If the owner of that boat reads this, all you had to do was motor forward with that midship line attached and you would have come in right along the dock. Just as pretty as you please.

So I have been there too. My first time I did not handle it well either, but learned. This is always a tricky operation.

I'm surprised at how many viewers are struggling to understand what is really happening in this situation... It is obvious that he is trying to get OFF of the dock. The line is too tight for him to loosen it from the boat's cleat while under tension. The line is the Fuel Dock's line and they don't want it cut - this also explains why they're not releasing it from the dock side. Perhaps view the full scope of the situation before you start captaining the cap'n.

@bernardlanguillier65

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, indeed. But it is so much easier to just make fun of them... especially with their nice Oceanis 48 (that is most probably a charter boat). Now, it is true that they probably didn't attach the rope properly on the cleat (it seems hard to remove even when the boat is close enough to dock that it is not under tension) and that they should have removed this rope first or at least not last...

@ponkimonkoro5001

5 жыл бұрын

Ah - you are right. Thx! That´s the best explanation of this - otherwise absurd - situation :D

Most commentators didn't really understand the situation in the video, did they? But the main thing is to give good advice. I think: The skipper is trying to untie the rope after refilling the tank. The rope belongs to the fuel station and was caught under the MIDDLE-CLEAT of the vessel. The dock- hand can't do anything, the rope is spliced to the bollard. 😉 Question 1: How is it possible to jam the rope under the cleat? The rope is too thick for the small cleat. The skipper probably made a whole turn around the foot of the cleat. I suspect he used the OXO method. Question 2: How do you get out of this situation? The boat has to be moored again in order to relieve and release this jammed middle cleat. Question 3: What is the most elegant way to dock the boat in this situation? The boat already has a middle spring. 🤣 The skipper only has to put the engine in forward-gear and the vessel will dock itself with the middle-aft-spring. If the Wind is to strong use the bow-thruster to support the turning into the wind. Then attach a fore line and an aft line. Disengage the engine and thereby relieve the middle-spring. Now it should be possible to release the middle-spring again, don't you think? What do we learn from this? When using a cleat, make sure that you do not make a full turn around the base of the cleat. Especially if the line is too thick for the cleat. 🤣 Regards Btw: Gorden Lamp was totally wrong with his analysis! 🤣👎

It would be easier to just drive forward and use the line as a spring, it will bring the bota in and then just let it stay in gear which will keep it in place while putting on all the other lines.

@fabiogouveialvor

2 жыл бұрын

True 🤣

@Fmacian59

Жыл бұрын

¿Cómo se aproximó al muelle?

@Fmacian59

Жыл бұрын

Llegar de popa, dar largo de popa por estribor, timon todo a estribor, máquina avante, través de proa. Listo.

@AlexMotan1

3 ай бұрын

I have no clue of Spanish, but you are right. @@Fmacian59

We all have to learn somehow, either by making mistakes or watching other peoples! All he needed was to spend a little less on the boat and a little more on some training.

@JavierRullanRuano

7 жыл бұрын

Agree

that was painful to watch

One line on a stern cleat, motor forward that will bring the bow closer to the dock where you can toss a second bow line.

@carbidegrd1

2 жыл бұрын

No it won't. the line needs to be mid ship. Your "idea" will leave it sitting off to port at the bow.

@slavka-alabamka

2 жыл бұрын

@@carbidegrd1 He is already tied midship, it doesn't work in a strong blow. Stern cleat and power up with helm hard starboard. Basically prop torque and line tension vs wind. I've docked single screw 55' hull no bow thruster in 30 knot blow like that. You got to have crew catch the bow line quick otherwise you'll bounce off.

Owner has more dollars than sense.

@seawalcker

7 жыл бұрын

Funny enough it's a Bénéteau Sense

@philskype101

7 жыл бұрын

oceanis

@edwardvalov8342

6 жыл бұрын

I almost couldn’t watch this stupidity.

@magnusqwerty

6 жыл бұрын

Edward Valov They are French!

if he drives forwards with that first line secured, the boat will simply come alongside. the guy on the dock is worthless too

@suckerfree23

6 жыл бұрын

The correct answer

@toletonaldomoreno3522

6 жыл бұрын

Admiral Genius No, the boat wont come along side because wind is blowing starboard. He need to secure bowline, that is correct but then he has to do reverse to aproach stern.

@skiwakemike6636

6 жыл бұрын

you're right admiral GeniusForward is enough

@dm7097

6 жыл бұрын

Michael Randolf where did you get that bit of information? It was not in the description.

@chrisallen1965

6 жыл бұрын

The bow thruster is running from the start of the video! If the "Transmission" had failed how did he motor away at the end??

I've docked there. It looks like Juan Carlos Marina in Valencia. The wind can be strong and the swell in the marina is an issue. In this case it seems to keep the boat from bouncing against the concrete dock.

Good video it happrns often in toutistic areas. I learned by experience too and did similar mistakes. Many rent such boats and are not such skilled and trained. This situation is safe as wind is coming from port.

simple drive forward with the first line attached - job done the boat wiil 100% pull int o key

@seawalcker

7 жыл бұрын

That's perfectly right, John!

@grosvenorclub

7 жыл бұрын

You would have thought the guy on the dock would have suggested that !

@skrukke

7 жыл бұрын

The man on the dock, hi just had a lovely laugh after they left. ;-)

@garysouza2277

7 жыл бұрын

Yep...more money than skill.

@GordLamb

7 жыл бұрын

In theory that would have done the trick, but it does require some helmsmanship. The midship spring will impart rotation under forward throttle (clockwise in this case), so you'd have to helm to leeward. It's a balancing act that can end with the bow drifting downwind, or smacking into the dock. A safer way, in my opinion, is to use a forward line, sprung aft. Helm hard to leeward, idle forward. The stern will walk itself in nicely with no drama.

A few issues with this video: first, it's quite likely a breach of privacy (not even the boat's name blurred); second, instead of pointing the camera for 15mins the author could have gone down and see if he could help, no?; third, and this also goes to all the pundits down below, it's not made clear that the couple onboard is trying to LEAVE the dock and the white line belongs to the dock (not shown at the end, convenient cut), not to the boat

That is too expensive a boat to have such a helpless, unknowledgeable crew. This whole episode was absurd to watch.

beautiful boat.

Guys, give him a chance ! No one is close, Wind is strong, lots of gusts, everyone need practice... come on....

@g.stephens263

6 жыл бұрын

The bloody Oceanus has a bow thruster! How could you eff that up? I have been handling single screw sailboats for over 50 years, and never did anything that stupid (well except the time I put a bow sprit through the gas dock office building! LOL)!

Reading the comments, it looks like most of you watched a different video. Lol. What I see, is that they are done getting fuel and are trying to leave but they can't get the midship line uncleated. They then attempted to take the load off the midship line by putting the stern line back on then finding it insufficient, they reinstalled the bow line giving enough slack to remove the midship line and give it back to the dock handler.

@TheSevenSpades

7 жыл бұрын

Correct. All they had to do was motor forward put the bowline on again. replace the mid-ship line with a slip let go the bow and easy the mid ship slip. Should have taken less than 1 minute.

@jolllyroger1

6 жыл бұрын

Mike Holcomb how could you ever attach a line that you can't unhook.... Oh right lack of knowledge/common sense

@michaelsandor1118

6 жыл бұрын

Mike Holcomb i

@jolllyroger1

6 жыл бұрын

Michael Sandor yeah I'm a truck driver well have years at it dint it anymore unless I have to.... But every time I tie a line it's tied so it can be untied even my shoelaces even when I tire shut the top of my trash bags that are going to the dump..... When you tie any line you always tie it so it! Be easily untied with little effort and with hand... The only exception is in climbing lines.... Those you tie so that no one else can untie them with you dangling from it lol.... That is done with knots that hold fast under compression and only release when the load is removed....

@g.stephens263

6 жыл бұрын

Never, NEVER tie mooring lines to a cleat or bollard with a knot!

The boat is new the sailors are new i presume. All the keyboard sailors on here is amazing but he first time anyone tried to dock in heavy winds, can't tell from video about current, this is usually the outcome. The difference between sailors and wannabe sailors is what you take away from an experience and what you learned to change for next time. No damage to boat, everyone kept fingers and health so that is a good day

Not one person here has the idea (well I read one does), he is exited the gas pumps and spring line has too much pressure on it to release. He either has to dock again (release the spring line) and exit or I would just sacrifice the spring line by cutting it.

1. Drive the boat at a 30-degree angle towards the dock, throw the spring line to the pier, which you then secure. Afterward, turn the rudder to starboard, and the stern will automatically dock. 2. When approaching from the other direction, this way, there won't be any issues with the mast when the wind is weak, as it tends to turn the boat downwind.

Really nice boat

Sheesh... from the comments you'd think everyone has done this and done it well their first time at bat. Humanity is taking a moral ride down the toilet for sure.

Just in case they have the nerve to watch themselves and read the comments... Google 'Docking with Spring lines'!!

I didn't read the comments until after I watched and I was wondering the same thing, am I missing something? Once he got the midships line to any of those huge cleats, it becomes a spring because he's got miles of empty dock space ahead, just motor forward right rudder if needed, keep forward idle or more throttle to keep the boat pressed to the dock and fenders until they place the bow and stern. Watching the guy on the dock trying to pull a 50 ft yacht to the dock in what looks like 25 knots off dock cross wind looks painful.

Wink Butz is almost right. It simply will never happen no matter how much power he puts on - the bows will always blow off. The simple solution would be to transfer the line to midships cleat, motor gently forwards probably with a little port helm on (in that wind he may not even need that) and he will land gently against the pontoon. The curious thing is that nobody seems to teach mooring single handed with a midships cleat. Actually I prefer to do it this way in all circumstances because, when you pass a bow line to that helpful person on the dock, you can virtually guarantee they will try to stop you with it and you end up with your stern swing out.

It's easy to grin when your ship comes in and you've got the stock market beat. But the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat.

Sell the thing and get a motorhome

It looks like the video started after he got the gas and the problem is that he can't untie the knot at his cleat because he didn't tie it properly. The knot part is stated in the description. With wind that high, he should have done a couple of figure-8 wraps around the cleat before locking it. He probably locked the cleat knot without any figure-8 wraps and the pressure from the high wind made the knot "permanent". His lines are black the line that is locked is white so it probably belongs to the gas dock so he couldn't just cut it. They finally used the black lines to release the pressure on the white line to untie it. The video is edited so you don't get to see that critical moment which would have occurred between 6:52 and 6:53.

@ DouglasUrantia: Yes, a while before

My bit: black stern line onto the last bollard, gear forward + bow truster. Such wide stern will turn her onto the pier and slack the white line.

Turn the wheel all to starboard and let ingine go forward slow, then the boat will nice and elegant drift toward the pier...

I think Gordon Lamb, several comments down, gave some good advice,,, and there are a half dozen more comments here that would work well. It goes for both docking and undocking, training and technique are priceless. What I have not seen here, and the very first thing I saw,,, what the heck is a low hours sailor, even leaving his slip for? He and she should certainly,, not maybe, have stayed in their slip or mooring, and sat back drinking. If it is blowing 20 to 25 in the harbor, there are 2 to 4 meter seas outside the jetty. It is obvious he and she would not be able to handle that. The real flaw is sailing on a clock. I have to be at work Monday. I have a dinner appointment. I paid for this vacation and I am going. ,,,, these are all really stupid things to think or say when facing that BIG BLUE WET THING out there,,, the OCEAN. You 'sail on the tide',, only and always. Your clock, your schedule is NOT the ocean's clock or schedule. To head out, or head home, if the weather or tide is not right is just the height of stupidity. Absolute, suicidal, hubris. Yes, I HAVE made that error,,,, and I'll not do it again ever.

I hope between then and now he has learned how , my god that was painful

Thanks for this video

@JavierRullanRuano

7 жыл бұрын

Your are welcome

So wonder the beautiful sail boat was,nt crushed ......wow

Looks like between 15 and 20 knots of wind. Shouldn’t be a big deal with 2 crew members and a dockhand. Dock my 36 on lake michigan all the time in these kind of conditions singlehanded with one dockhand assisting. Like someone else posted. Approach the dock headed at a 45 or better angle into the wind and instruct the dockhand to tie off the bow line (I keep it hanging on the lifeline so the dockhand can grab it), then you can back the boat up to the dock by reversing. The momentum of the turn into the dock will help swing the stern around.

For anyone else in a similar situation, a few things to remember: 1. Never secure your stern line first. A sailboat can only move the stern, not the bow (except with bow thrusters, which normally aren't strong enough to fight any significant wind). If you secure your stern line, you can no longer steer the boat! 2. Never rely on bow thrusters. They're there for convenience. If you don't think you can safely dock without them, give serious thought about docking elsewhere. 3. Midship lines allow you to spin the boat with ease. Helm hard to port or starboard, burst of forward power, then idle reverse. 4. Always give the dock hands clear, direct, and confident instructions. Many of them have never helmed a large boat; don't assume they know what you're thinking. 5. Even in strong winds, a dockhand should be able to take slack by taking a turn on the cleat and pulling the line at 90 degrees, then taking up more slack. In this case, the best approach would be: Establish only the bow line by approaching the dock into the wind, perpendicular if need be. Instruct dockhand *not* to cleat immediately, and back away 1/4 boatlength. Have the dockhand take two turns around the cleat, but be prepared to release it or take slack. Helm hard to port. Forward slow against the bow line. Stern will move toward the dock. Dockhand cleats the forward line, moves aft and is thrown the stern line. Take slack and cleat. Take in the bow line. Presto!

@f.j.h.4194

7 жыл бұрын

I see what the problem is . . . there's a goddam Frenchman at the helm. They can't sail a rubber duck in a bathtub.

@garysouza2277

7 жыл бұрын

They had a midship line, NOT a stern line. All they needed to do was motor forward. The dock line was on a bollard, seemingly with a loop, so the dock hand was pretty limited with what he could do. The second line-the black one- was stern line, then another black one for the bow. But these people were in over their heads. I'm 62 and these people looked older than me. They can't control this size of a boat. More money than skills or strength.

@garysouza2277

7 жыл бұрын

xxx-Actually the French are great sailors, from Mottessier, to Taberlay to currently Thomas Coville who just established a solo around the world record. So you're wrong...

@GordLamb

7 жыл бұрын

They established a stern line around 4 minutes in; there's no way it could have helped them in those conditions. And, personally I would go with a bow spring aft rather than a midship for a couple reasons: 1. Much easier to establish under those conditions, unless you have a very long midship line. Approach into the wind, bow first, and have the bowman toss the line. If the line goes overboard, less chance of it fouling the prop. 2. The boat will tend to pivot around a midship line, and the bow can easily be blown to leeward. There's no way to correct that, short of powering hard against the spring line, which requires significant helmsmanship. With a forward line sprung aft, you can literally helm hard to leeward, and give short bursts of throttle. The bow is constrained, and the stern makes its way to windward. Nothing to screw up. Hopefully they were just new to this boat and overjudged their skill. We all start somewhere. :)

@hsvxu6suzukihatch959

7 жыл бұрын

Gordon Lamb I

Toss a fwd(aft leading) spring. Left full rudder, clutch in ahead. When the stern sticks the pier, pass the stern line.

bowline around a bolder, slow forward with steering to port, done and dusted.. I sail solo on a 42', easy peasy..

@syncro16se

7 жыл бұрын

Klein Watervalplaas exactly. the way to go. plan ahead. assess the wind situation. explain to the wifey your plan. send her to the bow and to throw the line when close enough. manouver the boat,

@TheAstralftw

6 жыл бұрын

when you say steering to port, you mean steering to left side of the boat, or port/dock(which is right side)? sorry , eng is not my mother language

Spring midships, because that's about at the boat's gravity center. Then light forward throttle. Keep boat parallel to pier using prop wash (directed with rudder). Boat gently docks ...

If he powers forward the boat will sit at the dock at ease .. he has a stern line already hooked up.. Then loop an another line and undo the stuck line ..

That's who was driving the charter boat you just bought. :)

People like this should buy an RV

well, that's eight minutes of my life I'll never get back.

How about reversing against the spring line??????

It seems like a lot of experts have chimed in here. Curiously nobody has mentioned prop walk. That boat most likely backs to port, so the whole concept of tying the bow line and reversing wouldn't work, unless he was attempting to dock on the port side. it's no easy task in that heavy wind.

Wow..... Money can't buy skills !

why would sailing boat need gas?

het moet verboden worden dat dit soort lui met een boot op het water gaan, een klein klapje vooruit ende boot ligt tegen de kant

I'm relieved to see everyone else in the comments here was thinking the same thing as me...forward and let it swing over plus why even use the midship dock line use a stern line and slowly forward problem solved.

people with bow thrusters don't usually learn how to really steer their boat ... they tend to rely on the thruster and as one can see: sometimes they're not strong enough

so sad for my french friends! Little hint for the two persons: stay on earth, sea is to dangerous for you!

This is a perfect example of what happens when all you have is MONEY.....neither a knowledge of, respect for or LOVE of the Sea.an Old Coastie

Drive straight forward to doc, secure bow line turn wheel hard to port engage engine forward, stern will come along side of dock, secure stern line..

the bow is loose ... what are they up 2?

Tie off a line forward and walk it back to the handler.

all the gear and no idea

All he needed to do was to steam ahead on the forward spring and once alongside keep her in gear and the helm over to port slightly to keep her ass end in, then you can worry about putting the other mooring out. All the gear and know idea!

Liked the video to learn from - negative comments don't help

Once again, a sail boat underway is a colisión in progress!

Full fledged cluster.......

was he coming or going

Boat is equipped with how many winches?

On 3:22 there is Superyacht A worth $323 million from Andrey Melnichenko on background.

This is so painful to watch...especially when she goes downstairs to get a jacket...

It is very simple to fix nose first, and after stern by revers.

All the people saying to just motor forwards... the line is too far aft given the strong wind: she cannot get enough forward turning effort to overcome the strong wind. The line should be fore of the center of turning effort for the vessel.

Es lo que tiene hacer los nudos deprisa, despues son dificiles de deshacer.

@gilinas

9 жыл бұрын

marinoviejo El problema no es hacerlos deprisa, es hacerlos mal. ;)

or just move the line to the center cleat and use it as a spring line, pop it in forward and done.

Go around, line up for a better approach. Better safe than damage your boat!

Rudder full starboard and slow forward should pull the boat against the quay. If he has a bow thruster, that will help.

I went to the dentist yesterday and it was less painful than this! Bernard Moitissier would turn in his grave.

Much too painful to watch, someone needs to learn how to use a spring line.

Chi ha pane non ha denti…….

einfach in die erste Mittelleine ( Spring vorwärts eindampfen , Ruder auf Backbord legen und Heck ranziehen. Gas stehen lassen lassen Vor und Achterleine ausbringen Gas raus und Boot liegt

Kinda figured the cap would understand what wind can do. Gotta be a greener.

if it s to tied that means he made a wrong cleat knot. He seems pretty incompetent, just put back the boat along the dock with a front line and re do the exit again ^^ It took them so long to figure it ^^

It's apparent to me that some people have more money than brains (or boat handling skill)... wind off the beam really pushes the bow of most sailboats.

I'm crying watching this...

Could have been a lot worse, problem in my state (CA) and I suppose many others is this: if you can BUY a boat, you get to drive a boat, and I am starting to believe we must have some licensing. It's NOT hard, but you DO need to be taught. One thing for sure, once a line forward or aft is Pinned to the dock, you can motor the other end into position, providing the line is strong, and the cleats sound. I come up with the nose of the boat (in high wind), have a crewman step off and pin that nose to a cleat, now the boat IS under control, it's the reverse of using a spring line. At that point, the wind all by itself can push the back end of the boat one way or the other to dock and if the wind is blowing true to the direction of the boat, you can use the motor to bring her in. And notice this guy is at the END of the dock, with the rest of the dockage totally open. That's OK if the boat can swing safety to either the dock or the other dock at 90 degrees but it is often/usually better to start around the middle of an open dock, that way the boat can go either direction and ease up (bumpers out of course) to the open dock space.

@martinschwanke7127

6 жыл бұрын

Go and find a Dutchman they make great sailors, beleive me I work for a UK harbour patrol have seen it all. Needs a Bow line ashore, motor in slowly and use as a spring to pull the boat in. or Cut line and go in on the Windward side of the fuel pontoon let mother nature blow you on, this guy should not try to sail in such weather or go take a few RYA courses,

@martinschwanke7127

6 жыл бұрын

And with that Wind and a yacht you already have all the fuel in the world (silly Fuel).

The wind is pushing the bow off the dock. Walk that black line up to the bow cleat and pull the bow in. Duh!

При отжимном ветре да ещё при такой длинне Яхты. Это было очень сложно!

Why on earth did they approach the station at this angle, stern in? the wind was strong on starboard pushing the bow away! They should have approached the station bow in on a 45 degree angle, secured the bow then the stern. The bow blows faster and easier in such winds.

The most finely tanned scalp I've ever seen.

@cornenothome4191

7 жыл бұрын

dolamyte911 the hairline does it 😂

@mpage2654

6 жыл бұрын

dolamyte911 🤣

@efoxxok7478

6 жыл бұрын

dolamyte I

Some silly issues seen in this video. * with the mid line attached one could easily have applied ahead and rudder to turn the bows into the dock and tie the bows down. * tying the rear line to the transom spoilt it all as the rudder would then not turn the boat but would only tension the rear line without rotating the boat. * the use of the bow thruster was too late and not done with accuracy. * the bow line was released too early. Dare I go on............. I always thought that the size of the mind of people owning vessels could be proportional to the length of the yacht it handles, but maybe I am wrong! Still all is well that ends well, and one could learn from the experience but a preview of logic in boats would avoid many heartaches and expensive bills.

not having seen the first attempts, I'm surious why no spring line was used. securing with a stern line in the wing, yeah not the best situation... almost as silly as coming in stern too when they should have come in prt side too ..head into the wind, but again not my sheet hanger

Поймали корму, перенесли швартов на нос, лебедкой подтянули. Все. Мореманы епт))

Simply incompetent and no thought... First come bow line.... Looks like wind 90 degrees under motor nose in attach bow line then she swings into position to be hauled in by stern line very simple

Sorry but that was ridiculous, he needed to set up lines fore, aft and midship, (preplanning) then head directly toward the dock ((wind coming off the dock) and turn and with the help of the dock master he gets close, goes to the bow throws the forward line and returns to the helm to revers engine and turn rudder starboard. Of course if he had learned on smaller vessels previously he would have the experience. Not that I havent made many mistakes, but I have never done that.

Look at the "A" at the Dock, WOW.

next stop, the super-yacht across the harbor........bwahahaha

The French flag was prominent! But I suppose it could have been the Red Duster?

Schmerzhaft hier zuzusehen. Wenn schon achteraus an die Pier, dann die Sb-Heckleine zuerst belegen und mit Ruderstellung hart Steuerbord reinmotoren. Mit Gefühl Gas geben und nach vollzogener Drehung Ruderstellung mittschiffs und die Yacht presst sich sanft längsseits an die Pier. Alternativ wär noch das Anlegen mit der Vorspring

Love isn’t the only thing money can’t buy.

He already gad a spring line on . Now turn wheel to starboard and back down. Bow will come around and hand Dock master bow line .

More money than brains. Guess none of them have ever heard of a spring line.

Motor ahead to pull the boat alongside and/or throw a bowline over and have the guy on the dock pull the bow over and tie it off, problem solved. It's not THAT difficult. It's the same concept regardless of the size of the boat. Wow.

They have a bow thruster

Terrible manuover, poor skipper. Just shift to forward and apply some more rev.You're done