Here is a side note you may find interesting. Irish actress Maureen O'Hara was born 1920 in Dublin. During her US naturalization ceremony she was required to renounce "allegiances to foreign monarchs". She refused, informing the clerk and the judge presiding over the ceremony that she is Irish and does not owe any allegiance to a monarch, i.e. the British crown. Eventually, the issue made its way to Congress, which voted to change the wording some twenty-five years after Irish independence. O'Hara took a measure of pride in being instrumental in bringing about that change for the rest of her life.

@thunderbird1921

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, if they ever made a film on Grace O'Malley, Maureen O'Hara would have been PERFECT for the role (she actually played a female pirate once and took sword lessons). Who better to play the role of Ireland's Pirate Queen?

@davebrayfb

Жыл бұрын

He keeps calling the Dail (Irish National assembly) a "rebel" parliament. It was not a "rebel" parliament, it was a parliament which had the overwhelming support of the Irish people & vast majority of the Irish viewed it as such, and Irish governments of the present consider the 1s & 2nd Dail as the first legally established governments under Irish law.

@lmonk9517

Жыл бұрын

She was in the wrong though. The Irish free state retained the monarchy until 1937. So it was a legitimate requirement in 1920.

@shelbynamels973

Жыл бұрын

@@lmonk9517 check your dates. she was born in 1920, but the naturalization ceremony I mentioned happened in Jan 1946 Also, if she was in the wrong, one would expect the US government to push back against her position.

@lmonk9517

Жыл бұрын

@@shelbynamels973 Apologies . I did misread .

In my early 20s, I completely understood & empathized with the Anti-Treaty side. Now, close to 50 & with sons who would've had to fight, the Treaty compromises seem rather tiny. Time & parenthood changes us immensely.

Incredible. I find it hard to not be impressed at how factual and not biased this was. As I understand it it is incredibly easy to fall into these pitfalls. Great job.

@jessealexander2695

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@drewdemersyt8153

2 жыл бұрын

@@jessealexander2695 I agree, you are such a fantastic presenter of information. I have a various amount of interests that I inform myself on using youtube, history not even being my favorite, but The Great War is my favorite channel on the platform and I’ve recommended you to anybody I’ve ever talked about pre, during and post WW1 to. Keep it up because you and your team are beyond fantastic!

@kdrgaming3344

2 жыл бұрын

Hense, the disabling of the dislikes for this video.

@Oneeye_snaps

2 жыл бұрын

@@kdrgaming3344 KZread across the board disabled dislikes that is out of the creators control.

@valentinemcdermott

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve rarely come across such a well presented description of this period of Irish history. The Great War team are such professionals.

de Valera ducked his responsibility and hung Collins out to dry. He basically put a bullseye on Collins back rather than making the hard choices himself!

@mEmory______

2 жыл бұрын

In all fairness the fact that the British essentially forced the Irish delegation to sign the treaty without time to consult the Irish parliament, or consider other compromises, raises a serious question of democratic legitimacy.

@poiuyt975

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. First he avoided joining the delegacy and the sulked that he wasn't informed. Some leader he was.

@EdMcF1

2 жыл бұрын

@@mEmory______ Except that the Treaty was approved by the Dáil in January 1922.

@mEmory______

2 жыл бұрын

@@EdMcF1 yeah my point was that it was under the duress of war and, more importantly, the unauthorised signature prevented further, and better, negotiations.

@daithipol

2 жыл бұрын

The norm is that the main man comes in after negotiations, the brits were more experienced in diplomacy and carried a big gun. It is similar now with Brexit except the EU are shredding the inept UK negotiators.

As the first one here and from Ireland I might add I'm so happy to see more videos on the Irish history. Can't wait for more Irish videos 😁🇮🇪

@marchirving7316

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Not Irish but it's fascinating. I love the Irish videos on this channel.

@kevinfitzgerald4561

2 жыл бұрын

I second this proposal 🇮🇪🇮🇪

@jehova5650

2 жыл бұрын

I am Northern Irish and believe that you and I are in touch with our family

@cathanmccann1769

2 жыл бұрын

@@jehova5650 you may be Northern Irish but Northern Ireland dosnt exist

@danielkershner3269

2 жыл бұрын

@@cathanmccann1769 yes it does

The one thing I always liked about this channel since 2014( 1914) is that it gets facts on both sides. However KZreads weird policys has prevented these Awsome guys from getting full facts and stories (including old pictures and videos). But they still try their best to give us facts at the best of their abilities without trying to provoke KZread. So thanks to all the team. -Long time subscriber.

I'm with Collins on this one. So I will pragmatically declare my allegiance to this channel.

As an Irish person. Thanks so much for this. The video was fair and balanced.

"To go for a drink is one thing, to be driven to it is another" Michael collins on the pressure of the talks during the Anglo-Irish Treaty. Thank you to the great war for these excellent and informative videos. Even Irish historians cannot agree on why de Valera didn't go to London leading to much debate and conjecture

@ardshielcomplex8917

2 жыл бұрын

De Valera was an American and thats what saved his life after the 1916 uprising when he was captured. He knew that the Brits wouldnt harm him, unlike his IRB / IRA comrades. When the Treaty happened De Valera knew that "the big fella" Michael Collins would probably get elected as Irelands first President. Thats why he walked out of the Dial (Irish Parliament) and brought on the Civil War. Who sent Michael Collins to London for the Treaty negotiations ? DE VALERA. With that Collins was a dead Man walking. How can anyone doubt that De Valera set him up ?

@Ellemerob

2 жыл бұрын

@@ardshielcomplex8917 But wasn't Michael Collins second choice? Didn't De Valera ask Cathal Brugha to go first but he refused?

@christianfreedom-seeker934

Жыл бұрын

It was strategic. If DeValera went to London "with hat in hand" he likely would not have gotten an audience...or any sympathy!

@stephenwright8824

Жыл бұрын

@@Ellemerob Yeah. It was pretty obvious that DeValera was hedging his bets, knowing from his own talks with Lloyd George the previous summer how far the British were prepared to go. Did you know that in school, DeValera supposedly wrote an essay championing monarchism?

@desmondhull5778

Жыл бұрын

Devalera sent Michael Collins to the London talks to make him the scapegoat simple as.

"It takes more courage to examine the dark corners of your own soul than it does for a soldier to fight on a battlefield" - William Butler Yeats

@kb4903

2 жыл бұрын

Not really though. Not in 1916. Had he ever seen a battle field?

@Wildschwein_Jaeger

2 жыл бұрын

What was he throwing?

@reverendroar

2 жыл бұрын

@@kb4903 Yes he did kinda- more of a bystander than a solider though. Ireland became the battlefield during the Irish Civil War and his garden and fields would regularly a place of skirmish attacks. Both sides would regularly have cups of tea with him in Galway in his derelict tower talking about the weather and fishing.

@indo-europeanrevivalism3199

2 жыл бұрын

@@reverendroar He had never fought on a battlefield. I like Yeats but this quote was just pure arrogance on his end.

@djquinn11

2 жыл бұрын

One of my favorite poets but he was never a soldier.

My great grandfather was in the Irish civil war and the war of indipendnce. He was fond of saying in his later years. "I shot better men than the ones who run the country today" It was only when I grew older I realised how right he was.

@foxyboiiyt3332

2 жыл бұрын

Those who die young are always idolised. It's impossible to say how they would have changed with age and pragmatism.

@mgtowdadYouTubeSucksCoxks

2 жыл бұрын

@@foxyboiiyt3332 always? Hardly. When oppertune? Definitely.

@chiefslinginbeef3641

2 жыл бұрын

So glad I left Europe. Nice to be free to live as I choose now

@HypervoxelRBX

2 жыл бұрын

Depends which side you refer to

@tiernanwearen8096

2 жыл бұрын

@@chiefslinginbeef3641 where are you living now?

History like this really fascinates me. There are so many world events that history classes in school never have time to cover. Videos like these help bring a wider understanding to the world.

A very well researched episode by Jesse and the Great War team. No bias to either side and well respected historians used for source material e.g. Green against Green (Hopinkinson, 1988) which is considered the definitive account of the Irish Civil War.

Best summary of the Anglo irish treaty I have ever seen, and I’ve watched about everything on the troubles on KZread

@peterm17

2 жыл бұрын

The troubles specifically refers to the armed struggle of the Provisional IRA in the 6 counties of Northern Ireland. The Irish War of Independence and Civil War would not be referred to as the Troubles

@stephenwright8824

Жыл бұрын

@@peterm17 Not a few called the War of Independence the Troubles too.

An excellent examination of the Anglo Irish treaty negotiations and their outcome.

This is on You Tube: THE TREATY (a Thames TV/ RTE co production). Well worth watching..

As an Irish person. I have to say that you've done a great job. Well researched and put together.

Thank you so much for this series. There is very little that is widely known about these events and this helps broaden awareness.

One small nitpick. He keeps saying ulster had 6 countries. Ulster had 9 counties. NI has 6 counties.

@simongleaden2864

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, and Ulster still has nine counties. When I drove into County Donegal from the south there was a sign saying something like "Welcome to Ulster".

@raybarry4307

2 жыл бұрын

What's the difference??? Just curious & seriously asking 🤔

@deathgripskaraoke9351

2 жыл бұрын

@@raybarry4307 well the nine counties of ulster are a region of Ireland, and six of them are occupied by Britain and called "Northern Ireland"

@raybarry4307

2 жыл бұрын

@@deathgripskaraoke9351 Yes l get that. But a majority of the people who live there don't see it as an occupation so then is it really. I mean They voted to stay with the UK.

@glenn9683

2 жыл бұрын

@@raybarry4307 correct, we are not occupied at all, the majority are happy to be within the United Kingdom

I pledge a Patreon, to The Great War, and to the edutainment, for which it provides, Real Time History, 100 years ago, with enlightening knowledge for all. And the only KZread History Channel that gets an oath of allegiance from its viewers

"It's my considered opinion that in the fullness of time, history will record the greatness of Collins and it will be recorded at my expense." - Eamon De Valera

Well done on the pronunciation of Cathal Brugha.

@nick-jo3hy

2 жыл бұрын

and yet fell at "Childers"

Funnily enough we've just finished this in leaving cert history, might just show my teacher this video And just after getting through the video, it's incredibly well done and factual, and avoids republican bias like most videos on the topic, while providing a very easy to follow narrative, all together, an amazing video on a very misconstrued and little known topic

@TheGreatWar

2 жыл бұрын

thanks!

@thewiig2170

2 жыл бұрын

Literally in the same scenario

@hyrijemaliqi3314

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGreatWar do albania next day or week

@chanc8r38

2 жыл бұрын

sorry i missed what republican bias you are talking about? i would like to know your thoughts on this

Great video, fun fact: the civil war is not part of curriculum in primary/secondary schools(under 17/18) in Ireland only in 3rd level courses(history etc), I asked my history teacher when in school why it wasn't included and he said it was because it was still too fresh in people's lives, as in one pupils family(grandparents) may have been pro treaty while another's may have been anti treaty, so names/attacks etc might cause issues so it was decided to stop after the war of independence. Note: this was the early 90s so may have changed by now

@MrLorenzovanmatterho

2 жыл бұрын

Because it ruins the Irish Nationalist delusion. If the IRA won then why did they have a civil war over the Treaty? It reveals the central lie of Irish Nationalism.

@stevenconfident5883

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah they thought it when I was there with great emphasis placed on the treaty in fairness they also did quite a bit about the troubles

@jimmyryan5880

2 жыл бұрын

You must be pretty old. I did it in secondary school in the late 90s and I didnt do honours history or anything.

@MrLorenzovanmatterho

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimmyryan5880 Yes but that's the Shamrock Awakening, the era of the Father Ted generation, it show how far the South has come in the last few decades.

@AnCoilean

2 жыл бұрын

It's thought in schools now

Thanks for this. I'm eagerly awaiting the next video on this.

This is an excellent video presentation that clearly and concisely explains the events surrounding the Anglo Irish Treaty.

Erskine Childers, interesting man, worth a episode dedicated to him alone. Check out his novel, "The Riddle of the Sands" considered by some to be the first spy novel.

@seandoyle2983

2 жыл бұрын

His son became President of Ireland.

I am seriously thinking of travelling to Ireland to discover this awesome country after following your catchy episodes about Ireland, this one and the latter ones related to the Irish-British conflict 100 years ago. Cheers to Ireland! Cheers to TGW crew!

@spacemanx9595

2 жыл бұрын

It's worth the trip. Get out of Dublin as fast as possible and go see Galway and the west coast!

@peterm17

2 жыл бұрын

If you ever do come and are interested in learning more about Irish history, Glasnevin cemetery is an excellent place to start. Most of the names you would have heard about in this video are buried there and there are excellent tour guides as well.

@rabihrac

2 жыл бұрын

@@peterm17 Thank you for your tip, Peter g

@rabihrac

2 жыл бұрын

@@spacemanx9595 Thank you for your tip!

Flo&Jesse, This and Glory and Defeat. Impressive works severally, more impressive when I consider the workload of both. My compliments.

Thanks for continuing this series and for covering the topic of Irish independence.

I love your channel keep up the great stuff!!

You got it Boss. Here's my oath of allegiance. Great vid, as always.

@SEAZNDragon

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know about taking an oath. Kinda looking over my shoulder at the World War II channel right now.

Just when Ireland reached peace, it went into war again

Oddy It isn't the first time in irish history this happened back in 1646 during the 11 years war a peace treaty between the Catholic confederacy and the royalist lead to a civil war too

Been looking forward to this info

Imagine being a soldier in the Free State Army, when a year or so before you were in the IRA. You were fighting against the very men who had been your comrades and whose success against the Crown had led to the Treaty in the first place. But events and history take some very strange turns. The same deValera who egged on the IRA in the civil war later turned against them as they threatened his own power. They wanted to replace the Free State with the Republic, just as he did in 1922.

@lmonk9517

Жыл бұрын

Devalera comes across as very slimy. his blood and soil nationalist rhetoric has been a major factor in Irish unrest.

Outstanding and thank you!

One important fact that this account doesn't mention is that the Ulster Unionists had large militias that were armed to the teeth and it was widely feared that trying to force them to join the Free State against their will would result in a bloodbath that would make the civil war within the Free State look like an afternoon tea party.

@MrLorenzovanmatterho

2 жыл бұрын

Essentially nothing had changed since 1914, the equation was the same.

@patriotamerican3426

2 жыл бұрын

If they did manage to win Ulster would’ve risen killed every Catholic and Republican within their borders and invaded the south

@charliehunter794

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah the UVF was basically an army and if the IRA and UVF got at eachother in a civil war it would have been a complete bloodbath

@sylviasmother577

2 жыл бұрын

@@patriotamerican3426Ulster is a Province of 9 Counties. 6 was given to the British! I can tell you the people of the border did put up a brave resistance in May/June 1922 (The Battle of Pettigo n Belleek in counties Donegal and Fermanagh) but got no support from Dublin. Collins who had been elected MP in Armagh (May 1921) distanced himself from it. As was the way of old Irish people like my grandparents. they never spoke (Collins) his name again n the mention of Childers was met with silence too (English spy they whispered). Sadly imo the men who were the real leaders were all killed in the Rising in 1916.

@Len0Grady

2 жыл бұрын

Northern Ireland is akin to the old Kingdom of Acre, an artificial statelet created with a mind to have a British enclave in perpetuity- like Acre, the sponsoring nations eventually flag and demographic forces subsume it back into it’s neighbors.

Fantastic video.

Amazing that 100 years later this is still the period of history which still defines Ireland and that there is currently another treaty that is being negotiated with Ireland as the focal point

@stevendurrant1724

2 жыл бұрын

Hardly anyone in GB, especially England, understands this huge irony. If Irish sovereignty had been respected, Brexit would have been far easier.

@Len0Grady

2 жыл бұрын

Look at America; it’s still grappling with the unfinished business of the Civil War- history is never done with any of us.

"I have been sent to London to do a thing which those who sent me know had to be done but had not the courage to do it themselves." DAMN!!!

Interesting video, I never really knew about the Anglo-Irish War

de Valera was the ultimate politician: willing to take whatever position he thought would draw the most attention to him. The saddest part of the Irish Civil War is that after he surrendered, de Valera became the harshest critic of those who fought against accepting the treaty, in short, of the people he once supposedly led.

@marks_sparks1

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed, as the Protestant IRA volunteer George Plant found out in 1942, if Dev wanted you dead, he'd do it by judicial or extrajudicial means

@MrLorenzovanmatterho

2 жыл бұрын

@@marks_sparks1 Borrowing the British hangman to do so.

@marks_sparks1

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrLorenzovanmatterho Plant was shot, not hung

@reverendroar

2 жыл бұрын

I see him as a Irish Charles De Gaulle- a young innovative revolutionary liberal in his youth, who becomes a rather authoritarian conservative (little c) leader that comes with age.

@reverendroar

2 жыл бұрын

@@marks_sparks1 It's a Irish phrase.. rather ominous actually

I think the Mukden Incident would be an interesting topic with how Puyi would later represent I guess Manchuria. The geo political tension between China and Japan. I feel that the 6 or 7 years until the events of Marco Polo Bridge Incident. Would have a lot to cover with internal and external factors escalating tensions that lead to full scale war is an interesting topic to cover.

There’s a great film called Michael Collins, Liam Neeson playing a blinder.

Excellent video 📹

Robert Erskine Childer's most famous work as an author (the Riddle of the Sands) was a call to arms against the dangers of German ambitions on the world stage.

@johnhanamy9795

2 жыл бұрын

It was. In 1903 Childers was preoccupied with the military threat from the German Empire. Twenty years later he had become an Irish patriot.

@barryb90

2 жыл бұрын

Staunch English Unionist to Hardline Irish Republican in a few years. His switch seemed to come after the Boer War. I reckon he saw the concentration camps which changed him.

@neiloflongbeck5705

2 жыл бұрын

@@barryb90 don't forget that many British soldiers guarding those camps died of starvation and disease along side the detainees. The causes were poor planning on the part of the British and the Boers cutting the supply lines. Either way it would be enough to change anyone's mind.

@MrLorenzovanmatterho

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnhanamy9795 He became a traitor who sold Britain out.

@MrLorenzovanmatterho

2 жыл бұрын

@@barryb90 No, he even served in the navy in WW1. During the Treaty negotiations he even tried to prove to the Admiralty that the Treaty Ports were of no value much to their hilarity. Sir Ormonde Winter recalls him breaking into a hissy fit when interviewing him by reminding him to pick up his medal for his service from Buckingham Palace.

Very well made.

Interesting that the division of Ireland has now lasted a full century

For the algorithm gods!

Nice video

I think you'll find that the *nine* counties of ulster province are actually majority Catholic when put together, however the gerrymandered artificial borders of *Northern Ireland* were specifically drawn to create a majority protestant region

@Who-rx5ky

10 ай бұрын

During the early 1910s, the province of Ulster has a slim protestant majority of around 56% so the first part of your statement is incorrect and the reason why only six counties were included was to increase the percentage if protestants to around 60% which would reduce the power of the Catholic minority. Gerrymandering would be introduced to solidify unionist power in the new state.

Very well explained . The Irish were unfortunate to have had a Spaniard imposed upon them who proceeded to cast a long and ominous shadow over Ireland both culturally and economically throughout the 20th century .Indeed the unanswered question , why did he not go to London himself ?

@carmelmulroy6459

2 жыл бұрын

He didn't think he had to. He thought they would come home with something and then they would all vote on it. Dev had already tried to talk to the British but they got nowhere. By the way I have no time for Dev but he was a very intelligent man.

@christianfreedom-seeker934

Жыл бұрын

Had it not been for him, you would still be in the Commonwealth!

@RenegadeRanga

Жыл бұрын

Self preservation.

@stephenwright8824

Жыл бұрын

@@christianfreedom-seeker934 Him, who? DeValera or Collins?

@jonathanwebster7091

4 ай бұрын

@@christianfreedom-seeker934Eamonn de Valera wasn’t in power (as Taoiseach) when Ireland left the Commonwealth, John Costello was. And de Valera personally favoured a compromise where Ireland would be a republic, but ‘externally associated’ with the Commonwealth (somewhat similar to the situation Ireland had 1936/7-1949). So no, he was not responsible for ‘Ireland leaving the Commonwealth’.

This is so helpful for my revision for my final exams, thanks guys

@jdgormo9686

2 ай бұрын

Treaty didn’t come up your year unfortunately

The book Partition, how and why Ireland was divided by Gibbons explains the negotiations and politics up to 1925 in detail.

Great job very fair and unbiased. One minor note Erskine childers is pronounced err-skin chill-ders

This is an extremely informative video and really important, the topics being covered here are still extremely prevelent in modern Irish society as Civil War politics are still in full swing

De Valera was a real piece of work. History, however, has judged him and not well.

@Rollin_L

Жыл бұрын

In 1966, de Valera, who had long strived to minimize, even erase Michael Collins' place in Irish history, said the following: “It is my considered opinion that in the fullness of time history will record the greatness of Michael Collins and it will be recorded at my expense.” And that expense will never be enough to repay Ireland for the damage de Valera did. Imagine how different things might have been, had not de Valera undermined the treaty and promoted the Civil War. (Not that he did that alone.) I can only imagine how different Ireland's history would have been under Collins' leadership rather than Dev's. Or, had he succeeded in scuttling the Treaty and presided over the brutal crushing of the IRA and Ireland under the full scale war that the Crown would assuredly have executed. What would Dev's legacy be then? As it stands, I can't see Eamon de Valera as anything more than a narcissistic prig who sold out Irish lives in favor of his own jealousy, ego and mania. His actions are those of a man who would rather see his country destroyed than have a man he envied prove more popular and powerful than he, and take his place as the state's leader. Collins kept his life on the line while Dev played celebrity in the country he was born in. Collins always put the Irish people first. De Valera always put himself first.

The treaty absolutely sold out nationalists/catholics in Ulster. And DeVelera shafted Collins

@MrLorenzovanmatterho

2 жыл бұрын

And tragically forced the abandonment of Unionists/Protestants in the Free State who were treated so much worse, being ruled over by those who had murdered their families and considered anti-British racism patriotism.

@marks_sparks1

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrLorenzovanmatterho anti-British racism wouldn't exist if there was no anti-Irish racism coming from the UK. Google the Punch magazine picture of John Redmond leading the pigs into a sty and you'll see there is loyal Protestant Ulster trying to run away. Charming how British treat a people who claim they're as British as Finchley.

@TheM41a

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrLorenzovanmatterho complete utter bullshit, Protestants had it much better down south than catholics did up north.

@shawnfinnegan64

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrLorenzovanmatterho complete lies.

@MrLorenzovanmatterho

2 жыл бұрын

@@shawnfinnegan64 What? Is that all you've got? Come on, what have I said that is untrue? Come on, WHAT? Come on, you know fine rightly it was all a LIE, Irish Nationalism is ALL A LIE! I known you've been raised to be a bigot and a racist hypocrite in the Catholic church's sectarian apartheid education system but you're actually talking to a Unionist now and hearing the other side of the story. Come on, give it up, give up your prejudice, it's the Shamrock Awakening, embrace the truth. Offer reconciliation to your Unionist brothers and sisters, apologise for your disgusting hatred, don't be PW Botha, be FW De Klerk.

I've been wondering, what's better for you guys, watching here or on Nebula? I already pay for the Nebula subscription, so it always feels like I should watch the videos here to add to the numbers.

Brilliant.☘️👍

Where it all went wrong “Having learned from history that all bourgeois movements end in compromise, that the bourgeois revolutionists of today become the conservatives of tomorrow” - James Connolly 1897

Robert Childers surname is pronounced Chill Ders. He was executed during the Civil War. His son was elected President of Ireland in 1973 and Childers Granddaughter served as an MEP as recently as 2019

Where can I find this great channel outside of KZread?

I never knew that the treaty wasn't really approved by Ireland first

Jesse is the best narrator!

@jessealexander2695

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Will there be more monthly videos of this inter-war period or does that conflict w/ the other series?

We were once Childimans With wax colours in our bag My Eldimans had no time for me Just taught me How to colour a flag. How sad it all has to be A poem by P Rosser-Stanford That's me.

This whole idea of ​​nation-states born in the French and American revolution is the main reason for all the wars after that. Everyone dreamed of a similar idea for their country and nationalism has replaced monarchism to this day. It went from wars against religions and kingdoms to wars against nations and their ideologies, which later became known as Nazism and Communism, which was also in part part of the IRA and the socialist group around James Connolly. I don't want to defend Britain, but rather the idea of ​​a UK or EU as a cosmopolitan construct bringing multiple countries and nations together under one rule, rather than that old 'everyone must fight for their own country' mentality. which comforts me more than these stupid conflicts about a flag or own borders. At least our ancestors wandered throught the world until they found a place to settle. They did not care about these questions and problems nowadays. If someone were to send their DNA to a genetics institute, they would see that their DNA shared the information of many origins and not one nation in particular. We are all connected in one way or another. Don't let any ideologues poison your hearth with their nonsense, they want violence because they want you to free thier way for their success and career, but you end up being just a tool for these charismatic psychopaths

Less talked about part of Irish history

@yohaneschristianp

2 жыл бұрын

Cause most people thought Irish = British maybe

@MrLorenzovanmatterho

2 жыл бұрын

Of course, it spoils the myth.

Incidentally, Jesse, the Dominion of Canada became independant in 1931, i.e. ten years later.

It is hart warming to see how the Irish fought for freedom from British Imperialism and won. How voting is going in Northern Ireland it is only a matter of time before the last remains of British Imperialism is kicked out of Ireland.

@Dan_1348

Жыл бұрын

Hopefully not while the majority are still loyal.

@Steven_Healy44

Жыл бұрын

@@Dan_1348 nope ur wrong the majority of people in the North of Ireland are catholic

@Steven_Healy44

Жыл бұрын

@@Dan_1348 For the first time in the history of NI catholics have outnumbered protestants and they have a pro nationalist goverment sinn fein

That clip of men with signs saying Sinn Fein helped Germany where did u find it?

Love your videos but they need more maps.

Everyone gets Irish pronunciation wrong, Jesse gets it all right!

@foxyboiiyt3332

2 жыл бұрын

He did extremely well, obviously does his research. Kinda got Childers wrong but a very small thing

My grandfather fought on the Collins side.

Excellent, thank you. Just one tiny quibble - Erskine was chilled(ers) not a child(ers) in pronounciation.

@jessealexander2695

2 жыл бұрын

Ach - thanks for that.

@seanmccann8368

2 жыл бұрын

@@jessealexander2695 You're welcome; he had served in British Naval intelligence during WW1 and before that had used his yacht Asgard to run German rifles into Ireland to arm the Irish Volunteers. Previous to that he had written a spy novel -"The Riddle of the Sands" about a fictitious German plan to invade Britain across the North sea and he would be executed by the Irish Free State during the Civil War for possession of a pistol he had been presented by Michael Collins. His son, Erskine Hamilton Childers, served as 4th President of Ireland, dying in office in 1974.

@johnmullen7775

2 жыл бұрын

Got Cathal Brugha just about right, though.

@jessealexander2695

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnmullen7775 Always happens, I try to do not bad on the hard ones and it's the easy ones that get me.

@seanmccann8368

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnmullen7775 Sure did.

You left out, if the Irish Free State Army did not take back the four Courts (main high Court of Ireland) back from the IRA, the British Army who were still in the Phoenix Park with a sizeable force would have acted. Not all of the British Army left. Most of the "British army" in Ireland were actual Irish men which were transferred to the Irish Free state army or the left once WW1 ended. They forced Michael Collins hands, because Michael Collins were running guns to the North via the Four Courts under the British noses. It was the real reason why the IRA took over the Four Courts. There was a ready stash of arms there. That was the start of the Irish Civil war. Collins was trying to buy time with the North actions, but the Civil war became very bitter on both sides as it became very personal.

Slippery character, auld Dev.

'the freedom to achieve freedom' - i like that

Fantastic video and show how it was at the time. I am looking for some help I have heard that in the Irish brigades in WW1 that after the Easter rising. Many refused to fight and every second man was shot and I was wondering is there any facts to this story?

@barryb90

2 жыл бұрын

Nope. The Connaught Rangers mutinied in India in 1920 over the British Armys atrocities in Ireland, which is what you're probably confused about.

@MrLorenzovanmatterho

2 жыл бұрын

@@barryb90 Only 70 out of tens of thousands who'd fought and died for Britain, including helping defeat the Easter Risers. The Indian mutiny was actually a much wider affair over conditions, some non Irish soldiers also taking part.

@falloutboy1165

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for clearing that up for me 😊

Interesting that as one war ended, another one began

You should've pinned an oath as a comment here, so people could give a thumbs up or comment under it.

Still has a big effect today, the split between fine gael and Fianna Fáil can be traced back to this

@cobbler9113

2 жыл бұрын

You’d think they’d have moved on a merged by now given the only major difference I can see from an outside perspective is that Fine Gael don’t despise us Brits quite as much as Fianna Fáil (politically speaking anyway).

@steffenbakken4531

2 жыл бұрын

@@cobbler9113 I expect they will in the near future, especially if Sinn Féin continues to do as well as it currently is

@Prodrentjet

2 жыл бұрын

@@cobbler9113 probably right as Fine Gael wanted to hold a ceremony in respect to the RUC

@mrgreen405

2 жыл бұрын

There both pro British

@cobbler9113

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrgreen405 There are no pro-British parties in the ROI.

Don't add mid roll ads if you're sponsored by patreon members and claim independence from YT

Is the original series The Great War now over?

So is this the end of TGW?

This series of videos by The Great War gives an excellent overview of the Irish rebellion against British rule from Easter 1916 to 1921 and I look forward to future videos about the history of Ireland in the 1920s (and beyond?). However, I think the video on Ireland in early 1918 was substandard; perhaps the Great War Team could revise it.

Looks like Irelands troubles were far from over after this treaty came about.

Could you please do the Garza revolution or the 2nd Samoan civil war

@extrahistory8956

2 жыл бұрын

A video on the 2nd Samoan Civil War or the Honduran Civil War would be great. The Great War could even lump them together as part of a roundup video of obscure interwar/prewar conflicts.

The english police uniform hasn't changed much! Great video 👍

do a story on gavrilo Principe or maybe Aaron lopez

I acknowledge the history of Ireland....

This was a balanced video; not the anti-English rubbish I was expecting. Great work.

@APalebloodSky

2 жыл бұрын

They generally do a great job focusing on the events. Seriously, one of the best history channels on KZread.

@jimcarlson6157

2 жыл бұрын

vile behavior the world over can't be overlooked, stu

@stuartjohnston926

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimcarlson6157 what behaviour are you referring to? Anything in particular, I believe there was terrible incidents on both sides.

de Valera to Michael Collins reminds me of the Arab character in "Indiana Jones." "Snakes, very dangerous, you go first."

@EdMcF1

2 жыл бұрын

Collins had the snake behind him.

Can you make a video on indo pak war's 😄

Dev stitched up Collins for sure.

This video is superb, Irish history is as far as I can tell often unfairly overlooked and because of it, there are those who claim to be "experts," in this field and try to make one side of the debate holier than thou. The truth is that Irish History is littered with people doing terrible things, whether it's the British doing nothing to help Ireland during the potato famine (including erecting a very offensive memorial that claims "(...) Britania gave her bounty with her tears and bear this record, though in phrases crude, of England's love and Ireland's gratitude,"), Oliver Cromwell slaughtering the local population of Ireland in the 1640's, the IRA attacking a Remembrance Sunday mass in Northern Ireland, the Easter Rising, the 3 Bloody Sundays in Irish History (Dublin in 1920, Belfast in 1921 and Derry/Londonderry in 1972) and so many others, since I visited Belfast in 2015, I have learned to be neutral in the debate about Irish history

Excellent treatment of a complex and emotionally charged subject. Only (very minor) niggle, it should be emphasised that Ireland at this time was part of the UK, just as Scotland is, and Northern Ireland remains...it colours the interpretation and understanding of the entire history. DeValera led a "pretend" government. Sinn Féin won most of the Parliamentary seats in Ireland, but unlike the SNP in the 21st century did not assume their places in the Commons, since that meant swearing the oath of allegiance to the Monarch. That remains the case in 2022, with Sinn Féin having won several seats up to and including the 2019 elections, but never entering the Chamber. I've read several histories of the period, including the biographies of DeValera and Collins by Tim Pat Coogan, but I've yet to see how the "Irish Government" of pre Treaty days could function with no executive power, no police force and no money

@morgant.dulaman8733

2 жыл бұрын

I would say that was addressed several episodes ago, where they mentioned that where the IRA drove Auxiliaries out, they set up areas of local governance: running trials, patrolling, etc. Pre-treaty, they likely relied on IRA fighters to serve as enforcers as well as soldiers, similar to how a lot of paramilitary groups tend to do when they take over a region.

What about the forgery signature