Me: They’ll never kill Ironman *Tony becomes Peter’s mentor and we haven’t even met uncle Ben* Me:..... oh no

@thomasallen9974

4 жыл бұрын

Peter Parker: dies Marvel: HA PLOT TWIST!

@lexin8139

4 жыл бұрын

@@thomasallen9974 Endgame: *Uno reverse*

@betterthenallofu

4 жыл бұрын

@Lexi N UNO reverse card

@nin2494

4 жыл бұрын

But Ironman's still dead, are Uno reverse cards ineffective after 2 uses?

@caridadchang7895

4 жыл бұрын

Does this mean that Peter dies for good once he becomes Morgan's mentor?

"Mentors always die for their proteges." *Batman:* _UNO reverse card_

@denilsonthomas

4 жыл бұрын

Just Some Guy with a Mustache YOOOOO LMFAOOO 💀💀

@KingRyanoles

4 жыл бұрын

Never be the less popular half of a dynamic duo. It doesn’t work out.

@chrisrudolf9839

4 жыл бұрын

Batman doesn't count as a "mentor" character, because he is also the main protagonist of the stories and thus posess the power of plot armor. Actually, students of the hero tend to have a death flag on them, too, although not one as big as that of the mentor, because you can do more with students than that and there is no need to remove them from the story like a mentor who would make the hero's job too easy.

@Dokataa

4 жыл бұрын

@@KingRyanoles Ron Weasley: *UNO reverse card*

@thomasallen9974

4 жыл бұрын

EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I want a story with a trope-savvy immortal being becoming a mentor in hopes of finally dying.

@anna_in_aotearoa3166

3 жыл бұрын

Yes please! 😁 And then further subvert it by their still being alive at end of story! (So many options there re whether they'd be pissed off, resigned, reconciled to it...)

@coolgreenbug7551

2 жыл бұрын

You know he would only die once he found something worth being immortal for

@VenomQuill

2 жыл бұрын

@@coolgreenbug7551 "You became a vampire, my student? I know being immortal can be hard and lonely. So, I will do my best to teach you and keep you compan--" *dies*

@misselie1070

2 жыл бұрын

There is a Webtoon about this called “You’re raising a Hero” or something like it

@blackbearflower4251

2 жыл бұрын

I laughed so much after I read this, I'm writing a story with a character *exactly* like this! I feel called out lol

"Will you teach me how to be a hero?" "Sure, as soon as I'm finished writing my will."

@swanandab2484

3 жыл бұрын

Sooo you can have a golden snitch, figure it out by YOURSELF.

@ashannahensley3288

2 жыл бұрын

@@swanandab2484 Dumbledore, the only Mentor to choose long suicide over being a mentor figure any longer. Then for SnG's decided to up his trolling by giving cursed, or random af gifts without explaining anything.

@snaketooth0943

Жыл бұрын

@@ashannahensley3288 what does "SnG" mean?

@royalhydra9790

7 ай бұрын

@@snaketooth0943shits and giggles

Mentor says, "I have nothing left to teach you." I hear, "Tragedy striking in 10..."

@caesarion4975

4 жыл бұрын

Professor Dragonite 9...

@vickypedia1308

4 жыл бұрын

I'm scared for what's to come in MHA

@tommarsdon5644

4 жыл бұрын

8...

@Berries20

4 жыл бұрын

@@vickypedia1308 Oh god please,, anyone but All Might

@faultier1158

4 жыл бұрын

@@vickypedia1308 To be fair, they don't really need him gone since they already dealt with the "why doesn't he just beat up the villians instead" problem already.

Mentor: _finishes character arc_ CURRENT OBJECTIVE: *SURVIVE*

@stargirl3455

4 жыл бұрын

Mentor: finishes character arc Mentor: Why do I hear boss music?

"A dead character can't grow, can't develop, can't have interesting dynamics with other characters" As a necromancy enthusiast I strongly disagree with this sentiment.

@anna_in_aotearoa3166

3 жыл бұрын

Grin. Although seriously, somebody should do a count of mentors who "die" but still keep interacting through resurrection, plot holes, dreams, visions, you name it... Just because you "died" doesn't mean your Plot Armour doesn't still work! 🙄

@JaelinBezel

2 жыл бұрын

Never stopped superhero comics.

@Alresu

2 жыл бұрын

@@anna_in_aotearoa3166 Reminds me of poor King Kai who had to deal with training Goku and his bunch of misfits all the time even after it got him killed...

@impoverishedcalamari9270

2 жыл бұрын

Mentor: *dies* You: *rolls 19 in raise death knight* Mentor: *stares deathly*

@daviddaugherty2816

2 жыл бұрын

Everybody always goes after we necromancers, but sometimes a guy just wants to raise a family...

"and mom" SHE DID IT SHE GAVE HER THE DEAD MOM HAIRSTYLE

@autisticdancer

2 жыл бұрын

Dead mom or dad. Or both parents in some cases. And THAT gets really juicy when both parents are dead.

@Cronosonic

Жыл бұрын

My first thought when seeing that frame was "isn't that Trisha Elric?!" She has the same hair AND outfit, too!

At first I was like “What about Iroh?” Then I realized how many tropes Iroh breaks for the better

@sayerglasgow115

4 жыл бұрын

I think that there are a few reasons why Iroh survives where most other mentors don't. One of the main ones is that he doesn't really have that much in the way of world-changing info for the characters. He's not a mentor in the traditional sense of explaining to characters how the world they're in works, he's more about giving characters, specifically Zuko, advice on how to live their lives and be a better person. Alive, he influences Zuko to become a better person and eventually renounce his evil father and join the good guys. His death wouldn't have led to nearly as interesting a character arc. Let's say he had died when Azula hit him in "The Chase". Where would that lead Zuko? It would probably lead him on a quest for revenge against her, which could even lead to him working with the good guys, but not as a better person, as an even angrier, sadder, more messed up person than before. I think that's the important difference between Iroh and other mentors. Most mentors provide a hero who's already on the right path with skills, knowledge, and power that they need to achieve their goal, and once they've imparted some (but not all) of that, their death serves to motivate the hero and to force them to navigate the world they're in on they're own. Zuko already HAS skills, knowledge, and power at the start of the show. He has a motivation too, but it's a bad motivation. Iroh's role isn't to make Zuko a better fighter, it's to make him a better person.

@softevilkitten

4 жыл бұрын

Also his rejection is the thing that finally makes Zuko realize that he is f'n everything up. He, I would say, is the disappointed mentor. Who gives up and decides to go help the good guys himself, like a reverse evil mentor.

@mrwindupbird101

4 жыл бұрын

Plus, in a way, Zuko's character arc was his character arc. We watched the lessons he gave grow Zuko into the kind of man that could renounce his family, fight for what is right and become the Fire Lord his people needed. By the time that happens, the conflict is over and Iroh's death wouldn't serve any real purpose then.

@sayerglasgow115

4 жыл бұрын

@@softevilkitten I didn't interpret Iroh's refusal to speak to Zuko for the start of season three as him giving up on Zuko. Personally, I don't think that Iroh would ever really give up on Zuko. What I think happened is that Iroh realized that Zuko needed to figure out that he wasn't happy being his father's son for himself. I think that Iroh's silence was, paradoxically, him doing what he always does, which is whatever is best for Zuko. Iroh had been trying to tell Zuko for years that being his father's obedient prince wouldn't make him happy, but it wasn't sinking in. I think that finally Iroh realized that the only way Zuko would really understand that is to figure it out for himself, on his own. The way I always saw those scenes in the prison cell was that Iroh desperately WANTED to tell Zuko that he wasn't angry with him, and to tell him what he should do, but he knew that this was something Zuko HAD to do on his own.

@softevilkitten

4 жыл бұрын

@@sayerglasgow115 I don't disagree, but there was also a lot of sadnesses, frustration and disappointment on that scene. He acted like a person, a wise one but still. I don't think he was sure Zuko would make the right decision in the end. But I could be wrong, I haven't watched the series in ages.

Story: And the main character’s mentor is not only his mentor but his *father* Me: Oh shit so he’s double dead

@dermongooseplays5500

4 жыл бұрын

Nah the hero dies instead.

@aldergodric4324

4 жыл бұрын

AdaylaDoorwalt 2002 imagine a blatantly evil father mentor

@elijahpadilla5083

4 жыл бұрын

@@aldergodric4324 Blatantly evil mentor, who is also the protagonist's parent, who has "one last job" to do before retiring from active villainy.

@moonwing1715

4 жыл бұрын

Ooof

@CreativeWM_Personal

4 жыл бұрын

Plot twist the mentor is the hero who went back in time to train his younger self so he could save the world from a big bad that the hero accidently created and sent back in time.

8:08 actually, there is one character role more deadly than any other in fiction CHILD IN GERMAN FAIRY TALE

@nopenope6150

Жыл бұрын

D A S K I N D E R S H R E D D E R

@coyraig8332

Жыл бұрын

They don't actually die that often. They're absolutely put in deadly situations, and a bunch of them get horribly maimed, but the only child I can think of that actually died didn't stay dead very long and avenged his own death through fairy tale weirdness. Unless you count the little match girl but that's still an exception. Maybe the little mermaid but I can't remember if the story said anything about her age. There's also a weird trend though of children thought to be dead until fairy tale weirdness confirmed they're still alive.

@ThatOneGuy-wr8rh

Жыл бұрын

@@coyraig8332 no no german fairy tales just straight up end in death a good chunk of the time not like "trapped forever until he gets out" death the child just dies see: suppenkasper. as an additional note, german fairy tales sometimes end in "If they haven't died, then they are still living today."

@HorseEater

Жыл бұрын

@@ThatOneGuy-wr8rh the floor is made out of floor

@Booksforthewin

Жыл бұрын

Postumbirthermantibabypillen

Iroh’s a great example of a mentor that doesn’t die, he has his own character arc outside of his hero

@DavidbarZeus1

2 жыл бұрын

No, Iroh's arc finished before the series even started, his only role in the show is as Zuko's mentor

@TheBingusBongus

10 ай бұрын

In a way, he does. The Great General Iroh, the Dragon of the West and hailed legend of the Fire Nation dies. Iroh’s whole arc is about burying that old version of himself, and making up for the past by not only being a father figure to Zuko and raising him to be better than Ozai, but also in the sense that he joins the Order of the White Lotus, and spearheads the assault on Ba Sing Se to free it from Fire Nation rule.

@sadfern0

4 ай бұрын

​@@TheBingusBongus he was, I believe, already a longtime member of the order of the white lotus before the series even began. I mean, hes literally one of the head honchos of the organization

@mushroomkaat2667

3 ай бұрын

Iroh can't die because he's everyone's mentor and it'll be a while before he gets to the bottom of that list

The worlds most dangerous proffesion A villainous parental mentor

@samanthazellers4620

4 жыл бұрын

So, Darth Vader.

@alucard347

4 жыл бұрын

@@samanthazellers4620 YES

@InquisitorThomas

4 жыл бұрын

No Villainous Maternal Mentor!!!

@hannahdigioia692

4 жыл бұрын

@@samanthazellers4620 Or Viran (Dragon Prince).

@FellsApprentice

4 жыл бұрын

Darth Bane

Shout out to the greatest mentor of all time: uncle iroh, he’s literally everyone’s mentor, even the villain who he guides to becoming a hero, and he doesn’t die in the series Edit: wow 2.3K likes

@lhonlymllx3655

4 жыл бұрын

I forgot how much I loved him, if he had died in the series I would have cried so hard

@chaunceynardi8825

4 жыл бұрын

i feel the only reason this wasn't brought up is so that red has some plausible deniability about trope talk not being about how good avatar is

@greekblade9376

4 жыл бұрын

HOT LEAF WATER

@RhodianColossus

4 жыл бұрын

Uncle Iroh is the greatest character in all of animation and nothing can ever change that

@bartogromeo1269

4 жыл бұрын

@@greekblade9376 Uncle, that's what ALL tea is!

"Mentors die a lot" Chiron in the Percy Jackson series: None for me, thanks!

@moonwatcher4047

3 жыл бұрын

Underrated.

@errorcrj110

3 жыл бұрын

Well, he already died because of Heracles, so does that count?

@moonwatcher4047

3 жыл бұрын

@@errorcrj110 Hercules didn’t kill Chiron. That was a different centaur. I THINK Chiron is immortal considering he’s a son of Chronos.

@acehardware2823

3 жыл бұрын

@@moonwatcher4047 In the original myth Chiron didn't die, but he WAS shot with an arrow dipped with Hydra's poison and combined with his immortality, it meant an enternal agonizing pain. After his wound swelled up like a massive ballon, he asked the gods to change him into a constellation, which they did. So I guess Hercules techincally didn't kill him?

@moonwatcher4047

3 жыл бұрын

@@acehardware2823 oh I didn’t know about that bit. All I knew about was the centaur who Hercules had wine with, and when the centaur accidentally touched one of Hercules poison arrows he died within minutes.

Here's a trope variant I don't see often and I think has potential: a mentor who starts out as an Evil Mentor but turns good due to their student's influence... and DOESN'T immediately die in a heroic sacrifice. Basically combine the Reformed Villain and Evil Mentor tropes.

@Excelsior1937

3 жыл бұрын

Funnily enough I’m writing a story like that right now and I’d say your right about that potential. He’s actually one of my favorite characters.

@BigKlingy

3 жыл бұрын

I just realized this basically describes the plot of Treasure Planet.

@Excelsior1937

3 жыл бұрын

@@BigKlingy OHH YOURE RIGHT!

@jibekmechler139

3 жыл бұрын

Half the reason I love that movie

@sayerglasgow115

3 жыл бұрын

Endeavor.

Mentor: *exists* Every writer ever: “your free trial of being alive has ended”

@schwarzerritter5724

4 жыл бұрын

Why did you think Silvers Reighley Did not ask Luffy to join his crew? He knows what happens to mentors if they stick around for too long.

@mortuos557

4 жыл бұрын

@@schwarzerritter5724 one piece has not ended yet! Just... You know...

@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz

4 жыл бұрын

at least they get a free trial, unlike parents

@shinraset

4 жыл бұрын

Please insert McGuffin to continue being alive.

@colinayre2109

4 жыл бұрын

Uncle Iroh begs to differ

_"The only deadlier profession ... _*_mom_*_ "_ I laughed way harder than I should have.

@zusfrankenstein8561

4 жыл бұрын

Especially when the sample image given has the classic anime "mom" haircut.

@plumey7593

4 жыл бұрын

oh, and don’t forget the generic “hidden face” that appears in every mom memory flashback

@isaacgraff8288

4 жыл бұрын

It is not inaccurate though. I mean... look at Disney how many moms die.

@IrvingIV

4 жыл бұрын

8:07

@whafflete6721

4 жыл бұрын

When your mother is dying so you and your grandpa+His Egyptian friend+Some red hair weirdo you just met few days ago and had a fight with him decided to go on a trip to Egypt and beat up some Blonde hair English dude

"You see, main characters don't usually die that often." George R. R. Martin: I'm going to pretend I didn't hear that.

@Kingdomkey123678

4 жыл бұрын

An Author Who Knows Nothing. There is an exception to every rule

@zozidedodo780

4 жыл бұрын

nah ,once john snow became the main protagonist he developed a thick plot armor he even pulled a revive from the dead

@selonianth

4 жыл бұрын

Martin did it by hiding who the main character was as hard as he could, and even then basically only John Snow seemed like a proper protagonist other than Daenerys who had some screws loose, as badly as her turn was handled there were signs that she wasn't really... protagonisty in the conventional sense... not that I think those signs should have led to what happened no matter what, but at least they were present.

@Gorgun2010

4 жыл бұрын

He is the exception to the rule XD

@hedgehog3180

4 жыл бұрын

As others have said, Stark wasn't really the protagonist of the story. Martin just set us up by playing on the expectations people have for medieval fantasy stories. But he actually spends a lot of time in the first book characterizing all of the other characters who do end up being way more important so he's actually being very clever there. And then because he pulled this really unexpected thing in the first book he keeps us on our toes for the rest of it because now to the audience it seems like everyone could die, especially when it really looked like Stark was gonna be rescued at the last second. But he actually pulls a lot of the same things you find in other stories to save some of the other characters but that just now has tension because the audience knows that there are some actual stakes in this story.

I watched Into The Spiderverse while I was getting a cavity fixed on laughing gas and let me just say, i barely remember the plot but it was extremely magical to watch.

@user-ye6so5uj2k

2 жыл бұрын

🤣

@trystanreadman1764

Жыл бұрын

so if i tell you the entire plot, does it count as spoilers?

@beccaraines2259

Жыл бұрын

@@trystanreadman1764 I think so lol, I hardly remember anything past the first 5-10min

@WindowsillC.D.

2 ай бұрын

I did the exact same thing but with Shrek. I had literally never seen it before and didn't know any of the plot.

Alternate ending to the video: Red: "Wait, by teaching you guys this stuff, that makes me a mentor, doesn't it? Ah crap...."

@fictional-girl_05

4 жыл бұрын

YES

@Sorain1

4 жыл бұрын

Red, glancing at Death: "But I haven't finished teaching them yet, or finished my arc with Blue!" Death: [Shakes scythe in frustration.]

@lysanderbluestone9600

4 жыл бұрын

But Red is a trickster mentor, and genre savvy, so therefore the safest. Unless they're wrong about what genre they're in -- then they're in danger. The narrative can be vicious with irony and perceived hubris.

@em5522

4 жыл бұрын

Bye, Red 😔

@andoryuubushido7191

4 жыл бұрын

I hope she sees this XD

"You cant just kill a character with potential and unfinished plotlines." Danganronpa: Observe.

@azulizachan7595

4 жыл бұрын

Lol, a similar thing happens with one of the characters of Your Turn To Die His character "developement" happens WHILE HE IS DEAD

@felixsubakti6907

4 жыл бұрын

GOD DAMNIT MAIZONO

@librasuperstar3779

4 жыл бұрын

Chihiro, Mondo and Taka :(

@felixsubakti6907

4 жыл бұрын

@@librasuperstar3779 ah right Mondo and Ishimaru went totally nowhere too (I'm pretty sure the overnight sauna was a gay joke executed with sheer subtlety)

@android19willpwn

4 жыл бұрын

sometimes they get posthumous plot resolutions though. Like Chihiro and (kind of) Chiaki.

Something I realized watching this video: Obi-Wan was Vader's mentor AND Luke's. And the self sacrifice was him teaching both of them a lesson: Vader, that death is nothing to be feared, and Luke, that he needs to be able to stand on his own.

4:52 I'm just picturing a hero breaking into the evil lair and destroying the doomsday device and the villain is just like "You're doing great sweetie!!" and the hero looks at them with this big smile because their parental figure is proud of them

Mentor: "I'm gonna be nice and assist young heroes!" Plot: *So you have chosen.. Death.*

@nobuddy5442

4 жыл бұрын

Iroh: *Uno Reverse Card*

@CrystalArtest

4 жыл бұрын

No Buddy to be fair Iroh was the an antagonist(Zuko) mentor.

@goldenpaladin

4 жыл бұрын

@@CrystalArtest that taught him to teach the better choice

@saintsolatus

4 жыл бұрын

What if there was a story that follows an immortal mentor of heroes that dies for every hero he teaches to give them an angst boost, I could see a webcomic or webnovel about that concept.

@jlokison

4 жыл бұрын

@@CrystalArtest Iroh had little private mentor moments with everyone in the protagonist team as well sprinkled throughout the series usually over a cup of tea, and almost always gave them some sort of insight that would influence them subtly from then on. He even pulled off a post death mentor moment with Korra.

ATLA has at least one of each Classic: Iroh Scary Badass: Toph Reluctant: Jeong Jeong Wacky Trickster: Bumi Evil: Hama

@moniion7415

4 жыл бұрын

And none of them die in the series.

@spiritvdc5109

4 жыл бұрын

@@moniion7415 tbf Avatar isn't really the kind of show that kills developed characters on-screen but the point still stands lol

@sayerglasgow115

4 жыл бұрын

@@spiritvdc5109 Jet: "Am I a joke to you?"

@patrickma4220

4 жыл бұрын

Listen, there is nothing classic about Iroh. If he seems like a classic mentor, it's because all other mentors were based off him. My headcanon is that Zuko's honour was up his sleeve the whole time.

@danielgysi5729

4 жыл бұрын

Monk Giatso is another classic mentor

"The only deadlier profession is mom" Lisa Lisa from Jojo being both the main character's mom and mentor: push up sunglasses

@thekicker2517

Жыл бұрын

In Jojo the deadliest job is being a jobro. In the part 1 there's a 50% death rate. In part 2: 100%, part 3: 60%. part 4 has a near zero death rate for jobro's. Haven't watched part 5 or 6.

@Jason_Ultimate

Жыл бұрын

​@@thekicker2517 In terms of pure jobros and not just main cast members, Part 3 has a 50% death rate and Part 4 has a 0% death rate. Part 5 & 6... oof... I'm not gonna say who, but people die. Good people.

@fangsabre

9 ай бұрын

​@@thekicker2517part 5 has like a 70% death rate and part 6, has.... well technically like an 80% death rate but imma call it 95%

@thekicker2517

8 ай бұрын

@@fangsabre not quite. One character doesn't count as a jobro in part 5.

@helloneighbour2408

7 ай бұрын

@@thekicker2517 part 5 has a 50% I think death rate

Random thought: why don't comedic relief characters die more often? I feel like their deaths would have the heaviest, most-immediately-felt impact on the other characters in whatever respective group they're part of. Being often the most endearing whether through slapstick or sheer wit, their deaths can be powerful catalysts for complete and total shifts in tone (whether temporarily or permanently). I'm reminded immediately of two examples from drastically different sources (spoilers ahead): John Lugo from the game Spec Ops: The Line and Maes Hughes from the manga/anime Fullmetal Alchemist. Both were cunning, cheeky characters with endearing streaks a mile long, especially so for Maes Hughes. Their deaths immediately bring down the entire mood, and without their enlightening presence remaining, the gang is left out to dry for quite some time- and in the case of Spec Ops, they're just left out to dry indefinitely. Losing the comedic effect of the group easily sparks downward spirals that are just screaming for plot and through-hardship character development. I don't know I just think it's a really underestimated trope to have the comedy be the one to die.

@spiritvdc5109

4 жыл бұрын

Well we kinda get that in Valkyria Chronicles, not so much with comic relief but with a sort of "mascot" character who functions as the moral heart of the unit and thus their death ends up being an emotional nuke to everyone who knew them, and actually ends up skewing and shaping the character development of many other characters (which I actually really appreciated, since that's the kind of impact that losing a close friend would have on people irl instead of the classic thing in fiction of crying for 20 seconds and then going on like nothing happened)

@ExceptionallyUndersizedThanos

4 жыл бұрын

@@spiritvdc5109 yes exactly, what you said in parentheses is exactly why I feel that the trope is underutilized. And glad to see it being used elsewhere too.

@ascendingfire8404

4 жыл бұрын

I've really only seen this done once myself (at least where they stayed dead): Wash from Firefly. Though Wash wasn't strictly pigeonholed into the comic relief role, he definitely had the most funny lines, and was a lighthearted contrast to the majority of characters who were various stages of serious, jaded, angsty, and violent in tone (the other contrast being Kaylee). His out of nowhere death in the movie Serenity was absolutely heartbreaking and gutwrenching, and the impact was made even greater and more painful by the fact the circumstances in the story prevented anyone from mourning his death properly at the time. He didn't even get any last words or a chance to say goodbye to his wife, just BAM, dead and gone. His death really heightened the tension during the climax of the story too, because if the lighthearted jokester pilot character could be killed like that, then ANYONE could die.

@gracec7225

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly, I kind of whole heartedly agree because I'm a sucker for tragedy and emotional torture but the comedic character often is a well loved character. You would probably lose a lot of invested fans and leaving the story in a downward spiral isn't often welcome. Comedic characters exist for a reason lol. It also depends on how the comedic character relates to the main character and plot. Also if the comedic character is temporarily gone, as in they die or get replaced or something... That's just awkward... People get really invested in the comedic characters and if you swapped them out, you probably wouldn't get the same fanfare. However, I definitely think this is something that should be done more often.

@frederikferguson2571

4 жыл бұрын

J.K Rowling kinda did that by killing Fred Weasley. Sure he is not Ron in the sense of importance for Harry but it still influenced quite a lot

"Sometimes I light a match and let it burn to the end just so I can feel something." Spider Noire was wonderful.

@willowism

3 жыл бұрын

@City Watch Guard it's played for laughs

@JCDFlex

3 жыл бұрын

*Match goes out* "Awww!"

@duxhunt

3 жыл бұрын

@City Watch Guard Least it wasn't Kain in Spiderverse comic levels of edgy

@toxic_shr00m

3 жыл бұрын

It was so weird hearing Nicolas Uncaged voice him

@EclipsaEldrich

3 жыл бұрын

He WAS the best

Writers, trembling while making a mom mentor: “I-I want to kill them... how soon can I kill them..?”

@TheAnga27

4 жыл бұрын

before the story even begins :)

@olgierdvoneverec4135

4 жыл бұрын

And then she turns out to be a tough security guard in a pub at night and the villain.

@IceQueen975

4 жыл бұрын

I see this and raise you: grandmother mentor.

@completelyferrouschemist6776

4 жыл бұрын

I have an idea for a mom mentor. And the answer is: No. That's dumb. It's a cheap punch for the sake of it. The character has as much of an arc as everybody else, why waste it?

@irispark1381

4 жыл бұрын

Izumi curtis never died. Even though she pukes blood for gag.

Man, I hope that Red will be OK, since she's mentoring us so good.

and then theres All Might who finishes his own arc, gets depowered, and gets outgrown by his student, but still stays in the story as a good character

@theghostcreator776

Жыл бұрын

He really should've died tbh

"All mentors have tragic deaths" *laughs in Uncle Iroh*

@zozidedodo780

4 жыл бұрын

yeah and also kakashi this guy mentored both naruto and sasuke and went on to be hokage like a boss

@joefloggg3257

4 жыл бұрын

dog technically he did die in his fight with Pain from chakra overuse. He was then revived.

@boitata2617

4 жыл бұрын

Plot Twist: Uncle Iroh's tragic death wasn't his, it was his son's

@JamesCPotter13

4 жыл бұрын

@@joefloggg3257 Didn't Pain Ninja Magic a nail through his forehead?

@aeturnus4463

4 жыл бұрын

chuckles in izumi curtis

Overly sarcastic productions is high schoolers collective mentor.

@yepyep86

4 жыл бұрын

I'm 25 and haven't been in high school for almost a decade

@morganrobinson8042

4 жыл бұрын

Don't you put that evil on them!

@cmcshane2740

4 жыл бұрын

Who’s planning the funerals then?

@matrimalviarin5043

4 жыл бұрын

It will die when you go to college

@eh9618

4 жыл бұрын

Don't you give them that curse! This better be the peter b. Parker version

Then there’s just Dumbledore who fits every category and can be seen as either totally mental and callous or honestly one of the nicest people ever. What a character.

@ibrahimbinimran4320

2 жыл бұрын

dumbledore just saw all the options and like ticked of every check and jumped off a giant tower.

@ashannahensley3288

2 жыл бұрын

But his death was a kind of senseless one. "I'm a Verifiable super genius, who has people talking about my genius and skill above all other wizards. I have books written about my genius. I'm even the only being Voldemort has ever shown fear towards. "Now! Let's throw all that out the window to activate a Death Trap I know is a Death Trap. Fail to get my Mook to give me a noble suicide, so I'll just get a child to assassinate me for the lolz. "Oh! Did I forget to mention my Super Geniusness!? I know I'm dying, so I'll give teenagers things needed to defeat the evil overlord, that I could have had done in moments. But will do so now, without a clear explanation or a heads up." ========= Even in death. The guy was a troll.

@9nikolai

Жыл бұрын

@@ibrahimbinimran4320 "Alas, it seems mentors are meant to die before the chosen one may fulfill their destiny. Oh Snaaaaape"

There's a way to do this without killing the mentor: the mentor has taught them all they can offer in terms of teaching and they can't live the hero's life for them. Yep classic gut punch truth where the mentor has to just straight up tell them like it is no matter how difficult it is to hear or accept. No death needed but definitely making it clear that they're no longer the mentor. The students has now become their equal or even surpassed the mentor.

@MigattenoBlakae

2 жыл бұрын

Example: *almost* all of Goku’s mentors Edit: except grandpa Gohan lmao I’m such a basket case

@guillaumelandaburu1784

2 жыл бұрын

Or another one would be like Gyro in jojo part 7 : the mentor has lot of knowlodge to teach but that knowledge doesnt make them overpowered and they cant solve the plot alone. They tag along with the protagonist who despite starting as a weaker caracter brings their own set of skill to the table and some minor additionnal firepower. As the plots goes the protagonist becomes equal or superior in power to the mentor but still understands that just like the mentor they cant handle the plot alone, so the protagonist still keeps the mentor with him.

@agustinvenegas5238

2 жыл бұрын

So, sifu from kung fu panda

@iceluvndiva21

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking Callahan in big hero 6 ot Toph or Jeong Jeong or Pakku, or even arguably Oazi in regards to azula from avatar the last airbender. None of them died but you can damn well bet that they lived to fight another day.

@figthegiant4065

Жыл бұрын

Like the hero becomes dependent on the mentor for guidance and is unable to make confident decisions on their own? Thats brilliant

I'm surprised you didn't talk about the major subversion to this trope: Kung Fu Panda. Master Shifu's arc is centered around learning to love again and mentoring Po, and the movie has that lovely conflict between him and his son that ends with Shifu being "at peace" after Po saves the day. At the end of the first movie it just feels like a funny fake out, but as the series goes on it becomes clear that his guilt was holding him back from growing as a master, and we see his character develop in a very Gandalf the White way. He's relegated to more of a background character as well, serving mostly as a guide to where Po should look for the next steps in his own arc. But it's a great example of how you don't have to KILL a mentor to have them complete their arc and maybe discover some new ones as the story continues.

@Tmanowns

4 жыл бұрын

I don't know, he just fits the reluctant mentor archetype. In fact, HIS mentor even dies, and Shifu has an arc thanks to it, like Red said about reluctants.

@curiousKuro16

4 жыл бұрын

@@Tmanowns That's true as well. The first Kungfu Panda is where he has the most screentime and development, almost like it's equal parts his movie and Po's movie. And just because he's reluctant doesn't make him immune to death as well.

@MariaVosa

4 жыл бұрын

Excellent example!

@MusicoftheDamned

4 жыл бұрын

Don't worry. I'm sure Shifu will spontaneously combust or something as the inciting incident of _Kung Fu Panda 4_ or whatever.

@Janoha17

4 жыл бұрын

@@MusicoftheDamned He did get turned into a jade zombie in 3, leading to the duel of the father figures.

I'm fully expecting Iroh in this. We gotta keep The Last Airbender in every single Trope Talks after all. Edit: My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.

@YeetSpace

4 жыл бұрын

Preach

@tijn0770

4 жыл бұрын

The dragon prince is becoming good enough to also appear in every trope talk

@kamikazejump5022

4 жыл бұрын

@@tijn0770 Nah it's mediocre

@coyraig8332

4 жыл бұрын

You got Hello Future Me mixed up with OVP

@Bwizz245

4 жыл бұрын

Kamikaze Jump Okay Companion Imbecile

My favourite quote from _Star Wars Heirs of the Empire_ is about mentor deaths: "Luke was orphaned three times"... I mean, what is the Hero's Journey if not a constant cycle of losing surrogate parents untill you become fully self-relliant?

For me, I've been writing the Main Character as a mentor, who was responsible, in a way, that caused his apprentices to be captured by an Empire. Now I realised that I had intended to kill him off in the first place and am slightly depressed about it.

@spiritvdc5109

4 жыл бұрын

Tropes are tropes for a reason :/ I subvert this trope primarily by not having mentors, rather my characters are all peers with different perspectives who learn from each other through mutual development arcs

@alamrasyidi4097

3 жыл бұрын

just because youre following a trope doesnt mean youre writing wrong, its how the story comes out that matters

@FioreCiliegia

3 жыл бұрын

Subvert it. Death isn’t the only meaningful impactful way for a character to vanish. Heck it can be worse if they just vanish for 30 years and who knows if they are alive or not. All the main characters want to do is find out but unfortunately the crappyness of the world never given them the chance to breathe

@ThinWhiteAxe

2 жыл бұрын

@Tom Ffrench lol that's what I thought too In my biased opinion there's no problem with having more Obi-Wans though 😁

@aquilaorion3531

2 жыл бұрын

as mentioned in the video, what matters is if you implement tropes effectively. after centuries of storytelling, it’s inevitable that certain reoccurring story beats work really well and show up in pretty much every story. just focus on writing a good story and don’t worry too much about tropes :)

Obi-wan regular mentor :dies Luke reluctant mentor: dies Yoda trickster mentor: dies Palpatine evil mentor: dies Yikes

@artemiostriantafyllou7986

4 жыл бұрын

Vader: hey Luke, want me to be your mentor? *dies*

@kieranallerston1888

4 жыл бұрын

Luke becomes reluctant mentor to Rey: dies

@AngelicOblivion90

4 жыл бұрын

han solo potential mentor: dies Kylo ren/ben solo evil mentor that turns into good love interest: dies Leia relunctant mentor: dies

@thestranger954

4 жыл бұрын

Han Solo badass mentor: dies

@jimboanimations4041

4 жыл бұрын

ghi gon jin, mentor: d i e s

Red: makes a trope talk vide about mentors Red: doesn't talk about Iroh Me: is that trope subversion?

@Ajehy

4 жыл бұрын

Thundergozon - Iroh is a very atypical mentor, not terribly trope-y.

@thundergozon6439

4 жыл бұрын

@@Ajehy Possibly, but you can always find a trope if you dig deep enough. Anyway, the joke is that Red bringing up Avatar is a Trope Talk trope.

@hedgehog3180

4 жыл бұрын

@@thundergozon6439 Maybe Spiderman Into the Spiderverse is gonna be the new trope, it's already come up on another previous video.

@ziggyjg2453

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ajehy Iroh is kinda like the "evil mentor" in the sense "I used to be evil, and I don't want you to end up like I was." Past tense evil. Growing up in the fire nation greatly affected both Iroh and Zuko, and Iroh doesn't want Zuko to go down a dark path. Zuko early on rejects him as a mentor (like we see in many family mentor dynamics), and part of Zuko accepting Iroh as a mentor and somebody he cares about is Zuko learning to accept Iroh's help and advice.

@e4ehco21

3 жыл бұрын

@@ziggyjg2453 he's more like a combination of evil mentor, classic mentor, and badass mentor

I want “Turns out death is a social construct” on a t-shirt please.

you know what I want as a trope reversal of the evil mentor? the first half of the story starts out as a standard hero story, but then in the second half it turns out the "hero" was evil and the perspective shifts to the mentor having to stop them. yes, the evil mentee

I swear, when she said “The only more dangerous career is mom”, I couldn’t help thinking of Lisa Lisa. She’s a mentor, a mother, AND in Jojo’s(one of the animes which has killed every sort of character under the Sun, and also the Sun), and she still didn’t die.

@poxy5122

4 жыл бұрын

Well, why yes, JoJo's does kill a lot of characters, it usually kills the "bros" and not really the moms of JoJo's. Like, the only moms that have been killed in JoJo's were either nameless or we haven't even seen their face, so I think this means that Araki supports milfs.

@albertcheng5689

4 жыл бұрын

@@poxy5122 Mary Joestar is the only dead JoJo's Mom

@sceptile6375

4 жыл бұрын

Poxy the MILF hunters death wasn't in vain.

@dr.stronk9857

4 жыл бұрын

never watched it but is Dio the main antagonist or the most popular? if I watched it, it would be for Dio

@nope2942

4 жыл бұрын

@Munch Lacks remember, everything happened because some rock people got greedy

"Villains and mentors are the two deadliest career paths in fiction." To that I raise you... THE HERO'S PARENTS!

@Dragrath1

4 жыл бұрын

And to that I raise the bad ass secretly evil trickster mom mentor. :P

@kimarous

4 жыл бұрын

@@Dragrath1 Does Kreia from KOTOR 2 count as that?

@angeldude101

4 жыл бұрын

@@Dragrath1 The kind who lets her child who she shouldn't know is actually the chosen one out into a hurricane while also pushing her down the stairs? The kind who talks to her chosen one of a child about the fun of drinking alcohol after basically telling her to screw something up intentionally?

@Sorain1

4 жыл бұрын

"I have spent the last twenty five years of my life preparing for this day." "Mom, I'm fifteen." "What, you thought I would just accept any random man to be your father? That I didn't need to cultivate the skills I would need to teach you? To prepare the resources and the ground for your victory today?" "So what, you've never loved me?" "Sweet child, I do love you. I just value victory more than either of our lives. That's why this is an illusion and right now I'm paving the way to your destiny, with our enemies blood. Finish this, and it will all have been worth it."

When you realize Iroh didn't die because the writers originally meant for him to be an evil mentor who betrays zuko at the end. I'm so glad he didn't go evil, I have enough trust issues on my own thanks

@nicoski6347

3 жыл бұрын

Holy crap, is that true? I would've lost it if Iroh had turned evil. I mean, come on! He's Iroh!

@JaelinBezel

2 жыл бұрын

"I was never angry at you. I was sad because I was afraid you'd lost your way."

@thegreatfusili4673

2 жыл бұрын

@@nicoski6347 no. This isn't true at all

@juliefarrell6688

2 жыл бұрын

Wait... WHAT

@ashannahensley3288

2 жыл бұрын

Mhmm! Him becoming an Avatar Obi Wan off screen and living in the Acid Trip spirit world as a Bad Ass, immortal spirit Mentor. Is pretty cool. Kind of sad that the Immortal Mentor was never covered though. The only kind of Mentor that the Mentor Death Curse, can't touch. (Examples include Princess Luna (LunaVerse MLP), Princess Celestia (MLP), and Merlin (Immortal, and simply disappears in fiction).

A mentor who gets bored of just teaching the hero and actually joins them in their party as the "badass old man". Now THAT'S a trope I'd like to see more

@pineconeconeybear7172

3 жыл бұрын

That’s basically Halt from the Rangers Apprentice.He starts off as the mentor then keeps going on these adventures. They are really good books and all of them 100% worth reading.

@sunshinesmiles5386

10 ай бұрын

​@@pineconeconeybear7172LITERALLY THOUGHT OF HALT BEFORE OPENING UP THE REPLIES - this is amazing

@doritos4956

9 ай бұрын

Ahem Izumi kinda follows this

"I must go, my dear apprentice. We are approaching the Third Act, and I don't want to die."

You even draw the Moms with the "anime dead moms hair" 10/10

@VegetaLF7

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I caught that too

What's cool about uncle Iroh and why he's one of the best mentor figures is that he's basically all five of these. He's always happy, cheerful, easy to love and get attached to like the classic mentor. He's a man with a lot of actual baggage and tragedy in his past and subtly evolves as a character like the reluctant mentor but can be absolutely wacky and silly like the wacky mentor too. But when shit gets serious and he stops screwing around he genuinely becomes scary like the scary mentor and he was once evil or at least morally questionable in his past to making him a former evil mentor. Uncle Iroh is basically the ultimate mentor figure.

*"WAIT I HAVE TO HEROICALLY SACRIFICE MYSELF NOW"* "aw BEANS"

Dedliest occupation in fiction: Parent in a superhero movie Mother in a Disney film Mentor

@komiccomik4796

4 жыл бұрын

uncle in a spiderman movie

@fantasyshadows3207

4 жыл бұрын

Nah a villain parent in a Disney superhero film who is a secret mentor and is trying to be good

@justanotheryoutubecommente2

4 жыл бұрын

Who's more likely to die, a cartoonishly evil villain or a really complex one? Complex villains are more likely to have a redemption arc and become a hero or at least hero-adjacent, but they're also more prone to noble sacrifices

@bizarreelementals1230

4 жыл бұрын

Mother in general is a deadly job in fiction

@astrick1768

4 жыл бұрын

Red shirts in Star Trek.

Mentor: you know kiddo, I think you have learned everything tha- Plot: looks at mentor tapping at its watch.while.holding a baseball bat Mentor: nevermind, have you heard of the tragedy of Darth plaugus the wise?

Iroh and Qui-Gon are two mentors that very much subvert the mentor tropes but in two drastically different ways Iroh subverts tropes by a) not dying obviously and b) not serving as the entry point into the story for anyone. He serves as a mentor for Zuko but while he does teach Zuko to firebend, Zuko is already a great firebender at the start of the series. And Zuko is already well versed in the world he lives in. Those traditional mentor tasks have already been taken care of. Iroh serves to make Zuko a better person. The culmination of that is to see Zuko be the king Iroh always thought he could be. Iroh actually can't die without seeing his character arc fulfilled because that would mean he never gets to see Zuko become the person he always believed he could be Qui-Gon is similar to Iroh. His role as a mentor is to raise Anakin, train him, and teach him to become the best most balanced Jedi he could be. However his role in the story is the exact opposite. In the story, his role is to die before he can fulfill his role as a mentor for Anakin. Most mentors die once their role is finished but Qui-Gon dies long before and is forced to dump the responsibility on the lap of Obi-Wan, who didn't really want to be Anakin's teacher but accepted the responsibility to his fallen master. As a result, Anakin doesn't have the person he needs to raise him. Obi-Wan doesn't really know what he's doing and while he does his best, he is unable to do what Qui-Gon would've been able to do. As a result Anakin goes down the wrong path and becomes Darth Vader

I just realised that in the She-Ra remake, the main character has not one, but two evil mentors, one blatantly evil and one secretly evil. Everyone on that show needs so much therapy, I swear.

@mermaidismyname

2 жыл бұрын

I mean they're kinda both blatantly evil tbh she's just too trusting to realize it

@mermaidismyname

2 жыл бұрын

Oh wait I just realized you were talking about light hope nevermind

Mentor: "I have taught you everything you need to know. There is nothing more I can do for you." Writers: *_"You have alerted the horde."_*

All I can think of is Assassination Classroom, where the ENTIRE plot was about killing the mentor!

@Bluecho4

4 жыл бұрын

The only way the mentor dies is by the students proving they don't need him anymore, by becoming badass enough to kill him.

@snakeman830

4 жыл бұрын

@@Bluecho4 The kids would certainly disagree with you there.

@kx4998

4 жыл бұрын

i cried everytime

@otaku-chan4888

4 жыл бұрын

@Tin Watchman Excuse me, Koro-sensei isn't evil! He's a cinnamon roll!

Ok, the "mom" frame with the classic anime side ponytail of every dead mom ever was very good, I applaud you, Red.

Th whole “dead characters cannot grow is why I like the Magnus Chase series so much. The plot only really gets going when the main character (magnus) gets killed when the big bad guy Surt chucks a ball of melting asphalt into his chest and magnus takes him off of the side of a bridge into a freezing river. Then the real crazy stuff starts.

@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214

Жыл бұрын

Really a Shame Surt didnt even appear after Book 1, the Magnus Chase Series had so much potential

@Booksforthewin

Жыл бұрын

If you think Magnus Chase failed at its premise, you forget that Surt was just the Catalyst, not the main villain. Loki is the villain.

Also: Saitama. He as a mentor is like THAT professor with 500+ publications under his belt without the capability of ACTUALLY teaching.

@idndyzgaming

4 жыл бұрын

Besides Saitama not being an actual S-rank as all professors should be, he's THAT.

@ThePCguy17

4 жыл бұрын

Not to mention that he's pretty much completely unkillable, so he's safe from that narrative pothole.

@gafeleon9032

4 жыл бұрын

I have a physics prof in school with a PhD in physics Almost no one actually understands him because he barely explains anything

@tiagodarkpeasant

4 жыл бұрын

@@idndyzgaming many professor in my college are so old that they predate the requirements

@richmcgee434

4 жыл бұрын

For the last time "Just hit him really hard and don't die" is not helpful advice, Saitama.

Mentor: You taught me to have hope again Author: Now let’s kill that hope in the most painful way possible

@whoknows7968

4 жыл бұрын

Death flag: *Ah yes my time has come once more!*

@thomaseasley2938

3 жыл бұрын

What show is your profile from

@fantasyshadows3207

2 жыл бұрын

Better idea Fake out death with the protagonist The mentor was taught how to love, to care and to hope again… and then kill off the protagonist for a gut punch, sure they can be brought back near seconds later, just saved from the death from the power of Love or friendship but it’ll nearly shatter the mentors heart into pieces

@celestialudenburnedsimp7274

2 жыл бұрын

Nagito shaking rn

@blackbearflower4251

2 жыл бұрын

Mentor= Kanan Jarrus Author= Dave Filoni

Just for the record: Izumi Curtis is one of my favorite examples, and didn't even occur to me. She was able to pass herself off as a normal person, when in reality...SHE'S AN ALCHEMIST!!! *Cough* Sorry. Went a little overboard. The thing toward the end of Brotherhood was awesome.

Red: *mentions scary badass mentor* The MHA fandom: GET YOUR SLEEPING BAGS AND SCARVES EVERYBODY

I like how the "mom" imagage IS using the death hairstyle. If you see a mom anime character with that hair, they will die.

@mirjanbouma

4 жыл бұрын

What hairstyle is that?

@navadax4541

4 жыл бұрын

The stereotypical hairstyle of an anime mother, who have a habit of dying to motivate the main character.

@matheusm.santana6527

4 жыл бұрын

@@mirjanbouma A side ponytail. also known as "The mom's hairstyle of death"

@justanotheryoutubecommente2

4 жыл бұрын

Cries in fma

@mirjanbouma

4 жыл бұрын

@@matheusm.santana6527 thank you

The deadliest careers in fiction: 5. Villain 4. Mentor 3. Random dude in a shady place 2. Guard in a government facility 1. Parent

@swanandab2484

3 жыл бұрын

and in some cases The LOVE INTEREST

Nice to see Red bring up the Dragon Prince. I feel like the show isn't talked about as much as it should be and that it has the potential to be just as good as ATLA (especially from a writing standpoint).

@koalatydm

2 жыл бұрын

Thank goodness at least one person in the comments is talking about this. Viren is such a great antagonist. Soren is such a great example of a redemption arc. Claudia is thus far such a great example of a character fallen from grace - her core character trait of trying to protect and keep her family together has never changed. I really hope someday Red will be using The Dragon Prince as whole as an example of tropes done well. Fingers crossed!

@mastermuffles7097

2 жыл бұрын

Is true, definitely has potential. I would like to see mentioned more often

Obi-Wan has to be the Best Mentor of all time: he trains both Father & Son in the Skywalker saga.. ...and he only dies when he _chooses_ to die.

@Ouvii

4 жыл бұрын

A Jedi is never late, nor is he early. He dies precisely when he means to.

@kanalithviper4744

4 жыл бұрын

Uncle Iroh knocked. He wants to drink some tea with a fellow amazing mentor who also chose when to die because he wouldn’t fight another person for no reason and both are fairly chill.

@starmaker75

4 жыл бұрын

He also had the most powerful weapon, the high ground.

@Obi-Wan_Kenobi

4 жыл бұрын

Your welcome

@schw4rztee502

4 жыл бұрын

@@kanalithviper4744 Didn't Iroh just not die? I haven't read the latest two comics yet, but last thing I remember he was still drinking tea in the spirit world not aging a day since he entered.

You called the entire first mentor type "The Obi-Wan"! I feel so honored and appreciated!

@Sorain1

4 жыл бұрын

i think red wanted to avoid calling it 'The Qui-Gon' for your sake.

One of my favorite things about mentors is that they're usually far more badass than the heroes in the beginning -- they can't beat the Big Bad, but they can save the heroes until someone else can.

I know this video's 2 years old, but hey, just found the channel a month ago... Miles' moves as Spider Man are ALL From Aaron. Miles moves like the prowler, more Parkour than Swinging like the other spider people (except where he note-for-note moves through the collider like Peter A. Parker did in the opening,) and Miles uses his invisibility like The Prowler moved through shadow.

Mentors are killed off almost as often as parents.... So don't be a mentor or have kids, kids

@PlasticgamerPC

4 жыл бұрын

Nah the trick is to stock up on so many death flags that the story can't kill you!

@fantasyshadows3207

4 жыл бұрын

Nah troll the reader and make the protagonist a mentor

@brinashiloff3439

4 жыл бұрын

.... by giving us this advice aren’t you essentially acting as a mentor?

@brinashiloff3439

4 жыл бұрын

Do I have to worry about your death?

@ZenoDLC

4 жыл бұрын

Mentor your kid

"Well, as an older mentor figure, the most likely scenario is that I'd return only to be randomly killed by an enemy of yours so that you can cradle my dying body while swearing revenge so don't take it personally if I say that I sincerely hope we never cross paths again." - Captain Julio Scoundrél, Order of the Stick

@MalloonTarka

4 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, but as a chaotic good character, he just _loved_ flying in the face of tradition. And boy did he!

@EclipseDoesArt

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for acknowledging OOTS, I love that comic and none of my friends read it! Also Julio is amazing

@zidaryn

4 жыл бұрын

Order Of The Stick? Is that a comic or manga and who did it? Tells me more so I can find and enjoy this intresting story.

@Sorain1

4 жыл бұрын

Order of The Stick is a webcomic.

@sarafontanini7051

4 жыл бұрын

@@zidaryn its a webcomic based on D&D, just google it, its on the website Giant in the Playground

*Dying Mentor* : “Oh I’m dying, I don’t have time to explain all the things I said I was going to explain, I only have time to explain that I don’t have time to explain it” -Collegehumor

Mia Fey, the classic mentor who gives zero shoots about whether Phoenix has progressed enough not to need her anymore as she repeatedly un-fridges herself to tell him stuff like, “flip over the receipt.”

"Lancers don't usually die"... unless we're talking about Fate Series.

@MegaPokefan97

4 жыл бұрын

Lancer ga shinda!

@reddfeather1408

4 жыл бұрын

Kono hito de nashi!

@Samm815

4 жыл бұрын

Catholic Priest~! *shakes fist impotently*

@CodeBlazeFate

4 жыл бұрын

*a wild Sehai-kun appears*

@Lunictd

4 жыл бұрын

I wasn't looking for this but *good Lord I'm ecstatic* I found it! Thank you!

"Lancers don't die." Cu Chulainn: *Laughs in dead*

@JarloftheNorth

4 жыл бұрын

Also Cù Chulainn: Laughs in solo’d Herc and Gilgamesh

@TheLordofMetroids

4 жыл бұрын

Lancer Ga Shinda!

@O-san4

4 жыл бұрын

Imagine being a Lancer

@beastkingthe1st771

4 жыл бұрын

@@JarloftheNorth true but he was able to hold out against Gil in one route for like a day I think

@JarloftheNorth

4 жыл бұрын

@@beastkingthe1st771 I was talking about FGO's Nerofest, actually. Look up Honako Green's channel. He manages to beat super bosses in the form of Herc and Gil with ONLY Cù

Ah, one of the best evil mentors, Tom Cavanagh as Eobard Thawne. Such an excellent performance and character

@TheGreaterDane

2 жыл бұрын

The fact the Thawne develops a type of parental love towards Barry, but still clings to his hatred for the Flash is an amazing way to write the chracter

IDK why I just noticed this, but since Obi-wan and Anakin were like brothers, doesn’t that almost make Obi-Wan “Uncle Ben”, both share the same role in the narrative. Just something I noticed

I really love how at 8:15 Red made sure to give the "Mom" the infamous side ponytail. If you're a mom and you have the side ponytail, your death in that narrative all but assured.

@yunamchill9169

4 жыл бұрын

So that means Trisha Elric was doomed to die from the start and it had no way to be averted? My poor boys!🙈

@alenazwiep2996

4 жыл бұрын

Yuna McHill pretty sure she’s the one who started the trend. If not, she’s at least the one that made everyone start noticing it.

@aghadlarhen9397

4 жыл бұрын

@@alenazwiep2996 yup. Trisha Elric started the "Dead Mom" fashion trend. Many mom's soon followed suit

@samanthazellers4620

4 жыл бұрын

Uh, what about Kagome's mom in Inuyasha?

@Kage-pm6qi

4 жыл бұрын

​ Samantha Zellers She has a different kind of Death: The death of Screen Time and Importance.

“Death is a social construct” Best thing in the vid

@williamrosen3179

4 жыл бұрын

"Pants are an illusion and so is death" -Huu the Swamp Bender

9:05 Sup Thanatos, out to cause more trauma I see. I love the new cloak, and that scythe looks sharper than usual, I’m assuming someone’s family is going to be slaughtered for plot reasons. Well you enjoy yourself then, and tell Hermes I say hi.

@VictoriaStarratt

Жыл бұрын

I love this comment so much

@netherillager5959

Жыл бұрын

@@VictoriaStarratt Thanks, I try my best

@VictoriaStarratt

Жыл бұрын

@@netherillager5959 lol

Ever considered doing a video of villain protagonists? Sometimes it's fun to root for the bad guy.

"Mentors usually die" Iroh:*Laughs*

Pyrrha from RWBY pulls double duty on the death flags by being both a mentor and a love interest.

"Aaron is moonlighting as the Prowler." The moment when you remember that Aaron's VA Mahershala Ali won an Oscar for Best Supporting Actor for a movie called "Moonlight".

@JaelinBezel

2 жыл бұрын

The man has an awesome voice.

I love how My Hero Academia subverts tropes like this: they deliberately created a mentor figure we suspect will die in the near future, but then against all expectations, he *refuses* to die. You gotta respect him for that.

@gamingdemigodxiii5630

4 жыл бұрын

For now. The writer may just be delaying the inevitable.

@neilhenderson5581

4 жыл бұрын

I like how season 4 played with the mentor death trope, invoking it without, er, activating it

@blueteller

4 жыл бұрын

@@gamingdemigodxiii5630 In another story I would totally agree, but you see, it would contradict the main theme of the show - which is inspiring hope. If the mentor died after promising the protagonist that he *won't* in this context, it would break the "moral" of the story. (Also, consider that the protagonist calls himself "the worlds greatest hero" in episode 2 - if he's speakin from the future, he would never say that if he let his mentor die after all this.)

@blueteller

4 жыл бұрын

@@neilhenderson5581 Actually, now that I think about it, they created all 5 mentors... and subverted all of them (spoilers): 1) All Might is the classic mentor, but he refused to die in season three 2) Aizawa is the scary secretly nice mentor, who had a fake-out death in season one 3) Nighteye was the reluctant, least probable to die mentor, yet he still died in season four 4) Gran Torino was the wacky trickster mentor, fooling around like Yoda, but somehow didn't die after a single internship in season two, and 5) All For One was the openly evil mentor, not for the protagonist, but still counted, and he didn't die either in season three, yet he got arrested, which was also an unexpected end for him. The writing in this show really is brilliant.

@otaku-chan4888

4 жыл бұрын

He's gonna die eventually, he _knows_ he's gonna die eventually, even Deku knows he's gonna die eventually...but they're trying their best to not dwell on that. Honestly, waiting for that inevitable death is like staring down a gut punch poised in the air which you know is going to hit you. It really sucks.

One of the most memorable examples of a protagonist surpassing their mentor which I've ever read is from Ranger's Apprentice, when Will uses his bow to catch an arrow in flight and even his mentor Halt (who's usually the scary badass archetype) just goes "My god! How did you do that?"

OMG LOOK IT'S VIREN AND SOREN!!!!! Viren is the best villain and nothing can change my mind. Soren is baby and must be protected at all costs.

Peter B Parker As in “choice B” to prime-peter’s choice A. Why am I only realizing this now.

@soyildraws9095

4 жыл бұрын

Also Peter Ben Parker

@soyildraws9095

3 жыл бұрын

@Tom Ffrench that’s his canon middle name tho

@gemsineye

3 жыл бұрын

Actually, the B stands for bacon. No seriously, look it up. It’s great.

1:16 "turns out death is a social construct" I laughed WAY too hard at that

@doritobrando4966

4 жыл бұрын

Death is a concept invented by the Jedi

@nobuddy5442

4 жыл бұрын

*Social construct Social contract also makes sense lol

@ralphjackson2518

4 жыл бұрын

@@nobuddy5442 thought I typed that, too tired rn lol.

what type of mentor is shiro from voltron LD. he's a mentor to keith, he was meant to die in a heart felt moment then didn't and so when keith learns to be a leader while shiro's gone when he comes back keith loses his purpose as the next leader. then when shiro was meant to die for real hes shoved into the side character role just to get him away from keith so keith's arc can finish developing.

@sayerglasgow115

3 жыл бұрын

Shiro is a mentor who the plot keeps trying to kill and who keeps trying to heroically sacrifice himself, but for some reason can't die.

There is also three other types of mentors. the trapped mentor: they are still powerful and wise, they just can’t leave a certain place due to some plot reason; like Ford Cruller from the video game Psychonauts, he was a vary powerful psychic but couldn’t leave he secret base without him relapsing into one of his alter egos, because of a previous fight left his mind broken and shattered, if he was not in the proximity of Psitanium (psychic energy given a physical form). the powerless mentor: they are the ones that had battled the bad guy before and won or lost with it costing them their powers. The losing power mentor: they are the ones that were powerful back in their heyday but for some plot reason are losing their power.

You should do a trope talk: trope talks episode for april 1st.

@lilianareyes6999

4 жыл бұрын

Definitely

@kaitlnwhite6809

4 жыл бұрын

Nate DS It’d be cool if they did a trickster episode.

@cybersketcher1130

4 жыл бұрын

I'd rather Red actually make a serious trope talk, since a joke one takes just as much time, and I love this series more than an April fool's joke.

@marvalice3455

4 жыл бұрын

Well now it's ruined

@BlackCover95

4 жыл бұрын

For April 1st, I think she should do a video on “My Immortal”.

Red, as a fellow writer, you didn't mention the most important reason why mentors die: it makes the hero stand on their own rather relying on the mentor. Sometimes stories get around this by having the mentor retire, but by killing off the mentor, it permanently cuts off that lifeline. It's a theme of independence that is an extremely important part of including a mentor. The hero must now use everything the mentor taught them, without the mentor's guidance.

@atlantefou566

4 жыл бұрын

Indeed, a very good example of that is Giles' song "Standing" in Buffy's musical comedy episode "Once more with feelings" (I think in the 5th season).

@spiffylady9465

4 жыл бұрын

@@atlantefou566 6th season, but excellent example!

I’m deeply hurt All Might wasn’t mentioned once, but I love the video anyway.

@willieoelkers5568

2 жыл бұрын

All Might is ultimately more of a role model than full-fledged mentor. Heck, the fact that his being the classic archetypal shounen hero makes him a poor mentor was a plot point

@djantouahmed7319

2 жыл бұрын

Aizawa, AFO are better mentors.

4:35 The moment I saw Harrison Wells I *screamed*

I have to admit that Iroh surviving all the plot of Avatar TLA was a beautiful surprise!! Also, nice to see you quoting The Dragon Prince! And, I DIED with the MOM image... you got the hairdo right for the "mom of a protagonist in an anime"

@johanandhira5429

4 жыл бұрын

Iroh survived the curse but his voice actor didn't. Rip Mako

@Kuwagumo

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, finally some The dragon prince appearing here, it is a great cartoon AND works with lots of tropes. I was kinda startled with its absense in this channel

Red: "...the mentor usually dies..." Me: *glances to Izumi Curtis* She's too scary to die, though.

@yunamchill9169

4 жыл бұрын

If you watched The Conqueror of Shamballa, her Mentor arc came full circle, sadly.😢

@Soenel7

4 жыл бұрын

Don't forget Iroh

@kereminde

4 жыл бұрын

@@yunamchill9169 Well that's not Brotherhood continuity ;) So she can be Schrodinger's Mentor - both alive and dead!

@matthewmuir8884

4 жыл бұрын

@@Soenel7 I'm very surprised that Red didn't mention Iroh at all. She never gets tired of referencing Avatar: the Last Airbender.

@tendigitnumber

4 жыл бұрын

When most people ask me what I am, I usually say a housewife. But in this instance, I think I should call myself something different. I am... A MENTOR WHO SURVIVES THROUGH THE WHOLE PLOT! D

I just wanna add something to the evil mentor description: Sometimes the evil mentor is the only person capable of helping the hero in whatever way they need help so the hero reluctantly asks for their help completely aware of the risks that come with it. This’ll usually end in either the hero turning evil or at least greatly struggling to resist turning evil or and mentor becoming good after working with the hero for some time