Trick for Determining EDG or EWG

A trick for figuring out if a group is electron-donating or electron-withdrawing (except for halogens), and the chemical basis behind the trick. Discussion of how EDGs and EWGs affect electrophilic aromatic substitution.

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  • @vedaantverma2649
    @vedaantverma26496 жыл бұрын

    Your trick doesn't work for N=O

  • @MolecularMemory

    @MolecularMemory

    6 жыл бұрын

    You're correct, it wouldn't! But, I don't think a nitrosobenzene can actually participate in EAS. Nitrosobenzene is very reactive at the N=O group-it can undergo nucleophilic addition similar to a carbonyl AND the nitrogen lone pair can act as a nucleophile. However, there are (to my best knowledge, thanks for encouraging me to have a fun little literature search today) no reported EAS reactions of nitrosobenzenes. I'm thinking that the Lewis acidic conditions for EAS are not compatible with this group. The N=O group readily dimerizes, and I think a Lewis acid might promote that reaction well before EAS could occur (pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ja00827a021). I did find that someone asked this question in a problem that wound up on the internet (someone answered it on Chegg) but I'm not sure we need to worry too much about this group for EAS. Thanks so much for posting! I really enjoyed thinking about this one :)

  • @vedaantverma2649

    @vedaantverma2649

    6 жыл бұрын

    Molecular Memory sorry but it does participate in EAS! I have examples....thanks for replying!

  • @MolecularMemory

    @MolecularMemory

    6 жыл бұрын

    Oh man-I must have missed it! I was only using Google Scholar because it was Sunday and I don't have SciFinder access off campus. Please post a reference for me! I have to see these conditions. :) Thank you!

  • @MolecularMemory

    @MolecularMemory

    6 жыл бұрын

    Crazy this did not come up in any of my searches yesterday (I was using keyword nitrosobenzene, and this didn't get anything until I dropped the "benzene")! I just found a synthesis of a para-subs nitrosobenzene in "Science of Synthesis." Doesn't seem like an efficient reaction-have you done this in the lab? Thanks for teaching me something!! :)

  • @vedaantverma2649

    @vedaantverma2649

    6 жыл бұрын

    Molecular Memory no I haven't done it in lab but I referred many books for this...!!! Your video really helped thanks alot and I can't teach I'm only 16 😛....just kidding!!

  • @chrisjohnson1196
    @chrisjohnson11965 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much, this makes recognizing different reaction patterns so much easier

  • @badercriss
    @badercriss6 жыл бұрын

    You literally saved my Pharmacy undergraduate studies. Thank you so much. Now medicinal chemistry is x10 easier.

  • @MolecularMemory

    @MolecularMemory

    6 жыл бұрын

    Great to hear! Thank you for watching.

  • @yepyep2558

    @yepyep2558

    3 жыл бұрын

    exactly the same here

  • @kushpatel3861

    @kushpatel3861

    2 жыл бұрын

    DUDE SAME!! What a coincidence that this helped me for my MED CHEM class in my PharmD hahah :)

  • @bhavyachoudhary2321

    @bhavyachoudhary2321

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@kushpatel3861 hi are you doing your PharmD from Indi

  • @kushpatel3861

    @kushpatel3861

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@bhavyachoudhary2321 Nope, in Canada at the University of Alberta

  • @fatts96
    @fatts969 ай бұрын

    the way you made this entire topic easy, im so grateful thank you

  • @cjcjesse
    @cjcjesse6 жыл бұрын

    how can i express my love for you. this was 10x more useful than anything my university lecturer was capable of explaining

  • @rickyl7442
    @rickyl74423 ай бұрын

    This may be one of the best videos I’ve ever watched. I can explain how much difficultly I’ve had trying to work with this

  • @Giridhar_R
    @Giridhar_R5 жыл бұрын

    THANK YOU for making this video. This trick really helped me. I REQUEST you to make more videos with tricks if you are wished to , but i really got benefited by this video.

  • @bristol1946
    @bristol1946 Жыл бұрын

    This is a thing of beauty *chefs kiss* Thank you for your time making these videos!

  • @sydneypenrose9573
    @sydneypenrose95733 жыл бұрын

    This is such a great way to explain EDGs/EWGs. Thank you!!

  • @AbhinavSingh-qk4so
    @AbhinavSingh-qk4so5 жыл бұрын

    There's no words in my heart to expression your help to me with mine confusion clarification. Just I can write THANKS

  • @praveenkhare5112
    @praveenkhare51124 жыл бұрын

    No one had taught me so well until now Thank you so much

  • @MrKaravaj
    @MrKaravaj3 жыл бұрын

    This is the best explanation I´ve ever heard! Thank you

  • @myprettygirl91
    @myprettygirl916 жыл бұрын

    i like how slowly you go. Super helpful!

  • @rd7963
    @rd79634 жыл бұрын

    It was amazing ....I was very confused and now it's all clear... thanks mam ♥️

  • @narsasak
    @narsasak2 жыл бұрын

    This makes my Organic Chem II midterm study SO much easier thank you QQ

  • @asutoshmishra8380
    @asutoshmishra83806 жыл бұрын

    extremely helpful, cleared up this basic concept thank you

  • @zero-one3599
    @zero-one3599 Жыл бұрын

    If I could know you early... Your explanation is much simpler than any doctor... God bless u... thank u so much🥰🥰🥰

  • @kukatlanandithayadav90
    @kukatlanandithayadav906 жыл бұрын

    Thank you soooooo much.. M preparing for medicine entrance it helped me very much to understand the other topics ..love you!! 💓

  • @simonsays5094
    @simonsays50942 жыл бұрын

    This is awesome! my lazy orgo professor keeps teaching half the material we need to actually understand stuff and then starts randomly talking about things she never bothered to explain. EWG and EDG are one of those examples and today she just started throwing those phrases into lecture out of nowhere.

  • @Aox2baseline
    @Aox2baseline4 жыл бұрын

    This was very clear and helpful, thank you

  • @booyah211
    @booyah211 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for this explanation! It finally cleared out my doubts about this topic :D

  • @hannahschannnel9636
    @hannahschannnel96366 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!!! This made so much sense

  • @kenmagee8690
    @kenmagee86906 жыл бұрын

    I have never made a comment on a video before, although I have given thumbs up or down. EAS was kicking my butt and I was so frustrated not being able to figure it out. Thank you so much for this video........

  • @MolecularMemory

    @MolecularMemory

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for leaving me a note! I'm happy to hear my explanation helped you.

  • @iTechProductionsmh1
    @iTechProductionsmh13 жыл бұрын

    THANKKK YOUU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART 🥺❤❤

  • @marlonrezash4752
    @marlonrezash47525 жыл бұрын

    Wow that was a great lesson! And in only 8 minutes!

  • @sahildhindsa8763
    @sahildhindsa8763 Жыл бұрын

    EXCELLENT explanation. God bless you.

  • @axlblazeauthor
    @axlblazeauthor6 жыл бұрын

    the video is seriously a great help

  • @officehubk8882
    @officehubk88824 жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much mam before seeing your video i was. Nothing in chemistry but now i have mastered

  • @kiranpandey6231
    @kiranpandey62314 жыл бұрын

    Thank u very much mam really you cleared my biggest doubt.....😊your videos are really helpful....lots of love from India

  • @abhilashsahu9240
    @abhilashsahu92404 жыл бұрын

    Excellent explanation . Thank you ma'am 👍🏼👍🏼

  • @anushkasaxena5257
    @anushkasaxena52574 жыл бұрын

    Thank You So Much..this really helped me!..keep it up!

  • @Daxdikooo
    @Daxdikooo5 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much, you made my day.

  • @zamanmakan2729
    @zamanmakan27293 жыл бұрын

    Couldn't find a better explanation :), thank you! But briefly, how do you explain the difference between induction and resonance?

  • @archanamujumdar1676
    @archanamujumdar16764 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot for this wonderful explanation.😃

  • @lamiahsalim2233
    @lamiahsalim22333 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot!!! This video literally saved me from memorizing these groups using acronyms....😜

  • @madelainerose5558
    @madelainerose55582 жыл бұрын

    Omg I freaking love you. Thank you so much for this video. I think I am only going to watch English content from now on for studying because these videos are so much more helpful than the German videos that are on KZread 😂

  • @miaricciardi-kling9582
    @miaricciardi-kling95826 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for this video you explain the topic so well.

  • @monaabdelkareem5709
    @monaabdelkareem57094 жыл бұрын

    thank you very much your explanation is amazing

  • @kalkidanberhanu7708
    @kalkidanberhanu77083 жыл бұрын

    Wow this is so clear thanks!

  • @alexlu6920
    @alexlu69205 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for explaining the concept so clearly. However, can I ask about just a halogen bonded to the benzene? It’s electron donating (so ortho para directing) but yet it weakly deactivates the ring.

  • @MolecularMemory

    @MolecularMemory

    5 жыл бұрын

    At the end of the video, it links to a follow up video, which has just the information you're looking for. Thanks for watching!

  • @nourseenajamy7
    @nourseenajamy73 жыл бұрын

    Extremely AMAZING..

  • @user-qo6fp8ej2i
    @user-qo6fp8ej2i6 жыл бұрын

    This is soooooo useful..... Thank u so much!

  • @shanemichael9011

    @shanemichael9011

    5 жыл бұрын

    Been studying orgo chem on spare time (odd as that may sound) for the past couple of years. This video was very helpful providing an easy way to remember the EDG and EWG on Benzene rings. And in this subject, memory recall is very important. Thanks !

  • @NgocMyNguyenThi-bk9it
    @NgocMyNguyenThi-bk9it2 ай бұрын

    extremely helpful, thank you, ma'dam

  • @tasneemmousa4810
    @tasneemmousa48105 жыл бұрын

    Thank you! Perfect video

  • @HJ-wm8qi
    @HJ-wm8qi3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much.. I really have a tough time to memorise those EWG EDG and ortho meta position since I don't understand the concepts...Tqvm

  • @idonthavethink1825
    @idonthavethink1825 Жыл бұрын

    Love you for this

  • @devarajuppuluri501
    @devarajuppuluri5012 жыл бұрын

    U clarify my unique problem

  • @zaheenanwar7947
    @zaheenanwar79475 жыл бұрын

    Best explanation

  • @ryngkatdohtdong1408
    @ryngkatdohtdong14085 жыл бұрын

    Please make a video about +R and -R effect

  • @karunyareddy1458
    @karunyareddy14583 жыл бұрын

    Wow absolutely helpful 👍.

  • @jayeshsonawane1890
    @jayeshsonawane1890 Жыл бұрын

    It's really helped a lot to me thans ❤️

  • @indian4616
    @indian46165 жыл бұрын

    Thank u a lot.. it helped me!

  • @bhadragiri5802
    @bhadragiri58026 жыл бұрын

    U cleared all my doubts....😘😘😘

  • @atenalbert7576
    @atenalbert75766 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much !

  • @rangakumarithota5408
    @rangakumarithota54084 жыл бұрын

    Nice explanation 👌👍 thank u 💐😄

  • @vasumongam4936
    @vasumongam49364 жыл бұрын

    Extremely helpful mam thank u

  • @mousam8719
    @mousam87195 жыл бұрын

    Thanks. ...that was useful. ...😊

  • @gauravsuyal4456
    @gauravsuyal44565 жыл бұрын

    Love from india...

  • @rohitpyngottu6066
    @rohitpyngottu60665 жыл бұрын

    Nice. well done

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    @humezafirdaus82115 жыл бұрын

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  • @rajsanap842
    @rajsanap8423 жыл бұрын

    Thank you💗

  • @Qwerty-qm4yt
    @Qwerty-qm4yt6 жыл бұрын

    Can u tell me the expansion of octet??

  • @garima__sri
    @garima__sri3 жыл бұрын

    Thankyou so much🙏❤️

  • @777osbaldo1
    @777osbaldo13 жыл бұрын

    Nice!

  • @iamDBK
    @iamDBK5 жыл бұрын

    u saved me.....thank u so much

  • @ritubisht2048
    @ritubisht20483 жыл бұрын

    Tnq so much it helpd

  • @nomadgamercao1177
    @nomadgamercao11775 жыл бұрын

    Ma'am methoxy is given as EWG in my textbook.....is there something wrong in my text??

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    @savage-xx8hh3 жыл бұрын

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  • @vamsikrish2
    @vamsikrish24 жыл бұрын

    Please try to make a video based on ELECTRON MIGRATION effects..

  • @BiswajitMondal-ne1cq
    @BiswajitMondal-ne1cq4 жыл бұрын

    first you said that EWG is meta director but in your example (A) that was EWG but you show that is also para director if i say any wrong then please explain me that portion

  • @ilyassalmon9513
    @ilyassalmon95134 жыл бұрын

    thank you

  • @panguluri100
    @panguluri1006 жыл бұрын

    very nice video

  • @slendrmusic
    @slendrmusic2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @atmadeepsen4854
    @atmadeepsen48543 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Molecular memory 🙏

  • @kyunki3796
    @kyunki37963 жыл бұрын

    nice one

  • @gbpunjabi5301
    @gbpunjabi53013 жыл бұрын

    It's perfect

  • @juneddadel9369
    @juneddadel93695 жыл бұрын

    thank u miss

  • @snehad9224
    @snehad92244 жыл бұрын

    Mam wt abt OAc group and Och3 group

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    @akhilareddy96482 жыл бұрын

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  • @Devraj-ny5bc
    @Devraj-ny5bc2 жыл бұрын

    what happen if y is -ve ly charged ?

  • @dhruba6044
    @dhruba60442 жыл бұрын

    Thanks

  • @mbibi
    @mbibi6 жыл бұрын

    Awesome thank

  • @userr_aa
    @userr_aa3 жыл бұрын

    masha-Allah how can this amazing teacher explains this just within 8.09 minutes? omg you're so blessed..thanks a lot!! your video is very helpful. I wish you have a great day! I was like 'thank God, I met her'

  • @Brilliance53

    @Brilliance53

    2 жыл бұрын

    Wow you are a good girl 😜🙂

  • @SarthakKumar
    @SarthakKumar5 жыл бұрын

    Will it work only when we do Electrophilic aromatic substitution?

  • @MolecularMemory

    @MolecularMemory

    5 жыл бұрын

    The directing effects are for EAS. However, this analysis will work to tell you if any group is electron donating or electron withdrawing. Thanks for watching and leaving me a question!

  • @winnielygamer
    @winnielygamer6 жыл бұрын

    Where is the follow-up video about the strengths of EWG and EDGs? :o

  • @MolecularMemory

    @MolecularMemory

    6 жыл бұрын

    I still need to make this one! Thanks for watching!

  • @jeeaspirants2161
    @jeeaspirants21613 жыл бұрын

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    @vedant8002

    3 жыл бұрын

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  • @jatindervirsingh4850
    @jatindervirsingh4850 Жыл бұрын

    nice

  • @vashishtcreations3244
    @vashishtcreations32446 жыл бұрын

    please made video on inductive or mesomeric effect

  • @MolecularMemory

    @MolecularMemory

    6 жыл бұрын

    This is a great idea! I'm looking for ideas of what to do next and I appreciate your comment.

  • @vashishtcreations3244

    @vashishtcreations3244

    6 жыл бұрын

    Molecular Memory ..... thanks dear 😊😊

  • @Diana-xm8ib
    @Diana-xm8ib6 жыл бұрын

    excellet!

  • @abhinavm9685
    @abhinavm96856 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot 😃😃😃

  • @namjoonpark5309
    @namjoonpark53093 жыл бұрын

    Finally!

  • @devadharshini9069
    @devadharshini90694 жыл бұрын

    What about HC=O ? EN of C is less than O but more than H

  • @MolecularMemory

    @MolecularMemory

    4 жыл бұрын

    The oxygen wins here, and aldehydes are EWG. Hydrogen is less electronegative than carbon, but just slightly. Hydrocarbons are considered to be nonpolar, since the electronegativity difference between C and H is not very much. Thanks for a great question!

  • @lavishkumar3595
    @lavishkumar35953 жыл бұрын

    If Y is more electronegative then Z it is electronwithdrawing group and if Z is more electronegative than Y then it is electrondonating group i think this is the right one

  • @zehragulsever8566
    @zehragulsever8566 Жыл бұрын

    Why EWG is ortho-para directing? did we say not EDG are ortho-para directing? EWG should be meta directing.. ı am confused

  • @nish9421
    @nish94219 ай бұрын

    Wow.

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    @spacex9364 жыл бұрын

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  • @vikasdhand2536
    @vikasdhand25366 жыл бұрын

    It dosent work on OH group

  • @MolecularMemory

    @MolecularMemory

    6 жыл бұрын

    OH is a strong ortho/para director. If we apply the trick: oxygen is bound directly to the ring (electronegativity of 3.5 on the Pauling scale) and it's bound to hydrogen (electroneg = 2.1). So oxygen is bound to hydrogen, which is LESS electronegative than itself; this makes the group is electron donating. HOWEVER, oxygen is inductively ("through bonds") electron withdrawing. BUT, when you have an inductive effect and a resonance effect, the resonance will "win" over the inductive effect in general. So, the trick still works with OH, and it is an ortho/para director. Does this make sense? Were you thinking about the inductive effect? Let me know if you have a follow up question!

  • @raht9578
    @raht95785 жыл бұрын

    Wow

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    @hudamh74796 жыл бұрын

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  • @avinashsharma5741
    @avinashsharma57415 жыл бұрын

    Maximun edg in following 1 -coNH2 2 -NHCH2COCH3 3 -NHCOCH3