I've had a 2016 T120 (first model of the current series) since it was new. The difference between Avon replacements and the stock tires cannot be overstated. It's a capable, comfortable and forgiving bike. If you're wanting to scrape your foot pegs, look elsewhere. It's not made for that any more than a sport bike is made for comfort. The heated grips are wonderful and I highly recommend the cruise control option. It's truly a wonderful ride and I can vouch for build quality. I've got 21k miles on it now and it's never had a single issue. I've kept it maintained and it's pretty much bulletproof. One of the first few times I took my wife out, riding two up in the country - she summed it up best when she said "You can never sell this bike."

Just picked up my 2021 t120 absolutely over the moon with it I guess to a certain degree you want a bonneville you get a bonneville To me it's perfect

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

Congratulations! I think if you can get a good deal, then yes it is an excellent bike, but Triumph are selling it at exactly the same price as the Speed Twin - basically a T120R. I don't get it. Anyway, enjoy that lovely engine :)

@japa6987

2 жыл бұрын

My T120 is too 👍 I disagree the rear suspension is weak

Love it I own a Triumph Bonnieville T120 have owned it for 3 years now and it puts a smile on my face every time I ride it, the power and its so smooth great choice

@jackchristodoulou197

2 жыл бұрын

Oops sorry should have watched the video first

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, it's a great bike. Nothing wrong with it really, other than the price. It's about €3K too expensive compared to the competition. Ride safe :)

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

Haha, always a good idea :)

The T120 is certainly a classic machine! I like the looks of it. The T120 brings back memories of the mid-1960’s Bonneville. I agree, overall, the suspension is most likely somewhat lacking. Hope you get your new mystery bike soon! Ride safe.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I agree it looks nice, but ultimately fails to impress me. Ride safe :)

@gfunk63901

2 жыл бұрын

@@RocketMan_Moto different things for different people. My 2020 T120 in green and white speaks to me in way none of the other Trimuph’s do with the exception of the bobber, which I found uncomfortable to ride or the speedmaster, which sat too low and uncomfortable handlebars

It's a Bonneville, a gentleman's bike. I have the Cordovan Red on Grey and love it. I did consider the ST but for what i want to do the T120 is perfect. its a look and a feel and a heritage that attracted me when i decided to return to two wheels after 30 years.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you're enjoying your bike :)

Good to see you back. Hope you enjoyed August on the Algarve. Not my type of bike, this.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks. It was faster than I thought it would be, but still not fast enough :)

Hi Rocketman, Great review, honest and very useful to any potential owner.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Grant :)

The best 1200cc Triumph ever! I got a few options on mine which makes it the perfect bike. I love it ♥️

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

A bit too tame for me :)

Lovely video as always. I was realy thinking of buying a T120 this summer cause i love the spocked wheels and the chrome everything... But in the end, the almost 14 000€ looked like too much. I ended up buying a 2021 Moto Guzzi V7 850 instead for 10 000€ ... less power 64 bhp and only 70 Nm of torque, but plently enought for the streets of Paris. The 650 interceptor, just didn't had the fit and finish that i wanted.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

I agree completely, good choice. The Interceptor is a bit 'cheap', but the T120 is way too expensive for what it offers. Enjoy the V7 :)

Hi ! Valid review. I managed to get my 2019 T120 for 3000 bucks off MRP off.Superficial scratches which you can no longer see. So I was lucky. Yes the speed twin is a nice bike, I agree. As you know the T120 is trying to capture a long lost look and it is also designed for heritage and history. Aka say Janus motorcycles in Indiana USA. I have ordered an 2022 T120 Triumph Bonneville Matt Black/ Silver Graphite trim. Bike is 1000:bucks cheaper here in NZ. Should arrive in late January. Also I shall install Hines shocks at the rear. NZ

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, John. I think if you can get a good deal, then yes it is an excellent bike, but Triumph are pitching it at exactly the same price as the Speed Twin - basically a T120R. I don't get it. Anyway, enjoy yours when it arrives :)

I am a “mature “ rider (age 69) and love the retro/vintage looks of the Bonneville, but the premium price of Triumphs lineup is keeping me on my 2009 T100. I want more power than the 55bhp of my T100 and I like the sound of the newer engines 270 degree crank. Comparing some MSRPs here in the colonies: T120 - $11,850, T100- $10,450, Yamaha MT09 - $9499, Royal Enfield Interceptor 650 $5799. I might be comparing apples to oranges, but that is quite a price difference. Another excellent review Rocketman.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Jeffrey. I agree that Triumphs in general, and the T120 in particular, are very expensive, but think yourself lucky, because here in Portugal the T120 is $15,700!

@chriscarbaugh3936

2 жыл бұрын

Big bore 904 kit?

Good video and you got us all fooled there thinking this was your new bike.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Lyn. I'm hoping for some news on my bike this week. It's been a long wait! :)

I hope you'll get to ride the Z900RS soon. It's one of the most memorable and enjoyable bikes I have ridden in the past 5 years. As beautiful as the Speed Twin, but longer and taller, with a better paint job and truly modern architecture (mono shock and frame) with fully adjustable forks. Even the 4-cylinder engine makes an astonishingly good sound and you can ride it in every rev range, cruise with it or ride it like a sports bike.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

I'm trying to negotiate a ride on the Z900RS at the moment, but my local dealer says they won't have one in for a few weeks.

Thanks for your thoughts. I wonder if the bmw r9t would be a competitor at this price point although I have no idea what the quality is like as so many bikes are built overseas and bmw quality has suffered according to the on line reviews.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Jonathan. I did try the R9T and liked it, but I had a bad experience with my F900XR and so am steering clear of BMW for a while. As you say, quality can be an issue at the moment. Ride safe :)

Spring thickness is not really a measure of spring quality. In fact, given two springs with the same spring rate, I would take the thinner as it would indicate that the thinner lighter spring is of a higher quality metal. That is why your often see lighter, thinner front fork springs at a premium over stock as they are specifically made to be light at the same corresponding spring rate.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, but they still look cheap, imo :(

Love your graceful constructive criticism,,great informative vidio . God bless from L.A.Cali

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Ronald. Ride safe :)

I appreciate your perspective. The updated T120 is much improved, but they didn’t fix everything. The T100 or Street Twin are better value, and some prefer the 900 engine over the 1200. The updated Speed Twin is definitely going to be a winner, but it’s a totally different riding experience and intent. Your mention of Royal Enfield always rings true. The new 650 and upcoming classic 350 are very well done and much better value for money, and I say this as a massive Triumph fan.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, the T100 looks much better value than the T120. I don't get why anyone would choose the latter over the Speed Twin, it's just too expensive. Ride safe :)

@larrynorsworthy8582

2 жыл бұрын

I love my 900

What a tease! The first thing I was thinking was "is this his new bike?".

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

Haha, hopefully the wait will soon be over🤞

@the88lundberg

2 жыл бұрын

@@RocketMan_Moto me too+

Spot on review!

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Pete. Glad you enjoyed it :)

Dude I swear to god. I so, so thought this was it. Guess we'll keep waiting! Not a specially huge fan of the T120, I find the 1200 Scrambler or Speed Twin more interesting and exciting options :D

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

Haha, I agree the Speed Twin would be my choice :)

@davidbealing454

2 жыл бұрын

I originally wanted the Speed twin but found it just felt tiny, I understand it’s the same frame dimensions but the T120 just fitted me better.

@kettelkhan

2 жыл бұрын

I was of the same opinion until i saw them all next to eachlther in person. went with a torquey T100 and no regerts

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

They are all pretty small bikes, but I quite like that, hence the Grom :)

@davidbealing454

2 жыл бұрын

@@speedtwin1610 the pillion was my deciding factor too, traded a Tiger 1200 so didn’t want to look like 2 pigs on a pimple, I have a Harley Street glide for the long haul stuff but need to be comfortable on the shorter weekend trips....just wish the T120 would bleeding arrive 😉

I ear you. For what is offered from a hard cold point of view, is difficult to understand the Price of the T120 in Portugal pairing to other bikes you’ve mentioned. I was targeting to buy the Thruxton. I had a test ride and enjoyed the bike. I was preparing my self to expend nearly €20.000 for a 2022 Ton up edition. When I visited the Triumph dealer and they had a T120 on a big window. The salesman saw me looking at it and asked if I was wiling to try it. I did tested the thruxton and the speed twin first. As I already own a SDGT those bikes didn’t cause a big impression, I might say. But, ok, I took it for a ride. During the test ride I understood that the T120 was the only Triumph I would ever choose from their range. Felt different and calming. Felt really well. After the deal, I made the first 1000 kms very quickly. I was always eager to go out on it. It has arguments of its own and you don’t ride it like you ride the other bikes. It is the most relaxed ride I ever experienced. I don’t feel lack of anything. It is comfortable enough, it is powerful enough. It rides like butter smoothness. And looks so well to your eyes. I thought about getting a lot of other proposals. I thought about the Aprillia 660 RS, which was a fun bike to ride, I thought about the Yamaha XSR900 ABARTH edition, the Kawasaki Ninja 1000 XS and you name it, I thought about those machines. Something that I wasn’t expecting happened. I ended to choose a Triumph T120. It has a lot of work to get there, but it is a fantastic bike already.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

I agree that the T120 is ultra smooth, and less racy than the Speed Twin. Enjoy :)

How do you think this bike would fair for a taller rider? I’m 6’4” with a 34 inch inseam. Thanks

@RocketMan_Moto

Жыл бұрын

It is a small bike, so you need to try it. My Speed Twin now feels smaller than ever after my Transalp, but I don’t mind

And it's 50 lbs (about 23 kg) heavier than the Speed Twin. If I wanted a motorcycle for commuting on the freeway and two up riding, the T120 would be a great choice. I prefer winding two lane (one each direction) highways and lighter seems to be better. I have a T100 which I enjoy but even that one is over 500 lbs. Love the look of it but a Street Twin may have been nicer for me because it weighs less.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

100% agree. The Speed Twin - especially the new model - wins every time in my books because of Triumph's strange pricing policy.

Good honest review.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

You're paying a premium for nostalgia. That's about it

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty much

@cetdac3

Ай бұрын

Yeah but... Seriously worth every penny rather than some of these fireball xl5 lookalike horrors in the road now...including the rocket 3 sorry...that just doesn't do it for me... The bonnie is spot on for most discerning riders 👍

Merci pour la video. Je viens de vendre mon africa twin 2020 dct et songe sérieusement à une t120 bonnie. Malgré que la nt 1100 ma fasse les yeux doux mais certainement pas en dct. Je roule beaucoup en duo, la t120 est-elle confortable pour le passager ?

@RocketMan_Moto

Жыл бұрын

La T120 est plus agréable à deux que ma Speed Twin, mais moins que la NT1100, sensiblement plus spacieuse. La Honda est aussi plus nerveuse que la T120, que j'ai trouvé un peu molle, surtout comparée à la Speed Twin

@philippeheytens9129

Жыл бұрын

@@RocketMan_Moto merci

You know what I'm going to say. Your rear preload was set to minimum, as a fully grown chap bringing up the rear two or three notches would of shortened the trail a little and got you round that roundabout with much less effort. Some bikes are really sensitive to the attitude of the bike, others not, I suspect the T120 is (as is my CB1100). As an experiment with your next Triumph set rear preload to minimum, whiz around for 15 minutes then jack it up to maximum and feel the difference. I know the whole point of preload is not to adjust your trail, that is just a by product of setting your suspension in a reasonable point in its range, e.g. 25% SAG, but I reckon the minimum setting you had on that T120 was far too low for your weight and adversely affecting handling. Great video as usual though.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

I'm looking forward to playing around with the shocks on my new bike. Even if it isn't a Triumph... ;)

@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff

2 жыл бұрын

@@RocketMan_Moto Ha ha ha, you've gone and bought another bike without a test drive haven't you! Z900RS SE here we come................;-)

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

I didn't say it wasn't a Triumph... and the Z900SE isn't here until the spring ;)

@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff

2 жыл бұрын

@@RocketMan_Moto Oh, I must be a little cloth eared today! It'll be great whatever it is, look forward to it.

@markmore5722

2 жыл бұрын

@@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff mom

Have you ever test ridden a ‘Street Scrambler’ if so what do you think?

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

I haven't, principally because I fear those high exhausts would be too much in the heat down here in the Algarve. It was 30°C again this afternoon...

Mayba Speed Twin vs T100 comparison. I think people will be surprised with the improvements on both in the last 5 years

@kettelkhan

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe*

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

It's on the cards :)

Great feedback. Was contemplating the new T120, but I will give it a pass. I tend to agree with your findings, and the bit of arrogance of the northern Portugal dealership salespersons leaves much to be desired. Looking forward to your view o the z900rs though..

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, the T120 is good, but not good enough in today's market. The Z900RS looks as if it could be a winner for Kawasaki :)

@fernandomagalhaes2957

2 жыл бұрын

I have the same opinion about Porto dealership. Not emphatic at all. You are the third person that reminds it to me. I bought a Royal Enfield instead of a Triumph.

I really wanted to love the Triumph twins, especially the 900 Street Scrambler, but just seem too heavy, too underpowered, and too expensive. I am, however, still loving my Tiger 900GT.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

I agree: lovely bikes, but overpriced. The Tiger is much more of an all-rounder. Enjoy👍😊

Nicely done review. Whilst I love my T120 (I never thought I would....no fairing, chain drive.....) am I alone in thinking it's the front suspension that lets it down: too busy and underdamped......

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

It is a bit soft, but I'm sure even a bit of thicker fork oil would help a lot. A cheap, but effective mod :)

@lauriebloggs8391

2 жыл бұрын

@@RocketMan_Moto True enough, it will make it harder, but not sure how that'll effect the lack of damping?

What a great review! Objectively placed comments will inflame Triumph fans. As someone who made the buying decision between the T120, Speed Twin and Z900RS, riding each a few times, I look forward to seeing your review of a Z900RS. Never having owned a four, and loving big twins, I read or watch anything on the three machines (and other Triumph Twins). Forgive me throwing it into the comparison - but you did :-) On performance, the Speed Twin is better compared to the Z, but that torque on the T120 is addictively strong and, different bike that it is, the Z has loads of low smooth torque. Sadly, your comments about standards of finish, and other compromises on the Triumphs are, I feel, spot on. Standing and looking at a T120 it's far more evocative of a beautiful retro than the other two. That said, the other two are clearly retro style and refreshingly modern bikes with the styling many older riders regard as the 'correct' look. However, a more detailed walk around the T120 (and the Speed), good points are countered by 'Hmm!' moments. Stalking around social media groups for the several months whilst I decided, I was more than concerned at what the Triumph owners considered acceptable. "You find a high proportion of people post complaints and problems" some said "that's what's good about social media, but its bound to appear as if any bike is more trouble than it actually is" No, the relative number, nature and type of complaints between any two specific model bike groups soon illustrate differences. Triumph (vs Kawasaki) Comments about paint flaking with corrosion on engine casings, chrome problems, loosening or finish issues on wheel spokes, gearbox faults, moisture in clocks, and more. In contrast the Z900RS owners consistently made far fewer complaints (originally suffering some gearbox problems they were rapidly fixed under recall I believe), a higher appreciation of detail and finish, owner satisfaction for performance, handling (unlike Triumph, Kawa made the decision to compromise the retro look for the benefits of a mono shock) and most other areas. I was amazed at the torque on the T120 - it truly pulls like a steam train. But I found it a little cumbersome on countryside corners, as you mentioned it was on roundabouts. Something on the handling was not as I expected. Two up, the torque masks any extra weight, but the balance of the bike was less pleasant and I noticed it felt more top heavy. On return of the T120, after a brief chat, the dealer threw me the keys of the Speed Twin (which I hadn't asked for). On return, the smile on my face spoke volumes - and that was a ride that turned out to be mainly in pouring rain. I was finding that (as many journalists seemed to be doing, the Z900RS (which I'd ridden already) and Speed Twin were more comparable. I returned to another dealer to test the Z900RS again. It was leaving a more comfortable impression (- still with a similar smile on my face). Then there's the dealer network. Comparing the two brands, and visiting two dealers of each, my rural position put Triumph too distant, and Kawasaki far more easily accessible. That's my own problem - or maybe not a problem at all. However, the attitude of the two brands was more concerning and very different. The Triumph dealers bearing out some of the disinterest I'd read about from owners, where the interested, enthusiasm of the Kawa dealers was starkly different. The more I look, compare and ride, the more the Z impresses - which, yes, I say as objectively as I can, since I chose the Z quite easily and have owned for nearly a year now. As you say, the T120 is an expensive bike for what it is. The Z is not cheap, but it's a near faultless package for the money. I remain an owner who would happily put a Speed Twin alongside my Z900RS, but I can't imagine replacing one for the other. Every time I think about a second bike (not that I can justify or afford one), I end up realising that if I were going out for a certain kind of ride, I would almost always choose the Z. There would need to be a real distinction between the machines. Might the T120 be better? I can't get past the bits that worry me. I do miss a twin but a newcomer to fours (hated them back in the 80s), I wish I'd discovered them earlier. Then the RE 650 keeps popping into my present thoughts, so I was interested to see you introduce that into the discussion. (...Then of course, so delighted am I with the Kawasaki in it's quality and detail, there's the W800!). A friend keeps whispering 'Triumph 865' at me.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

Great points, thanks. I agree that the torque on the T120 is unbelievable, but I think I'd still rather have the Speed Twin for the extra goodies. I'm really looking forward to the Z900RS SE when it's launched in the spring (??)

@davgb7904

2 жыл бұрын

@@RocketMan_Moto I don't think the SE is going to offer anything more - just cosmetics in the yellow ball finish. Go try an RS NOW! :-)

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

I think the SE is getting delicious Swedish gold suspension. Don't need but can't resist... lol :)

@davgb7904

2 жыл бұрын

@@RocketMan_Moto :-) The message amongst the ownership is that just having the standard suspension set up by someone who can set sag and damping, transforms the RS into something even better. The other tweak is a 16T front sprocket and the bike becomes a sublime road eater. But sorry, subverting your Bonneville review here :-) I'll be quiet.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

No, I'm always open to suggestions - I've heard the sprocket swap makes a big difference, and I'm sure you're right re. proper suspension setup :)

I just traded my 2022 Trident 660 for the 2022 T100. Can you do a T100 review. The comfort is unbelievable

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

I haven't tried the T100, but the overall comfort of the similar T120 was obvious compared to the Trident. Enjoy :)

Right about the shocks. If taking a pillion on a regular basis they need upgrading. They seem to have lost the centre stand, but at least you can have one fitted, unlike the Speed Twin. I was chatting to an ol’ boy about his Speed Twin and he said he’s had it it over two years and not taken it over 4 k rpm. What about the T100?

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

Well, I took it over 4000 after only a couple of minutes, although the low-down torque means that it's a pretty pointless exercise, lol. The T100 is more affordable, but it's down on power.

@petewebb6952

2 жыл бұрын

@@RocketMan_Moto - have you actually tried the 2021 T100? Did it feel very underpowered?

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

No, I haven't tried the T100 yet, but it's on the cards.

@petewebb6952

2 жыл бұрын

@@RocketMan_Moto - I’ll be interested in what you think of the new T100. It sounds as if Triumph have upped it quite a bit. It will still have the rear shocks issue though.

@mike9250

9 ай бұрын

On the 2023 model, all the power is between 4500 and 5500. That's not to say there isn't plenty already at the low end of the range but there's so much more in the mid range. Im not even sure why there's a 6th gear.

The stock tyres as you say are shit , changed to avon on my T120 great improvement I have done 20000 miles and find the brakes are ok but the front springs are too soft. and I will change these soon. Overall its a great bike that makes you smile every time you ride

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

The tyres certainly look the part, but I'm not sure what they'd be like in the wet. You're right that the front forks are a bit soft. Maybe some more viscous oil would be simpler than an outright fork swap?

@johnmartin7158

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Greg ! Very valid points. I put Metzeler road techs on mine. Significantly better. A lot of people whinge and moan about its ability in the twisties and other things, but there are a lot of other motorcycles brands and models they can choose from if they are looking for speed, handling and performance. NZ

I can give you a good reason to pick a T120 over a Speed Twin - the former is a bigger bike that fits me much better. I’m cramped sitting on a ST.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 ай бұрын

Different peg position, yes

@MrScallops

2 ай бұрын

@@RocketMan_Moto yes, and a smaller bike length and height wise too which doesn’t work as well with a pillion in my case.

"No two springs are ever the same " And you think you would notice the difference? As an engineer I would say not

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

I think the chassis can feel the difference after a few thousand miles of unwanted flexing :)

Rather shocked at the sheer amount of wheel balance weights on the rim of a new bike with factory chosen tyres.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I thought that, too!

I would choose this to Speed Twin even if T120 would be more expensive, because ST looks like missing link in classic bike to modern racing bike evolution. If you are in a market for classic style bike, speed twin looks like a cat that is ready to take a leak - bottoms up, weight in front. Speed Twin imho is a bike that does not know what it wants to be, all because of shapes. There's probably a market for that and to each it's own, but as far design goes, these are not direct competitors. Some like me do not care for sportier, but that straight seat and classic looks is all that matters. Beauty is in the eye of beholder, as they say.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

I get that, but personally I prefer the resto-mod look of the Speed Twin - horses for course, as you say. Ride safe :)

The only advantage the T120 has over the Speed Twin is standard cruise control but it's not enough.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed

I agree a bit overpriced when compared to the other 1200, Triumph might just load them up with extras to sell them, panniers, engine bars etc and perhaps put the main stand back on that I think it had a standard a year or so ago. Kawasaki W800 although probably more a competitor for the street twin is worth a look.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

It's as if Triumph are selling the T120 and T120R (Speed Twin) for the same price. Odd decision :)

@stephenfleming7056

2 жыл бұрын

@@RocketMan_Moto I'd like a T120 but with alloy wheels, spokes are just time consuming to clean and maintain.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

I agree - spokes look cool, but aren't at all practical

your title could be a bit misleading the t120 has always put out around 79/80 BHPso where do you get its down on power it has not changed maybe it does not produce so much power as a speed twin if it did the speed twin would not be seen as as a sportier model

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

True, but I think when I said down on power, I was comparing it to the identically priced Speed Twin :)

@Richard-pe4cx

2 жыл бұрын

@@RocketMan_Moto just seen your review on your new speed twin i think that is where you are at ,the roads and scenery in Portugal are stunning and no fuel shortages ?

au moins un très bon essai bravo

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

Merci pour vos encouragements, Pierre :)

T100 vs T120 (circa 2021/22). Much closer in comparison than in recent years. At £1700’s less, T100 definitely gives you more bang for your buck!

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

I've heard that

Much prefer the Bonneville to the Speed Twin (which looks a little bland to my eyes). Kawasaki not even on my radar. Came down to choosing between Trident 660 or Bonneville Black; there was Gold Line in my local showroom that I went to look at, it was prepped for sale in the time it took to sort the paperwork so I road it home the same day

@RocketMan_Moto

Жыл бұрын

Sounds great. Enjoy👍😊

Glad that you report back. Bought a V-Strom 1050 recently and the first question I asked my dealer was where the bike in question was located. Lucky me, the desired bike was already in my country, and one week later I had my bike. Regarding your comparison of the Z 900 RS and the T 120, I think thats difficult. The Z is a inline four, all modern chassis with up to date tire dimensions. It is made in japan, and maybe some details for the eye won`t meet your standards, but mechanically the bike is bullet proof. It is a modern bike, looking old. The T 120 is a twin, mimiking a 90 degree V-Twin in an old school chassis with a 18 inch wheels at the front, substandard brakes and twin shocks at the rear. The Z 900 RS engine is smooth, tuned for more torque down in the rev range, and the bike weighs 10 kg less than the T 120. Depending on your preferences this is a difficult head to head for the T 120. But as everybody is different, there is a place even for a on paper subpar bike. For example: I chose a V-Strom over the mighty 1250 GS, the KTM Superadventure S, a MT 9 Tracer GT and a Pan America, because the old Suzuki fits my riding style perfect.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for that, Andi. I agree the engines on the two bikes are quite different. Ride safe :)

I understand that the speed twin is also 20kg lighter - the pricing makes no sense as you say.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Triumph are basically saying you can have a T120 or a T120R for the same price...

The Honda 1100CB EX is the bike to compare the T-120 to.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

True, but I believe Honda have withdrawn it now because it wouldn't get through Euro V, and poor sales figures don't justify the cost of upgrading the engine.

RM , you would have felt like the king of the road after so long on the Grom !! Take care - stay well . Ps: please put us all out of our misery……what is it and when is it coming?

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

Haha, I did! I'm hoping to get some info from the dealer today, but he says that every time I ask...

@marcpacey

2 жыл бұрын

@@RocketMan_Moto let me guess ….. the dealer says , every time you ask it’s an extra $500 !!

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

Something like that🙄

@marcpacey

2 жыл бұрын

@@RocketMan_Moto it’s always the way. Hope that you’re able to do the unveiling soon - very boring here in lockdown central (aka Sydney ) weather is starting to warm up and hopefully soon I can get the GSA out and about!

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

Word is it should be here next week :)

Fox rear shocks do wonders

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

I've heard that, not always easy to source here in Europe, though.

my dream bike still doesn't exist sadly. a kawasaki z900rs with quickshifter and cruise control :-) would be just perfect!

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. I really like the look of the new Z900RS. Unfortunately, none of my local dealers has got one for me to ride or even see in the showroom.

This is not my new bike . You have told what the new bike is ? the new speed twinner ?

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

Stand by for imminent revelations :)

Speed twin much better choice. T120 also nice but the speed looks more modern and more to my liking

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more. The T120 is too 'old', even for me. I love the sleeper style of the Speed Twin :)

To me the Bonneville is the BEST looking Triumph made. I love the peashooter exhaust and it has a proper rear fender. I do not like the Speed twin because the mufferls or silencers are ungly and the rear fender looks stupid. The Trident may be an awesome bike, but it too can't compare to the good looks of the Bonneville. The rear shocks don't bother me bit. The only thing I don't like are the tiube tires, but that's the price you pay to have the spoke wheels. To buy mag wheels for a Bonneville would ruin the good looks.

@RocketMan_Moto

Жыл бұрын

I agree... although I like the Speed Twin even more. A Bonnie with a touch of aggression :)

@genegoodwin8925

Жыл бұрын

@@RocketMan_Moto I guess I'm too old for that.

@RocketMan_Moto

Жыл бұрын

Never too old for a quick thrill😊

Love the Triumph line. But the speed twin would be my choice.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

Hmmm... :)

The Interceptor has terrible posture. The T120 though is spot-on.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

👍😊

The new model loses the centre stand, passenger grab rail and heated grips, plus the new clocks are not an improvement. My T120 Black has those items, plus the old style clocks, so it's not down on components compared to the Speed Twin. Why would anyone choose it? Because it is a great bike, especially for someone who had a Bonnie back in the 70s and 80s. Wire spokes and peashooter pipes? Love it.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

I agree it's a great bike, but it's as if Triumph are giving us a T120R for the same price as the base T120. I don't get it. Enjoy yours, though :)

@tonyburns6707

2 жыл бұрын

@@RocketMan_Moto I don`t get the latest version either, especially with no price difference. They have removed some important bits and not really replaced them with anything else. Over here the T120 is 10% cheaper than the Speed Twin, so it's easier to justify buying the T120, and we still have the old model with the goodies on board.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

OK, 10% cheaper seems to make more sense :)

Thanks for the review. Indeed it's really pricey for such a bike. Not mu style anyways, so not a real threat for my wallet. Cheers, V.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Valerio. Expensive for what it offers :(

#RocketMan ***UPDATE*** Try out the "NEW" 2022 Yamaha XSR 900 ... I think that motorcycle may be the *Best* in its class and though not a direct competitor to the T-120 it is definitley a better choice for over all value IMO (better compared to the Triumph Speed Twin, Kawasaki Z900 ...). Yes the 2022 XSR 900 hits all the boxes and IMO will become the best selling bike in its class for the next couple of years. just saying It is also the lightest in it class, 424 pounds wet ;-)

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

I would give anything to try the XSR 900 and the Kawasaki Z900RS, but none of the dealers down here has any demonstrators. Also, sorry, but the XSR looks weird :)

for almost same price I rather get BMW R9T pure. More HP and Torque and fit and finish way up over this.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

I had a bad experience with BMW, so I'll steer clear for a few years. I agree the R9T does have a fabulous engine, though. Ride safe :)

Other than the Trident all Triumphs are overpriced when compared to similar bikes. Also resale prices here in Canada are terrible.Had to laugh when you mentioned "frame flex" due to the cheap rear shocks. Try riding one of the early Z 1 Kawasaki's, and you will truly understand what that term means.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, Triumphs are too expensive - even more so in Europe :(

I have owned four Triumphs and all had cheap / poor suspension.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

I've owned 4, too, and only my 2017 Street Triple RS had decent Öhlins suspension.

In fact after decades riding bikes I would buy a T120 if Royal Enfield doesn't exist. This Triumph model is expensive an does not offer much more than torque and a good rumble. I discovered two years ago that, even cheaper than an Interceptor and having less power, the Classic with only 27 hp, an excellent torque, and an enchanting soundtrack, is enought for use at the civilized paces you ride and show us at the constrained portuguese main roads as the EN 125. I can't say that T 120 doesn't seduce me, but in this moment are there objective reasons to have more power? ...except for fun at our "private" acceleration ilegal playground or those riding frequently at highways. It's a rhetoric question, a thought only.

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

I get what you're saying. The T120 is a nice bike, but it's far too expensive. Ride safe :)

For my money, the Speed Twin is head and shoulders above that T120. Found the T120 too blingy for me - and hard to turn. Whereas the Speed Twin with the lighter correctly sized wheels corners by telepathy. Oh - and I've given up cleaning spokes!

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

I agree on the turn-in on the T120 and I'm also not a fan of spokes - too much maintenance, as you say. I would definitely take the Speed Twin :)

@whiterabbitt2002

2 жыл бұрын

@@RocketMan_Moto Agree 'bout the hard turn in (at least in the 2019/2020 model). But I was lead to believe that they fixed that with the new 2021 model ? I have yet had the opportunity to test ride the 2021 T-120.

Old duffer 😂😂

@RocketMan_Moto

2 жыл бұрын

I try my best :)