Trump vs Biden, Israel, and the Sabotaging of America's Future | Dave Rubin
In this interview John talks to Dave Rubin, author, TV personality and political commentator.
John and Dave discuss the current political landscape of America, commenting on the upcoming US election in a time of deep polarisation.
Dave examines the ineptitude found in the political class, and the contrasting roles of Generation X and Z for securing a hopeful future in America.
Exploring the geopolitical consequences of the October 7 attack on Israel, they also assess the various perspectives on Israel and Hamas, and their ramifications for the West.
Dave Rubin is an author, comedian, and TV personality best known for his political commentary.
He is the host of The Rubin Report and his latest book is Don’t Burn This Country: Surviving and
Thriving in Our Woke Dystopia.
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00:00 Intro
01:46 The Exodus From Blue States
14:44 The 2024 Presidential Election
17:34 America Divided
22:27 Is There Hope?
27:38 A Selfish Society
32:43 Israel and Hamas
35:24 The West's Outlook on Israel
51:18 Lack of Leadership in the West
54:09 Will Joe Biden Make the Cut?
57:51 Trump and Isolationism
01:01:33 Dave's Predictions for 2024
01:04:28 Outro
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The tide is turning. I wasn't going crazy. It was their gaslighting. Thank you to all of the amazing, intelligent men out there who support and care about women and children and the chaos of the woke movement.
@robsgonesailing
Ай бұрын
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@CharlesParent-cm8wo
28 күн бұрын
😊
@TheLucanicLord
27 күн бұрын
Nothing says you care about women like insisting they be permanently pregnant.
@lindasanderlin4444
23 күн бұрын
Amen
@XanderNiks
20 күн бұрын
Don't fool yourself. We need to defend ourselves and fight back to reclaim our societies.
Continued prayers for the IDF the hostages in their families we stand with Israel bring them home🙏🌼🤝
@DesertMotors
25 күн бұрын
Funny you'd be prayer for them when the IDF and Israeli government doesn't care about those hostages... well, they don't care about them coming home safely. They care about them as pawns to justify their genocide.
Thoroughly enjoyed this talk - what a blessing to hear two sane men talking sense!
@robsgonesailing
Ай бұрын
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@lesliehouser1131
24 күн бұрын
Amen
To visit Israel is to visit the history of the world, as I did. It is a very enlightening experience.
@robsgonesailing
Ай бұрын
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@safashaikh2894
22 күн бұрын
😂😂😂😂 that's quite a joke
I am so impressed by the comments on this outstanding exchange that I have nothing left but to THANK YOU...🇺🇸🇮🇱👍
When KZread talkshow interviews have a better understanding of geopolitics than global leaders, and more courage, we're on in a strange and dangerous place
@robsgonesailing
Ай бұрын
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Dave said it all, lets hope more young listen
@retiredby3570
Ай бұрын
Hope is the strategy? Congratulations dude
@DesertMotors
25 күн бұрын
Yes, that's what we need, a generation of children listening to one of the dumbest men in America.
@lesliehouser1131
24 күн бұрын
I've been working on my grandchildren, it's not easy when they've been so brainwashed, along with their parents. Not giving up though. Praying for America and the World.
I am so inspired by ARC and the people who represent it. As an Australian John is a national treasure. As someone who spends many months a year in the U.S. and is a daily Ruben report listener, Dave you are the number one voice of sanity. Now go punch a clown 😂
@Gad-yn4xd
Ай бұрын
Clowns life matters, please don’t punch a clown 🤡.
@robsgonesailing
Ай бұрын
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@user-ul9dv2iv9s
29 күн бұрын
Trump is OK by Ruben as he says. With a bit of luck he'll be able to return to California once the whole country is a dictatorship.
The Jewish people are the most peaceful loving people I know. They didn’t start this. I stand with Israel all the way. This is a spiritual war between good and evil. Great conversation gentlemen! Thank you 🇳🇱❤️🇮🇱🙏🏻🎗️
@rolisreefranch
24 күн бұрын
Jew is not a dirty word
@lesliehouser1131
24 күн бұрын
Agree 100 %
@ruthegan8524
20 күн бұрын
good vs evil
America has turned their back on God, when you leave God out of the equation, everything starts falling apart. Man wants to be his own god.
@mattfoltz7752
Ай бұрын
The Left wants Government to be God.
@robsgonesailing
Ай бұрын
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@user-ul9dv2iv9s
29 күн бұрын
Really. A country of rampaging athiests are they?
@DirkusTurkess
26 күн бұрын
This dude literally bought a baby. F*** Rubin.
@spudwesth
25 күн бұрын
The new God will be Allah.
Thank you, John, for another fascinating and necessary interview. Dave Rubin is a gem. God bless you both!
Excellent discussion gentlemen. Thank you. Let's hope common sense prevails this year.
An insightful conversation between two powerful minds
@user-ul9dv2iv9s
29 күн бұрын
Why are Americans addled with pharmaceuticals. Isvit because it's pushed endlessly through the dark arts of advertising as the norm. Maybe it's about time that universal health care might alleviate the need for self medication?
Great show John, it addressed so many modern issues. Much appreciated.
What a discussion of moment and relevance. We are indeed on either the precipice of doom or redemption. May good people stand and thus far and no more and begin to proclaim the truth.
@ruthegan8524
20 күн бұрын
A time of deecision.
They certainly will come into our country. Albo is importing 2000, Palestinian refugees with poor security checks into Australia every week.
@natangurfinkel
Ай бұрын
השמאלניים לא מבינים כלום 😢
@robsgonesailing
Ай бұрын
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@llee8325
Ай бұрын
Insane. You'll reap what you have sown.
@user-ul9dv2iv9s
29 күн бұрын
Why are they leaving Israel?
As an Australian who voted for the opposition at the time John was a deputy prime minister, 1999 to 2005, I still respected his capacity as a leader, and strategic thinker. Great discussion
@robsgonesailing
Ай бұрын
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A lot to think of. Two great thinkers. Thank you.🧡
One of the best discussions I've ever heard, filled with insights and giving food for thought. Thank you John and Dave.
@DesertMotors
25 күн бұрын
So this is the first discussion you've ever heard?
The best reporter in the world. What knowledge, what memory, what investigation.
Insightful. People should listen to this to educate themselves. Thank you both 💜
@robsgonesailing
Ай бұрын
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Really good interview. Both intelligent men 👍
@keithwillis5207
Ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂
@DesertMotors
25 күн бұрын
lol.
Thank you for your clarity and wisdom gentlemen🙏
Very good talk, we need more of these.
Fantastic interview, as usual, John. Thanks.
Again, another great conversation Mr Anderson
John, nice to listen to this conversation with Dave Rubin. Conversation is the only way toward seeking God's Will be Done. #BlessedBeThee🐦
Hey Dave, anytime you are in the Panhandle the first beverage is on me brother... I don't agree with your lifestyle, but I respect you as a man and we share a similar societal and Constitutional line of thought. Heck, I'd be scared if we agreed on EVERYTHING!!! 🤣🤣God Bless to you and yours!!!
Not a huge fan of Rubin, but he totally nailed his opening remarks on Israel. (Not that I have much actual political disagreement with him on anything.)
Great discussion
Great interview. 2 great gentleman
People like myself, Dispensational Pre-millenial Christians, have been talking for decades about the relevance and survival of Israel, the Middle East, the growing threat of Islam to the west, the soft underbelly of progressives, the rise of paganism in the west (much of the Mesopotamian cults are represented in the rainbow movement) and a host of other subjects facing us now. The late Chuck Missler and Chuck Smith were such voices of warning in the 70s to 2010, today Dr Andy Woods, Greg Laurie and Mark Driscoll and so forth are today's voices in my sphere.
@marcbra5074
Ай бұрын
Well researched. Well written.
Trump is in excellent health. Never smoked, did drug or drank alcohol. Plus Trump isn’t a child predator.
@ruthegan8524
20 күн бұрын
a great foundation for mental health
What unites any country is love for the country. Half of Americans hate this country, some aren't even citizens or some immigrants never became a part of American culture. 😢
@strawberriesncandii
23 күн бұрын
Exactly! 😢
The only thing keeping me in California is my job. It was such a beautiful, fun place at one time. Now I look to move to somewhere more conservative.
@user-ul9dv2iv9s
29 күн бұрын
How conservative was it once upon a time? As an outsider it always seemed progressive. I assumed that conservatism as represented by the GOP appears more like fascism than conservative.
@user-we2qv1cx6x
27 күн бұрын
@@user-ul9dv2iv9s I am not originally from here…that is how I noticed quicker than others that something was amiss. Many have swam in these waters since birth and know no different. I having grown up in the country, on a ranch, far from here, initially thought I was crazy, but I seem to be the sane one. I study the classics, ancient languages and work 6 days a week helping people.
@sharonalbanese8084
21 күн бұрын
It is so sad. I'm an Australian and we went there for our honeymoon in 2000 and absolutely loved it. What a tragedy to see what it has become.
@julieconnard4372
15 күн бұрын
@user-ul9dv2iv9s HI there! I'm curious - where did you get that idea about the GOP? And what country did you come from?
@user-we2qv1cx6x
15 күн бұрын
@@user-ul9dv2iv9sI have lived in a few states. My favorites have been Alaska and Utah. Both places are more conservative. Perhaps I am just in the wrong place. But from people I have spoken to who lived here for decades, they moved away upon retirement because they could not take it anymore.
As a tail-end boomer, i think many of us don’t retire and pass the baton, is that we can’t afford to. I doubt that applies to our politicians, however.
Absolutely correct!
Two great men - thank you
Thank you for a very interesting exchange. We here in France do share so many of the same concerns; but hopeful signs of spiritual revival are emerging here and there, from young and less young ones refusing to reject our roots, our history, as well as those values our ancestors have often died for.
@ruthegan8524
20 күн бұрын
God made great plans for his people on earth. If you break his laws and follow things on his abomination list, you break yourself and your country On His laws.
Wish Mr. Rubin would let his guesrs speak morel. Ilike listening to this channel and hope Dave reads this comment
The Honorable John Anderson was such a genuine politician.. as our Deputy PM. M. Tasmania
What a really excellent interview, thank you both. 👏👏👏
Great interview! Daniel Pipes's 1989 essay, "The Years the Arabs Discovered Palestine" argues that 1920 was when Arabs in the Holy Land ceased to identify with a Greater Syria and started to identify themselves as Palestinians, largely because of what they perceived as the Zionist threat. For people who want to cancel Israel, an indepedent Palestine is still an attractive goal. For people who want peace in the Holy Land, it is hard to see what could be gained from creating an Arab East and West Pakistan. Gaza and the West Bank should continue to have separate governments.
@rajdialnandram5676
Күн бұрын
For long term stability the division should be the River as the British had proposed. And like the separation between India and Pakistan. West of the River for Israel and East of the River for the Arabs.
@andrewbaldwin4454
Күн бұрын
@@rajdialnandram5676 Thank you for your reply, Rajdial. Yes, the Jordan River would have made a clean border between Israel and Jordan, with Jews to the west of it and Arabs to the east. But we are where we are, and it is too late for that now. However, I see no future for the Palestine that everyone in the West seems to imagine, an Arab East and West Parkistan. Pardon my ignorance, but what river was used to separate India and Pakistan at the time of partition?
@rajdialnandram5676
17 сағат бұрын
@@andrewbaldwin4454 No river. The subcontinent was so large that the British carved out East and West to accommodate the multiple millions of Muslims centered in eastern and western India. Also Kashmir with a predominant muslim population but under a Hindi leader chose to remain independent. But as soon as the British left West Pakistan moved to take Kashmir as their own due to their " Muslim brothers". India intervened and Kashmir became divided. There will be no peace with Islam until the whole world is subdued by them ,as the Quran commands, or Islam is totally destroyed. Again , read the Quran and be forewarned of the Hamas and Hezbollah and Iranian and Turkish agenda. This is not alarmist but the reality. If hundreds millions of people in India could be resettled a few millions of Arabs in Gaza and the West Bank could be successfully resettled in Jordan and Lebanon , both modern day states belonged to Turkey only recently . But the Quran does not permit lands once occupied by Muslims to be given over to no Muslims. So in the eyes of the Muslims Israel will always belong to them and it is their obligation to reconquer Israel. These western students don't know what they are doing by supporting Gaza. And it is estimated that around 8 to 10 million foreigners are willing to be resettled in the US via Mexico. The Palestinians just don't want to live at peace with Israel.
You all know exactly how history will judge this. No amount of stock music, no amount of excuses and "western world this", "democracy that" talk will get you out of it.
@ruthegan8524
20 күн бұрын
Everyone talking democracy ain't doin' it.
John, the mandates, which were a human rights abuse, were not restricted to Victoria.
@morcosboci
Ай бұрын
Exactly, and wasn't limited to the Labor party either, the federal government was just as complicit as the NSW Premier!
@grannyannie2948
Ай бұрын
@@morcosboci I saw Morrison's smug beaming face as Schwab personally praised him. And we had a LNP government at the time. People with heart problems everywhere just to keep food on their table. 😢
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@user-ul9dv2iv9s
29 күн бұрын
As soon as SA was forced to open up, the death rate soared through the roof from virtually nothing. And SA was nowhere near as draconian as Victoria. Yes, the country needed to open up but not in the way New South Wales was mismanaged which was eventually the model.
@grannyannie2948
29 күн бұрын
@@user-ul9dv2iv9s My state was had no extremes during covid either. My take on the situation was that both major parties wanted to go back to high immigration to raise GDP. However they'd frightened the people for too long, hence the need for the safe and effective.
Enjoyed this talk.
Such a great interview, thank you John & Dave 🙏
There is a blues bar here in Glendale Az that wouldn't let you in if you didn't have proof of getting the vax that's how crazy it was here
@niceworkabc
Ай бұрын
It was all bars/pubs/clubs, movie theaters, and many shops that the unvaxed were barred from in Australia ... they had QR code scanners at the door and someone standing there to check it. Many also wouldn't take cash 🙄 There were some rebel establishments, but they did it with the threat of prosecution.
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Ай бұрын
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@user-ul9dv2iv9s
29 күн бұрын
And how many lives did it save until the Vax fell into place. Who knows how many thousands.
@heidijoyce6601
27 күн бұрын
@@niceworkabc Yes also haircuts, I remember we needed proof of the jab for a haircut. Living in West Melbourne with in The Ring of Steel and not being allowed to travel more than 5 kms, let us never ever forget what they forced upon us and how many lost their livelihood and many took their own lives, just awful.
Desantis made a couple vital mistakes...like not criticizing the weaponized legal attacks against Trump
Excellent and insightful
Excellent video. As for your guest, how about this, let’s try stop invading and destroying other countries and then see how we are treated.
@robsgonesailing
Ай бұрын
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One of my college friends went straight to the top. We also have the smarts of our black people.
@ruthegan8524
20 күн бұрын
We need to become color blind.
Spot on!
The voting system in California has been corrupted for over forty years. It has become worse over time. Also, they pushed through the open primary system therefore guaranteeing a single-party system. Three-quarters of the state effectively has no representation in Sacramento. I would love to leave myself. However as a retiree with a limited income, that just isn't possible. I can't afford the six to ten thousand dollars it costs to move!
Great interview!
If you do not know how to deal with Trump, you talk with him , not attack as De Santis and Pence did
@llee8325
Ай бұрын
Pence is a Judas to America. Puke.
@user-ul9dv2iv9s
29 күн бұрын
Put the crook into prison.
@lesliehouser1131
24 күн бұрын
@@user-ul9dv2iv9s👈 There's one born every second.
@ruthegan8524
20 күн бұрын
Yes
Good on you John. Lyn
Great sensible discussion. Thanks
I moved out of terrible BLUE Illinois, retiring early from law enforcement, getting penalized heavily for it and moved to RED Montana. I did this 2 years ago and it was one of the best things I've ever done. Chicago runs Illinois & it makes me sick. So glad I'm gone.
Brilliant guys
😊 Good information and informative interview
Just the beginning - true
Why has the “like” been reduced since yesterday? Are they shadow banning this discussion? Too wise? Too common sense? Excellent discussion
@ruthegan8524
20 күн бұрын
You are a sharp one. Of course, there are those watching and trying to manage us.
First they come for the Saturday worshippers, then they will come for the Sunday worshipers
@blokeVB
Ай бұрын
Never friday
@ruthegan8524
20 күн бұрын
They want the only worshipping to be the STATE. God is not mocked.
Thanks great show
Dave may be right in general but to say that an older person is not technological savvy is not correct. I'm almost 80 and still have to help younger people with computer programs and to explain world affairs.
@wiserthanwise54
Ай бұрын
Interestingly he's talking to an older guest😂
@EgilWar
Ай бұрын
@@wiserthanwise54 All people are different. The "older gentleman" was a farmer and politician.
@user-ul9dv2iv9s
29 күн бұрын
How's your extensive property portfolio going. The investments have compounded nicely over the past few decades I see.
chanters don't solve problems. They simply scapegoat
The problem with DeSantis for me was when I saw Jeb Bush standing behind him while he spoke one time, with a big, big grin on this face. That did it for me. That meant the establishment Republicans were for DeSantis.
People will believe any lie, if its fantastic enough. Really enjoy watching and listening to Dave Rubin, don't agree with everything he says, but hey can't have everything 😏
A brave man to say that. Telling truth is hasardous.
Really accurate on all subjects, nice
Dave. Love ya man! 60 yo here. Problem with Boomers not letting go of their position........we don't trust the generation that's younger. They have proven what they're NOT made of. Not all by any means of course. Pushing back on those comments......
@ruthegan8524
20 күн бұрын
The young ones have been exsposed to Social Marxism which has always failed wherever it is tried.
I added a comment, but it mysteriously vanished?!
@ThomisticAmerican13FOX
Ай бұрын
Happens all the time to me, shadow banned.
@ph8077
Ай бұрын
I think it's to do with words used previously that show dissent to the neo-Marxist narrative espoused by YT. There are only so many ways that one can express the same view (repeating the same opinion is common, assuming that different people view different vids & won't have seen previous comments) & that repetition is picked up by Alphabet's ideological censorship algorithm. Over 90% of my comments that give opinions on salient political/cultural/ideological topics are shadow-banned - I'm usually allowed to post these kinds of comments here though.
@roblangsdorf8758
22 күн бұрын
It happens to me due to a poor internet connection.
@ruthegan8524
20 күн бұрын
Hmm. Big brother is watching.
I like what Mr. Rubin said and hes completely right. Its only logical. I stand with Israel
I like it!
I agree with the young man
Common sense here and logically sound.😊❤
LA & California didn’t have the most strict lockdown. Ontario, Canada did. For a few weeks we weren’t even allowed to leave our homes/properties unless it was for essential reasons. People got tickets & were fined for being outside. And we have a Conservative premier.
Love me some John Anderson!
We need to protect all lives. Lets stop the killing and work towards peace, a way has to found to protect the innocent children involved. Hopefully this statement is be too radical and won't be removed. Peace Dave, peace.
@rajdialnandram5676
19 сағат бұрын
This is a religious war between Islam and the rest of the world. Read the Quran to understand why Hamas/Gaza does not want peace with Israel. To have peace in Gaza the people living there have to totally abandon and forsake Islam , and this would never happen overnight.
Di Santis did not know how to talk against PRES TRUMP, because I think he actually likes Pres Trump and his policies. From what IVE seen Di SANTIS isn't a politician that tallks against other candidates, he's more focused on the right and wrong policies. He's not a "dish the dirt kind of guy" but he has certainly displayed great leadership skills in. Florida
It’s also, interesting that with the downfall of an East coast major city, and a West coast major city, our country is more vulnerable on BOTH SIDES to foreign enemies, and more invasion. De Santis is in a more strategic place in Florida, at this time. He is “holding down a major fort”, in Florida.
@ruthegan8524
20 күн бұрын
He is great governor.
34:05 important that people take in what he is saying here. He is right, this won’t end with Israel.
Cheerful opening statement. 😛
The age average is falling. Life expectancy is falling!
Oh what a night, late December back in '96. Yeah now I get it.
Dave>> We have so many problems at home that "we have no right" to get involve in disputes abroad. THAT IS A TOTAL NON SEQUITUR. Life is complicated. At all levels in life, we have to keep multiple balls in the air. Sometimes you have to put as much energy as you can into bailing out the boat and defer draining the swamp. But if alligators are trying to climb into the boat, you better bail and fight alligators at the same time.
@robsgonesailing
Ай бұрын
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It's about keeping the country as it was in the late 1700's.
"What is rock bottom?" Hard to find...ever. Look at Soviet Union, Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, etc. etc. etc: they never corrected course or admitted they got the system totally wrong.
@mattfoltz7752
Ай бұрын
The Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore.
@pistonburner6448
Ай бұрын
@@mattfoltz7752 Yes: it hit rock bottom without having ever corrected itself. They never corrected course, they stuck with their horrible ideology everyone could see doesn't work.
@user-ul9dv2iv9s
29 күн бұрын
Californian homelessness?
Hamas admitted yesterday that all the hostages are dead. So VERY sad.
John Anderson for PM liberal very intelligent and looks the part
Indonesia during Covid was terrible. Couldn’t even get your license renewed without the jab or even go to the bank. Especially bad for the poor who had no savings. Public servants had it good as they got paid to work at home in their pyjamas.
I fled Washington state with my money and my life in 2020.
⭐
San Francisco is a mess! California some ofit, is a cess pool! 😢
I will be getting my passport ready
We are in grid lock.
No, Dave's 100% wrong. The U.S. does not have to be the world's police in order to be the world's most influential country. In fact its influence is waning precisely because of the problems the U.S. has internally, chiefly the decline of the petrodollar. If the U.S. needs to focus on its economic power and be a lot less preachy to the developing world when it comes to investment there. Point in case in Afghanistan, if hadn't taken their eye off the ball and invaded Iraq, and focused less on alphabet rights and transing Muslim kids and more on improving the socio-economic standards of the average Afghani, especially rural ones, the occupation of Afghanistan would have been a success and its influence would have grown significantly in that region as a result as other peoples looked at Afghanistan and thought, "I wouldn't mind a bit of that myself."
35:00 - 35:12 you just described the UK.
We are still the strongest nation on earth