Being an engineer for 43 years my favorite saying was , you can lie to me about the tonnage , but you can’t lie to the locomotives

@tommythompsonsurfer

4 жыл бұрын

WHAT HAPPENED HERE?? I DO NOT UNDERSTAND?

@avenger007007

4 жыл бұрын

@@tommythompsonsurfer Locomotives were not strong enough to make it up steep grade and rain slick tracks.

@robertheinkel6225

4 жыл бұрын

Well said!

@rrclerk68

4 жыл бұрын

In the days before computers, when clerks added up the tonnage, the yardmaster, just wanting to get the damn cars out of his yard, deliberately fudged the tonnage lower than it was. It was called "pencil-whipping" the tonnage, and the result was about the same, either a stalled train on the hill, or broken knuckles from the surging action.

@lisastallingskeelor3328

4 жыл бұрын

Wow! I know I’m female but imho you had the dream job. Yes, I’m one of those nerdy girls who loves trains. I envy your career. I bet you’ve got stories to tell.

The train slowly coming to a stop, with all the creaks and pops, was mentally satisfying.

@MeisterWalder

4 жыл бұрын

Train ASMR

@anurag-kumar20

4 жыл бұрын

😅

@RipleySawzen

4 жыл бұрын

Goes to show you how long these things would take to roll to a stop without the brakes

@bajatg

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, metal is stressed to the maximum, you have locomotive pulling on one side, and gravity on other.

@125sloth

4 жыл бұрын

Mentality satisfying maybe to some, (not all), rail "enthusiasts" who have their hands in their pockets playing with themselves most of the time.

this guy is like a professional sports commentator for trains

@watcha4me

3 жыл бұрын

If you think this guy's good, check out the channel by the name of Distant Signal

@district2productions

2 жыл бұрын

@@watcha4me we don’t do that here never comment saying to go watch another channel and saying that this guy is worse

@watcha4me

2 жыл бұрын

@@district2productions what the heck are you talking about? I'm recommending another channel for him to add to his viewing library! This video was great! So are the ones posted on Distant Signal... Soooooo have a nice day and pull the stick out of....

@watcha4me

2 жыл бұрын

And who is "we" and where is "here"???

@district2productions

2 жыл бұрын

@@watcha4me we= Railfans here= a Railfan video

I was a CSX ENGINEER for 43 years .I worked the great lakes division .Our bad ass hill was B.D at akron ohio . When we stalled on that hill and there was no one to shove us up which was 99% of the time The conductor would have to walk back and make a cut then he would ride the rear car until we got to a siding then shoved the cut into the siding go back tie on to the train pull up the train to the siding cut off go in get the head cut pull out shove back tie onto the train get the air make air test with my R.D.U release and go .bad part was if it happened in winter it would be really TUFF .and you cant blame the power bearue or how ever you spell it sometimes one of your engines would just break down.

Train engineer: I wonder why there is a guy filming with a tripod. ~3 minutes later~ Train Engineer: I'm giving her all we got Captian!

@johnsmith60

4 жыл бұрын

Mac Omegaly too bad the trains don’t have Hill Assist to help them out 😂😂

@parnavad1794

4 жыл бұрын

they have it.. Without some form of traction control those powered wheels will wheelslip to the moon and beyond

@bjjasper

4 жыл бұрын

Who decides how much power is required? Dispatch seems to have a smart-s answer. Not being a railroader it must be annoying to be in this position. Or is it only due to the rain?

@electric7487

4 жыл бұрын

​@@bjjasper A rough estimate for the power required to go up an incline is P = v*M*(sin(theta) + crr*cos(theta)). Where: - v = Velocity - M = Train's weight - theta = Maximum grade = arctan(%Grade / 100) - crr = Rolling resistance coefficient, typically 0.0025 worst case for railway wheels on rails, can be replaced by friction coefficient for sliding surfaces

@mrg2046

4 жыл бұрын

Could do a better job explaining releasing sand onto the tracks for traction. Couldn’t see it in the visual. Great insight into railroading. An engineer told me the steam locomotives were used to help the diesels move the cars uphill. Also he mentioned closing all the doors to reduce wind resistance for speed.

I imagine there was an amazing amount of cussing in the lead unit when the whole meghilla started rolling back. Mostly directed at whatever yardmaster gave them their paperwork.

@112Haribo

3 жыл бұрын

I'm assuming that cussing started upon arriving at the job site and seeing only two locomotives available to him.

“We should probably add another locomotive on here “ “Nah” “It won’t make it up the grade “ “Hahaha yolo !”

@ytwarren47

4 жыл бұрын

There wasn't a grade there before. What gives??? (tonnage clerk)

@davegeisler7802

2 жыл бұрын

Amateurs !

The photography in this video is first rate. Outstanding in all regards, not just the technical; the compositions are just beautiful.

Best part was watching those cars coming to a complete stop knowing there was still full power being applied. Was just a mind bending sense of the magnitude of mass that was present. Wow!

@parnavad1794

4 жыл бұрын

its not power actually.. It's the traction that gets all trains at grades. There simply isn't enough traction between just 4 powered wheels per engine locomotive to haul that much on grades. Your car might have 2000Hp but if you cant put that power meaningfully onto the road you are going nowhere mate..

@Steezicus

4 жыл бұрын

It wasn't full full power, that would have broke a knuckle if they did that. You have to back off once you start to stall or else a single wheel slip will break it in two. Surprised the engineer looks like he tried to take off again without getting helpers. Probably very green and stalled due to not backing off the throttle and giving it a little independent on time. Then again some old heads I know if have no idea what to do in these situations either.

@geoben1810

3 жыл бұрын

@@Steezicus So you're saying he could've made it without stalling using the technique you describe, with just the two engines?🤔

Damn, you can hear the couplings popping and cracking long before he finally stalled. That's a heavy loaded down sonofabitch.

@esver1883

5 жыл бұрын

Lex5576 they are lucky non gave way with that amount of weight.

@deusexaethera

4 жыл бұрын

It's irresponsible to load the couplings so heavily. They may be strong, but the one attached to the locomotive has to pull the weight of every single car behind it. They should've slaved a second locomotive in the middle of the train to pull the second half of the cars, or at least slaved one to the rear to push the last few cars.

@trainiax

3 жыл бұрын

@@deusexaethera These two locomotives would not be powerful enough to break a sound coupler knuckle even in dry conditions. However, there are indeed restrictions on how many units can be at the head end of a heavy train, especially in hilly or curvy terrain, and crews can (and do) replace coupler knuckles (the intentional weak link) when they occasionally break in service.

This somehow manages to be both very boring and incredibly interesting at the same time.

@mrz80

4 жыл бұрын

Moving right along... slowing... slowing... uh oh... aw NUTS we're stalled... ... wait... what... AAAAA! HitTheBrakes!HitTheBrakes! We're rolling back down! :D

@harleck9119

4 жыл бұрын

I'm stuck in this vids, without understanding anything of what is happening, but I'm still amused and I want to know how will this end

@SJJsolomonSJJ

4 жыл бұрын

IKR😂😂😂😂

@williswhatchutalkinbout4367

4 жыл бұрын

Right! Wtf! Lmao

@gregoryanto3673

4 жыл бұрын

Greater truth hasn't been spoken. 😂😂😂

I am regularly amazed at the power generated by the electric motors of the locomotives!

Very good video, excellent narration and no crappy music. Very impressed!

@BluntForceTrauma666

7 жыл бұрын

yessss..but you forgot the quality of the audio and the editing. well you did - no crappy music! All of which made it possible to fully appreciate the creaking in the cars as the stack slows down. the insane tension that is distributed along the entire length...

@eva.cassidy

7 жыл бұрын

I like the no music approach. I've seen railroad video that got pulled due to some copyrighted music.

@halnwheels

7 жыл бұрын

There are very few times that music adds to the enjoyment of a video like this. You can hear the ramping up of the diesels, the bucking of the drive trucks, the creaking of steel under tremendous load. This video got it all, and yes, the narration and editing was spot-on.

@IrLosin

7 жыл бұрын

Half the enjoyment of watching trains and planes is their awesome sound.. I really don't get people who put music over it.

@janeem.8420

6 жыл бұрын

LUN4T1C 78

Thank you for sharing all these train adventures. I watch these and realize the Tomboy in me never went away. Lol When I had my son we both enjoyed hot wheel cars and trains. When the train would come through our town I would run him to town to see it. Had the pleasure of getting a short ride inside an engine also. We both had our own Lionel train sets, his was a Diesel engine and mine was a steam engine lol Mom and son making memories together. Even had the pleasure of watching him get excited over riding with Thomas the tank engine. My excitement was seeing the amazing Union Pacific Big Boy and standing inside of it engine department lol Unforgettable experiences. Thank you again.

This has to be one of the best narrated videos I've ever come across, thanks!

I love it when it's dead quiet all around with only the slow train sounds. Very cool!

The balls of steel on the guy just walking across the crossing toward the end of the video.

The close up wheel action!!! This was AWESOME!!!! Great shots!

On today's episode of "random recommendations"...

@FabledGentleman

4 жыл бұрын

No shit. I have seriously no idea what so ever how this came into my recommendations.

@xigma5538

4 жыл бұрын

@@FabledGentleman same

@ninjateriyaki

4 жыл бұрын

+1

@electric7487

4 жыл бұрын

I wasn't sure exactly why this showed up in my recommendations either but I'm glad it did.

@AndreyLuizDev

4 жыл бұрын

I actually like trains, so it is fine. lol

Trains are absolute engineering marvel..it simply thrills me to see a train coming from far with it's mighty sounds n horns

What impresses me the most here is the insane amount of creaking and popping as it goes up the hill. Really makes you think about the ridiculous amounts of weight getting up that hill, and you can just hear the stress on everything. I'm surprised more knuckles don't break from things like this.

Well done. You put a great video to explain the difficulties our freight trains deal with. Getting the Commerce delivered. I'm from Minnesota watching Soo line Burlington Northern have the same difficulties in different types of weather.

Kind of eerie how the train came to a halt at the 4:40 mark with the rain, the silence only broken by metal making sounds

Thank you for using a tripod. Great to watch steady video.

@fateek2249

4 жыл бұрын

And then catch the ground shuddering at the end. Truly amazing

The incredible power and tractive effort on display is soooo impressive, cheers

Until my daughter was 5 we lived in a town that used to have a roundhouse for the Big Four. It still have a lot of trains going through town every day. Every time we'd hear the train whistle my daughter would say, "Train daddy, train daddy!" We would always turn towards the tracks so she could watch the train go through town. She's 15 now and on our summer visitation we travel a lot. Every town we get to, if they have a museum or old engine on display, we always go to see it.

"You win again, gravity!" Zapp Brannigan

You said Thanks for watching. I say Thanks for uploading.

production of this video is as railfan videos should be. nice job and nice catch. thanks for sharing

@ThornappleRiverRailSeries

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@cdavid8139

7 жыл бұрын

Agreed

I guess they couldn't... Make the grade

@72867morgan

6 жыл бұрын

Zachary Bucklin b

@jayvalysium

5 жыл бұрын

They got an f

@patrickm5217

5 жыл бұрын

🕶 👌

@bonkeydollocks1879

5 жыл бұрын

Beautiful

@RB747domme

5 жыл бұрын

Zachary Bucklin I know, it was just an uphill battle right from the start. Mind you, those locos are used to pulling their weight. The driver struggled for a bit, and then after a while I guess you could see the turning-point.

This happens appearantly often here, as there is a sign with a telephonenumber to report stalled trains! 12:25 :)

@Ztbmrc1

4 жыл бұрын

@@rosehiptrystrains7613 Ok I see. Here in the Netherlands we have quite similar level crossing barriers (they are from US origin). And there is a small plate on the engine housing that holds and drives the barrier, saying to report any malfunctioning of the levelcrossing at a telephonenumber mentioned. Left behind carriages would keep the block locked and next trains will be stopped by the preceding blocksignal being at danger.

@JETZcorp

4 жыл бұрын

I think the sign was to report stalled cars on the crossing, so that a train doesn't come and murder someone's Nissan Versa.

@Ztbmrc1

4 жыл бұрын

@@JETZcorp Of course! That's what they mean!

@electric7487

4 жыл бұрын

@@JETZcorp Or Nissan Leaf

@johnstudd4245

3 жыл бұрын

@@JETZcorp Hey, I have a Nissan Versa and don't want it to get murdered, right now it's all I have. LOL

8888: Unstoppable. 8880: I can dream, can I?

Excellent video. You do such a great job! All your videos are just amazing. And, no music, thank you for that. 👍

great video that was a heavy manifest but it was cool to too see the big AC4400CW wheel slipping trying to get the 2nd half started

I think I can, I think I can, I think I......... Shit I can't.

@armoricain

4 жыл бұрын

I thought I could, I thought I could, I though I could...

@short_kenobi

4 жыл бұрын

@@armoricain Shit I couldn't

@trackgeek7399

4 жыл бұрын

I thought I could, I thought I could, I thought I....

@deusexaethera

4 жыл бұрын

When you realize that the total amount of contacting surface between the locomotive's wheels and the steel tracks is less than the surface of your fingertips, you really begin to appreciate the traction problem that trains suffer from.

@timrattenbury4768

4 жыл бұрын

JUST DUMP THE CLUCH U CAN DO IT (my pop)

Everything in this video is top notch ! Nothing boring or dull (no skipping needed)! Great Job !

The fat controller was cross. Fat controller" You have caused confusion and delay!"

@kerryonyett6324

3 жыл бұрын

Name Dropper 😂

@Metal9040

3 жыл бұрын

Fat fuck should’ve given the damn train more locomotives then

Glad you got the wheel spin in the video. Sounded like a GIANT table saw. Metal on metal can be challenging - not much traction (hence the need for sand), but low rolling resistance once you get going.

One of the best narrated rail videos I’ve heard.

Interesting to Watch. Thank you for the authentic voices of the train and the environment.

Tremendous skill and experience to resolve this problem. Impressed indeed!

Reminds me of the last Lionel layout I built with a 3.5% grade S curve. Engines always stalled in the same spot unless the train was about 5 cars or less. I didn’t have as many engines as I have now. A new layout starts this winter. The first 4x8 table was built in April.

Production quality 10 for 10.

@ThornappleRiverRailSeries

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Beautiful train and landscape. Love to see the smoke and feel the engines work harder, plus the slipping and the electric motors behind the wheels.

That was a really interesting video. Thanks for all the information's during it. Like it very much Cheers Adam

Thoroughly enjoyable video as all your work .

This is quality content none of us deserve but all of us want. Great video!

Great narration, great focus, great coverage. I like watching over n over.

Wow you have some excellent video coverage here, love it.

I can just imagine the engineer sitting up front feeling the speed slowing down and thinking "oh shit!!!" and pushing the throttle up more and more and not getting any more speed and still slowing down inch by inch until he comes to a slow death stop the last two feet, and starts sliding backwards!!

Excellent videography. Truly a pleasure to watch.

I've watched this video so many times. It never gets old.

@kcole9071

Жыл бұрын

I was at a crossing about 1974 when a N & W coal train with 3 locomotives stalled out. We had to wait on a pusher unit with 2 locomotives to go down the line, change over behind and push the train up the hill.

😀😊😀👍🏼 Great Video Excellent Footage And as Stated No Music Just The Great Sound Of The Train Itself 😀😎😀😀😊 Thank You

Yeah, this is what what happens when I play Train Simulator, except for the derailments after I start breaking couplers.

@fritzwinter2819

5 жыл бұрын

Wrestling Fanatic Bernkastel economy models construction

@jordanharkness

4 жыл бұрын

What's your favourite SIM? Are there any for rail road design? Or any for working yards?

@russellgxy2905

4 жыл бұрын

Wait wait wait, you can do that in Train Simulator?? Derail from a broken coupler??

@jwalster9412

4 жыл бұрын

@@russellgxy2905 TSW is notorious for its many ingame glitches, for example, if you decouple while going above 20, your train will just crash

The sound of those locomotives brings back memories love it

Excellent commentary and videography. Thanks.

Great job! Thanks to the many engineers who keep these behemoth moving across the country and keep life rolling for millions of Americans!

@rn4afb

4 жыл бұрын

... and bring joy to railway lovers all over the world!!! / ... и доставлять радость любителям железных дорог по всему миру!!!

Interesting video. Good photography and editing, good narration. Thanks for no sappy, crappy music. I am subscribing.

Fantastic video ... thanks a million for posting and sharing!

Thank you for this excellent quality video .

Great job by the crew and obviously by the unbroken locomotives :) Excellent video!

Great video, and excellent narration. Marion.

Super video, great narration. much appreciated!

Great footage, well filmed. 👏 what an amazing train. Thank you

wow thats a sick vantage point you got there, GREAT VIDEO!

That is a fantastic catch, thanks for sharing it! I live not too far from there, going to have to make a point of spending some time there. Also neat to see some UP power, don't see it all that often!

I don't understand that with all the so-called great technology, how can this happen. It makes me wonder how many deadly errors could have easily been made undetected and luckily avoided. Thank you for sharing this awesome video.

@phalanx3803

5 жыл бұрын

technology cant really help here its steel wheels on steel tracks once they start to slip it hard to get any grip back and it being wet makes it a lot harder.

Really professional production, thx.

I'm not an expert for sure, but I was surprised in not seeing 3 locomotives, maybe even 4 pulling a freight like that. That's quite a lot of cars.

not gonna lie, you should totally do voiceovers and give information in your videos that narration was really good!

awesome footage. thanks for posting!

Worth a try, I guess. Love American railways.. So characterful .

11:57 the amount of math being done right there with regards to friction and tractive effort, is impressive

I've never seen that before, thanks for the video and great narration

This video is well polished. Thanks for sharing ❤️

I like your "documentary film style" narration ;)

Reminded me when we were heading to our junction to deliver outbound cars. The sanders were not working correctly so we were dipping our gloves in the sand hopper and manually pouring on the rail.

@cdavid8139

3 жыл бұрын

I've done that. Walked 1/4 a mile with a bucket of sand dropping it on the tracks.

Loved your video. Great narrative. Thanks for sharing.

Really well done vid and the sound of those diesels has always stirred my blood.

Even a stone face like Thomas looked ashamed doing the walk of shame lmao

The narration is surprisingly good. Well spoken, good text!

@ThornappleRiverRailSeries

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Thank you, that was very interesting. I do not work in the railroad industry, just enjoy trains is all. Also, thanks for the commentary explaining what was happening. I had no idea what they would do in a situation like that.

Very well made. Thanks for sharing.

great sounding K3L

Needs more cow bell.

@jonasgrimes6754

4 жыл бұрын

Right

@chrisbula

4 жыл бұрын

I got a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell

@hermask815

3 жыл бұрын

Please let them be played by cows alongside the track.

I enjoyed this vid very much and the narration was a nice touch. I like trains, but know very little about them. I mean I love to sit and watch trains go by, counting cars &engines and like guessing what is in them and where they have been and where they are going ect.

Michigan looks like such a beautiful state. Very lush.

@cnes44ac80

4 жыл бұрын

It really is, especially in fall

@geraldbostock9858

4 жыл бұрын

It's generally considered the Hawaii of the midwest!

Well done video and sound

I wonder how often they burn out traction motors with these heavily overloaded locomotives. Great catch.

@ThornappleRiverRailSeries

7 жыл бұрын

GE Traction Motors are very resilient. They're designed to be abused!

@JANICKGMO_

7 жыл бұрын

Thornapple River Rail Series i love abusing trains

@lawnmowermanTX

6 жыл бұрын

Wanna play crash locomotive derby? 😈😵

@cdavid8139

6 жыл бұрын

Very seldom with the newer power

@TheLocoUnion

6 жыл бұрын

AC power traction doesn’t wear out.

Love the video. Nice to see train operations right here in my home state.

brilliant, and well produced video, very interesting

The little engines that *THOUGHT* they could, lol.

Your voice was made for Railfan Videos on KZread. 😬👍 Very Clear and Understandable. 👍

@ThornappleRiverRailSeries

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! 😃

Nice greenery along that line. Good to see a factory issue CSX SD40-2. I know CSX overhauled bunches of 'em. Gave them a sleek, smaller nose. They look great! It isn't uncommon at all anymore to see Union Pacific units in Atlanta yards. The crew did a crafty job of working and manipipulating that big train up that incline and putting it back together. Hat's off to them!

@ThornappleRiverRailSeries

5 жыл бұрын

Actually the SD40-2 was originally built as an SD40 and then rebuilt by Conrail to SD40-2 status at Juniata. But I get what you mean

Thanks for not filling this with crap loud music! Nice job.

You had me at "paltry power offering."

@electric7487

4 жыл бұрын

The train was all loads, and had a weight of about 9200 tonnes. The two locomotives have 7400 HP total, and that's only 0.8 HP/tonne. If I were them I'd put another UP AC44CW and another CSX SD40 on the front.

This train is symbolic of me trying to do a simple task.

@catbarrett3492

4 жыл бұрын

Espee Productions lol right

Love the narration, man! 👌🏼

Excellent video quality, and narration. I enjoyed watching.

Used to live about 3/4 mile from the SP tracks and I loved to hear the horn at night. For about 45 years