totally agree. swen once said: "i dont make games to make money, i make money to make games". says it all, imo.

@go-nogo1475

2 ай бұрын

He's been keeping me entertained since "Divine Divinity" -- so like 2 decades -- and every Larian game exceeds my expectations, they don't over promise, they nail exactly what any game NEEDS, then somehow find ways to add actual love in the creation. Never been disappointed in ANY Larian game, especially upon its release and in its time...because Larian just keeps getting more deft at making increasingly enthralling games... each exceeds the ones before!

@Cyon2012

2 ай бұрын

@@go-nogo1475 Back then I played Diablo, a time later I found Divine Divinity. I loved Divine Divinity always MORE than Diablo! Even back then their world seemed MORE alive than Diablo's! I instantly saw the difference between the two and since then always looked out for Larian Games. I actually love Ego Draconis too and still to this day I feel it is a pity there was never a continuation and probably never will be since they completely turned away from third person and real time battles and switched to their turn based model where they pretty obviously found their homeground for good. I love their lore and feel the passion that flows into their games. I am glad that they finally made themselves known to the world. Before nobody ever knew of whom I was even talking. Still, I would also love to see another real time battle Ego Draconis game from them again. I play turn based too but I don't ONLY play those! At this abysmal point in time we live in today in so many ways besides gaming in the world as well, Larian is probably one of the last remaining game Developers that aren't blinded by greed and driven by their passion and are actually GREAT at it! A beam of light that shoots through the darkness that the gaming industrie has become. I just pray they remain, survive, bloom with so many gluttons probably now wanting to swallow them for cash.

@purplefanta7142

2 ай бұрын

I just watched some stuff about Gabe Newell, he has the same sentiment. Make good games, make your "players" (not customers) happy and the money will fall in place.

@Tespri

Ай бұрын

yet he made incomplete game which last act was virtually unplayable.

@MohrsCircle

Ай бұрын

​@@Tespri Unplayable for who?

Imagine being so despicable that you can't get along with Swen.

@Azriel884

2 ай бұрын

Bruh....💯💯💯 dude is the fukn man fr

@Miner49er201

2 ай бұрын

The BBEGs revealed their true colors to the Paladin.

@x_rhi_x2772

2 ай бұрын

Crazy! He seems like the nicest, most genuine guy

@Kemachris

2 ай бұрын

He is for sure. A lovely man, but I have a feeling that if you get on his bad side. You don't exist to him anymore.

@esh_414

2 ай бұрын

RIGHT?!?! Sorry, but everything I have seen of Sven and what others have said about him.... he seems like such an easy going friendly guy. For him to just rip them while on stage like that is just so telling.

So that's why Larian is investing their last hour on providing modding support, to basically hand over the game to the community as a farewell gift. It makes sense.

@frrmrr4314

2 ай бұрын

Absolute legends.

@noone12748

2 ай бұрын

A last F you to Hasbro and WotC 😂

@roadkillrandy5926

2 ай бұрын

This is the Vincke spirit, handed down from the past to ensure the Game's future! It's the modder's spirit! COMMUNITY, THIS IS THE LAST OF MY UPDATES! TAKE IT FROM MEEEEEE!!!

@IDontKnowYouWhoAreYou

2 ай бұрын

@@roadkillrandy5926 until we becomes just like the publishers themselfs :T i hope that day never happens lol

@Jorendo

2 ай бұрын

They also never made DLC for their games. They deliver a full fledge game and that's it. Maybe a directors cut a year later that comes as a free update to previous owners, but they never do DLC.

Hasbro could fuck up a wet dream.

@kittydaddy2023

2 ай бұрын

I stopped trusting Hasbro after I pre-ordered Monopoly.

@fredmonroe6042

2 ай бұрын

Yes they did.

@fuzzyhair321

2 ай бұрын

yep fuck Hasbro, they ruined magic. im just waiting them to buy Warhammer next

@Tere225

2 ай бұрын

​​​@@fuzzyhair321 they don't have have kind of money. Hasbro and WOTC doing well at all

@1970joedub

2 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

The corpos ruin it, and the modders keep it alive. Send love to your favorite modders, folks.

@hah-vj7hc

2 ай бұрын

I've downloaded 150+ mods and been cheering for them in the Nexus comments. I've done my part.

@shadowchu419

2 ай бұрын

I will once they work again…

@rphilipsgeekery4589

2 ай бұрын

Every time a large corp takes over something worthwhile they ruin it

@dev-mc4jq

Ай бұрын

The only game i know where modding community coexists and improve game with full support of developpers not by greed, but because both want to improve the game, is Rimworld.

@vincentwolf1456

Ай бұрын

I'm sending it to them every day. Ty, creators of No Alphabets, Alternate Wyll, No Romance and Baldur's Better Aesthetics W! You've made the game so much more enjoyable!

I trust in Swen Vincke. Whatever project he spearheads will be a terrific game.

@Grogeous_Maximus

2 ай бұрын

What if Larian starts a competitor to D&D - a new TTRPG system? There was a rumor that Sven was offered to work on D&D as a franchise.

@debrickashaw9387

2 ай бұрын

I would love that because I dont really like 5e@@Grogeous_Maximus

@PAXthe4Th

2 ай бұрын

Remember the cyberpunk Debakel no company is a save haven

@matturso2224

2 ай бұрын

Divinity of Sin is trash though. It's basically fable but TTRPG

@vivekkparashar6369

2 ай бұрын

Huh? No its not divinity series is pretty good,even the old 2009 Arpg dragon knight was pretty interesting​@@matturso2224

Sven cast Globe of Invulnerability on Larian before Hasbro could throw a Dominate Person in there. Kudos Sven.

@user-wg8ee9di7v

2 ай бұрын

I like how even tho this does nothing from a BG3 perspective it works from a DND perspective. You my good pal are civilised.

@leonelegender

2 ай бұрын

This coment is cringe, it's true and i understand but it's cringe

@silver1340

2 ай бұрын

@@leonelegender It's endearing cringe, the type of cringe you look up to with fond memories after something precious is taken from you.

@norsemanulfenn1956

2 ай бұрын

Cringe ≠ nonsense​@@leonelegender

@celuiquipeut6527

2 ай бұрын

​@@leonelegenderIt cant be cringe to a teenager who used to play LIVE DnD during higschool lunch break. Lol

Larian released a game of the decade, an instant classic. The smart thing for them, as a company, is for their next release, which will have so many eyes on it, to be an IP that they own. Having to work with a huge corporation that owns an IP is almost always a pain in the ass to deal with, and often goes sour.

@Rigel_6

2 ай бұрын

So either back to Divinity or a new original ip?

@runtergerutscht4401

2 ай бұрын

I'd like it if they went back to Divinity. It's a cool setting. Even though they might have to make some new lore that contradicts parts of earlier games

@voster77hh

2 ай бұрын

More precisely Larian carried through with Early Access funding of the game of a decade and fairly involved player feedback for good. Divintiy had it's own IP of a game universe and was already half way out of the door of Forgotten realms Ip licence. This Kickstarter funded game saved Larian core dev team and unlocked the Early access funding base for making BG3. There is zero reason not to quit those super risky big licenses for good. Larian already has their own universe IPs to leverage and boost with the Early Access of their next proposals. They only need to score a single hit exploting the current D&D 5e hype. Larian didn't even expect to strike full mainstream with a super Streamer / Viewer interaction friendly game and a captivating "be who you are" story that allows to fully explore different dark path. Larian can simply crowd finance and pre-sell any big project the like. Tha banks do listen, their well-rewarded crowd backers and supportive Crowd listen and trust them. There is literally nothing Hasbro could offer Larian in added benefit now. Zil. The Larian example does prove an honest Early Access process is what you truly need for outstanding quality games if you want to lead 6 carry a lastng studio success and retain the talent on board. Larian is great at Pirate economics, not Hasbro Navy economics.

@kanyewest6539

2 ай бұрын

huge brain take, congratulations on being smart.

@runtergerutscht4401

2 ай бұрын

@StealingYourInfo-CC maybe you're just hater of the year

BG3 isn't ruined. It's right here on my hard drive and it remains to be a fine game.

@shasotaualfa

2 ай бұрын

It's still a great game... I was just hoping for more... Quests and all.

@LoreFoundry

2 ай бұрын

Mines on an external hard drive without Wi-Fi capability.

@noctoi

2 ай бұрын

Yep. It's exactly as promised. It's exactly what was advertised. It's exactly what I paid for. It's complete as described "on the box". I'm relieved that's not changing.

@Nerazmus

2 ай бұрын

It's not ruined. It's just unfinished buggy mess.

@arielshligman2146

2 ай бұрын

@@shasotaualfa but isnt that what ruined the industry wanting more even when the product is complete

I remember Sven saying in an interview somewhere they never planned DLC in the first place so I'm not mourning what never was supposed to be there

@dungeonsanddobbers2683

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, I was starting to think I was the only person who remembered that when people started losing their minds over the announcement.

@frenchfry9370

Ай бұрын

I think the reason is that close to the time frame where they cut ties there were a few hints of not necessarily DLC, but additional content on the way, though in all honesty they were probably referring to the patches and additional endings/interactions/animations and such people just assumed they were hinting at DLC/Expansions

@aquamarinerose5405

Ай бұрын

I hadn't heard that, though admittedly I'll say I'm still upset because I feel like GIVE ME A GOOD KARLACH ENDING DAMNIT. I WANNA KICK MIZORA'S TEETH IN AND FIX MY GIRL'S HEART.

@l3xforever

Ай бұрын

Yeah, when was the last time Larian did a dlc? Exactly.

@stoifan91

Ай бұрын

@@l3xforever True, they just make massive additions and patches for their already finished games. Like redoing the entire ending arc for Divinity: Original Sin 2. All for free, because we felt it wasn't fleshed out enough. And they agreed. They took our critique and they went through it. Realized we had another view compared to them. So they took their own original view, and added ours ontop of that. And all this, for free.

I get why people are disappointed, but I am not. Good for Larian. From Software is kinda doing the same thing when it comes to Bandai Namco, they want to become fully independent and publish their own stuff. They have the pedigree and the love of their fans. I wish Swen and the team the best of luck with their new projects

@JGCO115

2 ай бұрын

Game developers should be more independent, corpos ruin everything they put their hands on.

@themagescorner

2 ай бұрын

Yeah I already liked Larian for Divinity Original Sin and as a D&D player it's not like they nailed the rules, they took a lot of liberty. Might as well make their own RPGs. I'm happy with that.

@noctoi

2 ай бұрын

Same. They were completely transparent about never making an expansion, and not making another game of this scale in the near future. They stuck to that. It's what integrity looks like, and it's what's best for them and their employees, while still allowing them to make incredible games and perfect their product. The *whole drawcard* for their game before it even released was "it's a complete game with no paid DLC" then withing a week of full release everyone was clamouring for a DLC. It boggled my mind. I'm glad they aren't caving in on this.

@visitante-pc5zc

2 ай бұрын

@themagescorner bg3 gameplay is terrible. Dice rolling is so cringe. Divinity 2 was a good game and I played it several times. Bg3 took me 3 months to finish since I couldn't stand playing over an hour. The combat is bad

@sparaz

2 ай бұрын

​@visitante-pc5zc I'd say this is an L take on the game. It literally just follows DND rules. After over a billion in sales and millions of dedicated fans I'd say the gameplay was amazing. That being said, it's not for everyone. There's no loss of games out that will make you more happy

The irony is Hasbro could be sitting on an actual horde of gold if they had an ounce of business sense.

@danielmason9465

2 ай бұрын

That is because they only think in terms of each quarter instead of each decade.

@CosmicGumbo555

2 ай бұрын

CEOs are generally appointed for a handful of years at a time so they tend to care about short term profits and getting while the getting's good before they are replaced. The only time corporations take a step back and do something good for the consumer is when they have no other way to move the profits forward.

@user-bz8nv8xr7c

Ай бұрын

Amazing how basic common sense equates to more business intelligence than these corporate smuchs with their years in office. Act like a shit, be treated as one. That line you were eye fucking starts to go limp real quick. I actually feel sorry for these morons.

@korsekil

19 күн бұрын

@@CosmicGumbo555 That makes sense and would explain why corporations tend to make short-sighted decisions that destroy goodwill even in, or especially in products that are already popular with the consumers. Another example is Sony destroying Helldivers 2 with their absurd decision to force PC players to buy a PS and get an account to use the product they already bought. (They sorta backtracked it but also stopped it from being played in any country that doesn't sell Playstations) The devs are apparently working hard to fight the decision but the damage is done.

@jaspermooren5883

9 күн бұрын

​@@CosmicGumbo555It's not even the CEO's, it's the shareholders. They want short term profits, a lot of them are only short term investors. There's the real problem.

Correction: Hasbro did not purchase dungeons and dragons 25 years ago, they bought it in 1999... Oh my God...

@MistyKathrine

2 ай бұрын

Makes you feel old, don't it? And that was just 2 years after WoTC bought TSR in 1997. Fun Fact, the original Baldur's Gate (Released in 1998) was one of the last products to have to the TSR logo on it.

@MisterOwling

2 ай бұрын

Crazy lol

@Drak976

2 ай бұрын

@@MistyKathrine Back in my day games came on CDs! Each CD only held 600 megabytes so for a game like Baldur's Gate I reckon we had at least 4 disks! Okay grandpa back to bed to you you and your silly stories.

@adventtrooper

Ай бұрын

@@Drak976It was 5 CDs, a total pain to keep swapping them as you moved around.

@Bgh583

Ай бұрын

HA! feel old yet? Welcome to the club bud.

Stand by Swen! This dude spent 6 years and risked everything to bring us the best RPG in decades. I'd love for D&D and BG, and WOTC to continue on but, if I must choose, I'll follow Larian! they have the magic!

@larion2336

Ай бұрын

WOTC/HB are pure cancer

This is exactly what I’ve been saying since the announcement. It’s Hasbro, Hasbro is ruining everything. I have been wanting them to sell DnD or WotC as a whole for awhile now. The greed is ruining the passion of so many people’s favorite hobby. I’m dreading the upcoming VTT(virtual table top) they are working on. Every mini in that game will become a micro transaction, new maps, tools, assets, all micro transactions. Their hand in these games are ruining it. I hate the greed of the industry as a whole. A poor trained behavior we have learned to accept ever since dlc, or micro transactions came along, and the industry leaned into, and now it’s all we see, micro transactions. Never a whole game, never completed, always day one patches, or some times games have to wait a month before a patch will fix its jankyness. Unfortunately it won’t change, until we as the consumer have to say enough is enough. I fear that as a collective we don’t have the will power to resist anymore. A trained behavior, an addiction to the system.

@zarroth

2 ай бұрын

I no longer buy anything at all until the DLC train ends officially. Then I can see the final state they leave the game in and this has caused me to abandon many series, like Europa Universalis and Civilization, among many others. Saved me quite a bit as well considering the obscene prices they want for entire packages, even on sale :P

@manictiger

2 ай бұрын

Westwood and Maxis fans: "First time?"

@Bladezeromus

2 ай бұрын

I like how you think Hasbro I the ultimate problem here and selling WotC would do anything. As a MtG player, I can tell you that the brainrot is thorough and not centralize, the cancer is in every limb and organ. Not a single person associated with any of their divisions, ips, or companies has said or done anything to inspire confidence.

@rphilipsgeekery4589

2 ай бұрын

Agree but tbf wotc wasn't exactly Basking in praise for the last ten years

@cheddartheadventurer7511

2 ай бұрын

My guy, just don't buy it.

As pointed out, Larian now has an incredible amount of "street cred," and no matter what game they make next, it will be well-received. As far as corporate greed and profit-portfolio-stock types, that soulless approach has torn the passion of innovators-business owners out of the world.

@silverwolfe3636

Ай бұрын

They already had that "cred" amongst the original, pre-critical roller ttrpg fanbase because of DOS and DOS2. However that original pre critical roller D&D and TTRPG fanbase has learned firsthand why gates need gatekeepers.

@apexcrab

Ай бұрын

Tell that to CDProjekt Red lol

@chiknkeinnugeget6755

Ай бұрын

Doesnt work like that. Ori and the blind forest and ori 2(both games have 95%+ positive reviews on steam) creators new game has mixed reviews there. If next game gonna be bad, its gonna be bad.

I'm a firm believer that most of the worlds problems (including games) can be blamed on the rise of Business and Management Schools at Universities.

@elmhurstenglish5938

2 ай бұрын

You can add in social sciences too for other recent issues.

@Para2normal

2 ай бұрын

@@elmhurstenglish5938 I was talking specifically in terms of the way business works nowadays. I am, I suppose, what was known in the distant past of 2016, a SJW .

@redrum47

2 ай бұрын

@@Para2normal Which would probably make you a far right extremist by today's standards lol

@mal2ksc

2 ай бұрын

It's schools of Economics that made them that way. The modern way of running a business arises out of economic theory, not the other way around.

@MegaCynar

2 ай бұрын

​@@redrum47 SJW would be woke. Far right extremist is essentially a Nazi. Quite different things.

Swen is just too polite to say it out loud but you are 100% spot on. Habro done goofed and we pay the price for it.

@kittydaddy2023

2 ай бұрын

Larian will just make new characters for us to get horny over. There's life after Karlach, don't worry about that.

@LeChevalierduLys

2 ай бұрын

Again...

@Heldor100

2 ай бұрын

Idk, the guy literally said to his own community to drop the tinfoil hats and yet, here’s a fucking tinfoil hat comment under a tinfoil hat video lmao

@hailey8941

2 ай бұрын

He called them out when they fired all those people though…he has no problem speaking his mind, especially when it comes to shitty companies. I also initially thought it was because of hasbro. But now I just think bg3 was the most successful and well put together cash grab we’ve ever seen. I think they knew they could make a good baldurs gate game to fund what they really want to make and show off their talents as a studio, that’s why they were so quick to wash their hands of it and the characters.

@kittydaddy2023

2 ай бұрын

@@hailey8941 that seems really cynical

I'm bummed out that Larian is done with BG3, but I understand and applaud Swen's decision. Knowing that he and the team has plans to break the 5e ruleset open even more than they had already makes me very excited as to what Larian is cooking up next.

@kittydaddy2023

2 ай бұрын

they've been making medieval fantasy games for almost 30 years. I hope they don't go to space, but maybe they are just tired of the scenery.

@syro2412

2 ай бұрын

Well their next game isn't going to be DnD

@spaceman9599

2 ай бұрын

Imagine if they jumped to the Paizo Open Source successor ...

@SeventhheavenDK

2 ай бұрын

Very unlikely they will use the dnd ruleset again for their next game, fortunately imo.

@Johnny2Badd

2 ай бұрын

Pretty sure they are doing Divinity 3

Hasbro is pure evil. They're the kind of company that gets off on doing horrible things. They specifically fire people just before holidays in order to cause more harm. This sounds like something an evil villain would do, but it's happened too many times to be overlooked. That's just one of many things and there's many more not mentioned in the video. The people running Hasbro are really sick people.

I for one am not disappointed at all. BG3 was a commercial success and the game itself is basically a complete package. The sooner they cook their next project, the sooner we get to play it

@midnightdreams8136

2 ай бұрын

Yep, although Sven said they are leaving the genre, the next one is going to be a sci-fi of some sort probably. So it won't really be the same anymore...😒

@snaphaan5049

2 ай бұрын

@@midnightdreams8136 I LOVE Sci-Fi so that's great news

@zmortis111

Ай бұрын

Pretty much how I see it. They made a good game, time to make another original IP product so they reap the rewards. They've proven they can make a fun product, now all they need is the time and money to do it again.

@almondsai7214

29 күн бұрын

@@midnightdreams8136 Leaving the setting more like, it'll undoubtedly be a crpg still. And why not? BG3 reached many people who were neither into fantasy, DnD or crpgs in general, their next game might do the same.

Hasbro screwed the pooch on the movie. The corpos cut the creator of the realms,the venerable Ed Greenwood, out of even consulting. He could have portrayed Elminster. Can you imagine! We got lucky with Larian, won’t happen again I fear. The people who run Hasbro are just too stupid.

@davidrhode7019

Ай бұрын

I'm late to the party on this one! I actually wound up enjoying the movie on its own terms, but I was extremely unhappy that the movie failed to credit the game to its actual creators - Gygax and Arneson, principally.

Sven Vincke is an anomaly, and a gift to us gamers.

Larian Studio next project just take my money now, I completely trust you.

I don't care for D&D, I'm pretty confident that whatever Larian is cooking it's going to be good. Also, Swen pretty clearly said that one big reason he wanted to do BG3 was to leverage the IP to elevate Larian to the next level, to be able to do more ambitious projects with higher budgets and for that they needed to reach a mainstream audience. In that sense it was a well calculated move, but only a stepping stone for Larian to enable future development. I don't doubt they have a lot of passion (obviously) for D&D / forgotten realms, or that it was the main reason, but a smart move nonetheless and it paid off.

@laniakeas92

2 ай бұрын

Yep. Everything they gonna create in the future is gonna be decent probably if not great.

@clarencewalters338

2 ай бұрын

Couldn't have phrased it better. Larian didn't really go on my Radar for a long while, and BG3 put them there for me. I'll definitely be watching for their next project with great interest regardless!

@Brakka86

2 ай бұрын

D&D at this point is just woke garbage anyway.

@voster77hh

2 ай бұрын

if you are into RPG worlds for 30+ years, Forgotten Realms is super cool to write storyline into it. But there is always a greener pasture next to it you can move your herd onto. Divinity, which literally saved Larian and unlocked BG3 didn't use Forgotten Realms and your really don't miss much of it. Sure, being a much smaller kickstarter, Divinity doesn't have the grandiose motion capture cinematics of a BG3. Larians next move would be a divinity with the cinematics being funded and Early Access being a solid experience for backers, they have gained the creative freedom to make anything happen. I certainly will back any Early Access proposal they do come up with.

@IDontKnowYouWhoAreYou

2 ай бұрын

but i love the lore of dnd :(

As always, corporate fatcats ruin everything.

The witcher background music makes me imagine Geralt of Rivia hunting Hasbro like it's some kind of horrific monster in a swamp, or plain. I can see it now, it's a cold icy morning in Nilfgaard, Geralt is riding through the gloom of the early dawn hours, atop his mighty steed roach the horse. He comes to a halt before an old dead tree, the wind shifts towards him, his powerful witcher senses detecting the scent of spilled blood. Warily, he starts riding again, coming upon an entire batallion of Nilfgaardian soldiers along the road, torn limb from limb, guts and shattered armor everywhere. His horse whinnies in alarm but Geralt soothes the beast and slowly dismounts. "Looks like I'm getting close." he muses to himself, as he kneels down to examine the bifurcated corpse of a nilfgaardian captain named Morvik, who many months earlier, had tasked the mutant with hunting drowners close to his camp's latrine, which sat near a river. In the far distance, the ground shakes slightly, Geralt lurches to his feet, drawing his steel sword. It was Hasbro, they always return to the site of kills to feed upon the corpses, he reminds himself. Then he see's it, charging his position, a lumbering wall of muscle and dark shaggy fur. The Hasbro resembles a cross between a werewolf, a cassuary bird, and a man, its head is bright blue like a summer sky, its eyes burning with red otherworldly rage. It shrieks as it closes the distance. "STOCKHOOOLDEEEERSSSSSHHH!" it roars! With a lunge faster than any normal man, the Butcher of Blavigan hurls himself to the side as an enormous, four fingered hand carves a massive trench into the ground, partially crushing the head of a dead horse in the process. "MYLITTLEPOOONY!" the Hasbro thunders. "Damn, you're ugly!" And the battle is joined proper, just monster vs mutant.

@user-mu8dm4rk7g

Ай бұрын

Lmaooo

I'd love to see a Shadowrun game designed by Larian Studios.

@ivegonehollow9364

2 ай бұрын

Ohhhh yes and vamp masquerade😅😅😅

@CavernadoLekkis

2 ай бұрын

@@ivegonehollow9364 definitely!

@kutlumzrak2689

2 ай бұрын

​​@@ivegonehollow9364 No no. Fuck no. No fuck. No Keep Larian away from VtM. There's something cursed about that IP and Bloodlines in particular. Whoever touches it, dies.

@CYI3ERPUNK

2 ай бұрын

agreed

@comyuse9103

Ай бұрын

@@ivegonehollow9364 hell nah, down with vampire supremacy, i want a changeling (either or, but i think i'd prefer the dreaming) game made by larian. you could say its _the dream._ or a mage game, but i feel like that actually is a pipe dream.

I knew something went south

You kinda immediatly realized the disgusting envy hasbro and wotc had for the success of BG3 when they were first doing absolutely nothing to cross promote the game and after BG3 blew up they were IMMEDIATLY pumping out youtube content that constantly referenced BG3 and were pointing out where their P&P System was superior to the video game etc. It was just so cringeworthy to watch unfold.

@comyuse9103

Ай бұрын

now i won't stand for that slander; larian worked hard to make the shitty 5e system playable, there is literally no place in the entire system where 5e is better than BG3.

@francisxavier8374

Ай бұрын

@@comyuse9103 bro it's literally the most successful pnp rpg system... ever, let's not go full retard just because hasbro is a bag of dicks

I agree. At first I thought it would just be a matter of the right amount of money to get another Larian BG title, but based on Swen's tone, money was discussed, and it didn't work out. Something on the corporate side didn't align with what Swen wanted, and I'm guessing they weren't going to fund the development cycle he wanted and that meant he'd have to lay people off since he has mentioned how the BG3 team has grown a lot. There was money coming in later from the early access sales. Anyway, you've mentioned this in another video about Bioware, Drew Karpyshyn and James Ohlen, and the new Exodus project with Anthem studios. Let's not forget (or let me inform the younger audience) this has happened before when BioWare lost the Star Wars license after Knights of the Old Republic and they then went on to make the first two Mass Effect games, which were excellent. By the time Mass Effect 3 came out those original people were gone and it was hot garbage and has never recovered. Dragon Age was also a similar story, BioWare made Baldur's Gate II when they had the D&D license. We've seen this time and time again, and I understand Swen's frustration that these mistakes keep getting made. Laid off game developers sometimes don't come back like in Drew's case where he just started writing novels instead of games. Don't want this to get too long, but, just like Baldur's Gate II was much bigger and had cooler content than Baldur's Gate I, the engine was already developed so they could focus on the content. BG3 is working out all the bugs now because they can just build off that engine for any future project. They will be very capable of building a bigger game than BG3 because less time will be spent on the engine and more time can be dedicated to content.

@Dereliction2

Ай бұрын

Swen didn't want to participate in the excessively greedy and institutionally broken approach that Hasbro undoubtedly pushed for future offerings. He specifically cited greed on numerous occasions now. There's no doubt that's the sore point.

I think Swen wants to be polite and not be a part of a mob screaming at Hasbro so he took the route he did. Hasbro and WoTC are in a state of collapse and there are rumors of a sale of D&D to Tencent. I gave WoTC the last dollar they ever received from me about 5 years ago. That will absolutely not change if Tencent buys them. Hasbro complained about only being able to wring 90 million out of their contract with Larian. Swen made the comment that they had already started on DLC for BG3 and were looking at ideas toward BG4. They would/could not be doing work on a DLC without a contractual ability to do so and permission from the IP rights holder. I'm here for whatever Larian makes but it's a damn shame that greed is killing the best CRPG of all time. The game sold 15 million copies. That's about 900 million before cuts from software sellers. Hasbro made 90 million. there is no way they didn't demand more. They likely went to him with dollar signs in their eyes and said something to the effect of "You can make a game in any D&D setting you want but we want 50%". I don't blame him if that's the case. So we could have seen an Icewind Dale 3, Dark Sun, Ravenloft, or anything else and while that's a damn shame, I'm sure I'll love what they come up with.

@rogadip

2 ай бұрын

FyI Tencent owns a big stake of Larian, so I sm pretty sure you will give Tencent money in the future ;)

@tihonannenkov4114

2 ай бұрын

What is the problem with Tencent? They own a huge stake in Larian and own GGG games, and still Path of Exile is THE only free game with MTX I played as pertains to it's finance model, there is zero pay to win in any shape or form.

@erekthus

2 ай бұрын

China commies

@lareolanKFP

2 ай бұрын

@@tihonannenkov4114 The problem with Tencent is like everything in China they're a CCP tool for infiltrating and destabilizing western society. They're a literal trojan horse.

@Mendoza-yi6qk

Ай бұрын

Best case scenario Paizo gets their hands on WotC.

Larian worked with Hasbro for 7 years, through all the scandals Hasbro and WOTC went through in said years. You made a good analysis and I think you are spot on. Sven cant stomach working with them anymore even though he said through gritted teeth they were fine to work with. I also imagine WOTC would be more hands on during the development of a BG4 pushing DEI and having a lot of "You can't do that, You can't do this, You must add this' it would be torture to deal with. With their own IP Larian will have total freedom, I imagine they crave just that.

I was kinda hoping to one day see the upper city and flesh out Karlachs story

@uwuingallnight7381

2 ай бұрын

Same, she really got the short end of the stick with that cut, I'm glad she gets a good ending but knowing there was more for her makes it bittersweet

@Einomar

2 ай бұрын

Swen said they are still working on content for bg3 including mod support. That content might be stuff that they didn't have time to add before release or stuff they have come up with since. Maybe even Karlach and Wyll content since many fans find it lacking. Larian has been good with listening to the community in the past and added stuff in their definitive editions of their games. Both DoS 1 and 2 got one, I would be very surprised if bg3 don't get one. A definitive edition is not the same as a dlc or expansion.

@HaouRex

2 ай бұрын

@@Einomar definitive editions is free for those who have the game right?

@Einomar

Ай бұрын

@@HaouRex Yes :)

@gamingoverlord8854

Ай бұрын

@@HaouRex It is when you buy a Larian game :)

Won't be surprised if larian hires those people and makes a ttrpg for divinity or just picks up critical roles new system

@mduckernz

2 ай бұрын

More likely to build their own new system, I think

@LB-yg2br

2 ай бұрын

lol critical roles “new system” haha good one

@comyuse9103

Ай бұрын

no way in hell would they pick up that system. while i haven't played it personally and have absolutely no plans on it, it doesn't look like it could even vaguely function in a crpg.

A little inside tea i know is that wizards and hasbro are horrible to work with. The main reason too why larian never came with any BG3 merch, besides the mindflayer shirts. So ye no more content for BG3 in big forms, but theres still stuff being added right now, like scenes, endings and other quality of life things. BUT their working on their next game and im sure it will be awesome once again

@thismissivemisfit

2 ай бұрын

I initially found it strange that artists were selling homemade BG3 merch left, right and center on social media freely, with no restraints. Not that I'm complaining, it certainly had a part in free advertisement for the game. I think Larian predicted this would happen and was happy to let it be. They're not interested in chasing that sort of thing like Hasbro and Disney, just focusing on making the best games for gamers of all levels. I haven't played this game yet, but I plan to once my finances are in order. If the merch was more affordable, especially for my local currency, I'd be ordering those too.

@rosalacroix6447

2 ай бұрын

@@thismissivemisfit yeah basically they did not give any rights for any other merch. Which is a huge lost opportunity because i think alot of people would love merch from their fav charachters etc . BG3 is a great game and its still being fine tuned as we speak. ITs good for larian to step away from Wizards and hasbro

Feels like Hasbro and WOTC are going the way of "We will sell licensing now and that's it. No more creating content." Based on all the internal and external moves they are making.

@comyuse9103

Ай бұрын

honestly, i'd kinda support that. wizards can't make a good game to save their lives, but the settings they ignore could be very fun to play with if a good developer got their hands on them.

@Mendoza-yi6qk

Ай бұрын

@@comyuse9103 I know you heard that a lot in the past 2 years but just play Pathfinder. Paizo seems to be able to handle their people better

@Sorain1

21 күн бұрын

If they would just allow people to make the content without constantly sticking their hands in to 'adjust' it, that would be a viable business model. But we know that won't be the case.

I've played BG 3 now twice and on the third complete playthrough. I feel like I've played THREE completely different stories/games in three playthroughs. Whatever Larian does I can see myself playing BG3 for years and years until the next thing they do which I hear will be GRANDIOSE. I hope it's Fantasy RPG like DOS 3 with cutscenes and story.

@noctoi

2 ай бұрын

Oooh yes!! A DOS game with cutscenes would be heaven! I LOVE DOS:2, that game brought Larian onto my radar and I'm a solid customer of theirs now (unless they somehow do a 'bioware' and mess it up). I cannot WAIT to see what they come up with next!! 🙂

@snaphaan5049

2 ай бұрын

Was the over the top push for gay sex in the beginning Hasbro or Larian's idea? I mean for christs sake the first door you go through is called the sphincter 🤮🤮 Just asking because if it's Hasbro then I have a LOT more respect for Larian.

@noctoi

Ай бұрын

@@snaphaan5049 YOu DO realise a sphincter is a muscle that expands and contracts to allow or stop the passage of matter through the body... A) It's not a "sex organ" and B) it IS a doorway restricting passage through hallways INSIDE a LIVING ship... literally what a sphincter does. But to answer your question, calling it that was a single writers idea, not Larian or WOTC. And C) your bigotry is showing, and it's not pretty.

@snaphaan5049

Ай бұрын

@@noctoi Boohoo. I'm a bigot. Deal with it. 😂😂 A) It's used as a sex organ B) You are trying too hard

@snaphaan5049

Ай бұрын

@@noctoi Boohoo. I'm a bigot. Deal with it. 🤣🤣 A) It's used as a sex organ B) You are trying too hard

Forget killing the golden goose, hasbro management seems to be under the impression chucking it into a wood chipper will yield gold filigree...

I have played games for 30 years. I have never been into D&D and had no idea about a single 5E rule or what 5e was. In only every played MMO's and the last turn based game I played was Final Fantasy 8. Baldur's Gate 3 changed all that. I am now mad into D&D Lore, turn based RPG's and looking into playing D&D. It's a shame there will be no BG3 dlc but Hasbro could really cash in on this if they looked after people like me. They won't but then I'll just play DOS1/2 until the next Larian game.

@Martial_Autist

2 ай бұрын

If you're looking for more quality BG/D&D stuff try the first two games in the series. Especially the second one.

@imppux

2 ай бұрын

If you are looking into playing D&D you should try pathfinder which is essentially D&D but without hasbro.

@danielmason9465

2 ай бұрын

Check out OwlCat's Pathfinder Games. Just as amazing as BG3 (minus the cutscenes).

@jimmylaser5587

2 ай бұрын

@@danielmason9465 not as amazing, the budget is not there

@TheGreatestJediOfAllTime

2 ай бұрын

Play Pillars of Eternity, you won’t regret it. It’s more like the original two Baldurs Gates than Baldurs Gate 3 honestly. And try dragon age origins. Its old, but Baldurs Gate 3 copied its camp and companion system largely. Which is good.

In all fairness - Larian has never been a studio that wanted to release DLCs or expansions and as a matter of fact only one game they made has an expansion (Divinity 2: Ego Draconis has an expansion titled Flames of Vengeance). Swen Vincke himself has always been a supporter of delivering a full game and then moving on to the next project. We will never know for sure if the layoffs impacted Swens decision or not ( I bet it did but that's pure speculation). It is telling though that He specifically said WotC was great to work with. He never mentioned Hasbro - and we all know that the decision to fire all the people was made by Hasbro. Here's something to ease the dissapointment: Not having staff working on a BG3 expansion means that Larians next game will be in our hands sooner - and that's something I'm looking forward to.

Good for Larian tbh. Not everything gotta have 5000 expansion updates and 300 tv shows. One and done is more than enough

@KingArthurWasARoman

2 ай бұрын

Unfortunately for myself, I never played the originals. Never played anything irl other than a homebrew that barely got five or so sessions in. I was hoping for more, because this was my only taste of this world. I enjoyed the environment, the characters, and the game mechanics itself. To me, one and done is like watching the first season, with a cliffhanger, only to find out the show got cancelled. TLDR, not enough of BG3 for me.

@Pachitaro

2 ай бұрын

@@KingArthurWasARoman Wizard playthrough

@almondsai7214

29 күн бұрын

@@KingArthurWasARoman They've got slightly different systems, but you should try out the divinity original sin games by Larian as well. They're the games they made before BG3, they are different but they're still great games.

WOTC's CEO is a former Microsoft CEO... speaking of greedy soulless corporations

Tbf the way he worded it was more in reference to DLC or Expansion in the traditional meaning. As in paid. But they're still providing massive content updates in the form of free patches. So they're not necessarily done with BG3 they're just not going to monetize it further

@wispisang

2 ай бұрын

While you’re not necessarily wrong, they ARE done with making NEW content ideas. They are going to finish up and patch out the things they have promised already but they aren’t going to do anything more after that. Just wrap things up from here. In my opinion at least, I’m okay with it. New content technically isn’t over and while I could go for more it’s not like BG3 goes poof after they’re done adding new things, we can still play it. It’s just being closed out on the developer’s side of things.

@Kurdent1

2 ай бұрын

No they said they will correct bugs and they will leave the game on its own after.

Swen shouts what EVERYBODY wants so say. Its so good to have someone from "inside" with the player's same vision

As soon as Larian tried to work with someone again, they were stabbed in the back again. Well, it's a good thing that no one will take away their own Divinity.

@Mendoza-yi6qk

Ай бұрын

I have the feeling this time it was even worse.

I had that suspicion too. And you're making a coherent case. As much as I like the DnD setting and would have wanted an adventure in Chult, a NWN3, PS:T2 or whatever, I think Larian have made the right decision.

Will the new GDC talks of swen be available online?

I’ve got my original library of 3.5 books. I can play as much as I want for the rest of my life, even if the lights go out.

I like that 'corpo' has entered into the public lexicon.

I frankly am glad that they're letting BG3 go. I didn't think it needed anything more. No more races or expansions. It already had SO MUCH. And Given all the work they've put into it, I'm happy that the devs get to move past this success and not get burnt out but fuel this fire in a new direction that they want to go in now with ideas that wouldn't have worked in DnD as well that they're excited to try. - This is according to a interview with Swen where devs came to him later and thanked him that they weren't going to do any more work on BG3. I can sympathize with feeling of wanting to put an end to a project after having worked on it for so long. Letting it be 'finished' is cathartic even with my most favorite projects. I'd say whatever happens from here in the DnD realm, who ever follows Larian, has a high bar set for them. So here's hoping they try to follow their example.

We have modders to make up for that. I'm honestly happy with how everything turned out and for the awsome job larian did. Silver lining, now we can make our own DLC the way we want it.

What if I told you that a game can be full and whole .... Without a darn DLC? I wish more devs would make complete games at the get go and forget the DLC boom. This way we get a whole new Larian game quicker too.

@MistyKathrine

2 ай бұрын

You mean like RPGs that were made for 4th-6th generation gaming consoles? There were a lot of great RPGs on those consoles and none of them had or needed DLCs or expansions.

@Sensenoi6

2 ай бұрын

@@MistyKathrine Yes, for example. The DLC boom has exploded in the 2000's and become a norm. It really doesn't have to be. Like Larian said, they didn't want to do a DLC in the first place, just a complete game. At the end of the year they started to consider it because they felt that they HAD TO. This is a problem nowadays. Half-heartedly made expansion could've soured the success of the game, and the game really doesn't need an expansion.

@kraqah

2 ай бұрын

Expansions -used- to be awesome. Dragon Age Awakenings, Fallout New Vegas etc were just as good (or better) than the game they were expanding from. I figured it was more likely a Larian produced DLC would be something along those lines as opposed to the typical-these-days nickel and diming of people for a few new features.

@Sensenoi6

2 ай бұрын

@@kraqah There are good DLC for sure - But the bottom line is that Larian didn't want to make one to begin with. And DnD leveling system would make it very hard to up the maximum level. As Larian put it, if their heart isn't in it, it's better not to do it. They are excited about their new project, so it's better that they start to work with that. DLC shouldn't be something that the devs HAVE TO do. Not every game needs it.

@francisxavier8374

Ай бұрын

@@kraqah the cyberpunk 2077 expansion is also fuckin great also most bl1 and bl2 dlcs were pretty good

Hasbro/WotC no doubt wants micro transactions, Sven has intentionally said "Nope" to that idea publicly. It's pretty easy to see the difference in ethos.

Unfortunate the Larian doesn't own the D&D IP. Although I like the Divinity universe somewhat, it doesn't hold a candle to the Forgotten Realms. Disappointing that BG3 will be the only D&D game from Larian, but Sven obviously has no interest in working with (and enriching) Hasbro.

@spellandshield

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, I like Divinity fine but it simply does not have the same scope as FR or DnD. Next game won't be Divinity so it will be a surprise.

@SPSteve

2 ай бұрын

I hope it's not a space game, I'm just not into that. Something post-apocalyptic might be ok, but hopefully they stay with the medieval fantasy genre.@@spellandshield

@spellandshield

2 ай бұрын

@@SPSteve He said it will be familiar so who knows?

@SeventhheavenDK

2 ай бұрын

For me it's totally the opposite. I liked BG3, it was a good game, but I just simply didn't like it as much as the Divinity Original Sin games, dnd rules feel very restrictive and the gameplay is way better in the DOS games, I also prefer the lore in the DOS world. So I hope that they focus on that franchise again.

what you think about David Jaffee opinions on Sven spech at the awards?

Sad for the fact that no extra DLC from Larian. But glad Sven and Larian are done with WotC and Hasbro. Looking forward to what the modders will do though. Fuck the greedy corporate fat cats. Peace.

It is simple: Hasbro thinks the Brand holds the Power - not the Studio. They think they can now profit on the Success of Larians BG3 and thus make a BG4 and Spinoffs for themself. Also, hasbro and WotC working hard on the DungeonMaster-AI to aloow Players to play whenever wherever they are - without the need of other pesky Humans, and this is where I agree, it is a hassle to play with thoose running wild all over the Places, triggering scenes without the P?arty beeing even close to be present and wildly murderhobo everyone. they simply "do not need" Laqrian anymore and also the changes in Licensing and the treatment of the Fans and Creators, even of the own Staff, makes one with all senses intact walk away asap with all you got - which is in this Case BG3 and ones own freedom. This - sadly - makes even sense for Hasbro as enough Idiots will buy now all the Merch they coff up and all the cheap shite they will produce in the wake of this to make it profitable. Just enjoy BG3 as long as you can and then look out for something else until Larian shows up again. At this moment, they have my trust after the Divinitys and BG3 - hell, I am with them from the beginning with LMK, in which I set great hopes and was really sad about it beeing sacked (In Skyrim is a Reference to that Game or better, its Demo that was shown.)

What makes me respect a lot for Swen and Larian is that besides making a generational gem of a game, they are using whatever attention they have now to also address many of the problems plaguing the games industry (for years), from layoffs, mtx, publisher and shareholders greed etc. In fact, their advocacy for more humane and passionate approach to game dev is already inspiring some studios to go independent already, like Toys for Bob. Hopefully they'll stay this way and leave long-term positive effects on the industry for years to come.

Interesting thing with Josh Sawyer. He worked on a canceled Baldur’s Gate 3 back when Interplay had the license.

I blame WoTC more than Hasbro, but they are both to blame.

I'm sure Pathfinder would be happy to have them make a game in their setting. Then again, the Pathfinder mechanics are really complicated and I would say not ideal.

@joshDammmit

2 ай бұрын

Pathfinder is sooooooo much better

@renaissancenovice7202

2 ай бұрын

​@@joshDammmithey, you don't have to convince me to play Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous with better UI, full voiceover and multiplayer.

@francisxavier8374

Ай бұрын

pathfinder already got owlcat, they've been doing great if anything owlcat could leverage the success of bg3 to ask for more money so they can make a bigger game none of the larian games have rules as complex as pathfinder (no idea how complex pathfinder 2 is) honestly divinity original sin's ruleset is less complex than dnd 5e basically they would lose some of the mainstream appeal that made bg3/5e so goddamn successful

@Mendoza-yi6qk

Ай бұрын

@@renaissancenovice7202 Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous biggest problem is literally Unity. That Engine is so unstable for todays standarts even though it is one of the easier ones to mod. If they would switch and learn to work with a better engine I'm pretty sure they could make a game that will be remembered like BG3.

This.....was a really good synopsis! I especially appreciated the videos you used to back up your list of reasons for Larian's decision. Instead of using an annoying face cam, you simply provided video to back up your assertion. I appreciated that.

The writting was on the wall with swen interview. Leaving D&D is Hard thing to do even if you burn out you want to leave the door open to come back. This is not what happened, this was hard breakup.

Hasbro has become the most reviled company of the decade. Right up there with Enron. Nobody i know respects WOTC or Hasbro for decades now. I grew up with D&D and hate seeing this. Just ask any Magic the Gathering fan. They'll tell you. I would join a WOTC Hate club. It's TSR all over again.

I thought Larian said that they just aren't doing anymore with D&D because they'd rather focus on their own stuff. Did WOTC really sabotage thier relationship? wanted Larian to make some Microtransactions or something?

@ConnorCrispy

2 ай бұрын

No, this is just clickbait. Sven even put out a statement that he loved working with WotC and that he and the team wanted to go in a different direction.

@mal2ksc

2 ай бұрын

@@ConnorCrispy That's called "not burning bridges". If you don't say something regrettable now, you don't have to apologize or walk it back later.

@dirkstiletto

Ай бұрын

​@@mal2ksc That's just an anti-disparagement clause at work.

At the very least, if Larian is done with BG3, at least they add all the stuff they cut back into the game before they leave, or make it so that it becomes possible for modders to add the things back in.

My biggest question is Whats the next project Larian studios going to undertake?

I was a fan of Larian before BG3, and will be a fan after, so I feel no loss.

I've done some business with Hasbro. However bad you think that would be, multiply it by 10 and add a billion.

Does this mean Larian isn’t going to release the Definitive Edition for BG3? Adding back in the majority of cut content?

@spellandshield

2 ай бұрын

I think this conclusion is very likely but you hey, you never know.

I haven't had any real love for D&D since they phased out D&D 3.5 for the board gamey 4th edition and depthless 5th. Some of my friends still loved D&D, so I occasionally humored them, but Hasbro simply *trying* to rescind the OGL has made never buying, playing or worrying about D&D again a very easy commitment. 😊

@spellandshield

2 ай бұрын

Pathfinder is the way to go....would be wonderful if Larian made a Pathfinder game!

I believe that Larian have gained enough traction of their own as a studio to go out and make a game of their own. I don't beleve for a second that it had anything to do with what Hasbro did or didn't do in terms of, say OLG, and other stuff. We may think that those things matter, but to the absolute vast majority of the people enjoying their games it doesn't matter at all. They just play games.

this news broke me tbh im used to be a try hard only playing competitive games and really rarely story games but baldurs gate 3 came to a perfect time where i was fed up with cheaters and wanted to try something new i thaught i would only play couple of hours and go back to cs or rainbow but hell no im close to 1k hours now and i even got into dnd what i always thaught is a nerd only game well now im a nerd that cant get enough i even modded 5e spells and insanely many new races and classes into my game and after finding this new love and satisfaction i hear they litteraly drop the whole thing and i will never get any new content

@comyuse9103

Ай бұрын

you should try out pathfinder, or world of darkness, or chronicles of darkness, or shadowrun, or literally any game that isn't DnD. DnD is not a very good game, i'd say it is easily one of the worst i have ever played (out of around 10 systems).

So, Pathfinder Larian game is possible now?

Wait until Larian starts making games for Critical Roles Daggerheart. It's going to be epic. Take that Wotc!

We all know Hasblow ruined D&D they want to sink their ship faster and faster

The sliver lining of Hasbro is that we can make fun of the CEO's name.

Much as I love the Baldur's Gate series of games, and it would have been nice if they'd made expansions, I think it's awesome if they get away from poisonous companies like Hasbro and Wizards Of The Coast.

Man. We could've had a NWN 3 and WotC and Hasbro fucked it.

Thank you for this. Until a couple days ago everyone had jumped on the "they're never making BG content again!!" bandwagon but *nobody* was providing the original source. I figured it was true after a few days, because everyone was repeating it, but it honestly felt like clickbait. This solidifies it as fact, but also shows a whole lot of context that nobody else has shared. It makes much more sense now.

Good. A graceful bow for all the work they've done and the joy they brought. I want nothing than for them to succeed, and the best way to now is to peruse their own work.

In Swen we trust. If this guy says no he’s not making any DLC for a project you know there’s some bullshit he can’t get past.

i have a wet dream where larian makes a game in world of darkness setting

@spellandshield

2 ай бұрын

Paradox owns it so unlikely...

@bathsaltshero

2 ай бұрын

@@spellandshield and wotc/hasbro owned dnd. similar situation.

To be honest, I thought your title was clickbait when I first saw it. However, I gave it a chance based on your past content, and wouldn't you know, I think you're right on the money. Swen said on his tweet that WOTC was great; what he didn't say is "but it's no longer great, because the people who were a pleasure to work with were fired, as Hasbro considered them expendable." And yeah, as a developer, as a human being, if they treat your friends like that, but keep asking you to make them money, you tell them to piss off. If that wasn't the case, I think Larian would at least be willing to work with another studio to continue expanding Baldur's Gate, or do an Icewind Dale game. That they just said "nope, we're done, it's your IP, we trust (read: not really) you'll do right by the fans" is telling.

I wonder if I should cancel my order for BG3 physical deluxe edition. Which they still haven’t shipped.

Good for them. If they allow Hasbro or whatever to chain them the story of Bioware and EA will repeat. Now, I hope that now that BG3 is done, Larian finally goes back (after a good deserved Vacation 😂) to Divinity Original Sin. BG3 is cool and all, but I prefer DOS.

This means Divinity Original Sin 3 will be a massive hit.

I don't know the real reason why Larian won't continue working on Baldur's Gate, but I fully trust them. I believe that good stories must end, and that's the case with BG3. Larian now has enough money to work on their next project and do things the way they want. Whatever they are cooking, it will be amazing, so Larian just take my money!!

Think in bussiness way, Sven is smart to use D&D ip to push Larian into the triple A status. So now he got an absurd amount of money, no way he want to pay Hasbro to extend the contract while knowing they propably gonna jack up the price like 10 times. To me, this is smart business move from Larian.

Don't blame just Hasbro. Womits of the Coast are to blame just as much or even more.

Imagine Larian taking over the dnd franchise. Wouldnt that be a sight.

Man it's so saddening to think about, but the bonus is like you said Larian can set out on their own path now

It's a shame we won't get more Larian D&D but I'm also very keen for a return to the Divinity universe so I think it'll work out okay.

Holy shit. The whole gaming landscape is so fucking depressing at the moment. Add to this the mess Capcom made of Dragon‘s Dogma 2… I‘m really getting tired of this

Yawn. Larian said FROM THE START that there will be no DLCs for BG3, if anyone is surprised or disappointed, it’s because they didn’t pay attention. While it’s always fun to blame Hasbro and WotC for everything - they have nothing to do with it. They also didn’t “ruin” BG3 - BG3 is an excellent game, that stands as the equal of its predecessors, and that’s saying A LOT.

@jimbojones6830

2 ай бұрын

I think Larian may have been planning to release more classes/races but hasbro wouldn't allow them to release it for free and was trying to force them to make it a DLC or other such paid thing. Which is why they are only releasing small ending changes and patches because that is stuff that Hasbro can't effectively stop them from doing. But this is all speculation without seeing the contracts and correspondence between Larian and Hasbro, but Hasbro has proven themselves to be disrespectful and untrustworthy to fans.

@1031985

2 ай бұрын

@@jimbojones6830 Larian said at the beginning exactly which classes and races will be included in the game. I don’t know where you people get this stuff. We knew from day 1 exactly what is and isn’t included in the game, and Larian has stayed true to that.

please be turn based please be turn based please be turn based

I will never stop being surprised by large companies' ability to crap where they eat.

Yeeeea... No. There's a great interview with Sven over on IGN today, and what leapt out to me was that the team were visibly relieved when Sven decided they weren't going to be working on DLC or a sequel but rather something entirely new. Trying to say otherwise is just copium, verging on conspiracy theory.

@SlatsAU

2 ай бұрын

They are creatives, they've been working on BG3 for years and years. As well as Divinity. I can totally understand why they are excited to work on something small, then something huge and all their own after. I think whether or not the relationship with Hasbro was sour, this would have been the outcome. Sven seems very passioniate about keeping his devs and not cycling through them after every project like the rest of the industy, and making what they are passionate about and love. So I 100% agree, all this is just people looking ofr a bad guy or someone to blame.

@tomwest5107

2 ай бұрын

it would also just be unfeasible to create a BG3 expansion due to how DND rules work (characters becoming near invincible after level 12 /computer then needing to rely on unfair and unfun mechanics to add difficulty). and there would always be an expectation that BG4 lives up to or exceeds BG3 and that's not a good mindset for a team to have. also, from my experience more content does not necessarily make games better - only hurts what made the prior game/games great.

@kittydaddy2023

2 ай бұрын

Suit up, we're going to space, bros

I cannot help but think that Larian is going to get a lesson in “band dynamics”, and by band, I mean that in reference to a musical group. It is very common for certain members of a band to believe THEY are the band, and they tend to move away from their original band, and flounder after. I understand why Larian wants to move on from D&D, but I bought BG3 because it IS a D&D game. I have not liked their other offerings. If they move away from D&D, I will NOT buy it. I do not like their world building. Thus, I think this could very likely end up being like a band breaking up because one member of the band thought they were why the band sold well. For this reason, I am likely done with Larian. Unless they can completely reverse every aspect of their concept of world building, I simply will not be interested… At all. I hope Sven understands that they are ditching a “captive audience”, and that will likely hurt their ability to reach the gamers they want to reach.

@spellandshield

2 ай бұрын

I am a DnD veteran and it is was huge factor for me too. I played DOS and DOS2 but they did not suck me in like BG3 did and I am not entirely confident they have the necessary world building skills to creates something compelling.