I hate these things because it's always basically "Trans People Please Explain To Those Who Hate You Why You Should Be Allowed to Exist". That's not "opening a dialogue" and it shouldn't be on the shoulders of trans people to have to put on a circus performance in order to prove our humanity to others.

@CharlieOsoo

11 ай бұрын

I saw another comment from you that quotes “my existence isn’t up for debate” and I could have never put it into better words Thank you

@lady_draguliana784

11 ай бұрын

People are so keen to dunk on 'Barbie' for being progressive ("woke"), but having to Justify your entire existence to every rando that doesn't like you because the don't understand you; or are just so self centered that they only care how your existence relates to *them* as the MC; really smacks of Oppenheimer's trials to me...

@mole6140

11 ай бұрын

well said this is exactly what I was thinking

@depressedgwyndolin

11 ай бұрын

​@@lady_draguliana784wot

@xbleaksquidx

11 ай бұрын

@stopgbt wow you're so desperate for attention.

The idea that bigoted viewpoints will be treated as resonable arguments is already problematic. Remember, neutrality always favours the oppressor, never the victim.

@thetribunaloftheimaginatio5247

11 ай бұрын

The bigot doesn't even CARE whether or not their arguments are reasonable. All that matters is "The Person I Hate Question," the kind of questions that only have, shall we say, FINAL solutions.

@rbarber

11 ай бұрын

In general I agree with you but I'm so split in this particular case because there's so much misinformation, I kind of want to let them say all their arguments to give me the chance to correct them and open their minds.

@dranoel5743

11 ай бұрын

@@rbarber I agree that we should try to understand our opponents and try to change their viewpoints, but equally we shouldn't give them a platform to spread their hateful views.

@tjenadonn6158

11 ай бұрын

@@rbarber Trans people have science on our side. Every relevant and reputable scientific and medical organization from the World Health Organization on down is in agreement that trans identities are real and valid, that trans people have been part of humanity across the world and across time going back to when humans first became identifiable as humans, and that the most effective evidence based treatment for gender dysphoria is social, medical, and surgical gender transition. The bigots have "SKY WIZARD BOOK AND SHOUTY TV MAN SAY GROOMER TRANS KIDS SEND KID HELL WOKE MAGA MAGA HAIL TRUMP!" The two sides aren't the same, and we are under no obligation to entertain both sides than NASA is obligated to listen to flat earthers. As with all things you can either agree with the science or you can be wrong, and no amount of screaming or references to the Sky Wizard Book will change the science.

@xbleaksquidx

11 ай бұрын

@@dranoel5743 Right and the thing is too that there never seems to be any thought about trans people put in these scenarios being harmed or the trans people watching these being harmed when they're already dealing with seeing anti trans rhetoric 24/7

All bathrooms should have doors that ACTUALLY close instead of stalls. This is why I love “gender-neutral” bathrooms. I don’t care if you’re trans or cis I just don’t want my farts to echo through the whole bathroom for everyone to hear.

@galii

10 ай бұрын

LMAO nah but usually bathrooms like that don't exist much because people do drugs in them and stalls need to be the way they are so people can see if someone overdosed or something happened in there

@ninfreak1978

10 ай бұрын

At least give stalls w/o gaps.

@susanleslie6178

10 ай бұрын

@@galii Other countries fix the emergency situation issue by having access at the top only. 🤷

@galii

10 ай бұрын

@@susanleslie6178 maybe, but I feel like people can still do drugs in them and stuff there can be emergencies. There's no space at the bottom to see someone passed out, or someone doing weird things.

@susanleslie6178

10 ай бұрын

@@galii Who cares if they're doing drugs? Who's looking so closely under the stalls that they could tell if someone's in trouble?

Oh man, as a scientist, I wish to one day meet the woman who kept on talking about science, sit her down, and have a long conversation about how science is self-correcting because I HATE it when people say "Oh but science" and just completely spit out absolute non-sense. It is not only hurting the community they are trying to attack, but also the science community they are abusing for their hatred.

@animeartist888

10 ай бұрын

Fellow scientist here. Kept cringing and grinding my teeth any time they tried to use their "science" as an argument. I would've really loved to see someone bring up intersex conditions and intersex people during the horrendous chromosomes excuses.

@mignonhagemeijer3726

10 ай бұрын

I'm in the field of Science and technology studies. It's such pervasive and persisting assumption that scientists are somehow untoughed by social and cultural aspects. Well turns pit there many decisions made that are influenced culture and biases creep into research. Just assuming what Gender is and depending the different categories is just one of them

@chineduj-o6291

10 ай бұрын

I have never thought about this, but you're right. Transphobes are also hurting the scientific community. Thanks for still supporting people with scientific facts.

@natebenham9603

10 ай бұрын

Gravity is technically still a theory, facts change all the time. Spitting out lines from a textbook published in the eighties doesn't mean shit

@laurenedge6392

9 ай бұрын

Exactly. The while "alpha wolf" thing is a great example. A guy studied CAPTIVE wolves and found that they have a sort of alpha male and female heirarchy thing going on. Then he studied wild wolves and realised his studies were completely wrong when applied to wild wolves. Their packs are simply just a mother and father leading their offspring and teaching them how to survive for when they are old enough to leave and have pups of their own. The poor guy spent so long trying to disprove his own original paper. Thought I'd share this example because it's simple to understand and can be applied to so many areas of scientific research. The things we thought we knew are always being proved wrong.

The "Girls aren't allowed to be tomboys anymore!" argument always pisses me off because, if anything, trans people are much more accepting of GNC people than the average cis person.

@rosiefay7283

11 ай бұрын

And it isn't even a reflection of anyone's experience --- nobody has both objected to girls being tomboys and shown tolerance to trans people.

@luisgutierrez8047

11 ай бұрын

Ye but the POINT is that they can't be tomboys without normies questioning them

@tjenadonn6158

11 ай бұрын

@@luisgutierrez8047 Conservatives aren't normal human beings. They aren't even human beings.

@tjenadonn6158

11 ай бұрын

Hell, I'm a trans tomboy for fuck's sake. I feel far more comfortable expressing the more masc elements of my personality as a woman than I ever did as a man, and that's largely because transitioning has helped me feel happier and more at home in my body in general.

@mushroom-king

11 ай бұрын

Honestly this^^ Trans people are more accepting then cis over GNC people. I have a GNC friend and their parents who are cis don't agree with it and force them to dress as their AGAB

It should NOT have been “traditional vs trans.” It should have been either “cisgender vs transgender” or if you *must* platform bigots, “traditional vs pro-trans.” The way they did this is specifically setting up trans people to face transphobia and I find that extremely problematic. This way it’s like they’re treating being trans as an ideology, which it very much is not.

@rosiefay7283

11 ай бұрын

A problem I see is wondering how to pitch such programmes to bigots in such a way as to persuade any of them to agree to appear. I'd expect them to think "I'm only agreeing to go on if I get to voice my views on equal terms with theirs". But the most beneficial balance, I feel, is if any bigots are restricted to asking questions --- or at any rate if they make any statements, they don't make any bigoted ones. But who'd agree to appear on such terms?

@tjenadonn6158

11 ай бұрын

@@rosiefay7283 What's the benefit to society of platforming bigotry at all? What is the reason for this sort of programing to exist if not to allow bigots a platform to spread their bile? And if that's the only purpose such programming has why should we keep it around at all?

@claramarie7923

11 ай бұрын

I wonder if maybe they didn’t use cisgender because they didn’t want to imply that all cisgender people are anti-trans? Even then, a better title would be cisgender assholes/ transphobes vs. trans people.

@TheEnmineer

11 ай бұрын

​@@Free_NotionsFirstly, there is a lot of settled science proving the existence of both cisgender and transgender individuals, this has been settled Psychological fact since the 1920s atleast, but had to be re-proved due to the purging of records relating to the subject in the 1940s. Secondly, there's no need to put quotes around transphobic, it's a well established word to describe people with an aversion to transgender people. and Finally, their views were that a minority group aren't valid and should be treated worse than the general population. This is like saying that "Disabled people aren't valid, they should use the stairs like the rest of us and shouldn't be given 'special privilieges' over others"

@hlulanibaloyi4186

11 ай бұрын

They would be triggered

"I believe in only two genders because of chromosomes" Honey, I have some news for you!

@pietjewaanman3506

11 ай бұрын

I am curious. What is the news?

@Scarygothgirl

11 ай бұрын

Humans come with a variety of combinations of sex chromosomes, not just XX and XY. Other combinations include X, XXY, XYY, XXX and others. It's possible to have XY chromosomes but not develop a penis in the womb (for example CAH, congenital adrenal hypoplasia) meaning the individual would be assigned female at birth and may not know they have XY chromosomes. It is very rare for a person to know what chromosomes they have unless they have had their DNA sequenced.

@concretemathematics414

10 ай бұрын

Right. I'm over here like "I'm XXY so which binary gender am i?"

@pietjewaanman3506

10 ай бұрын

@@concretemathematics414 what are your internal and external sex organs? Also chromosomes have nothing to do with gender.

@Scarygothgirl

10 ай бұрын

@@pietjewaanman3506 Dear random person on the internet, nobody's genitals are your business.

The three trans people were WAY too nice to the "traditionalists". Omg, that conversation made me really uncomfortable.

@tjenadonn6158

11 ай бұрын

If I was in that room someone would be leaving it with fewer teeth than they had when they entered.

@SuperJJParker

11 ай бұрын

Being "WAY too nice" is the best way to be on these debates. Any form of aggression will do nothing but harm your cause. You two probably do more harm than good to the LGBTQ community.

@JonCage9

11 ай бұрын

​@@tjenadonn6158lmao facts

@double-a-batteries3338

10 ай бұрын

Yeah I legitimately cringed every time they said “science says that your chromosomes…”

@phoenixvance6642

10 ай бұрын

It has to be an exhausting and dehumanizing disadvantage to try to rationally debate your own existence against an opponent. Shame trans people have to put up with it, though it says a lot about their strength. I wish I saw an educated and empathetic cis ally debating among them, just so a perspective less personally attached to the debate was on their side.

My son is 5. He shows no signs of feeling transgender. I follow a trans woman on Instagram and my son has seen her videos. He asked me if she was a boy or girl and I explained people being transgender to him. It didn't confuse him at all. People need to tell children about people that are different in a factual and compassionate way. ❤

@Capybarrrraaaa

11 ай бұрын

Turns out, 'be what you're comfortable being' is a more simple idea than an encompassing, wild and arbitrary system of forced stereotypes that arose from biases and anecdotes. Who'da guessed... well.. not Conservatives, apparently. I think the whole 'confusion' angle is a red-herring, honestly; they want water-soluble answers that can be spoon-fed to them. Children are eagre and inquisitive, where decades of authoritarian indoctrination tends people to static and defensive thinking.

@monicadaniels784

11 ай бұрын

Thank you, yes!

@renatatostada3318

11 ай бұрын

I have a vivid memory from when I was quite young--I don't know my age at the time, but suffice it to say my memory is terrible, so probably around 8-10 years old. This memory involves me being out to dinner with family and asking my mom why "that man was wearing a dress?" She simply explained to me that some men wear dresses. I tucked that knowledge away (as a young child who knows nothing about the world yet does) and continued wondering when we would go home so I could play more Pokemon. It's not quite the same as explaining what it means to be trans, but it was also the 90s so I give her all the credit in the world for being so nonchalant about it--not to mention we generally don't know how people identify, even if they present strongly as one gender or another. And I most certainly was not confused.

@claramarie7923

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, my parents told me people/ kids could be trans when I was like seven (in the context of the Girl Scouts accepting a trans girl as a member), and I thought “Interesting. Definitely not me though,” and went back to thinking about fairies or whatever I was doing. I was not confused, nor did it make me trans.

@kevino4372

11 ай бұрын

Opposite of that. Just tell your kid that if you're born a boy you're a boy.

"Tomboys are told that maybe they should question their gender." How is that a bad thing exactly? I'm a cis woman but I've questioned my gender. Questioning does not mean you will be trans or non-binary and the only way you'll know is by asking the question.

@teddyjlockwood

11 ай бұрын

My sister is cis and has questioned her gender, and she told me "I think everyone should question their gender, just to make sure that they're happy where they are"

@DemiSuaton

11 ай бұрын

@@teddyjlockwoodexactly. When I was questioning myself, mostly my gender I thought everyone did that. I thought it was normal and I thought it was completely fine and understandable. But when I saw other people talk about it they said I was disgusting or wrong, I was so confused and sad. But that’s just the world I guess.

@Casocki

11 ай бұрын

I thought I was one gender, questioned, and came out the other side as that same gender, but this time With Feeling

@dice412

11 ай бұрын

I’m cis and have questioned my gender.. it only made me more cis

@IsaacMyers1

11 ай бұрын

It’s like they don’t understand that we are actually asking all kids, tomboy, femboy, neutral, girly girl, and manly man to question their gender. We also except that lots of times we’ll quickly get back that there is nothing for them to question, or that they’ll tell us that they are gender nonconforming, but still that gender.

Love how trans-phobes always come back to the chromosomes thing when scientists have quite literally proven at least five different chromosome combinations in people.

@chris135x

10 ай бұрын

There's only XX and XY. Anything else is stupid liberal nonsense. Imagine claiming to like science but blatantly dismissing biology.

@user-mv5zt8qd9l

10 ай бұрын

@@chris135x Imagine pretending to defend science while actively denying verified scientific findings

@user-yy5di3qg5u

10 ай бұрын

@@chris135x What about XXY, XYY, XXX? You can just google it for themself if you dont' believe me (and don't say that this isn't claimed by scientific communtiy)?

@WeBareTheBears

10 ай бұрын

Chromosomes are not sexes. The SRY gene and A.R located on the Y chromosome will still determine your sex. For example, 47 XXY (Klinefelter's), 47 XYY (Supermale/Jacob's), 48 XXYY, 48 XXXY, & 49 XXXXY all result in males because the Y chromosome contains the SRY gene and A.R. The reason these people look unordinary is because they have duplicated chromosomes. Which can result in developmental delays, intellectual disabilities, speech and language difficulties, motor coordination problems, and behavioral issues. Some individuals may have distinct facial features and physical abnormalities. It's important to note that the severity of symptoms can vary widely among affected individuals. But their sex determining genes still result in male. De La Chapelle Syndrome is one rare exception however. This is when a person born male has two X chromosomes, instead of the typical XY. This occurs when the SRY gene and A.R translocate onto the X chromosome. Resulting in a female chromosomal pattern. That's not supposed to be there. But they will still develop as male despite having ambiguous characteristics from the X chromosome.

@susanleslie6178

10 ай бұрын

​@@WeBareTheBears What of those with male DNA but female secondary sex characteristics? Men or women?

13:54 “HAVE YOU SEEN THEIR CHROMOSOMES?!?” Very good point, also makes you think that if someone doesn’t explicitly say they are trans, these homophobic people would be fine using their preferred pronouns.

Trans IS traditional - we have always been here

@LiminalDoll

11 ай бұрын

This comment right here^.

@ragnkja

11 ай бұрын

Even _medical_ transition is significantly older than many current traditions, never mind social transition.

@eliotrix2955

11 ай бұрын

Don't feed the trolls, lovely people :)

@luisgutierrez8047

11 ай бұрын

No the tradition has been for trans people to repress themselves. Statistically insignificant outliers are not tradition...

@sharimeline3077

11 ай бұрын

@@luisgutierrez8047 Maybe, but that doesn't mean trans people didn't exist. For as long as we have extant historic documents, world wide, there have been trans people. What's not traditional about something that's been around that long?

Trans and "traditional"? They lost me right there. Obvious bias and not even attempting to hide it.

@havocsTeacher

11 ай бұрын

I know right?? Their videos are always so obviously biased from the titles alone.

@tjenadonn6158

11 ай бұрын

As I said in another comment they seem to have a rather narrow definition of what traditional is: you'll notice that none of the people on the "traditional" side are nude as is traditional for the Digambara order of monks within Jainism, which far predates even the earliest forms of Christianity. I hear none of them citing texts like the Tao Te Ching or the Confucian Analects, both of which are far older than the Bible.

@TransKidsMafia

11 ай бұрын

I joined a violent woke gang. The Trans Kid Disciples. If you’re fed up with the cis-tem join us.

@wiselioness322

11 ай бұрын

I’m waiting for Holocaust Deniers vs. Holocaust Survivors.

@pemanilnoob

11 ай бұрын

I haven’t felt like the channel is biased towards bigotry at all. I remember all the videos being very neutral

re: bathroom discourse Story time! I was in a public bathroom (women's), and just as I was coming out of the stall and going to the sinks I noticed in the mirror that one of the stalls had its door open, and inside was a man, with his back to me, clearly doing his business. I panicked for a fraction of a second, then reasoned with myself that nothing bad was going to happen, and went on to wash my hands. He then turned around, noticed me, was apparently just as surprised as I had been, muttered something along the lines of, "oh, this is _women's_?", and left. That's how easy it is for a cis man to get into a women-only space, especially if there's no one outside paying attention. If they want to do it, they will. Leave trans women alone!

@sarahr8311

11 ай бұрын

And he did nothing wrong! He did his business and left, the same as anyone else. Other than a few awkward moments and possibly terminal embarrassment on his part, it wasn't even a big deal.

@rolfs2165

11 ай бұрын

@@animationeditz5570 Or maybe, MAYBE we could just do away with gendered bathrooms. And "quirky" signage indicating which one's which.

@ianissimo

10 ай бұрын

No no, cis men are blocked at the door by the sign with the stick figure in a dress, and the only way they can get through is to don a dress and pretend to be female. It's powerful magic that keeps pants from the women's room.

@kevino4372

10 ай бұрын

But he's in the wrong one if it was the woman's one.

@ianissimo

10 ай бұрын

@@kevino4372 Was that really the point of the anecdote though?

Jammie pointed out something that we as transgender people are always experimenting: if we speak our mind on something that is transphobe, we are accused of being too much - so some of us (me included) are always trying to be nice and understanding, although we are dead inside from what we've just heard. Please, cispeople, we are doing all sort of efforts. Don't hurt us effortlessly just because you don't feel like we are.

@okasanolastname

11 ай бұрын

​@@pietjewaanman3506 aint nobody ask you

@susanleslie6178

11 ай бұрын

​@@pietjewaanman3506 Your belief is rubbish.

@pietjewaanman3506

11 ай бұрын

@@susanleslie6178 can you elaborate?

@susanleslie6178

11 ай бұрын

@@pietjewaanman3506 People are born trans. You can't influence cis people into becoming trans people.

@gristen

10 ай бұрын

​@@pietjewaanman3506 you cant get mad at people for merely existing. thats how we got nazis

I'd argue that the LGBTQ+ crowd would be MORE accepting of "tomboys" and other children that don't fit typical gender stereotypes than cishet parents would. Like... the whole point is that gender stereotypes are reductive and shouldn't be forced on kids. Let them be who they want to be and like what they want to like. That won't make them trans and no one is forcing being trans on their kids.

@starparodier91

11 ай бұрын

I was considered a “tomboy” growing up and my parents were always encouraging of whatever I liked. Sure, I figured out that the stuff I liked was considered to be for boys, but my parents told me to just be myself. My mom is a 1st grade teacher and she can only do so much since it’s a Catholic school, but she’s always trying to let kids know there aren’t actually boy or girl things. She says it’s been getting better from what she can see and it’s not as normal for kids to care if you’re a boy and your favorite color is pink.

@ShinyTillDawn

11 ай бұрын

The patriarchy was a mistake. Change my mind.

@roni9192

11 ай бұрын

​@@Free_Notions it literaly doesn't

@sovietdoge.7369

11 ай бұрын

​@@Free_NotionsNo

@juniorqindes8335

11 ай бұрын

@@Free_Notionssorry I know this hardly matters but it’s gender ideology. These people will try to argue semantics all day if you say the wrong thing.

It's cis vs trans. What the hell is traditional gender?

@ArtsyKnox25

11 ай бұрын

I guess being cis?? But trans people have existed for thousands of years so it's not really traditional to be "cis" because they were both around the same timeframes.

@Julie-ko2pg

11 ай бұрын

MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY

@PGOuma

11 ай бұрын

Ikr 😭

@yourhomophobicuncle

11 ай бұрын

Hi, my gender is traditional. I use traditional/traditionalself

@hremlynnthegremlin

11 ай бұрын

​@@KateWick1997ummm... queer people have existed since forever??

Jamie: "I'm so mean and jaded" *precedes to apologise profusely for having a compassionate and uncontroversial opinion* I love you Jamie you're such a wholesome bean there isn't a malicious bone in your body

What the trans man said really really spoke to me about acceptance vs support. I really feel like my mom 'accepts me' because she is obligated to love me, but doesn't support me in my decisions. She doesn't alienate me, but that's the bare minimum.

@jackjames7283

11 ай бұрын

She has a right to those feelings

@vintereventyr_

11 ай бұрын

@@jackjames7283While she has a right to those feelings, but then she shouldn’t have become a parent. When you choose to get a kid, that kids happiness is more important than your Own, and you should do everything in your power to understand, and support Who they are. Nor just because you are their parent, but because your child is a Living person that YOU chose to bring into the world. You Can not just love them because You’re their parent, you love them because they’re a person

@thepeasrolledoffthecounter7552

11 ай бұрын

​@@vintereventyr_Bravo

@chineduj-o6291

10 ай бұрын

​@@vintereventyr_I completely and utterly agree. It's just...PLEASE fix your grammar. You're going to give the "traditionalists" an edge. (That's in quotation marks because I'm only referring to what's in the video)

@beatblocksgaming

Ай бұрын

Damn, kinda feel that ngl

What always gets me with Jubilee's trans videos in particular is that they treat being trans as an inherently political state of existence. Being a trans man does not mean my body and my identity deserve to be politicized and treated as a pawn in these ridiculous "debates".

@alyssagggghik

11 ай бұрын

I wish they’d bring therapists and doctors on to finally tear down the science arguments cuz I cannot stand hearing this time and time again

@xbleaksquidx

11 ай бұрын

"My existence is not up for debate"

@dinosaurs_rule

11 ай бұрын

THIS.

@FunctionallyLiteratePerson

11 ай бұрын

To be fair it is inherently political... but only because of the state of society we live in (politics are about the management and use of resources and power, trans people are targeted by power). It really shouldn't be political. Fuck transphobes. Also fuck jubilee for acting like a centrist with so many things that shouldn't be an argument spread online.

@tjenadonn6158

11 ай бұрын

Exactly. To paraphrase Laura Jane Grace "I want them to notice the ragged edge of my summer dress, I want them to see me like they see every other girl." That's all I've ever wanted to be: just a girl like any of the others. I'm not a political issue, I'm not a demon, I'm just a girl. Is it too much to ask that I just be free to be what I was always meant to be?

11:03 Dear chromosome obsessed people: Science has accepted that sex determination isn't even as binary as you want to think, let alone that it has anything to do with gender identity.

@alicebthegachaweirdo8378

11 ай бұрын

@@KateWick1997No, just regular science.

@manslaughtermango

11 ай бұрын

@@KateWick1997 science is pro LGBT in the same way it's pro cisgender/heterosexuality

@alfiehopkin5795

11 ай бұрын

@@KateWick1997all science is pro LGBTQ.

@alicebthegachaweirdo8378

11 ай бұрын

@@KateWick1997What twisted world do you live in? Oh wait, I already know. You live in a world called “My stupid views and opinions are the only correct ones” aka: the world of Conservatism and bigotry

@teritt

11 ай бұрын

@@KateWick1997 Science is pro LGBT by default literally because such outliers add extremely important information for neurology, biology, medical research, archeology, anthropology, embryology, toxicology etc etc I could go on and on about how adding queer people to research has advanced science so much farther than before. We know more about how the brain processes sexuality and gender because of LGBT. We’ve been able to recognized queer people in history because of their existence now. We’ve been able to see gender present in _infant’s brains_ because of these studies. And you want to differentiate science from itself just because it recognizes LGBT+ people? You are just being _obtuse_ at that point.

God if someone looked at me and said "you're a girl you'll always be a girl no matter how you express yourself" I think I'd cry

@yaboiEchogaming

6 ай бұрын

Someone said something like that to me and I did cry

@FlashlightJr

6 ай бұрын

@@yaboiEchogaming they can kindly fuck off, youre probably amazing

@Super-BallSharp

4 ай бұрын

And they think its funny.

My general view on bathrooms: If a man wants to walk into a women's bathroom and be a creep, do you really think an arbitrary rule will stop him? And do you think that the "excuse" of being trans is all he needs to be able to go in? Of course not. So just let trans women pee in peace.

@toby-nq9di

7 ай бұрын

Exactly!! My cis friend and I have spoken on this topic before too. She's said she'd feel massively more uncomfortable with trans men in women's bathrooms than she would with trans women in women's bathrooms. Many trans men it's impossible to tell and it'd cause more discomfort and fear than trans women being in there. It would also cause discomfort for both sides in male bathrooms

@beatblocksgaming

Ай бұрын

The idea of creeps transitioning solely to do that is absurd and convoluted, like you said they’ll do it anyway and if anything forcing people to use the toilet of their agab would make it easier because then a creepy guy could claim they’re a trans guy and are just following the law, making the point moot

When it gets to the bathroom bit, I always come back to the story I heard of a trans man who respected the facility's demand that he use the women's restroom, and he was jumped and beaten nearly to death while coming out of the bathroom because 'a man just came out of the women's bathroom'. Make up your minds.

@Coelacanth1

11 ай бұрын

In bathrooms I expect to see baths and rest rooms I expect to see armchairs and settees maybe even a bed, whey can't they just call a toilet a toilet?

@mushroom-king

11 ай бұрын

As a transman I went into the women's restroom and got spat on (I do believe that if i didnt leave right after that i would've gotten beaten) i do hope the one who was beaten gets better and doesn't spot fighting

@Lostflightwarriorcats

11 ай бұрын

I don't use public restrooms for this reason and others

@Shaytan.666

11 ай бұрын

Not only trans man but also cis women and girls were threatened or kicked out of the women's restroom so it's never about protecting children and woman it's about power and oppression is power

@sharimeline3077

11 ай бұрын

@@Coelacanth1 It doesn't matter what we call them. And that is not the point.

it's hard to watch this without getting a little upset. Trans people don't just have a feeling they are trans. How do you know you're straight? It's not a transient "feeling," right? You just know it. IT'S THE SAME. When will they understand?

@saje239

11 ай бұрын

I don’t think that’s really comparable. People realize who they’re sexually attracted to based on sexual arousal. You don’t “just know it.”

@sharimeline3077

11 ай бұрын

@@saje239 So you had sexual arousal when you were a little kid? Anyway when I said straight, I meant how did you know you were the gender you are? You just know it.

@camer4459

11 ай бұрын

Is there ever a moment in a cis woman's life where she finally "knows" she's a woman? No, she kinda just feels it, lives as it, feels comfortable as it, and never really has to question it. No one *ever* questions a cis woman's gender, right? So why can't we treat trans people with the same dignity? That's the point here.@@saje239

@lrfcowper

11 ай бұрын

​Given that 6 and 7 and 8-year-olds have crushes, and that asexual people may have romantic attractions to one or both or all genders, no, sexuality isn't based on sexual arousal. It's much deeper than such momentary things. Many children know whether they are gay or straight or bi/pan long before they are remotely interested in sex. I see sexuality and gender as largely neurological. Much like autistic vs allistic individuals, it would be silly to say someone is autistic because they feel autistic. They're autistic because they process and interact with the world and society in a different way than allistic people do, and that can lead to difficulties because the human environment we have established is not geared for and sometimes openly hostile to them. In the same way, people who do not fit into the heteronormative gender binary often encounter a world that is not geared for and sometimes hostile to their existence. And this is regardless of whether they are out as LGBTQ+ or not.

@saje239

11 ай бұрын

@@lrfcowper Sexuality and romantic attraction are separate things, and it could be possible to get some hint of romantic interest prior to puberty. That doesn’t automatically equate to sexuality as you indicated with asexual people. They aren’t heterosexual just because they are heteroromantic, right? ETA: I’m not completely sure of my terminology so if I’m saying it wrong, I’m sorry, and if it doesn’t make sense, I’ll try to explain better.

"We can disagree and still love each other unless your disagreement is rooted in my oppression and denial of my humanity and right to exist." - James Baldwin

How is “tomboy” not a label? They kept saying they weren’t comfortable with labels but then they kept dismissing the trans (male) experience as just “being a tomboy.” They have no idea what they’re even talking about lol

Jubilee is the definition of “Let’s listen to both sides”. They invite some interesting minds but have impeccable taste in bigots lol

@Idkpleasejustletmechangeit

11 ай бұрын

Imagine if they did that for other things. They'd make videos like "Racists vs. Black People", "Anti-Semites vs. Jewish People" or "Misogynists vs. Women". The only reason they think that this is in any way different is because transphobia is so socially acceptable.

@PokhrajRoy.

11 ай бұрын

@@IdkpleasejustletmechangeitI think they have videos on Atleast one of the topics you mentioned.

@ragnkja

11 ай бұрын

“Impeccable taste in bigot”😂

@Coelacanth1

11 ай бұрын

@@Idkpleasejustletmechangeit Devoid of everything else rendered unacceptable or even illegal transphobia is the remaining first world bigotry and boy are the bigots devoid of other groups to beat up piling all their hatred into transphobia

@sushiroll3795

11 ай бұрын

@@Idkpleasejustletmechangeit I mean, they had an MRAs vs Feminists episode where they brought on an actual, self-idenified incel, so the "Misogynists vs Women" one isn't too far off.

Something I never understood about the whole "I don't want men entering a women's bathroom" thing is that they act like a "only woman assigned at birth" sticker would stop sexual assault. If the world were that simple, banks could just post a sign that says "do not rob this bank" and bank robberies would disappear.

@leviquentin1134

11 ай бұрын

exactly

@-en_x3

11 ай бұрын

"Swiper no swiping, Swiper no swiping, Swiper no swiping!" "AW MAN!" *snaps fingers*

@yuzuchi5381

11 ай бұрын

@@-en_x3 HAHAHA i love you for this comment :'D

@blueismylove3128

11 ай бұрын

Also forgets but also kinda so recognizes that women can and ARE predators too, so accidental ally?

@littlecatfeet9064

10 ай бұрын

Well, you can call the police or security if a man enters the women’s bathroom and it’s understood he’s not supposed to be there. Under Self-ID, any man can enter any women’s space and they’re not allowed to be challenged. Donald Trump could do it. Plenty of opportunistic predators are deterred by a sign on the door saying this space isn’t for you.

The whole argument about the bathrooms regarding “exposing children” is so weird to me because I have literally never seen any genitalia of any kind in a public restroom (other than my own obv). How is a child gonna see another person’s privates unless they’re doing things like looking under closed stalls, and in that case that’s the guardian’s fault for not teaching the kid the concept of privacy.

@pietjewaanman3506

11 ай бұрын

Kids do look under stalls. Moreover, If bathrooms are oke, then lockerrooms are also oke? So then it is the case and nothing is locked. Also I have seen adults from the opposite sex Go into the wrong bathroom to get attention (mustly drunk students). And these people usually got thrown out quickly. Just keep bathrooms separated by sex. It makes the most sense

@double-a-batteries3338

10 ай бұрын

I feel like kids shouldn’t be exposed to any genitalia, like why are kids in changing rooms at all? What’s the difference between seeing less clothed women in a locker room and less clothes men in a locker room?

@warriorcatkitty

5 ай бұрын

@@double-a-batteries3338 yeah as an aroace nonbinary person; i would be very uncomfortable going into a room with anyone unclothed regardless of their sx or gender-

The mental gymnastics performed by the "traditionals" were astounding. And no, I don't think that was editing. These are things I hear and see every day here in America. It's mind boggling.

@jackjames7283

11 ай бұрын

That can go for you guys as well

"Kids shouldn't know any labels." Ok, lady, so you're gonna fix it so nobody's ever labeled as black, white, asian... nobody ever gets called fatty or 4-eyes or stupid?

@alfiehopkin5795

11 ай бұрын

Kid is a label

@Coelacanth1

11 ай бұрын

@@alfiehopkin5795 A a kid is a baby goat

@ragnkja

11 ай бұрын

Without accurate labels, kids tend to make up their own labels, which are often significantly more cruel.

@sharimeline3077

11 ай бұрын

@@Coelacanth1 A kid is also a human. I suppose you never noticed its widespread use.

@Coelacanth1

11 ай бұрын

@@sharimeline3077 Not in my country nor the culture from which I hail, No. But to observe the etymology of term as it is applied to children, the origin pertained to ' skilful young thieves and pugilists.

Keeping the tradition of bigotry alive and well I see, Jubilee.

@eldritchteletubby9319

11 ай бұрын

To be fair to them, this video is years old. It's still up on their channel, so I have to assume that the views are more important to them than not spreading this open bigotry, but I think it's important to note.

@ShinyTillDawn

11 ай бұрын

If you were to only platform the people who were the polar opposite of Transphobic, then you'd create an echo chamber. On the other hand, you don't want younger people having the means to hearing a backwards, hateful point of view.

@ashercd6487

11 ай бұрын

remember, don't feed trolls, especially the one in this reply section

@DeathnoteBB

11 ай бұрын

Seriously they’re not even hiding the bias anymore 😂 Bigoted channel in “unbiased objective conversations”’s clothing

@ArtsyKnox25

11 ай бұрын

@@jieren2015 conservatives when they don't learn anything and have no empathy:

I dont understand how the lgbtq people are so calm, i could never

@ScarletTiger109

11 ай бұрын

Because if we lash out, they’ll accuse us of being hysterical

@mandarinablue8438

11 ай бұрын

Me either I felt like slapping the dumb grins off their faces, they pretend to be polite and understanding when they're exactly the opposite.

@crystaljasscat09

9 ай бұрын

@@mandarinablue8438 frrrrrr

@crystaljasscat09

9 ай бұрын

@@ScarletTiger109 or heterophobic

@ScarletTiger109

9 ай бұрын

@@crystaljasscat09 which isn’t a thing because they were never oppressed

The question of whether you'd support your kid if they came out as trans, and only 1 of the traditionals stepped forward at first while the other 2 only stepped forwards when they realised they'd look bad if they stood back tells you that they really don't

@hikawagetsbitches

11 ай бұрын

yup. honestly they might as well just stayed there ‘cause it was already obvious they don’t GAF.

@sarahr8311

11 ай бұрын

"I'd accept and love them, but I wouldn't support something I don't agree with" was very telling. I heard "I'd feed and house them and keep assuring them of my love while making it clear that my approval depends on them not being trans and that they should just stop it."

@OdinsSage

11 ай бұрын

This is literally my parents. It's the thing I worry about at the idea if coming out to them. Not that they'll hate me and push me out if their lives, that would be a blessing. But that they would try to hold on harder and "fix me with their love".

@_lexi

8 ай бұрын

if i were there, as soon as the two who hesitated came up and sat down i would look them in the eyes and BEG them to never have kids, not until they can open up their mind to other living humans and their experiences.

This video seemed honestly like a means of painting openly loaded/ transphobic questions as a “debate”. Jamie has said it well in many videos, where blatant transphobia shouldn’t be intellectually entertained on the same level as actual science/ the fact that trans people exist

@valerielevasseur8674

11 ай бұрын

The fallacy of balance is basically their brand. Apparently, so is Eurocentrism, because a lot of traditions aren't so binary. Might as well have a "balanced" debate on...well, pick a genocide.

@reedsylvier5250

11 ай бұрын

I will say tho, these videos, they get responses like this one, where a lot of the points that are transphobic because they actually believe that, and have a lot of misunderstandings, they get explained properly, in a way that actually might help them learn, responses like jammidodger's might actually do good. So, while not much cuz it is there for that shock value viewcount, do have some value. Also this is genuinely nicer than the ones see on official news sources like the BBC sometimes so that helps....I guess

@DeathnoteBB

11 ай бұрын

Seriously! It’s like someone claiming it’s not raining, when it is, and expecting you to take their “argument” seriously.

@ArtsyKnox25

11 ай бұрын

@@DaveBadger mental health issues aren't comparable to being trans. As someone who has mental health issues and is nb ( both seperated things, one was not caused by the other,) that is infuriating to think that someone who is anorexic or anyone who has any type of mental health issues would agree with you. You have no empathy. You'd probably go tell a depressed person to just end themselves because that's your logic.

@tjenadonn6158

11 ай бұрын

@@DaveBadger It's more like a conservative screeching that it's a member of the species Homo sapienswhen really that species has more in common with human papillomaviruses. Every relevant scientific and medical organization on earth has said that gender dysphoria and eating disorders are in no ways comparable, and no amount of conservatives screeching "BUT JESUS GROOMER TOILET XY IS BUMAN XX IS BREEDMEAT HAIL TRUMP MAGA MAGA!" from your facial orifices is going to change that. Leave discussions of human biology, society, and affairs to us humans. Well ĉe to you conservatives when we need advice on something you things are actually good at like getting blood stains out of white hoods or starting a book burning with nothing but a meth pipe and a gallon of moonshine. KNOW YOUR PLACE CONSERVATIVE. Also that's not even how anorexia nervosa works. If being wrong about things was an Olympic sport we humans would actually have a use for you conservatives.

The whole thing with "if they're not transitioned all the way, I don't want my little girl exposed to that" is nonsense to me. They're not necessarily going to put completely open urinals in the women's bathroom. Where would your child be exposed to the other person's genitals to even know this person is trans? I'm a single mother so I've always had to bring my son into the women's restrooms with me. He has never been exposed to anything. Unless your kid is crawling under the stalls, there's nothing to worry about.

@robo1513

11 ай бұрын

and if the trans woman doesn't pass well and the child questions it the parent could always just say that some women can look different from other women and judging people based on their appearance isn't very nice. It's a simple answer that also gives a nice moral.

@Mrcleanfrfr

11 ай бұрын

That's their way of deflecting how perverted gender critical women are towards trans women within spaces, it's always disgusting whenever you hear an anti-trans argument about these women in the showers or bathroom just minding their business being sexualized by creepy cis women for their existing.

@loveart3644

11 ай бұрын

@@robo1513 and the Kid will just accept that. They say "ok" and move on with their day. Kids I've met are the most accepting people because they simply don't care (if it's not a toppic of their own) they just want to know for the sake of knowing.

@normalhuman9878

11 ай бұрын

“I can’t handle penis havers/ former penis havers pissing in my general vicinity”

@Sarisjackoviak1815

11 ай бұрын

Cis dude here, I *hate* urinals. No privacy at all.

I would NOT want to hug those "traditional" women after all that shady crap they've said. Saying this as a cis woman. Everything they said sounded like (very) thinly veiled transphobia and ignorance. I agree with everything you've said Jamie

@thepeasrolledoffthecounter7552

11 ай бұрын

How tf did the trans people in the video even get themselves to hug them 💀

@Iamhere829

10 ай бұрын

@@thepeasrolledoffthecounter7552ikr..as cis woman i would’ve physically recoiled 🤢

@thepeasrolledoffthecounter7552

9 ай бұрын

@@Iamhere829 Hugs rejected by both cis and trans lmfao

@ScizzoringGirlz

9 ай бұрын

Cis women ganggg

@AlessiaJW

7 ай бұрын

I think there was certainly some ignorance but I wouldnt call it transphobia.

What's so hilarious with the chromosome arguments and that you only have the "female genes" or the "male genes" is that it is almost 100% the opposite. Everybody carries the same genes apart from a selection of few, for example the SRY gene on the Y chromosome, which in turn code for mostly just a few hormones that in turn regulate what genes get presented (active) and repressed (inactive) respectively. That is why you can change the "sex characteristics" with hormonal treatment: because everybody has them, and the only difference between people regardless of gender or being trans or cis, is which ones are being active and which ones aren't. If you start a hormonal treatment, you body will change which genes are active, and it isn't limited to sex hormones. Their argument is like saying "everybody is lactating" just because everyone has the genes and the hormones for that process (for example prolactin and oxytocin), but what determines if you are or aren't is whether or not they're active or not and that isn't determined by sex!

@PanndaKat

11 ай бұрын

This is such a good point, I feel like the focus on chromosomes is such a simplified, arbitrary thing. It’s semantics. If we think about how we actually gender people, it’s mostly by visually recognising gender characteristics which are partially cultural (clothing etc), social cues (culturally stereotypical gendered behaviour, them telling you their gender), and partially biological (genitalia, body hair, low voice, etc). But all of these are on a spectrum. And even then, when we say, ok, let’s just do the biological part. Sexual characteristics are just activated by hormones. Which are regulated by the sry gene. Which is on the Y chromosome. Is the thing that makes you biologically male the SRY or the Sexual Characteristic? And this is even ignoring the fact that gender identity is a ‘feeling’, which is a real thing that is caused by something biological, the brain. Generally a simplified view works for most people, who are cis. Makes things easier. But that doesn’t mean that anything out of this simplified rule of thumb is wrong or doesn’t exist. It’s like People are viewing the abstraction of reality as the actual reality. Just because A causes B doesnt mean that A defines definitively what it is.

@ScizzoringGirlz

9 ай бұрын

@stopgbt “stop gbt” does that mean you support lesbians and asexuals? 😍🥰

jubilee has a super bad record for theur queer people content, they once did a "one person is faking, find them out" kind of thing with queer folks and the person "faking" was, i believe, a nonbinary polyamorous person, so yea

@Lee.M.D

11 ай бұрын

🗿bruh

@seiallen94

11 ай бұрын

yeah jamie and shaaba reacted to that one a while ago together - because the nonbinary person didn't identify as queer so they were the 'liar'

@dranoel5743

11 ай бұрын

They literally said 'I know they're non-binary but that doesn't make them queer'. Horrible representation.

@ArtsyKnox25

11 ай бұрын

Yo wtf -

@maker0824

11 ай бұрын

Jubliee has no moral stance at all. They are just in it for the money and don’t care about anything else

They should add intersex people in those discutions. It would be interesting to know what the "conservative" people think about their gender if they can't use the "sex at birth" as the root of their believes

@argonanarchy3882

11 ай бұрын

They get very confused and mad... they don't always believe in them.

@micky2be

11 ай бұрын

Seems you are misinformed about what intersex really means. They are not hermaphrodites.

@susanleslie6178

11 ай бұрын

​@@micky2be Some are.

@sarahmiralles2446

11 ай бұрын

@@micky2be I know that, but intersex means that your body doesn't develop like it's suppose to regarding your genes, so that means genes doesn't always define what your body looks like

@lee_1292

11 ай бұрын

@stopgbthow will we cope?!

I hate it with all that I am when people claim that children are too young to understand LGBT+ things. I remember when I was 8 (I'm not sure how this came up though), I was with my mom and she introduced the concept of being Trans to me. She said something about people getting surgery to transition. And I thought it was so cool that people could do something to help them feel like themselves. it was a magical moment. I really do appreciate my mother. I always will cherish how we both came out to each other (not at the same time though). I'm gay and she's bi. Recently, she's been talking about dating women again. lol.

My dad has the exact same "I love you, but I can't accept you" philosophy - he's said it long before either me or my sib came out. neither of us has a relationship with him anymore. he always says "my door is always open" but we've added on "yeah, and the house is full of poison" So, I think that gives you a pretty clear picture of what living with a parent like that is like 🙃 he's also told me that i can't change my chromosomes lol

@pietjewaanman3506

11 ай бұрын

You can't change your chromosomes. What is wrong about that? Also not being able to accept someone's philosophy is not poison. How deluted are you?

@_lexi

8 ай бұрын

@@pietjewaanman3506 oh dear. the point is that it has NOTHING to do with chromosomes. and the poison they are referring to is that, as a parent, you should have open and respectful conversations with your children once they are able to. from what i am getting, there is no respect.

With the whole "gender is based on feelings thing," imagine your had an awful constant pain in your shoulder that got miles worse every time someone touched it. You told your parents as a child, but they kept touching your shoulder because they don't believe you. Your friends touch your shoulder when they speak to you, but you're afraid to tell them about how much it hurts because they might think you're crazy and stop being friends with you. You tell your doctor, but they touch your shoulder and when you flinch away and cry out in pain, they say that it's all in your head. Your pastor says that it's the devil inside you. Finally, everyone you tell tells you that it's just a feeling and you need to get over it. Eventually, you stop telling anyone and live with the pain. That's the type of "feeling" that people who are trans feel about their gender. It doesn't really matter if it's "just a feeling," because it's agonizing when that feeling isn't respected. Now, when you're a little older, you find different friends. You tell them about how painful your shoulder is, and they agree to stop touching your shoulder. You find a new doctor, and they just give you pain meds for your shoulder. Even if your shoulder still hurts, you can live a normal life and the pain doesn't need to take up every waking moment. Who the fuck cares whether the pain in your shoulder was "real" or "just a feeling?" You are so much happier now, and it really hasn't affected anyone else. Oh, but there's an international hate campaign against people with pain in their shoulder because politicians want to distract folks from the fact that everyone is poor now and the climate is going to shit. Dammit.

@monicadaniels784

11 ай бұрын

Good analogy!

@amethystrocks6433

11 ай бұрын

Well said! Thank you for the analogy! ❤

@sarahr8311

11 ай бұрын

I'm loving this analogy. Pain is a feeling, so is nausea. We're ok with fixing those, even if it means medications and surgery.

@micky2be

11 ай бұрын

Welcome to the DSM-5 world.

@Evilpeter1

10 ай бұрын

I ain’t reading that

As a child, my mother flaunted me around like i was the "perfect" girl. In reality the emotional abuse i suffered from them meant i knew to never argue, fight back or stand up for my own values. I kept to myself, distanced myself and as an adult i moved out as soon as possible and now they dont even know where i live. I like being a guy, there's nothing wrong with being a gal, just dont force people into a role

@Stroopwafe1

11 ай бұрын

Same with me but the other way around. I was very quiet, never spoke up, was basically invisible and got praised by my parents for being that way. It's still something I'm working on reversing the mental damage that caused

@elvalight2135

11 ай бұрын

I'm in kind of the same situation here... How did you move out? How did you afford to live on your own? Where I live I wouldn't even be able to afford rent with a full time min wage job (alabama)

The concept of a "tomboy" is literaly proof that gender expression and gender identity are two separate things. Even among cis people, the concepts of sex, gender, and gender expression show apparent differences!

Gender is a feeling, not in the sense of knowing what it feels like to be happy or upset, but in the sense of if knowing what it feels like to stick your hand in a bucket of water.

@Tylerd838

11 ай бұрын

but you aren’t

@ScarletTiger109

11 ай бұрын

@@Tylerd838 *YOU* do not get to decide how others feel.

Normalize asking cis people if they chose their gender. ETA: Also ask how old they were when they knew. The vast majority of cis people didn't choose and don't remember not knowing, but haven't really thought about that.

@ragnkja

11 ай бұрын

I certainly didn’t, and I consider myself extremely fortunate that I was born the sex that best aligns with my gender.

@leviquentin1134

11 ай бұрын

i agree

@katphish30

11 ай бұрын

@@ragnkja I didn't choose and I've always known, which is true of almost all cis people but most haven't thought about their own gender.

@saje239

11 ай бұрын

I think a lot of cis people would tell you they don’t value or care about their gender. In general, it’s the physiological sex differences that impact things in a meaningful sense. The stereotypes that create gender aren’t actually guiding most cis people’s lives the way they used to.

@ragnkja

11 ай бұрын

@@saje239 So you have no issues with being misgendered? You wouldn’t feel dysphoria if you were the opposite sex?

i think what the trans guy was trying to say was that, as a child who didn't know what being transgender was, all he knew was that he was intensely uncomfortable being shoved into the role of "girl." it wasn't simply "i prefer boyish clothing" like a tomboy, it was "don't treat me like a girl, don't call me a girl, i don't like being regarded as a girl."

@dietotaku

11 ай бұрын

the bathroom thing pisses me off because i - a cis woman - have literally walked into the men's restroom, used a stall, and walked out without even realizing i was in the men's restroom until i saw a man at the sink on my way out. nothing happened to me. i was not brutally assaulted. i have brought BOTH of my children, my daughter AND my son, into the women's restroom without issue. nobody was confused by seeing a boy in the women's room. he did not cause any problems for any of the women in there. and if a (let's be real) non-passing trans woman came into the women's restroom, 80% chance my daughter wouldn't even notice. because she's in a stall! or because she's just not obsessively analyzing every person who walks into the restroom to check them for woman-ness. 19% chance she notices and goes "uh, there's a man in the women's restroom" at which point i say "maybe the men's room is closed. maybe the line is super long. maybe they came in here by mistake. or maybe they're trans. doesn't matter, they need to pee, you need to pee, everybody gets their own little closet to pee in, just take care of your business and let's get on with our day." the remaining 1% covers any situation that interrupts that conversation like a sudden meteor strike or a tornado or whatever. literally 0% chance anything BAD happens to her because someone AMAB is in the women's restroom.

@dietotaku

11 ай бұрын

i'm sorry did that woman just say that a MAJORITY of people's feelings about their gender CHANGE as they grow up?! like... this is not about your taste in music or your favorite food, marjorie, this is about WHO YOU ARE IN YOUR SOUL. i have NEVER felt like a man, i have ALWAYS been uncomfortable in skirts and dresses, i have ALWAYS been averse to makeup. my gender IDENTITY has NEVER changed and neither has my gender expression. that is ME, that is who i have been since i was old enough to form long-term memories. my feelings about britney spears have changed as i grew up, my feelings about BEING A WOMAN have not.

@-en_x3

11 ай бұрын

@@dietotaku That comment made me wonder what she thought about gender fluid people.

@deusex9731

11 ай бұрын

Yeah im a tomboy and i kinda have a lot of gender envy and sometimes wish that i would be brave enough to go all in on a masculine presentation. I never had a problem with being called a girl tho. I like my body and i dont even have a label for a gender identity, because i dont care enough. Thats why im not trans

@dietotaku

11 ай бұрын

@@animationeditz5570 [citation needed] I'm sure if that were true Jamie would have come across it during his DOCTORAL DISSERTATION. in actuality there is zero evidence that "kids grow out of gender dysphoria."

they should have thrown an intersex person in the mix to be like "hey guess what, I was born neither, where do you think I should go then?"

@Beojkkoch_Capybara

11 ай бұрын

That’s literally my life lol 😂

That's definitely not what's happening. I was a "tomboy" my whole childhood. Was always told it's a phase and will go away. I was constantly being pushed to act my gender and be more feminine. My foster parents let me be a "tomboy" but constantly pushed the be more girly or you'll never find a spouse and will forever be alone. So no a "tomboy" is definitely not being pushed to be trans it's quite the opposite they are being pushed constantly towards the societal norms

People who say "i am a girl i feel i am a girl so that means only boys and girls exist", that's such a stupid argument. You can't say "I never experience gender disphoria so it doesn't exist". It's the same as cis guys who say that cramps during period doesn't exist. People need to learn they are not the center of the world and it's ok not to understand as long as you don't invalide others. I'm a cis girl, i know i will never be able to fully understand gender disphoria, but i don't need to to know that it's real. You just have to listen to those who experience it, be humble enough to accept you don't know everything, and learn from them.

@CrowExistinggggg

11 ай бұрын

You worded this Perfect. Nailed it.

@fallenking578

11 ай бұрын

It's like someone saying, I've only ever liked chocolate ice cream, so only chocolate and vanilla exist. While in reality we have strawberry,mint,butter peacan, melon, matcha, cream/milk (it doesn't have vanilla in it) Ezuki, pumpkin spice, caramel apple, orange, blueberry cooler, peach, red Velvet cake, and so many more. (Yes I was hungry while writing this) just because someone's only experienced chocolate and vanilla doesn't mean the others don't exist and doesn't mean they can make a fuss out of any other flavor

@user-mv5zt8qd9l

11 ай бұрын

"I've only ever driven automatic transmission vehicles so manuals are clearly made up constructs that I refuse to have showed down my throat"

@claramarie7923

11 ай бұрын

People do this with a asexuality too. Saying “I’m not trans/ non-binary/ ace/ etc so therefore it doesn’t exist” is like saying “I don’t have a peanut allergy, therefore those don’t exist”

@mintallylost222

11 ай бұрын

Ben Shapiro saying that pussy isn't supposed to be wet vibes 😭

okay fellas! let's see if there's a middle ground between genocide and basic human rights!

@alfiehopkin5795

11 ай бұрын

I guess that would be oppression…

@mushroom-king

11 ай бұрын

I'm like 99% sure the middle ground is oppression

@mushroom-king

11 ай бұрын

@@chrisbfreelance clearly you haven't seen the news. People do kill people over being trans. I've been threatened with it myself plus people beat up trans people a lot over nothing besides the fact that they are trans

@leviquentin1134

11 ай бұрын

@@chrisbfreelancemade it up? have you seeeeeen the USA and what they're doing? it even reached the conservative and right wing parties in germany who want to "eradicate" trans people and go against our human rights

@leviquentin1134

11 ай бұрын

there is no acceptable middleground. basic human rights should apply to all humans

Here is something that is often glossed over - and I quote from the Wikipedia page titled "XY sex-determination system": "In humans, the presence of the Y chromosome is responsible for triggering male development; in the absence of the Y chromosome, the fetus will undergo female development. There are various exceptions, such as individuals with Klinefelter syndrome (who have XXY chromosomes), Swyer syndrome (women with XY chromosomes), and XX male syndrome (men with XX chromosomes), however these exceptions are rare. In some instances, a seemingly normal female with a vagina, cervix, and ovaries has XY chromosomes, but the SRY gene has been shut down. In most species with XY sex determination, an organism must have at least one X chromosome in order to survive."

I have a lot of opinions about the whole “boys and girls should be raised the same” I was raised the same as my brother! I was afab, and it was genuinely great. Our parents tried very hard to avoid gender, to the point of avoiding blue and pink and instead going for yellow and green. This made it extremely easy to experiment and be open with myself. And both of us were raised will all necessary life skills to the point we didn’t feel we needed to be dependent on a partner to be independent. I don’t know lol.

@user-0ooO0oO001

10 ай бұрын

I want to raise my future children like that, far from gender roles, open to explore and free to figure themselves out as they are.

@AnnabethOwl

9 ай бұрын

@@user-0ooO0oO001my parents raised me and my brothers like that. Unfortunately our school asked my mom why my brother stole my shirt( it was a Dora shirt) my brother loved and still loves the color purple just not in public and he had a purple skirt that he got because he wanted it and my parents let him. My other brother got a dress and loved it until he wore it out of the house. As an AFAB I presented more masculine because that’s what I felt comfortable in and I love my parents for letting me express myself the way I want to and not forcing gender roles on me❤

I wound up leading a LGBTQ+ support group meeting, and a trans guy was there with his mom, and she was really trying to wrap her brain around it and understand what her son was dealing with. She mentioned that she had always been a tomboy and didn't understand the difference. So I said "show of hands, how many AFAB people when they close their eyes can see their penis?". Every trans guy in the room raised their hand, but mom didn't. That's when the lightbulb went off for her.

@MaggieValera

11 ай бұрын

"It is a common custom to condemn in others the very things we do not detect in ourselves." - Frederick Douglass

@saje239

11 ай бұрын

Isn’t that just a lack of imagination though? I can see “my penis” if I close my eyes, and I can do things with it on my mind, but I’m not trans. The thought experiments used for these things confuse me more than the basic explanation.

@skrunklington

11 ай бұрын

@@saje239dude it's just a dumbed down version of what being trans is like. if we didn't use metaphors like this cis people would be way more confused cuz let's be honest many cis people can't wrap their heads around being trans.

@saje239

11 ай бұрын

@@skrunklington I get the idea. I’ve just never heard one of these thought experiments that didn’t make being trans sound trivial or bizarre. To me, saying you have always hated your sexed body and felt like it should be the opposite sex is way easier to understand.

@skrunklington

11 ай бұрын

@@saje239 i mean everyone understands things differently. many cis people just don't understand or even think about gender the way trans people had to. so sometimes "don't like my body-want it to be like the opposite sex" don't really cut it, at least not without the follow up questions like "but why would you want that?" or "can't you just accept your body the way it is?" idk i don't get it either but the learning curve is different for everybody i guess

I can't wrap my head around the amount of brainworms someone needs to have to see a woman and say "you are a man" lmao

@Capybarrrraaaa

11 ай бұрын

Worse than mere brainworms, my friend; brainslugs.

@CharlieOsoo

11 ай бұрын

@@Capybarrrraaaa😔they all got the case of the brain slugs

@nessa-parmentier

11 ай бұрын

I had someone try to make the chromosome based gender argument And I was like : if you are in front of a cisgender woman who's always been considered as such and considered herself as such, but you're told she has XY chromosomes (which she didn't know either), would you call her a man ? And they answered yes ! It's asinine, but at least it's consistent, which is more than what I've learned to expect.

@cjt9834

11 ай бұрын

she was stuttering so badly 😂 in that moment, she fully realized how stupid it is. will she learn from it? we can only hope...

@pietjewaanman3506

11 ай бұрын

What is a woman?

Re: would you support your child if they came out as trans? When the one girl on the Traditional side said something to the effect of, "I'd tell them to think about the social implications," what I heard was "I'd warn them that they might encounter bigots like me out in the world." Imagine if these people finally sat with the thought that *they're* the source of the anguish when it comes to gender incongruity.

"If I have a little girl" Lady, do you know how many mums will bring their little boys into the womens' bathroom because their dad isn't around to take them in the mens' and they aren't old enough to go on their own?

I'm not trying to take a shit on anyone, but as a trans person who has begun my transition later in life, the last part pisses me off. The 'Family is the most important thing' idea sounds amazing when it comes from someone who doesn't have to worry about their gender or about the fact that it is often families and their bigoted opinions that have driven so much death in the trans community. I am no-contact with all of my family and many other trans adults have had to also make that choice. It reeks of 'I don't have to deal with it so I can hand wave it'. Of course, this is a blanket statement, but I know more trans people who were mistreated or openly abused by their families than they were the moment they abandoned them for their found family.

@teddyjlockwood

11 ай бұрын

That's so true though. I struggled so much with family being the most important thing. But I've been neglected and abused too much by my parents, especially my dad, to see them as family. I nearly killed myself trying to be the person my parents and extended family wanted me to be. So why would I have to keep those people in my life? I think at this point, I do think that family is the most important -- but found family, not biological

@DemiSuaton

11 ай бұрын

@@teddyjlockwood When I found out I was trans and omnisexual I was planning on coming out but I never did for my own safety, I kept telling myself “I love my family” and that “it’ll be alright” or “they love me” I was lying to myself because I knew that they would hate me. My family is openly lgbtq+phobic so I didn’t want to say anything. I still never came out and it’s been hard. The fact that I have to literally tell myself that they love me to ease my pain is just wrong. I wouldn’t say my family is abusive but they used to hit me and my siblings as punishment but, when they realized that it didn’t do anything they stopped. And when I got these punishments I told myself “they did it because they love me” I was just trying to make myself feel better because people always said family was most important.

@fallenking578

11 ай бұрын

I have a close friend who's no contect with their bio fam. Usually we amend the "family is everything" saying that is everywhere here in the south to "the family you chose matters" because to us that's your family, not those you share blood with. I see them as my sibling most of the time because we are family, not the abusive people they share DNA with.

@teddyjlockwood

11 ай бұрын

@@DemiSuaton that's so sad. I'm sorry you had that experience. You didn't and don't deserve that. I hope you have or can get people who accept you for you

@sherlockholmes7589

11 ай бұрын

@@fallenking578 I’m also from the south so this resonates so deeply. My mother’s mantra of ‘if it happens in the family it stays in the family’ reminds me a little of what you’re talking about. It’s like brainwashing.

If I had known any trans people, trans men or women or nonbinary people, when I was younger I would have transitioned or fought to transition from a very young age. It would have saved me years of not feeling like myself, for feeling like I can't connect properly to anyone or I should be hidden.

@renatatostada3318

11 ай бұрын

i literally befriended one trans person and realized i had been lying to myself for 17 years. This is why representation is important

@thebuilder5271

11 ай бұрын

@@renatatostada3318and that’s exactly why republicans want to ban representation. They want their trans children to keep lying to themselves so they can be the perfect “traditional” family

@aline8576

11 ай бұрын

i don’t know how old you are or what your situation is but i want you to know that it’s never to late to transition! you can start using different pronouns and experimenting with your hair and clothing, it may take a while to find what feels right but there are people who will support you!

@listlesstoboggan1845

11 ай бұрын

@@aline8576 I appreciate it friend, but I've been transitioning for ~6 years now lol Thank you though! You're very kind 💜

@aline8576

11 ай бұрын

@@listlesstoboggan1845 oh i misunderstood your comment i thought you meant that you wish you had transitioned at a younger age and you feel like you can’t now sorry!

The argument of “there are only two biological, gender” always falls out the window when you realize there are naturally born intersex people out there people who are born with the “wrong” genitalia. Hell, I literally had a dog that was born intersex it’s not that common, but it still happens enough for it to be a normal thing.

@ShinyTillDawn

11 ай бұрын

When something is so ingrained in our society, changing it is near impossible.

@Han-sq7iy

11 ай бұрын

Sexual reproduction occurs through the fusing of two gametes; sperm and egg. Your biological sex is the arrangement of your body to produce one of these two gametes. Although intersex people might have a mix of sex characteristics, they do not produce a third gamete. If an intersex person could reproduce it would be if they could produce sperm or eggs - which would indicate their sex.

@OdinsSage

11 ай бұрын

When I tried to point this out to my transphobe mother her response was, "those people are symptoms of a world corrupted by sin and satan". I wanted to slap her.

@sushiroll3795

11 ай бұрын

People who say stuff like that absolutely lose their minds when you point out that gender isn't a biological concept.

@Aziara86

9 ай бұрын

My family's farm once had an intersex goat born. Appeared female at birth, but would stand like a male to pee (like dogs, females squat and males stand) and behaved much more like a male kid. Developed testicles as they aged. Unfortunately got butchered before I could find out how it would mature.

like a third of the arguments are "nuh uh!" and it's kinda funny

Can we take a moment to appreciate how gorgeous the makeup artist is please. She's stunning

@boredindiangirl6983

11 ай бұрын

Ikr? Absolute transition goals, she looks great!

@clayslay1554

11 ай бұрын

Yessss she's stunning

@zxidenbel7000

11 ай бұрын

Cetine ✨

@racheltaylor6578

11 ай бұрын

Cetine Dale.

@racheltaylor6578

11 ай бұрын

She has some videos on KZread under Cetine Dale.

I am a non-binary person, AFAB, and raised Mormon. I know exactly how a traditional family and society operates. As a teen in the 1980's , the only terms we had were tomboy, heshe, androgynous and a lot of homophobic slurs. I got called every last one of them! It didn't make me straight or binary. All the talks with the bishop didn't make me that way ether. You can't talk somone into being Queer or straight. Trust me, if I got to choose what I am, I would have chosen straight and cis. It's a lot less hassle I'm sure. At 52 years old, I know this is not a trend or phase. I have tried to be traditional and have 3 failed marriages to prove it. At my age I have been asked why come out? What is my agenda? Its called authenticity and self love. I am tired of living a lie. Is that so hard to get? I don't want to feel like I am cosplaying in my own body anymore. With what time I have left on this earth I want to love and be loved for who I am, not be treated like a fetish object. That's how I view the term tomboy towards me.A tool of cis male gaze to make it seem I fit into a straight man's world, whenI don't. That one woman who said she feels 50/50 should look up Bigendered. I think with a little more self reflection, she may have an epiphany. At least she might learn something.

@alicecain4851

11 ай бұрын

I'm not making fun of your comment - I just feel like a complete idiot. I saw big-endered, not bi-gendered. I Googled big-endered, and only there saw the emphasis on the "bi" not the "big." And oh boy, did I feel dumb. I'm 59, btw, and was also raised Mormon. Thankfully, myself and my 3 daughters and 1 son-in-law have been able to back away, then run away from that, which is Mormonism. I'll be chuckling about big-endered a few more times this evening. Thank you. I needed that.

@CarMedicine

11 ай бұрын

​@@alicecain4851 "BIG-ENDERED" XDDDD JJAJAJAJAJJAJAJAJA Thank you for sharing this. I also needed that.

@phoenixvance6642

10 ай бұрын

Even if sexuality / gender was hypothetically a choice and not an aspect of your identity, why would that matter any less? People choose to be assholes regularly and still get rights

@ScizzoringGirlz

9 ай бұрын

@stopgbt bro is looking mad goofy

@_lexi

8 ай бұрын

thank you for sharing!!!

My best friend is trans, and he told me he didn’t even know what being trans meant, but one time he was cosplaying as a guy and bound his chest with bandages to make it flatter and he felt more comfortable looking like that. And being asexual myself I grew up watching lots of films with kissing and people getting together almost instantly and thinking it was weird because I didn’t understand how someone could be attracted to another person when they don’t know anything about them. Those feelings were always there, I just couldn’t explain it properly and neither could my friend. So it’s not about “those liberals are turning your kid trans”, it’s about showing kids that there are different labels out there that might fit them, and if they know about them it could save them a lot of confusion and potential dysphoria when they find a label to fit them.

@AnnabethOwl

9 ай бұрын

I grew up up think bisexual was normal. I didn’t have a word for it but in 7th grade my friend came and told me “hey I’m bisexual” and I’m like “what’s that” they explained it to me and I’m like me too that’s where I fit most of my friends are bisexual so I thought oh that’s normal. Until high school when I learned no it’s not normal😂

@toby-nq9di

7 ай бұрын

I'm a trans guy like your friend however I have a strange experience 😂 I'm glad your friend figured himself out by the way, you as well. My experience isn't strange it's just not spoken about as much. I wasn't typically masculine growing up, I never liked things other boys liked. I wore dresses and played with dolls and all as a kid and never even thought about my gender, I was just playing with what I was bought and enjoying life. Once I reached about 6-8 I started noticing that the dresses or pink or makeup tied me in with girls at my age and I didnt want that to I started forcing it away. I wasn't a 'tomboy' I just said I was because I didnt want to be associated with girls. But as a young kid I didn't know about all that. It was in 2022 that I figured it out when I made my hair look short and bandaged my chest, asked my friends to use male pronouns for me and I've felt more comfortable since. But i still don't feel OK wearing stereotypically feminine things because I'd rather not be seen as a girl even by mistake. Figured I'd share this here because hearing about you and your friend made me really happy. Thank you :)

@lilypad2714

7 ай бұрын

@@AnnabethOwl LmAOo that’s iconic honestly xD I’m also bi, or I may be aro, idk if I just like the idea of a romantic relationship or not, but if I was to have a relationship I wouldn’t care if they were a guy or a girl (or anyone in between tbh :3)

@lilypad2714

7 ай бұрын

@@toby-nq9di honestly that’s a totally valid experience! It’s different for everyone and if you’re comfortable in yourself and your identity then why should it matter what that is or how you got there? And thank you! I’m also glad you figured it out too, and I hope you have people who love and support you in your life too

What the trans guy said about growing up with acceptance but not support. I really felt that one. I am cisgender, so I'm sure it's not as bad for me to have non-supportive parents, but I have been openly bisexual since I was 15. And I do get crushes on girls way more often than boys. And while my parents say that they love me, and that this is my life to live, they also get openly defensive when I try to tell them about my date with a girl. And this hurts a lot, hearing them say "Just be careful not to regret your choices later" and "If you present yourself that way, men won't want you", way more than if they just were outwardly hateful and homophobic. Because then I could hate them and be angry, without feeling like an ungrateful piece of trash, because "I could've had them kicked me out, but they love me, why can't I be happy with that." And "I can be who I am and vocal about it, as long as I'm not loud enough to make them uncomfortable, or to make my sister gay too."

I hate the idea of keeping our kids ignorant. I understand it with a lot of things. There are lots of things I didn't tell my sister till she was older. But. When it comes to labels and things being trans or being gay giving out children the abulity and education to be able to tell us how they fee, even if it will change later or its a phase, is so important. Then knowing how their bodies work is important. Them knowing what different parts of their bodies are called is important. Even if its uncomfortable for you to have your kid tell you they might not be a girl, or yell vagina in the hall at a syore, or any other uncomfortable situations knowing those words would create for you it can save them so much trauma and so much pain if you just let them know the words and how to use them. Our kids arent stupid. Theyre innocent, and young. Theyre children. But they can understand things like "I am uncomfortable when this happens to me". Giving them the ability to tell us that and know that they arent the only one and shouldnt feel wrong or bad for feeling that way is a good thing. Then not having the words to tell you what they feel doesnt mean they dont feel it. It just means they wont know how to tell you.

@Coelacanth1

11 ай бұрын

Ignorant kids make for ignorant adults and so the world burns.

@pyroism6767

11 ай бұрын

This 100%! These people know and abuse the fact that we live in a cis/hetnormative society when they say they 'don't believe in teaching kids labels', they know kids will grow up in a bubble thinking cishet is normal and default. I hope LGBTQ education/simple references to LGBTQ people will fill in future LGBTQ people's questions

@SammyLammy1D

11 ай бұрын

Yes. A recent court case in Sweden really proved the importance of children knowing the names of their genital. A man put his fingers inside a 10 year old girl's genitals, but because she used a word that describes the outside of the genital, he wasn't declared guilty. Just to be clear, he was still guilty of SA, but he was accused of r*pe. I don't blame the girl, heck, I'm 19 and I would probably have used the same word she did. But it does show the importance of knowing the correct way of describing.

@sharimeline3077

11 ай бұрын

I grew up in a very liberal household in the 60's and 70's. My parents had the idea that the truth should never be hidden from children. They had friends of every sort - including LGBT people. I was never given the details of what they did in bed of course, and as a kid I wouldn't have asked. But I knew who their gay friends were, it was no big deal. They had quite a few Black friends as well, and I was told about their situation in the world. Same with Jewish people and Mexican people, and every other kind of people. Maybe it's because my own dad was disabled, they just wanted me to accept all kinds of people and try to understand them. They loved to repeat the saying "Never judge someone till you've walked a mile in their shoes." None of this was "confusing" to me in any way. They were just facts about the world. And I liked all these people and how they were all different. Kids don't get confused about who's gay or straight or trans or whatever else they are. You just tell them like it's a fact, and they go "OK" and that's it. Just like you tell them about different trees and flowers and bugs and dogs - there's all different kinds of people too. /rant

@glitterbug5678

11 ай бұрын

@@SammyLammy1D a very similar case from years ago I remember in the US. A little girl went to school and told her teacher more than once that "her uncle touched her cookie". And the teacher didn't think anything of it but eventually asked the parent cause it happened repeatedly. Turns out that the mom had taught the child to call her genitals "cookie". The result was when she went to an adult she trusted to talk about it she was unable to ask for help. All because the mom thought knowing what the right words were for genitals was too dirty or too much for a child.

Hearing the woman claim that she would still “love and accept” the fact that she may have a trans child, but not “agree” with it just irks me. I recently had a falling out with my older sister and auntie about that very thing. How can one say that they’ll love you, call you by the name you’ve chosen, and even state your pronouns but refuse to agree with what you’re doing? They aren’t transphobic or bigots, though. At least in their minds. They just don’t agree… as if we’re arguing over our favorite colors.

@sarahr8311

11 ай бұрын

See I heard it differently (though still shitty). I heard "I love and accept you, but I don't agree with what you're doing. So I won't support your transition, I'll keep buying clothes and toys for your agab, and I'll tell you how much I love you and that this is all done out of love and wanting you to do the right thing."

@topazwolf08

10 ай бұрын

My grandmother does this exact thing and people still don’t understand why I get upset with her. I feel if she really loved me she would accept who I am as a person. But instead of seeing me, she sees a version of me that was raised exactly the way she wanted me to be (feminine girl, conservative, Christian). So every time she says she loves me and that I’m a great person, it doesn’t feel genuine at all. She can say she “loves me despite my choices” all she wants but it will never make me feel accepted or loved. Sometimes I wish I could give people a pair of glasses that let them see through my eyes

@sarahr8311

9 ай бұрын

@@cannedtails5617 ok, so say I respect but don't believe in my child's religion. Let's say they're catholic. I "respect" it, in that I don't openly tell them it's wrong. However any comments I make about it are mildly disparaging, and convey my disapproval. I constantly "forget" that they don't eat meat on Fridays and serve it, because that's a silly requirement that I don't agree with. I consistently try to make plans for Sunday mornings, and when they say they have church I tell them they're too rigid in their thinking, that I respect their belief but don't want to have it pushed on me so they should stop insisting on church every week because I feel bad they won't spend time with me. If they mention their faith I make a face. I talk about catholics as "those people". I make sure they know that I think their beliefs are wrong. I "love and accept" them, but do everything I can do to try and change this belief while maintaining plausible deniability about it. Does that treatment feel like love and acceptance? Or does it feel like claiming I "love and accept" them when in fact I love the version of them I want to see, and don't accept the way they are now?

@sarahr8311

9 ай бұрын

@@cannedtails5617 I won't argue that patents don't love their children. Love is a complicated emotion. But you mention respect and acceptance. I'd argue that if you think a fundamental part of someone's identity is wrong and show them that in a thousand little ways, they will not feel accepted. I'd say that if you make it clear how you love them but think their view of the world is fundamentally harmful and wrong, they won't feel respected. If you tell someone (as in the video) that you love, accept, and respect them but don't want your child to grow up thinking that being like them is ok, they will not feel loved, accepted, and respected. Parents, good parents, care about their children. They want them to be happy, safe, strong, good people. They want their child to feel loved and accepted. But actions speak louder than words. When you say you love and accept someone but act in ways that hurt them and cut at the core of who they are, your words are just words and your actions speak louder.

@cannedtails5617

9 ай бұрын

@@sarahr8311I think what your getting at is that one should try their best to mold themselves to fit the comfort of the trans person. something like "the right not to be offended". I'm not sure how to make this any clearer; people are not obligated to conform to your beliefs, just as you state you aren't obligated to conform to mine. If the child can't handle that, then maybe it's not the parent that needs to rethink things. And I don't mean this in a rude way.

I really REALLY wish ANYONE in this discussion brought up Intersex individuals by name, because it would have COMPLETELY discounted the Traditionalists' argument about chromosomes. Like Jamie said, there are more chromosome combinations than just XX and XY. I have a feeling the Traditionalists either don't know that or are ignoring that. Gender is a spectrum, yes, but SEX IS TOO!! It just happens that XX and XY are the most commonly known, and that's how we've created this binary system. However, it IS arbitrary. Doctors and/or parents will make a decision about the 'sex' of the child at birth by sorting the child into their understanding of this flawed binary, and oftentimes when intersex children are born, they are pressured to shoehorn the kids into one of the two socially accepted categories. It's a peer pressure thing, NOT a scientific thing. Those kids are then forced to grow up feeling strange about their bodies and identities, are told they are wrong or strange when in actuality they're COMPLETELY NORMAL!!! I'm not intersex myself but I AM Non-binary, and the existence of intersex individuals is all I need to confirm that the binary system is man-made just like every other social category.

@fallenking578

11 ай бұрын

Exactly. The ones I know of off hand are XXX, XX, XXY, XY, XYXY, XYY, XXYY, that's about 7 different pares and their are likely more. Hell, mushrooms have thousands, even chromosomes aren't binary

@Sarisjackoviak1815

11 ай бұрын

Plus the only purpose of chromosomes:sets your base hormone levels

@Han-sq7iy

11 ай бұрын

Sexual reproduction occurs through the fusing of two gametes; sperm and egg. Your biological sex is the arrangement of your body to produce one of these two gametes. Although intersex people might have a mix of sex characteristics, they do not produce a third gamete. If an intersex person could reproduce it would be if they could produce sperm or eggs - which would indicate their sex.

@Sarisjackoviak1815

11 ай бұрын

@stopgbt thanks for your purchase

@WeBareTheBears

10 ай бұрын

Chromosomal abnormalities do not equate to being actual sexes. Nearly 100% (99.8%) of infants' born have the standard XX or XY chromosome. Sometimes, however, rare genetic errors in cell division result in people having extra combinations of sex chromosomes in addition to the typical XX and XY. Such examples include 45 X, or 47 XXY. Some people argue that these rare combinations prove that there are more than two sexes. There is one problem, however. Chromosomes are not the defining factor of sex, nor are they sexes. There is a broad difference between chromosomes and sex. Sex is a reproductive strategy that produces the two gametes of two different sizes. The male is the sex that produces the smaller gamete; and female is the sex that produces the larger gamete. Chromosomes contain genes that determine whether you will become a male or female. Chromosomes are just one of the dictation factor inputs, and sex is the universal outcome in humans. Even if there is a chromosome that is missing or a chromosome duplicated, the genes in the chromosomes still produce either a male or a female outcome. Therefore, the extra chromosome combination is not an additional sex. The key to this remarkable consistency is found in the SRY gene, located on the Y chromosome. It activates a series of genes that lead to male development, the differentiation of the gonads into testes, which then leads to the development of the male external and internal sex organs. Other genes such as WNT 4 and RSPO 1 lead to female development, gonadal differentiation into ovaries. The absence of testicular hormones such as testosterone and anti-mullerian hormones then leads to development of internal and external female genitalia. This is why the SRY gene is called the primary sex determining gene of mammals. With it, along with the functional androgen receptors, the fetus develops into a male, and without the 2 factors being present and both working together, the fetus develops into a female, regardless of missing or duplicate chromosomes. Knowing this, we can now revert to atypical combinations and easily predict the sex of following subsequent chromosomal abnormalities. Knowing that there is the SRY gene and androgen receptors in the Y chromosome and none in the X, these are the rules based on functional SRY gene and functional Androgen Receptors. 1. 45 X (Turner's), results in female. 2. 47 XXX, (Triple X), also results in female. 3. 47 XXY (Klinefelter's), results in male. 4. 47 XYY (Jacob's), also male. 5. 48 XXXY, again, male. 6. 48 XXXX, again, female. Keep in mind that even if the Y chromosome in some of these cases is missing the SRY gene or A.R, then either way, they'll still end up being either male or female. Proving once more, that sex is binary. People who confuse an atypical chromosomal combination with the other sex use a gloss of the hand. One moment they are discussing chromosomes, the next, they are talking about sex, without defining the difference. By confusing the two, they incorrectly argue that chromosomal variations form complementary sexes. However, none of these chromosomal variants results in a third role in reproduction. They always, only translate for two. And that is either male, or female.

Fun fact to that teen girl in the. "Traditional" who loves science so much: Scientifically there are more than 2 chromosome combinations. 🙃

@EddGorenstain

10 ай бұрын

Which chromosome combination corresponds to non-binary gender?

@user-mv5zt8qd9l

10 ай бұрын

@@EddGorenstain When we discover the genes behind the neurology of being GNC, we'll get back to you. What a weird non-argument

@jacineyatrakos3149

10 ай бұрын

gender and chromosomes arent linked you amoeba @@EddGorenstain

@WeBareTheBears

10 ай бұрын

Chromosomes are not sexes. Even with the variations of chromosomes, there are still only 2 endpoints for their sex to end up to. Male, or female.

@eriszuny

10 ай бұрын

@@WeBareTheBears Say that to intersex people

I’ve been showering and getting changed in gender neutral change rooms and bathrooms since I was a toddler(afab). I saw people of all ages races and sexes naked without issue. These people that think gender neutral spaces are inherently dangerous and that nudity is inherently harmful have some serious issues they need to work out.

@PhoenixTobiasAsh

11 ай бұрын

THIS. America is particularly super weird about beautiful bodies.

@Jack_Flapper

11 ай бұрын

@@PhoenixTobiasAsh Just bodies in general lol, Americans tend to be very prudish about nudity. Most of them can’t even see a woman’s nipple while breastfeeding without becoming hysterical and clutching their pearls in horror.

@PhoenixTobiasAsh

11 ай бұрын

@@Jack_Flapper Pretty much and it's caused a lot of self esteem issues for me that I'm healing from while I transition.

@Jack_Flapper

11 ай бұрын

@@PhoenixTobiasAsh I’m really sorry you’re having to deal with that… I’m rooting for you and I want you to know that there are so many people in the world like myself who will see you and not only accept, but respect you for being true to yourself. I wish you all the best in transitioning to your most confident and most comfortable self! 💕🏳️‍⚧️🫂

@PhoenixTobiasAsh

11 ай бұрын

@@Jack_Flapper Thank you, it's been a terrifying fight and I'm still here continuing it every day. 💙🤩

The first 5 seconds in and read the title and I think this show is kinda messed up.

@TransKidsMafia

11 ай бұрын

my toddler came out as trans. I will love and support them unconditionally

@alicebthegachaweirdo8378

11 ай бұрын

@@TransKidsMafiaToddlers are too young to find out if they’re trans.

@Cybercerialdestroyer

11 ай бұрын

What is this comment section bro

@MadMaz_0

11 ай бұрын

@@TransKidsMafiaMost toddlers can only form simple sentences or words. Their brains are developing , wtf are you trying to say?

@teritt

11 ай бұрын

@@TransKidsMafia Toddlers don’t even know what being trans is…

The thing that I always try to explain to people is that we as cisgender people will probably never be able to fully understand it because we haven't been through it ourselves. We've grown up always feeling comfortable with who we are. And its okay to not "get it" as long as we can accept the fact that trans people DO feel that way.

@Tylerd838

11 ай бұрын

been through what

I feel like I've probably told this story in a comment on another of Jamie's videos, but I'm not 100% sure, haha. So... I majored in human genetics at uni and one of my lab classes early on involved karyotyping (looking at a person's chromosomes -- all of them, not just sex chromosomes). We learned how to assess karyotypes by using samples from our own bodies. The lab tutor made sure to tell us beforehand that if any of us found anything unexpected, there was counselling available through the uni for anyone who wanted it. She said that it wasn't unusual for a student to find something in their karyotype that they hadn't known was there. A young woman in my class discovered she had XY chromosomes, meaning she had an androgen insensitivity, rendering her Y chromosome essentially non-functional. She broke down crying (a mixture of grief and relief at having an explanation for so many things), because she and her husband had been trying to have kids for several years with no success. They'd come to Australia as refugees, from a country where reproductive healthcare was basically non-existent for anyone who wasn't wealthy. Outwardly, she'd developed as female and identified as a woman, but never knew that she literally did not have the internal parts necessary for pregnancy. Her husband was awesome about it -- super supportive -- and I heard they went on to adopt a child together. But yeah, I expect that a lot of people would be surprised if they actually checked what sex chromosomes they had. I mean, that lab tutor said there were a few students each year across the different lab classes who found unexpected things in their karyotypes.

@Coelacanth1

11 ай бұрын

I was elated when I discovered I had an extra chromosome, in fact it stayed my hand for I was up to that discovery intent on self destruction after a lifetime of existing with a debilitating condition that doctors had over the space of fifteen years failed to diagnose. For it to only occur to them to order a karyotype after I had a worrying experience with a chest lump.

@sarahr8311

11 ай бұрын

I've always wanted to do a karyotype for myself out of pure curiosity. I've got a uterus etc (medical professionals have done things with it) but what other surprises await?

@Coelacanth1

11 ай бұрын

@@sarahr8311 I think they should be standard practice for a lot can be discovered from knowing exactly what someone is given we know appearances can be deceptive. Take the common ailment of depression for example, it's well known within intersex circles insufficient hormone production can create many problems, depression being one of them, for HRT to be ultimate medication that solves many ills. But I do suspect the medical gods don't want to know what folk are in case what folk are isn't what they thought of which could have religious implications.

If anything the “traditional” ladies are proof enough that we should teach children about people who aren’t “traditional”.

@micky2be

11 ай бұрын

Right, because learning about under 1% of the population with gender dysphoria is that much important. So much, that it prevails the 1% with ASD, the 2.8% with ADHD, about 5% with dyscalculia, or the 5% with dyslexia. Worldwide. Help kids accept who they are and support them in their struggles. And let them learn about life at their speed without forcing your ideologies on them.

@starparodier91

11 ай бұрын

@@micky2be Exactly. As someone with ASD, ADHD, a math disability, a brain injury, and cerebral palsy, I think it’s helpful for kids to understand that not everyone is the same. 😊

@Evilpeter1

10 ай бұрын

@@starparodier91 uh uh yeah gotta catch ‘em all gotta catch em all ADHD, math disability, brain injury, cerebral palsy and ASD!

@starparodier91

10 ай бұрын

@@Evilpeter1 My mom had 6 miscarriages, and my older sister only lived to be two days old. My mom was in the hospital for four months waiting for my lungs to mature before they got me out by C-section more than a month before I was due. My dad’s autistic. I was born in ‘91 and on the internet before it was cool to say you have 1000 disabilities. If you’d like them, I’d be happy to trade. I’d love to be able to walk.

@Evilpeter1

10 ай бұрын

@@starparodier91 yeah I ain’t feeling bad for you

I think it has helped tremendously with my kids - that they understand how and what gender is and how it differs from your biological sex. I firmly believe my trans son would have unalived himself if this hadn't been explained to him at a young age. I facilitate a program about relationships and intimate activities that endorses knowledge is power.

@mirmir0003

11 ай бұрын

youre good❤

@pietjewaanman3506

11 ай бұрын

So basically you forced your ideology on your kids and now the kids chose to be trans because of pressure and not knowing differently. Good job on confusing your kids and making their lives unnecessary difficult. Now you are not worse of a parent (based on this) then what people do with religion, unless you let your kid get mutilated over this

Jamie taking a sip right after that one question was way to funny.

Guess I'm just gonna keep comment bombing as I watch. My therapist relayed a comment someone had made to him regarding trans people using bathrooms of their self-identified gender: "If you see someone's genitals in a public restroom, something has gone very wrong," which I think means it doesn't fucking matter. As a transwoman, I want to feel comfortable using the restroom of my self-identified gender and I can tell you, the women's room doesn't always feel that way because I get in my head about how I'm perceived, even though no one has ever had a problem with it, and it's a hell of a lot less uncomfortable than being in the men's room with men at the urinal when you're presenting completely female. Take a moment and consider how uncomfortable that is for all parties involved.

My viewpoint with kids is let them have whatever gender expression they want and don't "worry" about them being trans. Before, people worried about their son or daughter being gay. Create an environment where people of different sexualities, disabilities, races, cultures, religion, ect and that they know trans people exist. They will say something if they know what it is, it's not a bad thing, and they feel safe. If your child is having mental health issues, hopefully a therapist would be able to identify if it's related to gender dysphoria. People need to stop fretting over this and using it as an excuse to put down trans people.

@Capybarrrraaaa

11 ай бұрын

It's even more plain than that; all we're saying is that stereotypes shouldn't be forced onto people, and that instances of such should be negated. The whole 'think of this kids' reaction is blatantly odd because _they_ are the ones pushing gender, _they_ ask for society to conform to stereotypes. Being enby is to gender what atheism is to religion. Although, saying that, there's still plenty of 'atheism is a religion' crap on the bottom of society's shoes.

@reneablackheart9563

11 ай бұрын

@@DaveBadger what

@reneablackheart9563

11 ай бұрын

@@DaveBadger first off identity and presentation are two different things also is having a dick a stereotype to you i know you aren't really here to listen to anyone nor change anyone's mind though, you're simply here to find something to be mad at, so I'll tell you some things that should boil your blood enough for you to be satisfied. individual f is david cleary epstien didn't kill himself half or more of the software on your personal devices is spyware the age of retirement is being increased more and more as time goes on china had a literal concentration camp not that long ago it is no longer possible to escape from north korea there, if you still feel the need to mindlessly argue wirh strangers please contact your local homeless tent.

@Capybarrrraaaa

11 ай бұрын

@@DaveBadger About opposing stereotypes.

@ezekielrayfield1512

11 ай бұрын

but problem with that is by accepting that child is "trans" you teaching them to live in delusion they arent the opposite gender that they were born as and nothing they or anyone else do can change that. We shouldnt teach kids or adults to live in delusion

they didn't even distinguish between gender and sex 🤦 these ppl are not qualified to have this discussion why are we platforming the opinions of ppl who know nothing

@alfiehopkin5795

11 ай бұрын

Exactly.

@magi-chanspec4760

11 ай бұрын

Omg yes! People need to learn the difference for These arguments

@A_T216

11 ай бұрын

With public discussions like these, it's so important to establish common vocabulary, both for participants' and the audience's sakes. Less miscommunication, better understanding of a subject or of a question's scope... So frustrating how Jubilee conducts these equivalence/contrast videos. No genuine communication goes on.

I find it incredibly hypocritical/ contradictory that the "traditional" cis people dont think boys and girls should be raised the same based on steryotypes, but then they turn around and say tomboys exist and shouldnt have to question their gender, that trans ppl are simply people who don't fit into the stereotypes (that they themselves uphold) and not actually trans. Obviously gnc people aren't always trans but the way the "traditional" people use this fact is always very sus I mean one of them literally says you can be a girl and still be interested in stuff that guys typically like, and yet she doesn't think kids should all be raised the same? Knowing they might have atypical interests? Its just annoying

Videos like these REALLY need to get some intersex trans people on here. I'd LOVE to hear what the generic people (I refuse to call them "traditional" or "normal", no, they're the cheap generic store brand stock) think about someone like me who lived for over a quarter of a century as an AFAB woman before beginning my transition to male just to be happy, and then during a screening for my muscle disorder and disability 3 YEARS LATER, finding out "oh hey guess what, turns out, I got those magical chromosomes y'all are so obsessed with that declare me MALE, what do you think about that?" Because then it becomes, which is it? is it what's in my pants? or is it what's in my DNA? Or maybe it's just easier to LET PEOPLE BE WHO THEY WANT TO BE SINCE IT LITERALLY EFFECTS NOTHING IN YOUR LIFE. Sorry, these generic people make me MAD when they try and say "BUT SCIENCE", get outta my face

@Sarisjackoviak1815

11 ай бұрын

Power to you, you wonderful mutant

@k.c.2213

11 ай бұрын

Hugs ❤ I'd love to see this too. Intersex people exist.

@renatatostada3318

11 ай бұрын

They ignore your existence because it reveals how flimsy their BS truly is. Social, scientific, or even religious--it's all exposed as bigotry when an intersex person explains their experience. Even if they don't want to acknowledge it, you're not a good look for them.

@lilmeater4785

11 ай бұрын

​@@k.c.2213bro really thinks that there's a lot of them

@mirimariana

11 ай бұрын

​@@lilmeater4785About the same amount as redheads so a decent amount

Why is your DNA important in everyday life? Who goes around thinking about their DNA every day? You think about the things that affect you in society, like how you are treated.

@fallenking578

11 ай бұрын

Not to mention the actual number of intersex individuals is believed to be higher then currently recorded because people don't go around checking their chromosomes until health issues get involved, so many go undiginosed for years. Some of those "only two genders/its your chromosomes" folk may be intersexed or have more then just XX/ XY and never even know.

@thepeasrolledoffthecounter7552

11 ай бұрын

We must EMBRACE our CHROMOSOMES!!!!!!!!!

What's even more icky, is that the woman with the super curly hair- in another video, basically stated that she thinks being gay is akin to likeing children...sooo for those of you wondering...it's so biased.

The point about children being "exposed" to information is interesting. What we tend to forget about children is that they figure things out on their own, and come to conclusions that may or may not be right, based on everything they observe around them; and they observe much more than we give them credit for.

At one of the schools I went to there was no gendered bathrooms. The sinks were visible from the stalls and the bathroom stalls actually had privacy, no gaps. And they were somewhat sound proof I never had any problems with it, and I never saw or heard anyone else have problems with it I feel like itd help more if the terfs tried to get more privacy in the bathrooms so people can't sneak under the stall, peek over, or just peek through the gap

@AndiNewtonian

11 ай бұрын

Exactly!

@fallenking578

11 ай бұрын

My collage has them too and I've used them plenty. So far, been 2 years and no one has complained about them and never had any reports of assaults going on. We get muggings outside on the bad side of campus (the side with no fence or street lights) but the nututal bathrooms have been incident free

@lorifiedler13

11 ай бұрын

Yep. Let's close the bathroom stall gaps. I've bee in stalls with a half inch gap. Unacceptable.

@sarahr8311

11 ай бұрын

Sound proof stalls would be wonderful in all bathrooms. In high school I hated the idea that people could hear me, and I'm still not a fan.

@nessa-parmentier

11 ай бұрын

The gaps are the only reason why I didn't use any school bathrooms until I got to university. I literally went into a bathroom ONCE in 6th grade and got bullied and locked inside, never did that again before I was sure there were only adults in the building. It had nothing to do with gender either, just some boys being jerks with another boy (although I recently realized I'm trans), and it was possible because they could peek from every single side of that awful toilet.

Jamies face through out the video was my exact reaction as well

@TheMeggize

11 ай бұрын

Same 💯😳

My dad says he loves me and wants me to be happy and wants me to be myself but "I'll always be his little girl." I don't talk to him anymore. He says he loves me, but he won't actually support me or respect me and that's what love actually is.

Honestly the whole not wanting to expose your kid to trans stuff thing is so bad and definitely comes from a place of transphobia wether intentional or not Like let your kids experiment! Let them figure themselves out and it’s ok if that means they’ll experiment with being trans and turn out cis. Cuz if you don’t let them do that you’re ensuring that your kids won’t know who they are. You just have to trust them to find their way

@BlueCyann

10 ай бұрын

@@animationeditz5570 It's not your decision. It's theirs.

@anatoxgameplays6504

10 ай бұрын

​@animationeditz5570 That's not how it works. You don't "let them be" it's who they are. The parents' opinion on it wouldn't mean anything

@icarusbinns3156

9 ай бұрын

My cousin called Mom a few years back, asking if we still had the ‘mermaid dress’, because his son had been expressing interest in wearing sparkly dresses. And he remembered his mother sending this tacky, beaded, tunic-dress to us, years and years ago. Luckily, Mom still had it. And a whole bunch of dresses from mine and my sister’s childhood. Just like me, E’s parents have to fight with him to be able to wash a pink gingham romper with strawberry-shaped buttons. He loves that thing! And so did I, when I was small enough for it. E looks very like I did, at his age. Platinum blonde curls, scraped knees, random patch of dirt…

@toby-nq9di

7 ай бұрын

Exactly! I came out to my mum over a year ago now and she hasn't called me the right stuff at all and said we won't tell my 8 year old sister as she's too young and it's confusing for her. It really wouldn't be. I use my name on games that she places with me on and she doesn't even acknowledge it. And if kids can be exposed to straight relationships and given gender roles and all that at the moment they're born, why can't they be exposed to gay relationships and trans people and be allowed to express themselves at early ages too? This is why transphobia is a massive issue, kids aren't used to these things when growing up so then once they reach high school and their classmate comes out or whatever they don't see that as normal. Then it progresses and continues. If kids were desensitised while they were younger and explained that these things are OK, they'd be less likely to be transphobic later on in life.

I knew who I was when I was 5 and couldn't tell anyone for fear of being punishing. I got older, and it did not get easier, and when I finally came out, I lost every friend I had, and my family disowned me. Thank goodness I was mature enough that I could deal with it. I don't tell anyone that I don't trust that I'm trans. This video was just another example of how much people don't know and / or don't care.

I hate that everyone leaves out intersexed individuals in these discussions. I always get left out T.T Edit: I didn't mean to cause a war in the comments.

@aavv4554

11 ай бұрын

Yes. Despite the fact that many children are starving and homeless people are dying the streets, the only thing we need is to add “intersex” people to completely pointless debates. You gotta love woke politics.

@loveart3644

11 ай бұрын

don't worry i always bring you into these when i get the chance :) makes them run in circles trying to stick to their argument

@user-mv5zt8qd9l

11 ай бұрын

@@aavv4554 people can be concerned about multiple issues at once. Cut the whataboutism.

@renatatostada3318

11 ай бұрын

​@@aavv4554 Yes. Despite the fact that many children are starving and homeless people are dying the streets (oo, what color?), the only thing we need is to add aavv4554's "concerns" about woke politics in the KZread reply section to a comment that most people will never see. You gotta love people who love to point to other issues in the world without lifting a damn finger to do anything about them themselves.

@aavv4554

11 ай бұрын

@@user-mv5zt8qd9l Right but some issues are more important than others yet society has chosen to pursue completely trivial issues in an feeble attempt please the people who can never be pleased. They want more, enough is never enough.

So uncomfortable with how the enby's talk about the bathroom point was cut. I can't shake the feeling that the editors let them make the point that people are focusing on trans people when they're really afraid of predatory men, but cut out the part where they explained how that isn't a trans issue and doesn't justify keeping trans people out. Also seems like an interesting choice to say the least that the trans side was given an even gender representation but the "traditional" side was all women.

"Boys and girls should be raised the same. " Most people I personally have met who claim that they shouldn't be don't usually teach boys things like cooking, cleaning, mending their own clothes, and don't encourage girls to learn about car repairs or sports. And as soon as a girl hits puberty she becomes a childcare specialist at church whether she wants it or not. (this may mostly be a personal issue for me as this is literally my childhood) "There are only two genders" KZread went to a commercial but I can tell this one will be a drama fest. The idea of non-binary genders has been around since at least ancient Greece. Probably longer. (also, very interesting to learn recently that there are a number of Greek myths in which people's genders were switched by the gods and then they just...lived.) OOooh the BATHROOM question...WHY IS YOUR CHILD LOOKING AT PEOPLE IN THE BATHROOM STALLS??? Nobody is walking around in the public bathroom with their genitals out. Teach your kids to mind their own business, flush the toilet, and wash their damn hands. As for changing rooms, even a strict AFAB-only situation isn't going to be "safe"...the opening scene of "Carrie" really isn't too drastic an exaggeration for women with a physical disability, or scarring, or who are just not very "traditionally" feminine looking. "Gender shouldn't be based on a feeling." That's a very weird phrasing. Also, they are confusing a deep "feeling" with an emotion. It's not like, oh, I'm in a boy mood, I'm in a girl mood. It's more like "I have to wear a mask every day so people who I care about won't hate me. (rather similar to what my autistic sibling has had to do) Accept your trans child, people. You're a shit parent if you would reject your kid for being who they are. And if your parents rejected you, I will be your new mom now. Nobody deserves to feel like they're not worthy of being loved and looked out for.

ok the wildest part of this to me is that a trans person who said they experienced religious trauma FROM EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS is now still as an adult following that religion like ???? bestie they don't want you why are you doing that to yourself

@-en_x3

11 ай бұрын

Just because some people in a religion are jerks, it doesn't mean everyone in the religion is a jerk. In fact, I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, but I am very accepting. (I hope) Most of what people say is bad about our religion is either not true about our Religion, is an (admittedly bad) part of our culture, or is a stereotype.

@00AlexAngel00

11 ай бұрын

Religious traumas 😢 Like “ppl who tell me and others lgbtq+ ppl that we won’t go to heaven because of sexuality and gender identity”

@espana86

11 ай бұрын

I'm an atheist but forcing yourself to ignore your faith because most of that religion's groups are complete assholes is just admitting that they are right and that minorities don't belong in religious spaces (which is not true). We don't know if God exists, but we also aren't sure that he doesn't exist, we only know that a lot of the passages of the Bible these people use are contradictory and have errors from multiple rounds of translation between different languages including the transphobic, misogynistic and homophobic (cough cough Sodoma cough cough) that they use against progressive Christians.

“It’s just basic biology” Alright then witch, let’s start talking about *ADVANCED BIOLOGY* (Note: this probably has nothing to do with the video)

Lol, I'm cis, but i am a lazy lazy woman who also likes to be comfy and was a former tomboy. as a result, i don't always keep my legs shaved. however, as a cis women, it has been pounded into my head that you do not show hairy legs, especially in public. that's like going out without a bra on. For this reason, i rarely wore shorts or skirts because my legs are always hairy. Two years ago, my husband and i went on our annual beach trip, and i was hot, so i wanted to wear shorts on the beach, but i forgot to shave, and i literally said, "who cares. they might just think i'm transitioning." Thank you, trans community for helping me feel more comfortable too.

When I first came out as a trans guy at 15, my mom was already a part of my gender journey and all labels that I had tried thus far and she was very supportive, but she worried at first that I had unconsciously pushed myself to be a guy because of my dad. He spends all his time with his cis sons and very rarely spends time quality with me and his daughter (honestly, he spends even less time with her than he did with me since he spent more time with me before step mom had the other three) and he and my step mom constantly told me how much my short hair made me look like a boy. Mom questioned why I couldn't just present masculinely and still identify as a girl. I think it's really important to distinguish between gender expression and gender. It wasn't about wanting to be accepted by dad, nor was it about just being in "boy clothes". It's different for every trans person, but for me, it's being recognized as a guy. It's the actual and sheer joy that I feel when I hear someone refer to me as Sky or Skylar and with he or they pronouns. For me, it's about finally recognizing myself in the mirror because I'm seeing myself from the lens of being a guy, not a girl, even though my face and hair hasn't really changed since I came out. I prefer masc clothing for it's practicality and that it helps me pass, but that's not what my identity is about.

It annoys me how big of science posers transphobes are because not only do they not know anything about what they are talking about but also they act as if they care about it even tho they only use science to back up their opinions and not because they are curious about the world and how it works. As a person that is into biology as a whole, I fill so uncomfortable when I see people like them talking about it like they know and love this field like you don't know anything and stop acting like you do

@HiBuddyyyyyy

11 ай бұрын

They do say it’s basic biology. And they’re right. It’s sad they didn’t move past that level of education in science.