"So You've Been Made Tranquil- Now What?" sounds like a not at all helpful "educational" pamphlet that Circle tranquil get after being put through the rite.

I always saw Tranquility as a magical lobotomy

@violetraven8323

5 жыл бұрын

Skyler Maves with that, I always wondered since mental disorders are confirmed to exist in Thedas. Was/is tranquility utilized to "treat" mental disabilities like lobotomies were? (Thank god no one uses it anymore considering there's LAWS against it)

@marystone860

5 жыл бұрын

I always thought that too. When I first heard of it, I was like: That sounds like what happens when a lobotomy is done to someone. It does the SAME THING! It is one of the most horrendous things that has ever been invented! I am usually a mage in my playthroughs and a Mage Hawke says it best: 'I rather be dead than Tranquil.'

@jameswilliamson925

5 жыл бұрын

I feel like that's kind of what it was inspired by.

@RikuxBakura

4 жыл бұрын

It is exactly the same thing.

@REALdavidmiscarriage

3 жыл бұрын

yeah me too

The reason dwarves aren’t like the tranquil mages is because they’re a hive mind connected to the Titan, which is asleep and disconnected from the dwarves. Since their connection to the Titan doesn’t function correctly, they don’t have to dream, but they can still retain their personalities.

The right of tranquility and its effects on mages seems like an allegory for a lobotomy and mental illness

Rewatching older DA videos is always so funny/sad when you hear something like "hopefully DA4 news soon guys!"

Btw the elvin girl named avexis who could talk to and control dragons in Cassandra's dragon age movie (you should watch it btw) is later shown to be made tranquil in dragon age inquisition in a short backhround dialogue with her and mother Giselle that goes like this Mother Giselle: Tell me are you happy this way, with everything you feel and dream cut away? Avexis: i no longer talk to dragons Mother Giselle: i see maker go with you It really makes me sad to see what happend to avexis really sucks...

@kallianpublico7517

4 жыл бұрын

What dragon age movie?

@DamienStarry0w0

4 жыл бұрын

@@kallianpublico7517 it's called dragon age dawn of the seeker its has a very good plot and fills us in on Cassandra's past as to how she became the right hand of Divine Beatrix III before She became the right hand of Divine Justinia V

@kallianpublico7517

4 жыл бұрын

@@DamienStarry0w0 is that a movie or one of the quests in Dragon age inquisition?

@DamienStarry0w0

4 жыл бұрын

@@kallianpublico7517 a movie

@kallianpublico7517

4 жыл бұрын

@@DamienStarry0w0 👌

Ameridan didn't have the Tranquil brand because he wasn't a Seeker, he was the leader of the Seekers, but not a Seeker himself, I believe he even says this himself directly to the Inquisitor or through a memory. He was put in charge of the Seekers (or maybe the Inquisition) because the Emperor needed someone he trusted and knew in the position.

@-SaintUK-

5 жыл бұрын

"Do the seekers not broker help from mages" he wasn't a seeker, please take cassandra with you if you haven't

I see Tranquility as worse than killing someone. It's like putting them into a waking coma.

I'm a little bugged about the Templar part. I was playing DAO again recently and Alistair points that taking Lyrium is not necessary to use templar abilities. It is said that Lyrium only makes the powers more efficient, and it is even suggested that this might only be a lie used by the chantry to keep templars on leash. This means Cassandra could very well have templar abilities without it being linked to the spirit's intervention or even the use of lyrium.

@BelieveIt1051

6 жыл бұрын

I think the writers explained that away as a gameplay issue, and that what Alistair said is not canon. They originally planned to have warriors consume lyrium potions to make templar abilities active, but they couldn't program it into the game properly. So they just made the templar spec unlockable through Alistair teaching you. Then they wrote that line for Alistair to explain why he and other warriors can use templar abilities without consuming lyrium. But as of Inquisition, the writers say lyrium is required for it. But who knows if this will change in the future.

@christiancloutier1511

6 жыл бұрын

It could be, and I wouldn't be suprised by it. But Alistair was still able to use his templar abilities in Those Who Speak without consuming any lyrium. So I suppose it wasn't only about game mechanics if the ability to use templar powers without consuming lyrium was kept in later comic issues. My guess would be that lyrium and spirit possession only affects the effiency of the templar abilities. I could also be absolutely wrong and it might be part of the changes brought to the lore of DAO, it wouldn't be the only one. I seem to recall that the writers regretted the 30 years span before the Calling, and wrote that it's actually a 10 to 15 years time laps after the Joining. I imagine the information we get in Inquisition is more accurate.

@haedrath

6 жыл бұрын

It's a valid question (about what Alistar said). While it may be explained away by developement issues with the game... what happens to templar who stop taking lyrium like Cullen (if you push him down that route)? Is he no longer able to perform templar abilities? I forget if this was answered in inquisition.

@RikuxBakura

4 жыл бұрын

@@haedrath He would be a commander unable to use his Templar abilities. But if you force him to keep using lyrium you're a horrible person. You are telling an addict to keep using the drug that's destroying him. He's still a super strong talented warrior without lyrium.

I did my best to play a "bloodless" Inquisitor. Granted, there's no way around most of the hundreds and hundreds of fights you have to go through, but whenever I got a choice - sugh as Sitting In Judgment - I would do my best to pick a penalty that did not take a life, but that did fit the crime. Additionally, I have nearly always played a mage. While I disagree with it as a punishment for most mages who are brought before me, it gave me no small amount of pleasure to sentence Magister Livius Erimond to Tranquility for what he did to the Grey Wardens...not least, because I finally got to watch that arrogant, smug sneer drop off his face at the thought of his actions having real consequences, that he would then have to live with.

@anderporascu5026

5 жыл бұрын

I wanted to do that too but didn't want to risk pissing off the mages until I realized you wouldn't if the mages knew the person who passed the sentence was a mage themselves. Hindsights, how they sneak up on you.

@smithingbear7522

2 жыл бұрын

Why him? The other Magister is the one that screwed with time. I didn't do it to either but if anyone deserves it it's mister time manipulator. I really don't like time manipulation.

Dwarves are not tranquil. They are not connected to the Fade but they are connected to something else. The rest of the world of DA just thinks the single source of all emotion has to be the Fade. Point in fact it seems all you need is a spirit. The Fade is just where spirits reside for the most part.

@-SaintUK-

5 жыл бұрын

Dwarves are connected to....spoilers Titans who are currently asleep hence their lack of connection to the fade. And considering titan blood (lyriam) is what can be used to enhance magical abilities it must have some connection to the fade as all magical beings do

@afgusti4269

3 жыл бұрын

@@-SaintUK- hell the foci come from Titans you bet there is some connection there

I got Asunder for Christmas and just read that part last night. It made me cry. Tranquility is one of my pet lore subjects, so thank you for making a video. Also, never apologize for your mabari in the background!

nad one more thing I thought about: Anders, with the possession of Justice/Vengance, is forever immune to Tranquility

I believe the brand is just part of the Templars cruelty since we see Tranquils in Origins without the band, only in DA2 and Inquisition we see them with the Brand, so it is likely that it differs from region/Circle to region/Circle.

I wonder if we'll get a quest in a following game about curing a tranquil (possible Cassandra cameo) and( if you make him a spirit) if the spirit you talk into touching the mind could be Cole. Another spirit could stand in Stroud style if you make him human and what Cole cameo you get could be conditional

@Levsa399

6 жыл бұрын

Cristina Garcia I NEED IT LIKE AIR!!! What if the Tranquil you cure is Felassan?

@ashtonpeterson4618

2 жыл бұрын

The idea of Cole being able to heal tranquil is a cool one. The only thing is though, is that while he is a spirit (if you chose that quest line option) he's still in the physical world. I would imagine the spirit/"demon" would need to be in the Fade to connect the mind to the Fade again.

I've only read quotes from Asunder so maybe there's more that contradicts this, but it seems to me that Pharamond was having a perfectly normal trauma response that was used against him. He was cured in traumatic circumstances and then people kept talking about making him Tranquil again-it's not surprising that he might be "overemotional." I suspect that if a mage were cured under controlled circumstances (i.e. by a benevolent spirit) and given time to process it, they wouldn't be any more dangerous than any other mage.

i think the mages are turned into tranquils in a different way, the seekers meditate but some mages are forced into tranquility and i doubt a mage that was locked in a room agaist its will, is going to sit and meditate.

Doesn’t the quest involving “Lord Woolsley” indicate even further that demons or spirits in general if they cared enough could posses anyone, they simply choose not to unless they’re coaxed into doing so more or less?

I love the term, Dreamslain. This is the first time I’ve heard it and it’s perfect.

Regarding the others dying the Fade and not being "tranquilized", remember that everyone else is a visitor to Feynriel's dream. It's probable that killing a dream visitor merely evicts them, while killing a dreamer in their own dream has a more potent reaction, either rendering the person or, potentially, allowing for demonic possession (if slain by a demon).

I often think, when I am playing Inquisition, that the chantry will decide to make the rebel mages tranquil because of their treachery. As well as the chaos that the war caused. Then I begin to wonder about the Templars.

@vermilion6966

4 жыл бұрын

will be pretty freaking hard at this point since about 90% of them are rebels

If the veil were to collapse and Thedas would be filled with magic and spirits again, would that cure or affect tranquil in any way? The temporary cure that carl got was caused due to being close to the fade/ justice, so if the veil came down all tranquil would be close to the fade and spirits constantly (maybe?) and that would cure them. That would explain why we don't know any elven similar ritual, because in their time, pre veil, they were unable to create tranquility Does that sound right?

@LeonGun8

6 жыл бұрын

Pretty much, Tranquility was impossible because they WERE in the Fade, there was no distinction.

@thatboringone7851

6 жыл бұрын

Something tells me this'll show up in DA4. Chances are they won't throw away an opportunity to flare up the Templar vs Mage debate both in-universe and in the fandom.

@flamesofchaos13

6 жыл бұрын

ThatBoringOne No the Templars and Magi should take the fucking backseat! It's time for the Qunari, Tevinter, Wardens and Hedge Mages to shine! Oh an some more Elfy stuff like the Evanuris and Forbidden/Forgotten plus Solas, We should also be getting the Awakened Darkspawn back again too! Plus the Titans and Old Gods/Archdemons! Do you see how many things/factions they should focus on instead of the Templars and Magi problem that's been resolved?!

@thatboringone7851

6 жыл бұрын

Flames Of Chaos Why are you ranting at me for things I never said? I didn't say that this would be or should be the main focus of the next game, I said I bet they'll bring up more about the nature of the tranquil (as Solas will be trying to destroy the veil, and the tranquil seem to be effected by it), which will ignite the mage/templar debate, something the series loves to do. The mage/templar debate won't end just because of the inquisition, it didn't end the debate in the fandom and it won't in the game because the main issues people have in that debate weren't resolved. The conflict was there since the first game and the last two games had it as a central theme. It will continue to be an issue in the series (and for fans) whether or not it remains a central theme or one they focus on.

@flamesofchaos13

6 жыл бұрын

ThatBoringOne Oh sorry you've taken what I said so seriously I didn't mean for you to. But if you want serious then simply the "Debate" can focus on the Qunari and Tevinter each representing Anti-Magic and Pro-Magic within the course of the main plot instead of the Circle Magi and Templars. The Titans and Evanuris can fit into this role as well given I believe their pretty much the Original Templars and Magi both. With the entire goal of the Titans trying to keep Ancient Magic in check while also trying to keep the Veil up, Where the Evanuris are obviously gonna be the most extreme kind of Magi we'll ever encounter given their gonna most likely try to retake possession of the Elves through Magical enslavement. Then there's Solas with his plans to take out the Veil which has been heavily hinted at that if he does everyone will then receive Magic in some form or another. If this is true then everyone will become Mages or some form of Magic Wielder which will then effect the entire story and factions plus the Fandom, Given Magic will have won if Solas wins though it's a win from an extremist so there's gonna be a catch....You know the mass genocide bit that everyone wants to forget despite it proving that Solas is the next main Villain and that's gonna definitely come into play within the main plot of DA4. Then the Grey Wardens are the perfect example of both Magical Accomplishments *AND* Magical Corruption so there's actually no better Faction to focus on when it comes to whether Magic is Evil or Not then them. They're created through a Blood Ritual, They let Blood Mages into their Ranks, Willingly let their Magi wander about unsupervised, Used Demonic Rituals to keep Corypheus at bay....What other Magical Dealings do you think they've done? Because I guarantee we know nothing about the Grey Wardens Darker Side yet. It's even hinted at the end of Inquisition that they've gone silent...Why? I believe maybe Loghain was right after seeing how the Grey Wardens operate in Orlais and the Free Marches....I think the Grey Wardens are probably Evil or Corrupt with some ulterior motives. If so their definitely gonna use some Magic to get things done....Which will lead to the "Debate" again. But like I said in the North parts of Thedas the Qunari and Tevinter can actually do a much better role of showing how society is affected by Magic or the lack there of and how it divides entire peoples. Given one Society is run by Magic with the belief of it's Holiness, While the other is an Society with the principle belief that Magic is a curse meant to be eradicated. Trust me the Circle Magi and Templars weren't the end of the Debate at all their actually just stepping stones compared to all the Northern Factions and the Ancient ones too. We don't need them to see this Debate go further in fact we should ditch them to see things from the other and/or more extreme sides of the coin. It's time we learn and see things from the Qunari, Tevinter, Ancient Elves, Titans, Hedge Mages of Rivain, Grey Wardens(The Real ones in the Anderfels), Dragon Hunters...ETC Points of view instead.

I don't usually comment but I love your content.

I'd say dwarfs are somehow protected from tranquility by the titan connection.

@Lilith38252

6 жыл бұрын

I think it could be that the titans/lyrium are the "spiritual" part of dwarves. Here's a couple theories I just thought up: Perhaps dwarves aren't tranquil because their magic is still technically in the same world/dimension. Either the Stone is so set in the physical world that even when the Veil was created its magic couldn't be banished, or Mythal turned titans into dwarves, essentially creating an equivalent of the Veil exclusive to them in order to weaken the titans. Either way, magic was still separated from dwarves, but instead it was sealed in stone/lyrium, and that is why dwarven culture has such a hive-mind tendency, and why Dagna said that she could think all the thoughts. Perhaps all dwarves are connected, in the sense that all of their magic/dream capabilities got pooled into the same place at some point in time (or maybe each Thaig is made from a titan). I just tried and failed to find the codex entry where I think it's Mythal describing the dwarves as "little stones". If that's the case, that means dwarves were already dwarves before Solas created the Veil, which makes me more prone to believe it could be Mythal, or the result of some other fight between titans and surfacers.

I would LOVE it if you did a whole video on Felassan, because I'm fairly certain he's still alive. We know Solas killed him in the Fade, and I think he might show up in DA4!

Ameriden never became a seeker, only appointed the leader of the seekers. Also, on regards to the Dreamslane and the Avvar. The Auger makes reference to how the Avvar and hold gods deal with Avvar mages that do not release thier spirit teacher. I have the video of the augar saying that if the mages or God's become sick or twisted, one day, the mages just 'dont wake up' therefore implying either the hold gods kill the twisted god/mage consciousness in the fade, or the Avvar kill the twisted mages possessed body while it sleeps or even perhaps both. I really love your videos and am actually super pumped to be able to clarify something, because errors in your kids are so rare! I have a channel too, and make da vids as well as have probably close to 1000 hrs of gameplay, banter and flycam so if you ever need something let me know!!!

I wonder if the "temple of pride" opened by those shards will be relevant in future DA games...

@BelieveIt1051

6 жыл бұрын

It wasn't even relevant to its own game.

@l0ker507

6 жыл бұрын

BelieveIt1051 Then why is there the option in the dragon age keep for opening it or not?

@flamesofchaos13

6 жыл бұрын

Mous3 Why is there the option of saving Dog or not when no where in Inquisition is it brought up? Because Bioware does what Bioware does Logic need not apply.

@valkyrie6691

6 жыл бұрын

@@flamesofchaos13 actually saving dog might be brought up when the HoF is brought up because the dog might have the cure for the Blight (theory)

Experience Tranquility

@YoshtTheAwesome

6 жыл бұрын

And if you get cured you feel like you Experienced Oblivion.

@Levsa399

6 жыл бұрын

No! Bad Zenyatta, this is bad tranquility!

My theory is that elven Vallaslin was originally a way of using lyrium to brand the gods' followers into tranquility and making them more compliant.

I'm currently reading the dragon age books and I just got past the part in book 3 where that elf cures his tranquility by having a demon touch him (and later possessing) and this explains why the seekers want him dead now

One of the most tragic bits of dialogue in dai in my opinion is when mother giselle is talking to a tranquil in haven that says something along the lines of not wanting to be cured of being tranquil because the things that happened to her as a tranquil would be too much for her. 😢

Tranquility sounds like ego death while on psychedelics

Cassandra's brand is in the lower wards near the bottom

On the topic of the Tranquil branding, I think its done for 2 purposes. 1. To show others they are tranquil (so there is no speculation, and also that they are safe)(as others is uneasy around tranquil, I can imagine before the branding there was alot of tranquil being slain by superstitious farmers). 2. Caste system.

I wonder if a possible ending for Solas in DA4 will be tranquility. Somehow reach him in his dreams and slay him there. Seems like an extremely cruel fate for him.

Coming back to this in 2024 for research purposes and hearing "Let's hope 2018 brings that Dragon Age 4 trailer we all want so badly" is so funny and sad dslkfjdlojsdfkl good news though, we finally have it hahaha

The fact that you use the music from the games makes listening to this information much more enjoyable. Thank you.

What if Alistair unintentionally became a Seeker, and still doesnt know it?

So seeing as how Felassan is killed in the Fade, would that make him tranquil? They do speak in Trespasser about how he needed to die but would that be in a literal sense or a "tranquil" sense?

@Levsa399

6 жыл бұрын

Jirelle I haven’t read the book yet, but I heard another theory video that said he was still alive, but tranquil, because he was killed in the fade.

Listening to this in 2022 and hearing you say that you hope there'll be a trailer in 2018 made me wince

0_0 damn wasn't expecting cassan-ditties lol

Anybody else find it ironic that the Seekers of Truth is an organization that is steeped in secrecy?

@LeonGun8

6 жыл бұрын

They are the Seekers of Truth because their job is to be neutral arbitrators of the Chantry law who must find the truth in all incidents and dispense justice. Templars were known to hate them with a passion because they were the only institution that could challenge them without fearing repercussion. Of course, that also means that for them to be able to challenge any organization, they couldn't let others grab hold of their own secrets and blunders. As such, they are the only Chantry organization which was known to hide secrets, yet not punished for it. Basically,it was a "necessary evil". This of course meant that Seekers were heavily distrusted by both Circle authorities and Chantry authorities and even rulers of nations were wary of their activities.

Hold on. If being around Justice brought Karl back even briefly why doesn’t Cole affect the tranquil in the library? I guess he just never goes in there/is never drawn to her because she is no longer capable of feeling distress, and everyone else is so used to Tranquil that they don’t give her situation a second thought. That’s fucked up.

Remember what sandals said in Dragon Age 2 the magic would come back all of it

It would be interesting to see Feynriel in the next DA-game. Trepasser hinted at a Tevinter-centered future game and if Feynriel lives in DA:2 he can travel to Tevinter to learn to control his abilities. Could be interesting if he showed up again as a sort of advisor about Dreamers and maybe even as a helper to deal with another Dreamer - Solas - within the Fade.

Interestingly there’s something like this in the Wheel of Time series. Called either Stilled or Gentled which cuts one off from the One Power.

as long the mage didnt get possessed its hard to imagine their would gain much throw this riual unless it could give them dreamer abilitys ... not sure.. more problematic than having strong mages like Wynne, Anders, might be to have all the angry souls from the dead tranquilized mages around if the vail falls down ^^

Hey, love your videos, could you make one about the Mage/Templar War?

It’s a seal, tranquility brand or the lyrium brand is a seal that can be broken

Take a shot everytime she says "tranquil".

I don’t see tranquility as a bad thing I understand why it’s used and needed the problems between the circles and chantry are created by prejudice from members of the chantry they moved away from andrastes message and when you make someone feel like they are evil they will eventually act like it

If someone can be made tranquil by beeing slain in your dream, for those who can be contious there, and cured by beeing touched by a spirit/getting to close to the fade doesn't it would mean that a tranquil simply doesn't have a spirit and the rite simply cut it from their body? And that's why Dwarves have a personality even though they have no connection to the fade?

It would be interesting and fun to have a mage companion who was tranquil but got their magic back and still learning how to do things. They might already develop a new skills and magic (maybe more connected to spirits) and gain the ability to commmune with spirits. Not quite Solas level but have a bright eyed and bushy tail former tranquil learning and befriending spirits that helps the group. Cooler if the devs allow us to play a mage that got cured (with chossing backstory that deteremines gameplay) would be fun but won't happen. I do want to know if Teventiar has tranquil or not?

I have always assumed the reason why Dwarves do not become Tranquil is because they never had the connection in the first place. In order to become one you need to have that connection to the fade severed.

PERFECT VIDEO LIKE ALWAYS

Well...we got a teaser trailer for the next game so...your wish kind of came true!

I think that there two ways to view the effects Tranquility. The Lyrium brand style I believe temporary blocks one from the Fade. When you are “touched” by a being of the Fade, daemon or sprit your connection is brought back. The door is reopened or a new bridge so to speak is made connecting you again. Maybe when this happens for mages the new link is much stronger then the last and non-mages are able to gain powers similar to a Templar that can alter the Fade in a different way. Another way I view this is with Templar’s the way they get their power from drinking Lyirum. Maybe this works like magical drugs so to speak. When they drink the Lyirum it makes them perceived reality or the Fade in a different then a mage or everybody else does also strengthening the connection as well. The reason why when mages used Lyirum too much it is dangerous because the Lyirum heightens their view of the Fade an cause an “overdose”. When a non-mage Tranquil is cured of Tranquillity they gain the power of a Templar at least from what we saw from Seekers. Maybe becoming Tranquil makes you see reality and/or the Fade in a different way and with this knowledge a mage can have greater power and a non-mage obtains the power to use the Fade but in a way that is different from a mage. I do hope we can get some info on how this works is the next game.

10:54 errr... dream slain... as in: killed in the dream (read: the fade), which as you said yourself renders the mage in question tranquil. So no, it's not a new form of tranquility, and since they know how a dream slain/tranquil behaves, why should they adopt the circle term for the same thing they already have a name for?

That last point got me excited for DA4

just to this moment i didn't knew there was nudity in this game and i played it like 3-4 times. at first i thought it was some kind of mod. after all these years this game can still surprise me

this is a theory (and it seems obvious so I'm sorry if you've heard or thought of this before) but in order to become tranquil they must mediate and try to become pure this may mean that the ritual is very strict. This may show in their diet being strictly limited or they fast, they wear robes of a specific type, and their hair may be cut in a certain way (Tonsured) or completely shaved off. This may mean that the seekers are branded but under the hair at the back or top of the head were they normally wouldn't see it. Also since this is a long drawn out ritual it is also possible that after the tranquility is broken the seekers are allowed to grow their hair in but still must maintain other aspects slowly weaning them off (and making sure nothing went wrong like being touched by a demon or loss of emotional control) before introducing them back into the order. this then leans into the fact that Cassandra and the others will never know they were branded as it could have been placed their while cutting the hair or during another aspect of the ritual without their knowledge. We also never see a bald seeker. this would help to explain why the seekers don't know they were made tranquil during the ritual as they would never see or know that they were branded with a tranquility brand. As for the dwarves its probably due to their extremely close relationship with lyrium which is both related to the rite of tranquility and magic/the fade as well. Maybe the dwarves are in essence so intrinsically tied to lyric that its their equivalent to the fade. since the dwarves are the children of titans and the titan's blood is lyrium(?) then its possible that dwarves were lyrium idols or some other lyrium creations that either came in touch with the fade or due to lyrium's magical properties some other magical wish wash as such they aren't connected to the fade in any sort of way but still have their personalities intact. (this could also be why dwarves can be made into golems or more aptly smaller versions of titans) This would help explain why the tranquil are able to handle lyrium as they have been stripped away from the fade and given a lyrium brand to enforce this. Thus they lose their personality as humans and especially elves are beings that originate from the fade(?) and are intrinsically connected to it. This is also related to why templars take lyrium as it doesn't mix well with the fade and thus forces it out cutting off a mage's connection with the fade for a short amount of time. This can also explain why people become addicted and mad due to prolonged use or proximity to lyrium as it slowly separates them from the fade taking with it their personality, sanity, and dreams (as Cullen points in DAI the lyrium helps him forget and gives him better or no dreams). thus they have to replace this lost personality with more lyrium however while it does help humans and elves aren't connected to lyrium so the damage is done causing more and more of their fade connection to be lost. thus they lose themselves becoming nothing more than husks of people in essence tranquil themselves (as Cullen points out in DA2 or DAI the older templars who lose or lost themselves are taken care of by the templar order or chantry)

Dwarves can dream... I think. Your warden dreams in origins. It's about the arch demon though.

7:40 When you realize that becoming tranquil is similar to having autism

I believe that all people that connect to the fade are found in two parts - the part that exists in the waking world, and the part that exists in the fade. When you perform the rite of tranquility, I believe that this splits the conscious being (from the waking world) and the spirit. Because mage's magic is from the fade, splitting these apart (or putting a block between) stops them from using magic. This also implies that the spirit is where the emotion of a person comes from, but that does lead to questions about dwarves. The other side of this, though, is that if you split a spirit from the consciousness, what happens to the spirit? It seems that, as tranquility can be cured, the spirit must remain attached to the conscious body. So I believe that traditional tranquility simply puts a blockade between the conscious mind and the spirit, and therefore this blockade can simply be removed in the reversal. However, when a dreamer is killed in the fade, the spirit no longer exists and therefore reversal is not possible On dreamers, perhaps, that a normal person's spirit is not wholly unconnected from their consciousness, whereas a dreamer's spirit is able to completely separate itself. So when a normal person is killed in the fade, as their spirit was still connected to their consciousness (and therefore not wholly occupying the fade) it would just boomerang back, but a dreamer's spirit would not be able to do so in its final moments, rendering the dreamer tranquil. One thought though, if killing a dreamer's spirit while in the fade causes them to become tranquil, what does killing their body (and therefore their consciousness do). I believe that spirits and demons may possibly be people who've been severed from their consciousness - the fade version of themselves, perhaps dating back to the fall of Arlathan (perhaps at the time the block was put between the fade and the waking world - what of those in eternal sleep? What of the dreamers? What of those who died at that, exact moment - could they perhaps have got their spirits stuck in the fade with no where to go).

Merrills keeper is also a dreamer

As for we Avatar referring to tranquility as "dreamslain", I suppose there must have been a couple of mages that died while dreaming in the fade during their long history. They'd maybe have remembered dying in their dream or simply were given the name because they went to bed one night with magic and woke up the next day without. It's surely a weird and unusual enough event to make its way into lore.

I really think people have under estimated the Avvar, they’re religion is suspiciously close to most of the elven stories we here through the games just with a hint of Viking, but when you compare the lore we can find with their faith it’s kinda scary how much they know about spirits and the fade

I doubt they branded Cassandra, as she described the Vigil as a year of fasting and prayer, focusing on the purity of their faith and then Poof! you're a Seeker. And she didn't even mention it when talking about the Seekers' book. She said she was made Tranquil and didn't know it but it seems to me that if they were branded, they would wonder at the purpose of it. The only think I can think of is that it has something to do with the location of the Vigil, since the Seekers most likely have holdings where they isolate the recruits undergoing the ritual. It would make sense that they would abandon the branding once they got permanent holdings, which they could possibly use to achieve the same result.

@LeonGun8

6 жыл бұрын

It'spossible the lyrium branding is either a visual cue to identify a Tranquil at sight, or just a shortcut to achieve Tranquility faster in mages, as they are not interested in the process of attracting a Spirit, but instead the very act of severing the mind from the Fade.

Kinda felt bad for the tranquils the have no emotions or magic so basically they r a walking and talking husk but they do have there use

It would seem that all people, except dwarves, exist partially in the material world, and partially in the fade. Lyrium can disrupt that connection, whether to disrupt magic as used used by Templars, which is drawn from the fade. Possibly cement aspects of the fade to create magic item's, like keeping them as per the nature of the material world while they would change in the fade. And to castrate a part of a person from their part on the Fade. In overcoming that barrier created by the castration, gives a Seeker an ability to disrupt that barrier themselves to stop magic from the magical world. A mage does not gain that ability because they exist a bit more spiritually on the side of the Fade, it would be like trying to close a door when the handle can only be on the other side. While the assumption is that all emotions of a person exist only on the side of the Fade, this is not entirely correct. It would seem that least for humans. Their faith can stay on the material side, which is why a Faith spirit can still be drawn. Dwarves don't exist at least as much on the Fade, do disruption does not affect them as much. They may not even change much if they were castrated from it (made tranquil). Although there may be some question over how a certain dwarves enchanted may fit in. He might be something along the lines of one made tranquil, he was found with lyrium, but got touched by a spirit. Overloaded on emotion, but a mastery of disrupting things from the Fade.

There's a third tranquil who describes what it's like as well. He is next to the mage's chest at Ostagar in DAO. Your Warden can hold a conversation with him about it. Also: Could not the Avvar calling tranquil "dream-slain" mean what you mentioned earlier - that there are two ways to be made tranquil, but the only tranquil whose skulls can be used for the oculara are those who are made tranquil by slaying them in the Fade while they're dreaming (like Hawke can choose to do to Feynriel in DA2)? That's the first thing that I thought of when you said "dream-slain" since Feynriel was indeed dreaming (or caught in a nightmare) at the time. My only beef with this possibility is, what of your companions in DA2 who accept the demons' offers and turn on you in the Fade, that you then have to - well, I just call it this - Fade-kill? Are we dreamers when Marethari sends us in with her Dalish ritual or are we in there some other way? Clearly, we're in there well enough that we're capable of truly slaying Feynriel's Fade self, which I'm guessing is...his soul? Remember that if you do slay him, later on you'll find the physical flesh-and-blood Feynriel in the Gallows courtyard sporting the same chantry brand. Or maybe that's only if you had sent him to the Circle rather than the Dalish, I dunno. There are so many layers to this one little thing that it's crazy-making! All of this, of course, also raises the question about physically being in the Fade like we are in DAI. What happens if your real-world self gets killed in the Fade, which is a dreaming place? Heck, even Solas can't go in there physically without the Inquisitor opening a rift. That might go some ways towards explaining potential outcomes for whoever the Inquisitor leaves behind in the Fade.

2017.... damn time goes by too quickly. It feels like just yesterday this game (inquisition) had just come out.

Considering how the Tranquil are abused and how some of the Templars were using the Rite to turn Mages into sex slaves (I'm looking at you Alrik, you sick fuck😡😡😡) I'd say that any cured Tranquil would have every right to be pissed.

@flamesofchaos13

6 жыл бұрын

Yes they have the right to be pissed but they shouldn't seek vengeance given well....I'm looking at how Anders and Justice turned out. Plus they should also note it's a Seeker herself that wants to Cure them. Both Templars *AND* Magi are Evil Organizations in my book. I think the ones who are most right about Magic are the Avvar and Dalish.

@molliethomas2585

6 жыл бұрын

Flames Of Chaos yeah I'm with you on the Avvar and Dalish, and Anders is a good cautionary tale. Let's just hope that as BioWare advances the timeline we get some effective people on all sides who can act as the voices of reason.

@flamesofchaos13

6 жыл бұрын

Mollie Thomas Chantry- Leliana, Cassandra, Giselle. Templars- Cullen, Delrin Barris, Evangeline. Magi- Wynne, Rhys, Bethany if Circle Magi. We've already seen voices of reason on all sides in all three games. If you're speaking of every faction well here's one for every single major faction and a few minor. Tevinter- Dorian Qunari- Tallis Grey Wardens- Duncan or The Warden Seekers- Also Cassandra Sentinel Elves- Abelas Antivan Crows- Zevran First Inquisition- Ameridan Dalish- Also Ameridan Avvar- Amund Dwarves- Oghren Surface Caste Dwarves- The one and only beardless Dwarf I need not name given his very legend is well known active history!

What if someone put a dwarf through the rite? what if a dwarf tried to become a seeker? would their already nonexistent connection prevent both?

The rightful question tho. Why didn’t Cole’s presence help tranquil? He’s a spirit. The most connected to the fade being that we know. It’s really curious

@Gringo7213

4 жыл бұрын

Because he is not touching their mind is my guess

Always end up using tranquility on that second tevinter aristocrat in inquisition... he's so damn smyg about every punishment you dole out, but tranquility breaks him amd I'd say he's one of the few deserving of it... guess the same is probably true for a lot of tevinter upper classes mages

I think it's more like DNA magic is natural in some and other have to train to get abilities. It's like a mage is an elemental magic in a physical body and seekers and templars are cultist that gain abilities by making contracts with supernatural Force's why would a demon or sprite touch a mage when they already have magic. Now if tranquility was given to humans by an elf could tranquility have been a way for a mage to increase in level

I just noticed the tranquil brand looks like lady Amalthea's forehead mark in The Last Unicorn

Watching this at the end of 2018 and still no da4 announcement:(

What confuses me is what the Lyrium mark is actually for. Doesn't Lyrium work as a connector to the Fade?

What would happen if the lyrium used in the brand was red lyrium? How would that change the end result?

That means if you let Cole stay more spirit, he could heal triangular.

I don't like that Seekers are able to use Templar abilities without having to deal with the neurotoxic effects of Lyrium. It seems like a cop-out to me, and not very logical. Why would the touch of a spirit, an inherently magical being, give you permanent abilities to "deny magic"??

@nvfury13

6 жыл бұрын

vats1955 As pointed out in the games Lyrium is *not* required to use Templar abilities. Seeker abilities in lore are somewhat different than Templar ones, Templars absorbing (Lyrium)(or negating by "grounding")magic to power their abilities and Seekers not needing the magic tossed at them to use the abilities or to suppress magic.

So did Ameridan had bothe the abilities of a mage and seeker?

I like Owain's description of what it was like to be made tranquil in which he felt like he was being plunged into a pool of ice-cold water which might be an allusion to hydrotherapy conducted on mentally ill patients and more so on those who were bi-polar or too "excited" because the cold water decreased their mental and physical activity. Sounds a lot like a decrease in ambition to me with the only difference is that tranquility is a full on lobotomy. As for the dwarves able to keep their personalities it could simply mean that their Titan keeps them more grounded? What interest me though is that the resistance to lyrium that Tranquil get which makes me wonder if this also applies to red lyrium like it does for Seekers. Maddox was clearly able to work with it for a long time, but I just assumed that his corruption was being delayed like Samson.

@dairoleon2682

6 жыл бұрын

It sounds more like Ritalin and similar drugs to me. The kind that are prescribed with the justification of "trendy" mental illness diagnoses. Those tend to have pretty severe effects on those who are misdiagnosed and are made to take the drugs anyway.

TBh THIS could have been what happened to Anders. Maybe some ill willing person caught him after Awakeing when he was still weak from battle, made him tranquill and then Justice went out to find him and was force bound to him because his vessel was empty so to speak.

it is a clever plot that seekers have been abusing tranquility.

New dragon age player here why is it that the dwarves are not connected to the fade

Why don't the seekers have the chantry mark when they were made tranquil?

A small note; Tranquil will not just do whatever they are told. If the orders they are given are not the most logical course of action, they will not take it. They are not zombies. They are computers.

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So why are Dwarves completely cut off from the Fade and Magic? I thought that'd be impossible somehow.

I wonder if Cole could cure tranquil

Is possible the Seekers can’t get possessed because they’re already possessed just not by a demon but the said spirits of faith. Unlike a demon it doesn’t assume control it exist inside to protect the seeker and lend them their power?

HEY GUUURL

What’s the difference between a Templar and a seeker? They sound very similar to me. Don’t they serve the same functions in keeping mages in line?

@Missrena1000

6 жыл бұрын

Antman Sweden thank you. The terminology can get confusing with the lack of information provided

@shanewebb5561

6 жыл бұрын

Missrena1000 Templars are lyrium addicts, seekers are not.

@vermilion6966

4 жыл бұрын

Seekers are Templars on steroids.

you said if a non dreamer (those are only dwarves and tranquil if I am not mistaken) dies in the fade they just wake up. But I thought they don’t dream so how do they end up in the fade in the first place?

@GhilDirthalen

3 жыл бұрын

The problem here is that the ‘dreamer’ I was talking about is a special term! Dreamers (with a capital) in DA are mages that, while dreaming, can manipulate the fade to their will with ease and know that they are in the fade. Think lucid dreamers. So what I meant was people who don’t have this ability wake up when killed in the fade. Sort of- an exception to this belief has happened since this video was released, but we don’t know enough about it yet.

@REALdavidmiscarriage

3 жыл бұрын

@@GhilDirthalen Oh of course, silly me I forgot about that term! so you were basically talking about sleepers or Soporati (in Tevene). Does this mean Tranquil and dwarves can still dream but are not lucid? how about any non magically talented humans elves or qunari? Sounds interesting eager to learn more about this exception you mentioned, whenever you find out more.

@GhilDirthalen

3 жыл бұрын

It happens in the new novel, Tevinter Nights, so it will probably be awhile before we know more!

@OrionJA

2 жыл бұрын

@@REALdavidmiscarriage The Vints call the mage-Dreamers Somniari, "Soporati" is their word for non-mages.

@REALdavidmiscarriage

2 жыл бұрын

@@OrionJA I am aware of this but thanks

Ok i see it clearly now it's all one big lie tranquility is Buddhism in one quick go by getting rid if your humanity in which the demons feed off of emotional energy would die in a empty host but a good spirit or god could thrive in such a pure n cleansed soul which is y when justice made contact the soul had another source of energy to run on which brought his mind back from the fade for a short time if anders used another spirit or supplied the magic his lover would have lived

dwarves arent tranquil because they werent cretaed by whatever created elves, humans, qunari ect, they were created by titans, dwarves are a- for lack of a better word- man/titian-made

11:27 :))