THANK YOU

It is complex. And really not something I want to have an opinion on seeing as it doesn't affect me being neither particularly sporty nor gender involved in any of the heated parties in this discussion. However - the one bit of the argument I really lean away from you is that the only strong conclusion you seem to be pointing towards is gendering sports in the first place was problematic. IE. There's an inference, you don't say it but you do lead up to the conclusion - that for the majority of amateur (or even most professional) sports we shouldn't be segregating by sex at all. And that... conclusion would be deeply problematic on so many levels that reach so far beyond any other aspect of society brought into this discussion. I'd really point at male / female segregation in sports comes from far more than just historical hang ups. There are deep societal issues that drive this coming from several angles which are very present and driving. Even more when you consider this on an international stage. If the solution to make it more inclusive for trans athletes is to dismantle that then there is going to be a lot of problems and the debate will certainly become far more toxic in the future - which I would hate to see. Either way - though I can't agree on that conclusion always found your trains of thought quite interesting and good to see you branching beyond our shared interest in retro Sci fi television series.

@MidnightChimey

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, yeah I don't think it would be reasonable for the gender/sex segregation to be dismantled overnight and as I say, there is no easy quick fix solution. The point is more that segregation of sport is not simply a matter of fairness, as it is so often framed, and it's something that should be addressed in the discourse

@tarnw3301

2 жыл бұрын

It's simple, would you allow a 20 years old to participate in the sub-16 category? If the answer is "no", why are you allowing a man in the female category?

@MidnightChimey

2 жыл бұрын

@@tarnw3301 Did you even watch the video?

It's a word that I think gets abused a bit, but I appreciated the nuance in this. Nice to avoid binary yes/no arguments with these subjects; and really in general

@MidnightChimey

2 жыл бұрын

True, reality is complex

@MidnightChimey

Жыл бұрын

@Sixth Compactor Only if you are a bigot

Sports are separated by sex, not gender. And generally the male category is open to anyone. There is no debate

@MidnightChimey

2 жыл бұрын

Have you watched the video?

@albertfralinger2711

2 жыл бұрын

@@MidnightChimey I did, but I believe you failed in the making the point that “trans inclusion is a complex subject”. The category of women sports was created to give women a safe and fair way to compete in sport. if women want to compete with men, they are usually allowed to. This gives everyone an opportunity to compete. It doesn’t have to be any more complicated than that.

@MidnightChimey

2 жыл бұрын

@@albertfralinger2711 You don't seem to actually be responding to the points I made, in fact I'm not sure what point you are even making. I'm assuming from your opening comment you think that trans people shouldn't be allowed to compete as the gender they identify? Why is that and how is that fair?

@albertfralinger2711

2 жыл бұрын

@@MidnightChimey I don’t think people should compete in whatever gender they identify in because sports is separated by biological sex, not gender. It’s as simple as that. There are plenty of aspects that make all sports not equal for all people, but that’s how life works. Trans people can still compete in whatever sport they want as long as they follow the rules

@MidnightChimey

2 жыл бұрын

​@@albertfralinger2711 Saying sports should be separated by biological sex is just a different way of saying trans people shouldn't be able to compete as their gender, and I'm asking why? If the answer is that trans women have an unfair advantage, well as I said in the video that is not necessarily true depending on the sport in question, how far along in their transition they are etc. and even if it is true, how is it really any different to other biological differences between athletes of the same gender such as height, weight, having long legs etc.

I think they should not be banned at all

@MidnightChimey

2 жыл бұрын

It isn't fair

@albertfralinger2711

2 жыл бұрын

@@MidnightChimey it’s very fair. As fair as sports can realistically be

It really isn't a complex subject..

@MidnightChimey

Жыл бұрын

Why not?