rejsekort, but the terminals were obviously not there. I looked around to see if anyone else was as surprised and intruiged as I was, but everyone else seemed to just be in airtravel mode - that is, slightly annoyed and stressed and bored.

@Simon-Andersen

24 күн бұрын

Intresting must have been some kind of either replacement bus or something, ive never seen that on the 5C? Maybe you got a rail replacement bus for the metro or railway that also goes to the airport?

A bus will never be a superior form of transport to a tram.

@patfre

24 күн бұрын

A tram is the worst form of transport because of people stupidity. A metro is far superior just saying

@mathewferstl7042

9 күн бұрын

​​@@patfremate, they are not comparable. Totally different use cases, cacpity, costs and impacts. Light Rails have their place and so metros

European transit and sarcasm is next level 😂

man en sjov video. ironien er så tyk som sirup. god første April

@MulleMap

3 ай бұрын

Tykkere end ozonlaget

I respect the Aalborg Plusbus. I hate how the government didn't want to give money to fund a tram but atleast the council tried to do the best they can to provide an improvement on the corridor.

The funny thing is that the times when I've traveled on this bus route, the buses have always been half full to empty cause everyone just takes route 250S (the actual express bus) that runs the same route and only stops at the larger stops. The problem is that route 250S only depaurts every 15-20 minutes so that bus is always overcrowded... To and from the Airport people take the metro instead as it's much quicker than the 5C...

@williamhansen9456

3 ай бұрын

Yeah but 5A used to be packed super tight everyday in rush hour. It's amazing what a difference better frequency makes. And dreadful what a difference worse frequency makes.

@lovfro

8 күн бұрын

The crowding of the 250S is a real problem. 250S is the only real viable transportation option that can bring me home, unless I want to spend an additional half hour touring Kongelunden in a 33 or go to the airport for a 35 and have a long walk home or a wait of a 33 or 250S at end of their lines. It really needs to run more often, especially at peak hours.

This ‘BRT’ is just a standard for normal buses

@jattikuukunen

3 ай бұрын

Butt Regular Transit

Tak for et godt grin Simon, det hele er desværre sandt :-)

Bus Rapid Transit is actually a good thing for high use bus routes. But it is NOT a replacement for a tram or a train, it is simply supposed to be another tool that you can use to improve public transport in an area. But if they're trying to sell Bus Rapid Transit as a tram replacement, RUN, don't walk away, but RUN. Funny enough, the CityLine is what they call the BRT system in Spokane, Washington, US.....and it has all the same issues that you mention here, except I will give it credit for having level boarding.

i KNEW i recognized that bus from somewhere! Norreport has this bus, and i went on it as a timesaver to get to a bar i like going to every so often.

I don't think BRT systems are for big cities. Hamburg is the best example here. It's a shame that many cities, especially German cities, tend to rely on buses and thus continue to have massive problems with particulate matter. In Hamburg, this situation is now being cemented with the U5 underground line, which makes me think of Switzerland. With this video you have impressively shown why BRT is nothing ^^ Thank you

@bahnspotterEU

3 ай бұрын

Most German cities have trams or light rail. Hamburg is the only major city not to have such a network, because they foolishly demolished theirs in the late 70s.

@n.bastians8633

3 ай бұрын

@@bahnspotterEUWiesbaden removed its trams and does "like" to call itself the largest German city without urban rail (whether true or not). The local government proposed light rail a few years ago, but voters rejected it. Kiel also ditched its trams, but has apparently decided to rebuilt basically its entire historical network (with some tweaks). The largest place outside Hamburg without (almost) any trams is of course West Berlin, which removed its entire network and only recently got some minor extensions out of East Berlin.

@preusencountryball

3 ай бұрын

​@@n.bastians8633*sigh*don't get me started on the buses in Wiesbaden..😭

@hylje

3 ай бұрын

Big cities need small transit lines too. BRT should be the standard for any reasonably frequent (10min or less) bus line, of which there are plenty even in cities with massive passenger train networks.

@michaelb4047

3 ай бұрын

@@hylje Do you know the Metrobus system in Hamburg? It was once planned as a BRT, but systematically it is more of a city bus. Are there any functioning BRT systems?

Great vid! Here you tap to open the bus door, but they always open all the doors on the tram for some reason.

Well done, Simon. You fooled me! I thought someone in Copenhagen (not you) actually thought a BRT was as good as a tram or light rail and you were proving they were idiots. My nearest city (Bristol, UK) tried to convince us their metrobus was a good alternative. IT'S A BUS, people!

@spaghettojesusinc

Ай бұрын

good brt and guided busways are very good and can be as good as a tram (or better) if built correctly. For example, Birmingham Metro mixes with traffic in the city centre and opens it's doors at stations for about 5 seconds. It's frequency is also around 12 mins which is terrible. Metrobus seems alright and priority measures have actually been made, although, the 30 second guided busway on the P&R line is a bit useless.

Amazing video Simon!! You have really good videos, you channel is very interesting, so I'm suscribed. Greetings

@Simon-Andersen

3 ай бұрын

Thank you very much!

5c må være et mareridt at tage til arbejde/skole. HADER at køre med den når jeg er i kbh..

@MulleMap

3 ай бұрын

Samme her, foretrækker til hver en tid 350s

In some parts this reminds me of bus 12 of Utrecht, also known as the sardine (can) line. They used to drive massive double articulated busses until the line was recently replaced by a brand new tram line.

I think there is a bit of video on your irony

@Simon-Andersen

3 ай бұрын

I think you might be right

Those are nice to have when total train stop requires lots of train busses 😊

Future of transportation indeed. I love this so much

I forgot what day it was. 😋 Good one man, good one, totally got me.

Looking forward to seeing the performance numbers for the Light Rail for Copenhagen, it's not the same route as the 5C, but it should prove a point when comparing it to the infamous 300S line. @Simon Andersen Do you know the amount of passengers 300S is/used to be taking?

@Simon-Andersen

12 күн бұрын

Movia publishes their passenger numbers so should be easy to find. Very much looking forward to the new light rail

This is why the BRT Standard needs to be more widely adopted, and referenced in legislation.

We did the exact same thing in Hamburg around the 70's with ripping of tram tracks and replacing them with puny busses. Today we suffer just from everything you mentioned in this video. Yet our brilliant politicians still talk about buliding the biggest bus network in europe and trams as being monsters of steel ("Stahlungetümer"). This is soo devestating...... 😭😭

What’s also funny: MAN designed a special, more modern front end for these BRT buses, completely different to all other MANs, as well as rear wheel covers to make the buses look more streamlined. Except… They took both of these things DIRECTLY from the Neoplan Centroliner Evolution, which was designed way back in 2002, by a competitor which MAN later purchased and cancelled (except for their coaches) 😢😂

@sjokomelk

3 ай бұрын

That’s Volkswagen for you. (MAN/Scania are the trucks and buses made by VW)

@GermanPerfectionist

3 ай бұрын

@@sjokomelkI know, I’m a bus driver myself. Sadly the same fate has now also reached Scania, with the whole city bus production being cancelled just months after they released a brand new model…

in my city (and many in america) this would be an urbanism miracle

In DK there is another BRT in Aalborg with Plusbus.

Most of the traffic corridors out of Copenhagen have a dedicated S-train or a metro-line, but Brønshøj Husum is a dead spot in the Copenhagen traffic planning. Locals have been lobbying for a metro-line or a light-rail, but so far it hasn't happened. Perhaps Brønshøj will be next in line after the upcoming metro to Amager and Nordhavn. Or perhaps the politicians are planning to wait for the current worker shortage to be over.

LMAO, Simon! It reminds me of trams vs. buses in Bordeaux. Trams? Excellent. Buses? Not so much.

As a fellow MOTOLO student. This was great! As a former user of 5C. This was so true!

We would love these buses in Toronto ❤

I see an excellent april 1 video.

God I love cars and being stuck in traffic and parking lots by the side of the road and car culture dominating our cities

looks a lot like something from early 2000

If you really like this kind of BRT you should try Malmö Expressen and Helsingborgs Expressen 😅

@drdewott9154

3 ай бұрын

Well yeah, this is Copenhagens attempt at copying Malmö Expressen. Malmö Expressen is what started this insanity wave of BRT promotion across Denmark which is still continuing to this day, with BRT being claimed as being just as good and in many cases even better than Light rail, often with completely false information. But yeah this is Copenhagens attempt at copying Malmös homework and putting in even less effort. A proper light rail proposal existed around the same time but the city turned it down in favour of copying Malmö.

1:30 Er det bare mig, eller er bussen i den forkerte vejbane? Dvs. i den bane som modkørende/ankommende trafik bruger? 🤔🧐

@tobiastrier

3 ай бұрын

Der er ensrettet i sløjfen og plads til 2 busser ved udkørsel fra sløjfen👍

I know this was meant as a joke but this is actually very much like a typical North American tram. A lot of them are stuck in much worse traffic. The Muni LRVs don't have level boarding outside of the tunnel. It really isn't about the mode -- it is what you do for it. The mode only really matters when it comes to capacity.

Is double decker, thing of the past? I think it was on 200 or 250s..

@automation7295

3 ай бұрын

Yes double decker buses are unfortunately are the thing of the past, the last double decker ended in 2014 before they replace them with single deck buses. Though double decker do exist as hop on-hop off tour buses. I wish Copenhagen never removed double decker buses, they should had reduced the number of them instead of removing them altogether.

Oh man I love how your video oozes irony! Even if this would have been a "proper" BRT, the space requirements, road wear and tear, and vehicle longevity are absolutly subpar compared to any tram. "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.”

@PsychicLord

3 ай бұрын

A tram can last 25 or more years, whereas a bus struggles to reach 8 years of service.

@JaapGinder

3 ай бұрын

@@PsychicLord 25 years? Look at The Hague in The Netherlands: some trams reaching 40 years and still run.

@drdewott9154

3 ай бұрын

Meanwhile the city rejected government funding for converting the northern part of this bus line to a Light rail route, with some politicians infamously comparing tram tracks to the Berlin wall. Theyve since restarted studies but now with BRT as the main option... I'd assume proper BRT but this corridor still needs much more. The 5C bus line is the 2nd busiest in all of Europe, behind only the Line 5 bus in Hamburg! The corridor needs an improvement and theres no incentive to build metro to the areas served by it due to the low density and lack of space to develop new highrise districts. So a light rail is really the only viable option.

@PsychicLord

3 ай бұрын

@@JaapGinder I know, I deliberately underestimated.

@Mgameing123

3 ай бұрын

@@drdewott9154Danish media and politicians for some reason sees trams as a bad thing so they want to convince the public that trams are bad and buses are better. Or its just grumpy motorists who can't handle having to take extra care on the roads.

I’d say reinvigorate light rail. It’s usually cheaper and unless there’s a short tunnelled section, you don’t have to go downstairs to board. Your metro lines are so deep underground at points ur almost at the mantle although it’s a fab system

I think he likes line 5C

I use this bus to commute every day. I hate the exterior door button with a passion Here's something most people don't know though. When you press a stop button near a door, that door will open automatically when the bus stops

Omg you started at husum torv? I actually live within walking distance of husum torv.

@Simon-Andersen

Ай бұрын

Also fairly close to my home :-)

What in the world do they make buses out of which gives them that special jarring rattle? Cars, trucks, trains, trams, boats, coaches, nothing else makes that special hammering vibration.

Did you coordinate thumbnails with Superalbs? LOL. In all seriousness, I went to Copenhagen last summer and used the 5C to get from the train station to my hotel by the river (the Hilton). I thought it was OK for a bus, but admittedly I only went a few stops. A tram would probably nicer.

@Simon-Andersen

3 ай бұрын

Haha, we actually did'nt, we use the same rough style so it was just a bit of a funny co-incedence :p

i for fun once took the same route as this bus on a bike(doing somewhat rushhour) while a friend was there on the 5C bus i was there around 30-40min before my friend on the bus was there: i feel like biking / taking a bus or public transport should be around the same time it take to travel in a city atleast if around 5-10km long to travel yeah these busses kinda just sucks also too often too over crowded and honestly i avoid this bus at all cost whenever i can

@Simon-Andersen

12 күн бұрын

Honestly a similar tale for a lot of Copenhagen busses. I've beat 350S from DTU to Nørreport on bike multiple times before

bus lore

They used to have similar buses like that in London called bendy buses.

@d947

3 ай бұрын

Mainland Europe has a lot of bendy buses

Totally not any sarcasm in this video at all...! xD

The fact that there's no LRT or Metro connection from the airport through tårnby and Amagerbro to central Copenhagen is borderline criminal... whose idea was it to plan the metro to go by the beach and not the densely populated sundbyerene... I just need a word.

@Simon-Andersen

24 күн бұрын

I assume this was meant to be on the 5C video i made, but the reason for putting the railway line though the beach was there was already a previos railway allignment making construction significantly less complex and cheaper.

They trolled us in Prague too. Everyone asked for a tram or a metro to the Airport. And they built a ... trolleys for a 25 meter long trolleybus. Actually it´s not that bad but this video reminded me the new trolleybuses soo much.

@drdewott9154

3 ай бұрын

We actually use the very same bus type on Denmarks first "proper" BRT line, the Aalborg Plusbus. It opened in September last year and there's a video about it on the same channel. Part of the reason why Simon made this is because some BRT idiots were trying to use his video on the Plusbus to discredit trams and investments into trams over "The much superior BRT".

@austriankangaroo

3 ай бұрын

But you are getting a rail link to the airport. And honestly, the trolley line is very nice. High speeds, long busses, very short route

@Redstarka22

3 ай бұрын

@@austriankangaroo The problem in Prague is that there's basically already a Metro line that gets you like 80% of the way to the airport, where you have to change to a bus (or vice versa if you're coming from the airport). It would be a lot smarter if they just extended the Metro line all the way instead of this patchwork solution.

@austriankangaroo

3 ай бұрын

@@Redstarka22 yeah but youll get a rail link and trains are nicer anyway with luggage

Happy first of April ^^

I've always thought the best form of public transport is the Trolleybus. It has the mobility of a bus, meaning it can go around traffic, unlike a tram. It's also electric so it doesn't pollute the city and, since it uses a catenary instead of a battery, it doesn't pollute when it comes to the manufacture of batteries which is resource heavy and expensive. I've always been pro-trolleybus, idk why we stopped using them in the developed nations. Also, great video with that typical Danish irony that always takes me a while to get 😂😂😂

@Redstarka22

25 күн бұрын

The majority of the pollution from buses comes from their rubber tyres, not from their exhausts. This is exponentially true for heavy vehicles such as buses and trucks.

@AFVEH

25 күн бұрын

@@Redstarka22 I didn't say it was perfect, but I think it's the best option. Only the subway is superior but it's very expensive to build.

@Redstarka22

25 күн бұрын

@@AFVEH a subway, a tram, and a trolleybus all serve completely different needs and are not interchangeable. Trolleybuses aren't scalable, trams aren't flexible, and subways aren't cheap.

@AFVEH

25 күн бұрын

@@Redstarka22 Trolleybuses are less scalable than regular buses but still really scalable. I'm not saying it's flawless, but it's the best we have for everyday public transport in urbanized areas. It's the most balance option amongst all those categories you stated.

@AFVEH

25 күн бұрын

@@Redstarka22 It feels like you just want to argue for the sake of it. 🤣🤣🤣

the city I'm studying in is implementing a system like this, BUT it's a city of 100k people, so imo it's a decent solution especially for a country that is not that affluent. but for copenhagen? yeah...

Was in Copenhagen just couple weeks ago and on the 5C bus quite a few times. Actually found the frequency quite impressive. But didn't know it has such a "BRT" story. No it is not BRT in any way but the service is far from bad. This is coming from someone who's used to the buses in Beijing, where there are 20-30 min interval everywhere and no timetable available.

Astounding, the city buses in the comparatively tiny city of jönköping are miles ahead! Like sure, use a bus instead of a proper tram, i get it, but would it really kill the budget to use fancy buses? Having standing areas specifically designed for you to stand with your phone facing the window ought to buy a lot of goodwill for the line!

Ridiculous to use the roadspace for storage of personal vehicles over making a bus priority lane.

@drdewott9154

3 ай бұрын

Yeah but this is Copenhagen. Its still very carbrained compared to what you'd be lead to believe. Public transit especially has a jokingly low modal share here. Only 18% in the innermost municipality. For comparison Oslo has 40% and Stockholm has 47% and theirs are for the whole metropolitan area, including the suburbs. If Copenhagen included its suburbs we'd be looking much lower. Transit sadly isnt a big priority here, and politicians deliberately want to make transit worse here since they see people taking transit for short urban trips below 10km in length as a threat to their goals of getting people to cycle for trips instead.

In my city there are 6 BRT routes and they are pretty good.

@Simon-Andersen

3 ай бұрын

Not saying BRT in general is bad, but this one is :P

Not shure if it is an anomaly, but in my town in switzerland are many level-boarding stopps on the bus network So it should be possible, though in dense areas trams are the better option for shure

@Simon-Andersen

3 ай бұрын

It for sure is possible with busses, they just did not bother here and still tried to pass off the project as BRT

At least they run on CNG (compressed natural gas) so they are slightly less polluting than a diesel bus, but definitely using BRT's are just municipalities way of procrastinating and not dealing with the problem instead of realizing light rail is the way to go long term. Denmark is really flat and perfect to build a great train network but we're not taking advantage of it like we should and losing money in the process and ending up with infrastructure in rough condition as a result, cars are just so expensive to build infrastructure for it's not worth it. Meanwhile Switzerland is extremely mountainous AND have the best trains in the world.

@dijikstra8

3 ай бұрын

Eh, depends. Burning methane certainly produces less emissions than burning diesel, but methane is a very potent greenhouse gas, much more so than carbon dioxide even although not quite as long-lived in the atmosphere. So including leaks, it's quite possible that CNG is even more harmful than diesel in the "short term" of 20-30 years or so.

The curent problem is the following : more and more cities prefer to build BRT instead of tram, while tram is needed, Just to save money (like the Tzen 4 and the TVM in Paris suburb). BRT is good but it does not replace a train.

Jeg ved virkelig ikke hvad der er sejt ved 5C. Jeg troede den var speciel indtil at jeg kørte med 2A. Et ny bogstav, og knapper ved dørrene. Jeg håber at hvis de modtager movia´s forslag om Hovedstadens BRT at det rent faktisk bliver BRT

Danish humor at its finest😂

Nu siger du "press the bonton" jeg plejer at slå på den, så åbner den i første forsøg. bare et trick fra en gammel Københavner. Jeg har også overvejet at bruge en hammer😮‍💨

Oh it's April 1st God damn it

To be fair - they don't call it a tram. The traffic company never said it was supposed to be like a tram. They've also never called it a BRT. They wanted to build a BRT, but were prevented from doing so by NIMBYs. There's no false marketing here - Movia has been very clear in their communication that this is just a marginally fancier bus.

@Simon-Andersen

24 күн бұрын

I disagree slightly. The marketing material referred to it as something along the lines of BRT-Like or BRT-Lite multiple times, suggesting it was at least close to a BRT. This was also how it was reported in media outlets like Ingeniøren, etc. However, this is/was an April Fools' video and it's not meant to be a proper deep dive into the 5C and its problems-just a bit of goof regarding what, in my opinion, is one of Copenhagen's most lacking transit corridors.

Removing the trams in Copenhagen and Aarhus was an incredibly short-sighted decision. While these new electric buses are slightly more comfortable than diesel buses, they're nowhere close to trams. What buggers me more is how they just increased the prices by 20%, while at the same time silently adjusted the metro's schedule to only run once every 6 minutes outside rush hours (it was previously 4 minutes). That when you already pay an extra fee for the pleasure of using the metro, which actually runs on time around 90% of the time, with frequent disruptions in rush hours.

@patfre

24 күн бұрын

Trams are terrible they have terrible uptime due to people that keep crashing into them in that way a metro is far better and faster I also prefer busses because stops can be more frequent and much simpler and cheaper. (The tram like system in Aarhus and Odense is a great example of this)

Still beats the Ansaldobreda trams in Göteborg by a mile. Bit the good old 50's trams are still the best in Göteborg.

Oh my, 5C, the horror! I try to avoid it as much as I can, and yet I'm somehow forced to used it occasionally, since it's the only bus line on certain streets. It pretty much always welcomes me with up to 15 or more minutes of delay, disgusting seats and not enough space between the passengers' Netto shopping bags to fit atl least my tiny school bag that I'm carrying. I believe that any other local Copenhagen bus line (any with plain yellow buses without any letters in the name) does their job significantly better than the 5C.

BRTs can be great, provided they are being implemented the proper way! Which is obviously not the case in Denmark...

You should see R-net

There is a difference ,the brt have 5 doors and the front door is single but the regular bus have 4 doors and the front door is double doors look at 2:30 which is the brt bus and 4:41 Yiu can see the difference

clearly it's one of those BRT in name only systems just done to look cool.

LOL it doesn't even have two bends 😅 In my city we have "three-section-buses" but we don't call them something else than a bus. But luckily we also have trams. Good joke but sad that there's actual people who think BRT is better than light rail.

I can SMELL the slight odor of sarcasm of the first 5 Minutes. A good thing they didn't buy new trams instead of these inovative "train"-like busses XD

these buses are kinda cool tho

må være en københavner ting, havde ikke hørt om brt før nu :P

That was a "BRT"? When i was in Copenhagen like last week, i did not see a single "BRT"

@Simon-Andersen

3 ай бұрын

It was marketed as such but as the video shows probably not quite :P

The bus is actually a special high capacity one.

endnu en god aprilsnar video!

@Simon-Andersen

3 ай бұрын

takker!

Very funny ;-)

ADD BUMB STEARING GUIDWAY LANES and boom

glad Copenhagen is actually getting a proper tram

@tobiastrier

3 ай бұрын

Only in the outskirts. There won’t be a central line for now.

This bus looks very good by Brazilian standards, but even here it wouldn't be considered a BRT.