Edit: Unfortunately, it seems they're changing the name from Penetration to Heavy Reinforced😥 : www.army.mil/article/259612/confronting_the_changing_sustainment_battlefield_calculus This may have been flagged as pornographic content on Patreon

@admiraltiberius1989

Жыл бұрын

That's funny and yet sad....and yet I'm also not surprised.

@prezmrmthegreatiinnovative3235

Жыл бұрын

yo Battle order id like to see a Episode on the Estonian Defence Force its equipment vehicles and organization

@jonathanperry8331

Жыл бұрын

Then why don't you just change the title?

@jonathanperry8331

Жыл бұрын

@@prezmrmthegreatiinnovative3235 that sounds random as hell but you piqued my interest. I would watch that.

@prezmrmthegreatiinnovative3235

Жыл бұрын

@@jonathanperry8331 thx

The Denver metro seems to be well defended against the Kansas-backed eastern plains separatists

@PeterMuskrat6968

Жыл бұрын

“Fucking Cornchuckers keep trying to raid our shit” -Gen Marcus Bradly, DenCom (Denver Command)

@Airrage88

Жыл бұрын

The Front Range will rise again!

I like the use of a real world map (Denver area) to give an idea of how much territory a Division or Corp take up.

@milehighkush

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

As an Army engineer who just left a multi-role bridge company, it’s interesting seeing them planning on having each of this type of Division have 5, which is how many there currently are in active duty, with the personnel shortages already faced. 7 combat engineer companies sounds pretty damn nice though.

@Crown-Cola

8 ай бұрын

Your right were barley getting our numbers in the Charlie world we are definitely lacking in troops.

@brett76544

24 күн бұрын

Desert Storm we had 4 combat engineer companies with 3 line plts and one MCM platoon with a 5th E company being bridge for the Div engineer Bn. By 92 we were changing to converting the Div Engineer position to a Bde command with 3 battalions with 3 line companies, but with two-line platoons and one MCM platoon (ACE, AVLB, CEV and other diggers and mine systems and hauling capacity) Then we started changing again in the early 2000's with more and different equipment. But with the new computer system a platoon went to 2 squads from 3. (the LT and Platoon SGT got their own APCs to run around in and took the hummer from the PLT sgt. One thing to note, Eng Bn's are all designed to buff up with bridge and horizontal and vertical companies. The corp engineers more so and they keep the old tool trailers unlike the old DS division line platoons. Corp combat engineers also keep some dump trucks for a bit. Then I left the Engineers for never never land, and later working for the government. All fun and games until someone comes into the office with a vest. So in 1991 there were 27 squads of 12b's in a div, 1992 there were 54 and in 2002, 36.

The entire division is built around the large combat engineer compliment. 1. Alot of armour, mobile, heavy, armour. 2. Alot of Engineers to get the armour where ever the PenDivCmdr wants them to go. 3 Alot of good long range fire support to nose down annyone trying to stop you. And if it fails. Well, only the US can make the skies scream the star spangled banner in ordenance.

@WWFanatic0

3 ай бұрын

Implying the US won't be utterly shellacking the enemy from the skies before the first Bradly can acquire a target.

@thijshagenbeek6554

3 ай бұрын

@@WWFanatic0 Oh the U.S would not even go to war without utter air dominance. Still, in Iraq the battle of 73-Easting was also a full armor on armor clash when the U.S and coalition forces had total air supremacy and Mcmaster who led Eagle troop still found plenty of targets for his M1's and Bradley's to engage.

@WWFanatic0

3 ай бұрын

@@thijshagenbeek6554 Oh for sure, my point is more that the USAF (and USN and USMC aviation) would certainly act as major condition setters. ODS saw a lot of armor action for sure, but it was of a fairly disorganized and demoralized enemy that had lost a fair amount of equipment pre ground invasion...aka the *perfect* target for US armored forces to cut through like a hot knife through butter.

Looking forward to your breakdown of the Light, Airborne and Air Assault Divisions.

It’s interesting that MLRS/HIMARS is a Corps Artillery asset in the new Division-centric organization. I suspect these assets will habitually support a specific division like they did in the Cold War, but it’s a change. Overall, I’m glad the Army is getting back to large scale combat organization

@BlindMonk93

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if that's due to the increased mobility of HIMARS giving commanders more options. Divisions might not need a permanent contingent of rocket artillery if they can now rely on a quicker deployment and response from the Corps artillery. Agree with you though they could be likely to spend most of their time supporting a single division.

@doughudgens9275

Жыл бұрын

@@BlindMonk93 my guess is MLRS/HIMARS accurate, long range fires is ideal for “strategic” targets back from the forward edge of the battlefield. Air defense assets, command and control, logistics hubs, transportation nodes, etc., rather than targets direct support howitzers could range.

@RobinTheBot

Жыл бұрын

​​@@doughudgens9275 That's what MLRS in the modem works is for. The US doesn't really really on unguided MLRS anymore... Why bother, with Guns and Bombs? It can still be used on the front line though. With enough supply (like the US during a war) there's no reason to not put 6 GMLRS right up the ass of every T-72 or T-72 Winney The Pooh edition that partakes in an assault, and the accuracy means you could hit one part of your own trenches that have fallen without hitting your own troops prepping the counter. With good timing, that's a diverse goddamn system!

@lukejohnston4666

10 күн бұрын

​@@RobinTheBotT-72 winnie? You mean ZTZ-96s/99s

I was telling everyone for the last ten years that divisions will return. Twelve year old me would be happy knowing he was right.

Nice to see the classic division structure returning. Always weird to me how parts of a division could be deployed and other parts at home. Weird. And battalions and brigades and what not just aren't enough meat to stand up in a true industrial, front line war.

@ironstarofmordian7098

Жыл бұрын

Historically, the idea of portion of larger units being deployed while others stayed back at home was typical. Look at how brigading used to work in the british army in the late 18th and 19th centuries.

@nikujaga_oishii

Жыл бұрын

they will be tasked-organized under OPCON of other divisions or corps anyway, it's not always feasible to deploy the whole division at the same time that's why forward-basing elements of divisions was a thing back in the cold war, even with extensive pre-positioning stock in place and regular REFORGER

@randomlyentertaining8287

Жыл бұрын

Well it does make sense if you've got 2/3 of 1st Division in country and you suddenly need another 1/3 of a Division but the 1/3 of 1st Division that's back home is in the middle of training but 1/3 of 2nd Division is ready to go, it'd make sense to just send the 1/3 of 2nd Division that's ready instead of waiting for the remainder of 1st Division to finish training or cut that training short.

@georgigeorgiev1329

Жыл бұрын

Roman Legions also often were portioned. For example a cohort from Gaelic stationed legion cold be sent to reinforce a legion in North Africa.

Just came back to watch this and I'm honestly impressed by how well organized the US army is

You know listening to this makes me understand the Reformers(Fighter Mafia). War is so complex and hard to understand for the layman that it is better to just ignore it and go back to a simpler way of thinking. To be clear I don't agree with it I just understand

@FirstDagger

Жыл бұрын

Yes they like wargaming solutions as an easy fix but fail to take account of lessons learned, technical limitations and especially soft stats which are hard to wargame but are all vital. Their dislike for tech is their biggest pitfall. Of course they are sometimes right like a broken clock and Ukraine is using several units which are reminiscent of Reformer thinking.

@realityapostasy2158

Жыл бұрын

I think reformers were nostalgic of the WW2 style of mechanised warfare. A bit like how most ww1 generals were nostalgic for Napoleonic warfare they believed more honorable.

@aaronpaul9188

Жыл бұрын

@@FirstDagger Which units in ukraine are of reformer thinking.

@rext87able

Жыл бұрын

@@realityapostasy2158 but in reality there is nothing honorable about artillery and droning your adversary to death

@madkabal

Жыл бұрын

they were basically frustrated morons. Too stupid to learn.

The Cold War is back in fashion.

@marrs1013

Жыл бұрын

More like large scale, near-peer armies with logistics and artillery fough over actual frontlines, insted of counter insurgency/territory policing with sporadic/pop-up pockets of partizan/light infantry resistence. This is warfighting, that was police work.

Really liked the video and found it informative. Being a veteran (M1 Armor Crewman) in both the Spearhead Division (3rd AD) in West Germany and the Red Devils (5th ID) out of Ft. Polk from the mid to late 80's . I hated the idea of BCT's due to the lack of Divisional Logistical Support and the area they were required to cover. The largest problem I saw then was culture. When in the FRG, the units were concentrating more on training and whether a soldier could perform his job and the job of the man 2 levels above his position. At Ft. Polk, and at the US bases I was stationed at, the concern was more about "looking good" and padding statistics.

GREAT! I really hope that you're also gonna do videos like this for the rest of the division type, light, heavy, airborne and airmobile.

It's going to be a challenge for the United States Army to balance between reverting back to Divisions for high-intensity conflicts and retaining Brigades for low-intensity conflicts.

@nikujaga_oishii

Жыл бұрын

they can still use division for COIN and other stability operations, just with less efficient force rotation and more administrative hassles to task-organize CS/CSS harder, but doable

@geist453

Жыл бұрын

not really when you know the Marines got your back

@jacobtebbe4435

Жыл бұрын

@@geist453 you raise an interesting point. It would be worth considering to bring the Marine Corps back to its roots as the US’s primary low intensity conflict and COIN force while the army is reoriented back towards large scale conventional warfare.

@andrewlechner6343

Жыл бұрын

@@jacobtebbe4435 No, the marines seem to be transitioning back to an amphibious force to counter China in the pacific

@deriznohappehquite

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewlechner6343 The way things are looking geopolitically, we can’t really afford a dedicated COIN force and won’t have a need for one. The Iraqi army and the Taliban need to worry about COIN, not the US.

Fantastic video as always sir....you are one of the best.

(Having fought my inner 19 delta, and won:) Logistics and attrition will always demand the "Bigger Battalion" if you want God's favor. However, any conflict with either Russia or China will have an extra long lead time for resupply, even with prestocking equipment and supplies. Drawing either nations' forces out of their supply comfort zones, and then destroying them in detail makes more sense. That being said, achieving penetration through the enemy's lines and wrecking their rears has always been the focus of most military commanders (and with that statement you all know the 19 Delta won out).

@dragoonsquadren1056

Жыл бұрын

Scouts Out!

@jevinliu4658

Жыл бұрын

What is 19 Delta?

@TomEvans16

Жыл бұрын

You ain't Cav, You ain't Shit

@ironstarofmordian7098

Жыл бұрын

@@jevinliu4658 lame is what it is. A 19 Delta is a Cav Scout. A weirdo who wear's a stetzin and spurs. 11B till death. Follow Me.

@Avera9eWh1teShark6

Жыл бұрын

@@jevinliu4658 Cavalry Scout

This is incredible detail. Does the military ever use your stuff for instructional purposes?

@BattleOrder

Жыл бұрын

They have lol

@MrCosinuus

Жыл бұрын

@@BattleOrder are they a patreon, too?

@BattleOrder

Жыл бұрын

@@MrCosinuus not usually, it’s cool tho

@joselee9605

Жыл бұрын

That’s how you know it’s truly high quality content

@ejharvey2764

Жыл бұрын

You need to have a military contract to create this quality of work.

I love how Denver is always the battle map location 💀😭 not sure whether I should be happy or worried

There's something a little unsettling about seeing where you live used as an example of a battlefield 😳 puts things in perspective!

Tank: Heavy Divison DPS: Penetration Division Healer/Support: Infantry Divisions / HQ / Support assets

@primarchvulkan5097

Жыл бұрын

Tank and spank or in this case spank with tank

Hey Battle Order, do you think the US Army's (and an extension DoD's) recruitment and retention problem will cause a really big problem with them trying to reorganize into this Divisional system?

@johnharker7194

Жыл бұрын

Not him. But the army is going to be fighting the navy for funding so much in the future that this may be a welcome downsizing in manpower. After Russian performance in Ukraine, they are going to have a hard time convincing legislators that a large, forward deployed land force in Europe is vital. And while I think China will be equally hapless in a near future war, the world economy is far more dependent on them not doing anything stupid than we were with Russia. So deterrence through navel strength is rightfully a higher priority.

@infernosgaming8942

Жыл бұрын

Not BatO, but not really. They’re mitigating that issue by using existing units to reorganise instead of standing up new formations all together, but in the long run it will be an issue as lower enlisted leave.

@mountplusBladeequals

Жыл бұрын

@@infernosgaming8942 tacking onto that, “light divisions/IBCTs” are most likely going to draw the short straw when it comes to manning fulfillment.

@abraham2172

Жыл бұрын

In the case of a war, the US can just mobilize masses of soldiers like russia did in their war against Ukraine. Since the US would be fighting for a righteous cause (freedom of the people in europe/indo pacific, stop crazy warmongering dictators), they wont have as many problems during mobilization.

@nimajneb4156

Жыл бұрын

@@abraham2172 Very uneducated take. Russia's targeted media is depicting Ukraine and NATO as warmongering dictatorships, and they're still having trouble with recruitment. And just because a war is morally justifiable doesnt mean people living in the US would be simply open to what is basically conscription.

I suppose the answer to the question "how heavy does the army's shiny new division need to be" is "YES"

Perfect timing hit the spot

You should do one with light division as well. Also it would be interesting to see which wheeled SPG would US Army choose given the recent artillery shoot off competition.

When it comes to conflicts, the logistics role is interesting to me.

@luisbarrados4230

Жыл бұрын

And important to victory

@StormerSixActual

Жыл бұрын

Cielia?

Man it's so good to see the 34th ID patch on a video. Unit is so storied and has some insane history but you never hear about it because NaTiOnAl GuArD.

@ironstarofmordian7098

Жыл бұрын

Active Duty gives the guard shit because some guard units are trash. Trash units color the whole force. Is it fair? No. But it's the way it is.

@corpsmitty

Жыл бұрын

@@ironstarofmordian7098 oh is that it? I thought they were just jealous that Nasty Girls get to hangout at Fort Couch.

@primarchvulkan5097

Жыл бұрын

@@ironstarofmordian7098 To be fair I've yet to see a guard unit treat their people like absolute dogshit like the 82nd and 10th Mountain have fallen into. No other units get that kind of negative publicity from say Angry Cops

@ironstarofmordian7098

Жыл бұрын

@@primarchvulkan5097 to be fair to 10th Mountain, that was 3rd Brigade on Fort Polk. I have never heared of a guard unit that treated soldiers like 3CR does. Overall, I would recommend at least one term of active service and then go to the guard.

I love the "conflict: desert storm" theme you have playing in the background.

I think the thing that will be interesting out of all of this is the way that these organizations will be used differently than their intended role. Imagine if you are an enemy commander. If you know where the penetration division is, then you will be able to determine the primary attack point.

@centurion1945

Жыл бұрын

Battle Order didn't really spend much time on it, but the thinking seems to be that this is where the reinforced and redesigned Corps come into play. The Corps will use joint force and strategic assets (e.g. long range bombers, naval launched cruise missiles, and massive amounts of electronic warfare assets) to completely wreck enemy command and control and lines of communication in the deep area before a breakthrough penetration occurs, effectively obscuring the location of the main effort, and making it extremely difficult to react to once the attack commences.

@jimsackmanbusinesscoaching1344

Жыл бұрын

@@centurion1945 Of course all of that assumes that this wreckage happens before the penetration division is near the front and detectable.

@centurion1945

Жыл бұрын

@@jimsackmanbusinesscoaching1344 Again, it falls upon echelons above divisions to suitably set conditions for a penetration division. This video from Army University Press does a decent job detailing how these higher echelons are being thought about currently kzread.info/dash/bejne/dqeZq89tibi9Zrg.html The other factor here is that if an enemy concentrates all their forces in one location to counter a penetration division then they leave themselves open to being out-maneuvered and flanked or surrounded by other divisions. In the first Gulf War, coalition forces deployed a large amphibious force, and even conducted amphibious landing rehearsals near Iraq to lead the Iraqi leadership to believe that the main thrust of the attack would be an amphibious assault on the beaches of Kuwait, when instead the actual attack was Schwarzkopf's left hook through Saudi Arabia. Future commander's may employ a Penetration Division in a similar method to distract an enemy and draw resources away from the actual main effort.

@Witnessmoo

Жыл бұрын

Yeh it’s so dumb calling your penetration division a penetration division 😂 The forces should be composed on generic battalion tactical groups and independent regiments which can be quickly concentrated anywhere and attack in force - that way the enemy won’t know where the attack is coming from just by finding out from a social media post where Private Shithead (member of Delta company, in one of the battalions attacked to the penetration division) is 🙈

@jimsackmanbusinesscoaching1344

Жыл бұрын

@@Witnessmoo Or potentially have more heavy divisions where you allocate the resources to create a penetration division from Corps before the attack.

I was around during the "Breaking the Phalanx" era when MacGregor argued for a Bridage-based system with Joint Tactical Operational Commands at what would be the Division and Corps levels. This allowing for a mix-and-max force tailored to the Operational environment. Apparently the pendulum is swinging back. The Penetration Division looks like a scaled-up Armored Cavalry Regiment with an offensive focus rather than defensive. They were used defensively in cold war Europe but Desert Storm demonstrated that even the ACR could overmatch opponents and wreak havoc when the conditions (desert) were favorable.

@Principator

Жыл бұрын

MacGregor, politics aside, was and still is right on the money with Breaking the Phalanx and Transformation Under Fire. And they weren't brigades, they were battle groups of about 5500-6500 soldiers that were organized like small divisions with less artillery,, but more armor and firepower (because he was a Cav squadron leader). The Army made the mistake of re-inventing ROAD divisions in the mid-90s, completely disregarding MacGregor, then over-corrected with Shinseki's Interim and Objective Force with puny Units of Action.

@soonerfrac4611

Жыл бұрын

Shinseki. There’s a name I could have never heard again and been happy.

@chrishooge3442

Жыл бұрын

@@Principator I cracked open my copy and they are indeed called Groups with the Heavy Combat group consisting of a recon squadron, 3 maneuver bn, FA bn, and support elements for a total of 4600 men. The Heavy-Recon-Strike Group looks a lot like the old ACR with 5000 troops.

@kellyarnsdorf5083

Жыл бұрын

@@Principator Like Canada's 1980s standing battle group in southern Germany. It wasn't quite a division in peacetime, but it was beefy with enough equipment to make two divisions with more soldiers being flown in on airliners to the POMCUS sites in Germany. An SSI game called Red Lighting depicted every weapon system and tank as of Jan 31st 1983. Great game. German 10th Panzer and 1st CDN Corp jammed the road to Munich every time with a little help from my air campaign and my Kelhuber Line (derived from Kamhuber system). Shot down 8000 Soviet aircraft to 2000 lost in the first 12 hours of WW3. Once night came I owned it with F-117, Ardvarcks, B1, B-52, Tornados, CF-18s, and F-4s. Smashed the Russian fuel depots in East Germany, Czechoslovakia and Poland.

@sethborman7844

Жыл бұрын

@@Principator as an artillerist 2009-2020 I would argue that MacGregor missed the mark by a mile and did terrible damage to artillery for two decades. Non-BCT units are an afterthought and when you get assigned to one your mentors will tell you things like "don't worry, you can recover from this."

Outstanding video. I love your content and your channel logo is sick as hell!

I’ve been waiting for you to do a video on this subject. You’re the best at breaking this stuff down. Excellent video, thank you!

Return to tradition. This is vey much WW2 style, suited for large scale maneuver warfare. And inspired by Deep Operations thinking. Reminds me of the Motor Rifle vs Tank division concept of the Soviets, where the Motor Rifles are for frontline fighting and the Tanks for the operational depth.

@death_parade

Ай бұрын

Soviets also had the Artillery Division, in order to implement maneuver by fire. Haven't studied the modern Russian Army orbat yet, so I don't know if the Russians still have Artillery Divisions. But the Indian Army does have Artillery Divisions. One each per Strike Corps, for a total of four across the Army. Infact, what he is talking about regarding Heavy and Penetration Divisions in US Army, the Indian Army does the same at Corps level, with ten Pivot Corps (for creating gaps in enemy line) and four Strike Corps (for penetration).

Fascinating video! Well done!

Battle Order just dropping straight fire right on target.

As someone in a stryker unit I’m horrified at the idea of having to do maintenance on a fucking laser

@thewhiteknightman

Жыл бұрын

Thank the Almighty Infantryman in the Sky you're not in ADA then lol

The theoretical interaction between the two new divisions reminds me of the long debates during the interwar mechanization, with different tanks for different stages, the use or not of horsed cavalry and so on. It's curious to see concepts of defense, breach and breakthrough back in such a large scale. It's also interesting to note the amount of attention given to rear security.

Russian military : ''we gona drown you with heavy artillery shelling in a prolonged slugging match''. American penetration division : ''No, I don't think you will''.

@PeterMuskrat6968

Жыл бұрын

Haha Counter-Battery go beep “Nooo you can’t negate my only advantage that’s unfair” -Vladimir Putin “I like Ice Cream” -Joe Biden

Is it just me or does a penetration division sound like an operational maneuver group?

This is a great concept. However requires a lot of change. Means a lot of money and a lot more recruiting and retention. Three things we are currently struggling with.

Another amazing deep dive! Thank you!

6:50 There's an greater chance that the Robotic Combat Vehicles that might enter the service with the US Army will be the Titan (or THeMIS on the international market) and the Type-x by Milrem Robotics, trough their US branch. The Titan is currently being tested by the US Army, and it gives more flexibility and functionality than the Jigsaw, but I think that the Type-x might be more favored over both of those.

@madkabal

Жыл бұрын

Will the command yo deploy them be... "Titans! GO!" 🙂?

@trc8197

Жыл бұрын

Autobots, roll out. Get to the choppin (er) Execute order 66

Wow, that is one of the most professional and accurate. The attention to detail such as call Transport Company a “Truck Company”. Bravo 🇨🇦Veteran

This is just great, amazing. Well done Sir!

General, the Air Foce says they can launch a mission in 4 hours, the Maines say the can land troops in 2 days and the Navy says they can have ships to bombard the objective on station in a week... Armor Company Commander: Sir, I got this...

@zhu_zi4533

Жыл бұрын

"F2 A"

Always enjoy your videos. Keep up the good work.

Great work 🥳 Thank youuu 💜

man keep this up!!! this content is amazing!!!!!

The M-SHORAD is extremely interesting, I am definitely liking it.

@deriznohappehquite

Жыл бұрын

We’re planning on deploying fricking laser cannons before we find a replacement for the Stinger.

One of your best, IMHO. Thanks!

Wow this is incredibly well done

Itd be really great to see a similar breakdown of the airborne division

Perfectly done, thank you guys..

This channel is freaking awesome! Keep up the excellent work. Could you do a video about south american military organization?

Absolutely fantastic. I will read more about it !

Great breakdown. It looks like someone remembered “train like you fight.”

Good video. So weird to see things go back to how their were before OIF. When you showed the makeup of 1BCT 1st Cav that totally put it into perspective. I was under 2 BCT, and 2-82FA was our higher BN. The Special Troops Battalion didn't exist which is why my unit, 1st Cav Div Band was directly under 2-82 for deployment, but then was transferred to 312th MI for the duration of OIF2.

once again excellent work !

Is it just me, or is the idea of heavy divisions to enable a breakthrough, and penetration divisions to exploit it very similar to the ww2 era British doctrine of infantry and cruiser tanks?

@proudfirebrand3946

Жыл бұрын

Yes, but now it is more applicable with current technology and firepower. The old doctrine could easily be thwarted by defense in depth or mobile defense, but with current weapon systems and flexibility in small unit tactics and absolute domination of Air Power(that can finally win wars)..... Well we only need to look at what happened to the Iraqi Army as an example although an inadequate opponent, its inadequacy was only brought to the spot light through modern warfare employed by the US army...

@markb8426

Жыл бұрын

Well I don’t know much about the Iraq war but I do know they fought the Persians and that was a stalemate.

@Witnessmoo

Жыл бұрын

Yep

@alexb6318

Жыл бұрын

@@proudfirebrand3946 I think when Mark B says ‘stalemate’ he’s referring to the Iran Iraq war, not the second gulf war. The Iran Iraq war was very much a stalemate for the most part, and an exceptionally bloody one. Also, has a comment been deleted? I feel like I’m missing something here.

@proudfirebrand3946

Жыл бұрын

@@alexb6318 I was just mistaken I confused Persia to Afghanistan for some reason..

This is gold, I know more about military since this Chanel that many cadets I know around...

I feel like a division could straight up dissappear inside a city. Like, if that Denver operation took place in Detroit, the division inside the city would end up missing, presumed eaten by locals.

Can you guys do the other division templates please. Loved this! Army finally doing something good for once.

Great Video!

Outstanding article.

Very Well Done!!!

Great video!

What a great video!

YOU MENTIONED MDTF FINALLY!!! I’m so happy

@infernosgaming8942

Жыл бұрын

Ikr, seems like just now they’re getting some spotlight, relatively unknown up till now.

This video was extremely useful transfer of knowledge and I'm so appreciative of Battle Order for putting this together for us to best understand the reorganizational efforts of the USARMY

Love your content bro. Can you do one on the light, air assault and airborne div. as well?

Standard heavy division can be the role of 2nd Armored Division if it got reactivated somehow, just pondering.

Wow great video 😊

What a phenomenally informational video! I've learned so much about the organizational and logistics side of things from you in such a short time, it's fascinating! Though I am curious, where do you source all of this information from? There's gourds of it and it's all extremely detailed. My operating assumption is that the DoD publishes this stuff somewhere and that's where you get it.

Been waiting for this one

We should remind ourselves of what the Division was originally created for. It's the smallest unit in the Army that combines all branches. Infantry, Armour, artillery, engineers, aviation (defence). etc. I think the division is a neat idea, one that actually goes back to Napoleonic Wars time. Corps are just two or more divisions acting together under a single overall command (Lt General).

@fnansjy456

Жыл бұрын

But they are very different the original division we're about the size of modem brigades

I just watched your video on French Leclerc tanks being paired with VBLs I can totally see how the future RCV program vehicle can be paired with Abrams for the same roles. Maybe have an AMPV trailing way behind to offload non-autonomous operations of the RCV and UCAS operations.

love seeing this video. a couple of my buddies, myself included, but im not part of the 1st cav penetration division. A couple of my buddies got moved right after returning from poland a month or so ago. now theyre training up and preparing to deploy again within the next year under this new model. thankful i wasnt picked.

Great video. Now if these plans can be enacted by Big Army. A lot of parts in so many different places that need to come together. Will time and space work to get this together?

Any word on whether the “anti-ordnance” units of the air defense sections will still operate Centurion C-RAM’s? Also, asides from Grey Eagle’s, will the CAB’s operate any other drones? And how will the new MPFS fit into all of this? Also, I don’t understand why the heavy units won’t receive air defense units. Just don’t make sense to me

@BattleOrder

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I don't know about C-RAMs (IFPC Inc 1) already in service but the missile-based IFPC Inc 2 is what is replacing its capability. I am not sure of any internal changes to the Aviation Brigade's battalions. If you mean the MPF light tanks, they'll be in divisional tank battalions in light/airborne/air assault divisions supporting IBCTs (which will become light or motorized BCTs). In separate light brigades like the 173rd it'll become a company that is under the brigade's Cavalry Squadron for maintenance and gunnery purposes but tactically under the brigade commander's direction. Our video on that platform is linked at the end of this one.

@lightspeedvictory

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@@BattleOrder and the lack of air defense in the heavy units?

@k53847

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@@lightspeedvictory It's due to USAF having prevented air attacks on Army units since the Korean war. 70 years is a long time. Everyone agrees that the Army should have a SLAMRAAM based system like NASAMS, but these are not cheap and the money never quite happens.

@lightspeedvictory

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@@k53847 you say that and yet the penetration units are getting air defenses. So if the penetration units get them, why not the heavies?

@k53847

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@@lightspeedvictory Who going to have everything thrown at them? The main effort. Limited money and men, do you remove a CA Bn for ADA?

A video on French tank doctrine during the interwar and how it evolves throughout the interwar would be really interesting an article on your website about it would also be really cool

Any chance of a video on the structure of the Canadian Army Reserve? Pros and cons? Areas of improvement etc?

Great video! Can you do one on the Reserves and Medical both AD and Reserve.

Love the conflict desert storm soundtrack in the background

I see the US Army is excited AF to no longer be playing cops and insurgents.

@coryhall7074

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Since WW2 the US Army has always seen “WW2+” as their raison d’être, not the messy less conventional fights they are much more likely to actually do.

Thanks for the metric system 😀

Very interesting how this new generation of Army leaders are bringing back the Division as the basic larger more powerful and sustainable maneuver unit as well as reviving the Corp as the organizing supporting higher level C&C to organize and sustain multidivisional operations. But they are doing so with commendable innovations - conceptual, organizational and in use of technology. It appears that speed, power, in depth multimodal interdiction, and use of skill, craftiness, and practicality are given the highest priorities. And all this brings back to focus the Division/Corp/Army structure used in fighting WW2 as well as many of the issues and problems encountered then making it relevant to read about and study once again.

Thank you for featuring the 34th infantry division of the Minnesota National Guard!

Yay!!! My house is in the video! It's inside one of the pixels and smaller than the eye can see, but it's there.

Hey battle order great video just got a quick question do you know the total personal reequipments for the penetration and heavy division will it be more than 20,000 25,000?

I'm diggin the conflict desert storm background music

It'll be interesting to see how this translates down to the smaller units during the reorganization. For example, I was a scout in an armored cavalry troop/sqdrn in the 34th ID. When we transitioned to the BCT model during GWOT, our unit was restructured into a light cavalry (RSTA) unit. We traded our Abrams and tracks for Humvees, and all the 19 Kilos had to reclass to 19 Delta, or transfer to an armored unit in Minnesota if they wanted to continue to be a tanker. Being a "penetration division", you'd think you'd want your cavalry units to pack more of a punch (Abrams/Bradleys) than a light vehicle can provide. It would be ironic as hell if they transition back to an armor platform. So many people were extremely pissed when it happened the first time. Many tankers just ended their careers, rather than reclass to scouts.

I look forward to the light unit break downs

You should make videos on the other four types also.

i waited for this vid

It’s good to see ground forces being able to get back to maneuver warfare. This future threat theory beginning to phase into existence for peer battlespace engagements is cool. This reminds me of how our mechanized maneuver forces operated during the Cold War and interim war years pre War on Terror and discussions about 21st century future warfare back in the 90’s. Always enjoy your videos. Question: Are the new shelf propelled gun artillery still utilizing a howitzer or gun howitzer?

Brilliant

Is the background music from Conflict Desert Storm? I got a flashback of so many happy childhood memories when I realized where I heard it from.

id like to see a episode on the ESTONIAN DEFENCE FORCES equipments vehicles organization etc

@sharwama992

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Yeah that would be great Tho they don’t have much of anything

@prezmrmthegreatiinnovative3235

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@@sharwama992 yes ik

@kutter_ttl6786

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Task & Purpose did a pretty good overview, although their videos don't go into as much detail into the structure as this channel.

@dwarvensphere1094

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GOOSE

Remember, young commanders: protect your forces against penetration in rear areas

Great soundtrack Great video Conflict desert storm was a fantastic game