GUYS I didn't trade the C5 for the C4 for good, it was merely a swap for a few days to try it out. I STILL have the C5 and here's the latest on it; kzread.info/dash/bejne/f4Cmso-YdtfVl9o.html

@sunspot478

17 күн бұрын

For a pristine ZR-1, I would have traded it for good.

@InternalCombustion

3 күн бұрын

Lame

I ordered one new and waited 18 months for it to arrive at the dealership. I had a 6 year lease with a $20k buy out option. I then got a 3 year loan to pay the buy out. 9 years of huge payments! LOL I still own it and will never finance a car again. It is still a monster. I love this video!

I think there were parts of this video that were lifted DIRECTLY from Jason Cammisa's Hagerty, especially in the first few minutes. Having said that, the side on shot on the ZR-1 at 1:23 is - BY FAR - the most amazing shot of a ZR-1 I've ever had the pleasure to watch. That was pretty awesome. And the sound of that engine and the stock exhaust is truly magical. Why anyone would want to change that exhaust is completely beyond me. The LT5 has a sound like no other engine ever built. And did you notice when you were revving it... No flames shooting out the exhaust... no backfiring. None of that stupid racer boy bullshit. Just a perfect sports car. Divine.

Welcome to the KOTH club, it was a true super car back in its day. Do not fear the rarity of finding engine parts for the car, if the car was well taken care of that engine is bulletproof. Take good care of the car and it’ll take good care of you, take it from someone that has driven/owned many different brands of cars, including Italian exotics, like Ferrari and Lamborghini, when I drive my 91 ZR1 it’s an unparalleled experience, I love it. Best of luck and happy motoring.

@tayvenwilliams8156

4 ай бұрын

Thoughts on a 1992 c4 corvette? Its an automatic with about 111,000 miles and I think Imma buy it.

@wallyr.7854

4 ай бұрын

@@tayvenwilliams8156 great starter cars, easy to work on, parts are readily available (if you get the non-ZR1 version that is) and just make sure it has a good service history.

@tristanodato2331

4 ай бұрын

@@tayvenwilliams8156absolutely not😂

Good Video. I owned a 1990 Corvette ZR1 for 32 years - one owner. It became a Lingenfelter (LPE) ZR-1 in 2004. 586 HP on Lingenfelter dyno. Donated to father of LT5 in 2022.

Sounds like a good Hagerty video with Jason Camisa.

I just traded my C5 Z06 for a red tan leather 90 ZR-1! I pick it up Saturday I can’t wait 👍

Having owned a 1990 ZR1 for nearly 18 years honestly I didn't really like the car very much. I was always afraid that if I ever had to repair it for what ever reason I would have to mortgage my life to afford the repairs. By the time I sold it I was old enough, (in my 70s) that I couldn't hardly get in and out of the car. AND that is the LAST Corvette I will ever own.

Tilted back radiator doesn’t mean squat when you have a front plate. That’s 90% of the reason why many states and provinces require front plates: it’s a giant radar reflector.

@Yakub9812

4 ай бұрын

Why would you ever put a front plate on a vette?

@overbuiltlimited

2 ай бұрын

​@@Yakub9812 Why would you put a front plate on ANY vehicle?

ya dude! I have a 19 ZR1 with the wing and now I just bought a 91 ZR1 with 9K miles on it! Can’t wait to get it! Love your vid!

Loving the new video format. Definitely along for the ride with your channel.

You said that it had the highest skid pad results ever, but you didn't say that this car was the FIRST CAR TO GET TO 1G on the skid pad!!!

@kylescaggs

10 ай бұрын

The ZR-1 wasn't the 1G car, that was the 1984 Z51 cars

Thank you for making my day ,almost bought one but couldn’t make the deal. Still a heartfelt desire.

KING OF THE HILL I always wanted one of those. Great video well edited The only problem with owning one now very hard to get parts I still love them.

@Rogerzr1

10 ай бұрын

Not true.

@ErikDB6

5 ай бұрын

Parts availability is great. Fantastic aftermarket support

Great stuff. Funny stuff. Interesting material.

2 things: HP was rated as Net not gross then, so it isn't the same. Second, the top speed was much higher. All the marketing materials said, "life begins at 185". I had a brand new 91 ZR-1 in Torch Red with Black interior. Bought in 92 , these things sat at dealers being twice the price of a regular car. It was amazing and sounded exotic.

Great episode. Awesome car.

Has a rock solid drive train, good buy bud.

I have a 1996 LT1. C4 corvettes rock !!

My best friend bought a ZR1 new back in 92. He had Lingenfelter heads and tune put on it plus the cats are deleted. He gave me a ride from hell about 15 years ago and it was disgustingly fast. I know because I own a 2014 Shelby GT 500. He's let it just sit the last decade or so with a leaky water pump. He's lost interest in the car and knows its resale value is disappointing. I came close to buying a used 93 yellow ZR1 but got turned off by the price of powertrain parts, delaminating ZR1 windshields, the Tokyo by night instrument display, and Leggos dash assembly. The Zeds are an amazing period piece nonetheless and I hope they are treasured accordingly.

Great video, just one small note which it seems all but the most devoted Corvette enthusiasts seem to not realize. The C4 was not a fiberglass body. In fact Corvettes have NOT had a FIBERGLASS body since 1972. Starting in 1973 Corvette bodies have been made from SMC and Carbon Fiber for some later model body parts.

Very well made video here. The C4 was a vette of my youth so I had to own a few of them (still have one) and know them inside out. The ZR1 was very significant in it's time and that can't be understated enough. It was the first car to really restore the HP levels of the 60's and made the magazine rounds with those '89 media examples that Dave McLellan paraded out in Europe to great success. The way I remember it going down at the time was it took an extra model year to get them out to the public and that created a feeding frenzy where they were selling for much more than the sticker price selling around the six figure mark. I think what doomed them is they were late to market, the styling did not differentiate then enough from the base model (especially after 1991), and the introduction of the Dodge Viper. The Viper was so over the top with the 60's styling and power, it totally stole the thunder from the ZR1. A few other things was the GM power train division got complacent with the small block and the ZR1 gave them a wake up call to get in some development time in resulting in the LT1, LT4, and LS1. I got a L98 convertible running in the low 13's easy with minor modifications at PBIR raceway so the business case for the LT5 was probably not a good one. Videos are up on youtube somewhere. Lastly I own a Porsche 911 from this era and for a serious drivers machine, Chevy wasn't going to convert those buyers due to the poorly redesigned gauge cluster and the "sill" making the interior a less inviting space than the 911. The ZR1 lost money for all of those investment types but is a bargain today and a very special car. You have a keeper right there.

….and yes I am jealous. I was old enough to read reviews when the ZR1 came out. Very cool car still. Crazy that some pretty basic modern Mustangs have more power than the 90s ZR1

@itsjamilagain

9 ай бұрын

HP doesn't tell the whole story. The standard LT1 is as quick as a modern V6 Mustang, and with better handling. I'm only a hair slower than GTs on the street in my LT1, but I'm sure some of that comes down to driver.

Nice job! One of your best videos in a while! Keep ‘em coming, bro!

Hey, what’s up bud? Nice Corvett keep on making videos I like watching them.

I love that first c4 that pulled in

Damn you just made me wanna keep my C4.

Great video!!!

I love your video its christmas !!!! RAAAAAHHHH 🦅🦅🦅🦅

Great car. Congrats!

Nice episode, beautiful car

Nice video Jake. Sweet car

I had a Red on Black 95 ZR1 new…was an awesome car…was a ripper for its day.

Finally a man of culture

My favorite is the C2.

@craigthescott5074

10 ай бұрын

Yep you can’t beat the mid year cars.

C4 ZR1's are amazing cars for their day. Very expensive driveline and good luck maintaining it. They may be the best bargain around these days.

@jtome84-91

10 ай бұрын

What’s so hard about maintaining them . They are pretty much bullet proof.

@Spartan265

10 ай бұрын

​@@jtome84-91Nothing is super hard. That guy is just tripping.

@MrNeon2002

10 ай бұрын

I have owned my c4 ZR-1 for 5 years now and it's needed nothing but regular maintenance. I bought it from the original owner and have service records since new. In 85K miles and 28 years there is maybe $500 worth of stuff aside from regular maintenance. People on the forums seem to have similar stories. They aren't that bad to maintain and most of the parts are still available.

@varmastiko2908

6 ай бұрын

The only thing that worries me is if I need an engine or even just a big overhaul on the engine of a ZR1. How likely that is, another question entirely. But I have to know the potential cost and difficulty if I am to pick a ZR1 over an LT4 for example. Perhaps ZR1s are affordable because people fear that cost.

@danabbene6507

6 ай бұрын

@@Spartan265 yea, Im tripping. The LT4 is not an LS. It was built by lotus and not your usual american v8. I guess working on them is hard is the wrong term because it's all relative. If you have strong mechanical skills, then it's no biggie. So saying I'm tripping is not really a good reply. Just a bash.

When you test drive a C4 ZR1, rev to 3500 rpm In 3rd gear then turn the valret key on, you will feel/hear the secondary injectors kick in. Nice video.

own two c4's love the dated interiors, my zr1 is so fun everyone wants to race it lol. on the freeway it holds its own

G'day from Australia, great video mate... You had me at the fart sound (+ 1 subscriber)

I thought you actually traded the C5!😱 Thank god that wasn’t the case

@Ls_corvette

11 ай бұрын

That’s his money maker for the Chanel

woahhhh nice dude!

I can’t believe you called the 911 a “Porsh”…….😳

My father designed these cars at General Motors

oh my, are those the original GS-C Goodyears on there? lol. People need to understand how dominant the C4 corvette was and im not talking the zr1, that speaks for itself. The C4 L98 was so dominant in racing , it got Kicked out of the Escort series. It was 29-0 vs the porsche 944 turbo. They had to create a series just for corvettes called the, " challenge series". It was hard to beat all around back in the day. John Lingenfelter was king. Mind you JOHN Lingenfelter. He would dominate with the open build corvettes all the motortrend , car & driver tests they would have in magazines. Honestly, since he passed, Lingenfelter is good but are NOT the same as they were when he was running things. Back then the seats were better than all the offerings from c5 and c6 and some levels of c7 vettes . Look at the adjustable articulation. I loved it . It was called the " Valet" key for the mere fact valet's were less likely to take it out and hammer the car.

It's a win over all

I love the early C4 Corvettes. There absolutely nice looking ❤

You Were hitting so many Facts I had to click on the video to like

0:50 corvettes weren't made in detroit, they are made in kentucky :)

Good move. Now you have a real feel corvette. Tight interior flat on the curves and balls out acceleration. Happy for you.😊

This car, forced the GM engineer team to create the engine that we know as the LS engine.

ZR-1 had the standard FE1 suspension with FX3 shocks not the Z51 suspension.

What are you talking about they had the B2K option from the factory that would absolutely smoke Porsches 911 Turbo and Ferrari and Lamborghini it was a factory option

Got worried for a sec... this is a nice c4, but c5's I think are much better. Better looking and better built.

@Spartan265

10 ай бұрын

I feel the opposite lol. C4s look much better than the C5 to me.

@CD-sz7tf

10 ай бұрын

I have and love my 2004 spiral grey 6 spd coupe, but would find it hard to pass up if someone came up and offered a straight up trade for a clean ZR1. ZR1 are very nice, and worth more than the avg C5. I like the look of both and of course the C5 does have the benefit of a generation of tech, but both are very cool.

@MountainBlade

10 ай бұрын

C5 corvettes are visually a wet sock.

@CD-sz7tf

10 ай бұрын

@@MountainBlade how do you really feel? Haha

@JBsC6

10 ай бұрын

The side sills are a pain in the very cool c4 Zr1. That was a reason I think the newer vehicles such as c5 and beyond are better as daily drivers and greater sales. The hydroformed steel frame rails of the c5 and beyond really did offer a more rigid chassis cutting down on side frame rails and ended chassis flex. As great as the Zr1 c4 ..I’d pass

Problem is parts for them.

I sold my C5 8 years ago. I regretted it. The C4ZR1 is a rattle cage. It truly made me appreciate the hydro-formed frame of the C5. I ended up selling the C4Zr1 for a C6Z06 and recently put on a procharger. I will never look back.

@innerlightfilms

10 ай бұрын

C6 interiors look too generic for my taste.

@V8dadmartin

10 ай бұрын

You have some balls boosting that LS7

@V8dadmartin

10 ай бұрын

@@innerlightfilmsyou want a nice interior go get a fully loaded Camry 😂

@innerlightfilms

10 ай бұрын

@@V8dadmartin define "nice"

@B.V.Luminous

10 ай бұрын

​​@@innerlightfilmsI think he defines 'nice'* as a 'fully loaded Camry'

Pretty Cool. My C4 has the same rear size tires as the ZR1 with no extra widening of the rear bumper. 2002 C5 rims and tires fit it like a glove and give this C4 a much better stance. My C4 is Black with Grey leather and yes, the Doug Nash 3 plus 4 manual transmission. I was able to add some shims to the shifter which made it much more accurate. I like this car and will keep it because of its uniqueness. The value of these is already increasing. Haggerty has told me the value of my car has increased substantially over the past 5 years..

Sorry 80's lambos countach had 345 size TIRES !

The C4 ZR1 and the C4 LT4/Grandsport are the sweet spot.

@IncomeWithEnergy

5 ай бұрын

And the Callaways...and the Lingenfelters....and the DRMs😁

How's the seat of the pants compare to your old c5?? I'm really curious about how much difference you can feel. Cool car for sure. Just don't break parts or the wallet gets empty quick.

I'll stick with my Doug Nash 4+3, thanks. It's lots of fun. In fourth gear, just put the pedal down to pass someone. Kinda like having an automatic.

I had a ZR1 back in 92 and loved it but the GMC Cyclone beat the ZR1's in the 1/4 mile.

C4 ZR1s have such a nice bootie

Just to clarify, the C4 Corvette regardless of trim is filled with some of the cheapest plastics and materials known to man, which results in squeaks and rattles that drastically impact the impression of the car overall. Also, most car testing companies and facilities struggled to replicate the performance numbers GM claimed with the ZR-1, however the Porsche 911 Turbo not only met expectations it could actually exceed them in some cases. The Porsche 911 Turbo is simply a better car overall including quality materials with the reputation of over 28,000 race wins, a feat no GM product could achieve. Don't get me wrong, nothing would make me happier than to promote an American car that can actually compete with the Germans and Italians but GM never actually created that reality, they were too focused on profit initiatives. While the Cosworth LT-5 C4 ZR-1 was an improvement, it didn't have an impact on its competitors that provided more quality engineered super cars.

I'm sure enjoying my 91Z 😊

It's still fkn cool!

Stop it, these are going 10-20k for a decent c4!

What r u using for headlights on the C5

Got a bit worried my friend lol prefer the c5’s imo but this c4 is nice for the year great video man.

@itsjamilagain

9 ай бұрын

C4 is more "exotic" to me than the C5. You can tell GM was going World Class with the C4 whereas the C5 was more about the performance value. Decent looking car and definitely fast, but doesn't turn as many heads as a clean C4.

3:20 lmao

after i got the service active handling codes on my car i got a HORRIBLE charge system fault code that i haven’t been able to shake. been through alternators and batteries trying to get my battery to charge like it once did so easily

An early C4 with a 383 stroker engine can easily out pull the ZR-1 while having far cheaper maintenance costs.

The square taillights kill me.

MY ZR1 had a electical issue and never cou find out where so I traded it in for a C6.

It will be nice to hear a real world comparison to the c5. Congratulations 🍾

@castlegarage6969

10 ай бұрын

I'd rather have my c5..to each his own

Excellent decision. C5 going down in value, never to return. ZR1 going up and up. I bought a ZR1 in 1999 for $6k. Everywhere I drive it someone offers me $40k for it. I laugh.

@peterb4143

10 ай бұрын

6k 😭 are you serious that’s wild

@enemy2921

9 ай бұрын

You should take those offers. They can go for less in good condition.

@tonypitsacota2513

9 ай бұрын

@@enemy2921 Why sell for $40k when I can get $60k? Bad advice.

@johnmiley5607

9 ай бұрын

only a fool would pay 60K for that one off piece of junk haha @@tonypitsacota2513

@coreysharp9794

9 ай бұрын

​@@tonypitsacota2513keep telling yourself that to ease the pain.

I would take a base model C4 after 1984 and before 1990 any day of the week against a ZR1. Dont need the power, do want the gauges and the 4+3!!! That's what makes the car scream "80s"

3:45 Check the rear tire size on a Lamborghini Countach of the same year. Great video, I just want to set the record straight when claims are made. To save you the trouble they are 345/35ZR15. Thanks and sorry.

It have to be 94-95 ZR1 for me to trade my 02EB C5 Z06!

I'm in total shock that you've gone and done this! Your C5 and your videos were one of my favorites on KZread. I'm quite dissapointed..

I wish the prices weren’t going up. For great condition it’s over 10 k 😢

I have a 96 Z-51 tuned with JETS DST and its much faster compared to stock. Allot faster...If you can tune that ZR-1, you'll unleash even more Horsepower and Torque. GM loads these C4's with timing retard tables and rich fuel management. Try to get yours tuned. You'll be amazed what is hidden underneath your foot.

Countach got you on tire width as I’m sure the Diablo did also.

@michaeljordan6008

9 ай бұрын

Both slower.

@varmastiko2908

6 ай бұрын

And the F40

on paper looks great but to maintain and modify that lt5 compared to the ls1 it just doesn't make sense... you gotta be at 5500 plus rpm to even notice the difference between a stock c5 and your zr1. simple cam upgrade on an ls1 will smoke any lt5 and just think how much you have to spend for the 30 plus year old lt5 upgrades lol

Hope you have someone nearby who can work on LT5's. GM dealerships pretty much won't touch them, and most corner garages aren't going to have the experience to handle bigger issues. I looked for one of these for a while, but decided to settle on a '96 LT4 - nearly the same performance in a package that even I can work on in my own garage.

@kylescaggs

10 ай бұрын

They aren't any more daunting to work on than a standard C4 till you get deep into the engine and by that point most people would cry uncle on even a standard small block.

@peterb4143

10 ай бұрын

LT4 is a hidden gem. Would love to own one someday, have a c5 z06 that will hopefully be making around 420whp by the end of the year, currently 360s

@kevindavis5966

10 ай бұрын

@@kylescaggs Parts are the other half of working on your own car, and parts for these are much harder to find by now, not to mention expensive.

@kylescaggs

10 ай бұрын

@kevindavis5966 I own a ZR-1 and parts are available through Jerry's Gaskets, while they might cost more than an LT1 they are far from unobtainable.

@kevindavis5966

10 ай бұрын

@@kylescaggs No one has said they're unobtainable, but Jerry's Gaskets isn't down the street in every town like AutoZone or Advance, is it? If you're naming one place, that seems like a potential issue. And the prices on that site alone are so high it's frankly unbelievable. $250 for a set of coolant hoses??

Great video! These are the last of the real Corvette 's ... I am not a fan of the new ones at all.

That ZR-1 just needs a real exhaust, badly

Who the hell would trade a ZR1 for a basemodel C5?!?! Someone isn't very smart!!!

Was going to grab a lt1 c4 for a fun extra car but all these old dudes in the southeast want 7k to 14k for their raggedy worn out c4's that are on dry rotted tires with peeled off paint. They sit unsold forever and just rot in the sun. It's a shame.

I don't know where the gentleman gets his pricing data, but it seems way off. According to Corvette Magazine's 2023 Buyers Guide, the cheapest base coupe in "low" condition (1984 & 85) is $4K, and the most expensive in "good" condition (1996) is $20K. Good luck getting a decent C4 for $5-6K. And instead of going nowhere, prices only seem to be going up. Is a C5 improved over the C4....yes, of course. But isn't that whats supposed to happen to automotive technology over time? As also stated the the Buyers Guide "....the best way to go fast in a Corvette without spending a fortune."

What happened to the c6

There's no word . . " costed" .

Costed isn't a word.

te 96 LT4 was quicker but less top end tan te LT5, LT5 top eavy and ard to find parts for.

Cheapest and the only C4 ZR1 for sale in Finland is 40k

People when I’m at car shows always are like blah blah blah no OHC vettes. I show them the ZR1 and they shit themselves. In elementary school in KY I got to visit the factory while they made C4’s.

Yep. Do you know how old that car is? Expect problems for cars of that age, and it will show it's age.

Join the registry!

@dillonglyder

10 ай бұрын

Have 2 in the family

The viper was the only thing faster.

My 1986 C4 was the absolute most dogshit car I have ever owned as far as staying running and not leaking and breaking every other day.....but the driving experience when it worked......still one of the most unique I have experienced.

These are going for 8500 in my area ☠