if friendship can evolve a pokemon, then abandonment should too 🤗

@aisadal2521

Ай бұрын

Shuppet and Banette already have that covered 🤭

@myheartismadeofstars

Ай бұрын

Fun fact one of the guidebooks actually implies this is the case, at least in Gen 1! It says that pokemon evolve so they won't be abandoned again 😞 (This same book was extremely inconsistent and often straight up wrong so...)

@Geeked182

Ай бұрын

The dark side of Pokemon they hide😔

@skycats6663

Ай бұрын

@@myheartismadeofstars hot damn, pokemon with separation anxiety! A perfect match for a human with separation anxiety but only want one on one interaction. Wait... This sounds like Gen 4 implications of Pokemons and humans used to marry each other.

@smb-c3po

Ай бұрын

Imagine if one day all the Cubone went extinct.

The way I look at it, trade evolutions fast track something that would've happened naturally over time. Steelix Dex entries mention that pressure and temperature deep underground triggered the evolution. Enough time passes with an Onix at that level underground, boom, Steelix. Metal Coat, once incorporated into the body of an Onix during a trade, is like a cheat code for that, giving you an early Steelix. I'm not entirely sure how this hypothesis applies to trade evolutions without items, but maybe it's similar to the way Nosepass and Magnetom evolved by being exposed to magnetic radiation. The particular process that is used to trade puts them in contact with energy that forces evolution.

@Whatever01345

Ай бұрын

I always think the energy that forced trade pokemon to evolve is from negative emotions, like when you trade a mon that you spend a lot of time and grew attachments with them...just to be trade away for a better mon,its sort of like feeling of betrayal, frustration, fear of abandonment causes them to evolve in the hope that its OT will get it back Or I just too deep

@MagusAgrippa8

Ай бұрын

@@Whatever01345 That could make sense if some pokemon required a high friendship and being traded to evolve. But you can trade a freshly caught Kadabra and get an Alakazam. Though it might be like Mega Evolution, in that the lore says it draws on the strength of your bond, but in game you can Mega something with negative friendship with no drawbacks.

@Whatever01345

Ай бұрын

@@MagusAgrippa8 I do aware of that part That's my in-universe explanation,the other explanation is probably because God said so

@Reesemike

Ай бұрын

Ok cool now explain literal any other trade evolution with this idea in mind

@MagusAgrippa8

Ай бұрын

@@Reesemike Magmar and Electabuzz. Both of their evolution items are described as containing vast amounts of fire and electric energy respectively. Magmar bathe in magma, Electabuzz seek out electricity. What happens if a Magmar was able to be front and and center during a volcanic eruption? Or if it spent years bathing in the hottest magma possible? What would happen if Electabuzz took repeated lightning strikes to the face? It seems clear to me that extreme natural phenomena can trigger these evolutions, while the items associated with them can replicate those extreme situations in a safe manner.

when i was younger i just thought that trade evolutions are opposite of friendship evolution and due to being abandoned by their trainer they evolve

@Starlightnova111

Ай бұрын

@@spsmlsk that's actually not a bad theory

@darosilvertail7957

Ай бұрын

If so wouldnt there be a low frienship evolution then?

@loveannbique9067

Ай бұрын

​@@darosilvertail7957 trade évolution is à way for them to show they traîner that they can Stiller be useful to them

@kitthesprithunter

Ай бұрын

@@darosilvertail7957 Kinda makes sense in older games, not sure in new games if you traded a pokemon their friendship would reset to 0 even if you got it back.

@alt3603

Ай бұрын

Wait, that would be a good explanation on why friendship level resets at trading a pokemon

"Do you think Professors trade Pokemon woth different items to see if it would evolve?" Rowan: hello there

@dansilvernight3021

Ай бұрын

They totally would. Oak to see if there are unknown species, and Rowan to study evolution. Also, I don't think the other Professors would be against it

@jacobkerner2593

Ай бұрын

@dansilvernight3021 I feel like every professor would be in on it aside from prof. Birch(or was it Elm I was thinking of?)

@bengarrett4984

Күн бұрын

Bill literally turned himself into a Clefairy and/or Kabuto just to see what would happen. Pokemon Professors are just pokemaniacs with funding.

Technically Alolan Golem was the last trade evolution

@petrmatejka4945

Ай бұрын

Finizen is just as bad as trade evolution

@1stCallipostle

Ай бұрын

@@petrmatejka4945 Serves you right for respecting a dolphin.

@Jannaria

11 күн бұрын

What’s a rate evolution?

I like to believe that Trading just causes some Energy to generate that causes Evolution. Wild Trade Pokémon just happened to find another source of that energy.

@Terra_Egg

Ай бұрын

Can they tell me where that source of energy is because I hate trade evos

@goldenbunny-rc7mr

Ай бұрын

Coming with gta 8​@@Terra_Egg

@benjaminoechsli1941

Ай бұрын

I forget which one it is, but I'm _positive_ one of those trade Pokemon (might be Porygon, actually), confirms that the electric energy involved in the trade process is what stimulates the evolution.

@nolangerrans6083

Ай бұрын

@@benjaminoechsli1941porygon and its evolutions Pokédex entries only talk about installing new software or programming without saying how but pretty much all of shelmet and karrablasts Pokédex entries say they evolve when given electrical stimulation while they are together so that might be where it was confirmed?

@jackyboyad7063

Ай бұрын

@@benjaminoechsli1941It’s karrablast and shelmet

Canonically, pokemon evolve from trades due to the vast amount of energy passing through their bodies during the experience. That's why, on rare occasions, energy increases can cause certain pokemon to evolve.

@sethb3090

Ай бұрын

Which is weird because, well, why is trading done via a machine? You can just _hand someone a pokeball._ If it's a matter of theft prevention stuff, reconfiguring a ball for a new owner shouldn't be a hugely energetic process. You know what, I've done enough thinking about this now to see some dark rabbit holes, so I'm gonna just stop

@bolggamer5542

Ай бұрын

@@sethb3090 I think theft prevention is on the right track. Think about it this way: each Pokemon has a certain ID associated with it and when you catch it, that ID is registered under your name. The Trade Machines are used to transfer ownership legally. That way, when you go to a Pokemon Center or register for a Gym Challenge, the pokemon is legally yours and they don't have to call the police.

@KesorodaBlk

Ай бұрын

@@sethb3090 just handing over a pokemon would be borrowing it instead of trading it. The Pokéball contains the license and information for that Pokemon pertaining to the trainer who caught it (being registered to that trainer is like having a license) So you couldn't just hand it over in exchange for a different Pokemon without the trading machine changing all that data.

@Green24152

18 күн бұрын

And then there's Karrablast/Shelmet.

@giovannihansen7406

9 күн бұрын

@@sethb3090 Speaking about rabit holes, what about the pokeballs themselves? I don't know for how long I've really thought about those darn things

"Cool, it suddenly evolved!" "Now trade it back."

@KeithMee

Ай бұрын

The next action determines the holders fate

It might be simular to how in real life, certain animals (typically the males) must leave the packs that they grew up in, inorder to reach maturity and find a mate. Trading pokemon and seperating them from their trainer might be simular enough to that process.

@kylecyrus9457

Ай бұрын

This is my headcannon for this now

@bortomik5204

Ай бұрын

Thank you know this will be my headcanon for the rest of my life

@pudgesnextturnaround3112

Ай бұрын

That's actually a genuinely good theory

The explanation: your Pokemon hates you so much that you need to give it to another person to make it evolve

The Poliwhurl situation actually happened with me. I was trading my polywhirl from my silver into my crystal in order to help me beat chunk, but he was holding the kings rock because it was a good item to hold because of flinch. Out of nowhere he popped up. I was so confused. I was also nine.

Trading evolution is fine there's just one problem, I have no friends to help me 😭

@Green24152

18 күн бұрын

Solution: Another console.

@TheLiteBluYoshi

10 күн бұрын

@@Green24152 I have no money to buy another one 😭

“The Pokémon company wants us to have friends” nah they just want our money

legends arceus made the trade pokemon just good to transfer in that game to evolve the possible ones. it just require to give the item and they evolve after

@Green24152

18 күн бұрын

Linking Cable my beloved.

@zestyvoyage2188

6 күн бұрын

It's such a shame that the linking cable isn't in scarlet and violet

@cuttlefish6839

4 күн бұрын

​@@zestyvoyage2188 I really hope it's added into gen 10 because my God I don't want to risk it with random people and my friends are in vastly different time zones so it's tough to coordinate in most cases if they aren't busy

For the porygon one I think canon wise of how to explain it, is porygon is returning to the digital plain while traded, and the upgrade it has modifies it's code to update. While porygon Z is the same but with a malware causing it to bug out.

'wait no stop give that back😢' that really got me 😂😂💀

I think I can explain machamp the entire machamp line are devoted to learning martial arts and live in groups so it makes sense that the leaders swap groups to teach the other group their dojos martial art and evolve into machamp to distinguish themselves to make it easier to recognize teachers

@MHShah17

8 күн бұрын

I think it fits, some other people have put the theory of how some animals leave their packs near maturity (e.g. male Lions being kicked out of their parents' pride, often joining teen male groups while they search for mates and prides to take over)

Palafin is the first true paid evolution. You quite literally need to buy a subscription to evolve him.

@Arldavis

Ай бұрын

I don't have Nintendo online for Scarlet and found palafin in a raid den

@Damini368

10 күн бұрын

@@ArldavisBut did you evolve Palafin? Because if not, then what they said is still true

@simplypie

10 күн бұрын

@@Damini368palafin is the evolved version of finizen. You can’t evolve it anymore.

Palafin (I know it isn't trade but we need money and friends)

The only trade evo that makes sense is Karrablast and Shelmet

@lilpetz500

Ай бұрын

I've seen a much looser, more "making whatever sense we can" explanation for machamp and golem too; one loses a set of arms, the other gains some, maybe some genetic alteration considering themes of gen 1?

@F14thunderhawk

Ай бұрын

@@lilpetz500 from what i understand, they couldnt afford the Graveler + machoke = Graveler + Machamp evolution in gen 1 cartridge space

Instructions unclear Guy from Facebook marketplace will not resell me back my computer to see if it evolved

I heard this once but a theory is that the fact they’re trainers gives them away makes them think they’re weaker and pushes them to become stronger, unlocking this new form/evolution

“They wanted us to have friends up until sun and moon” *Finizen needing friends to evolve

NO ONE EVER IS DISAPPOINTED WWITH POLITOED HE IS PERFECT! IF YOU DON'T LIKE HIM YOU ARE WRONG!!!!!!

@removedbyutube

Ай бұрын

Lmao 🤣

@xXYamiHeatXx

Ай бұрын

I'm glad someone beat me to this! Politoed is love, Politoed is life! 💕🐸

Maybe a good in-universe way of explaining it (assuming there isnt one already) could be that maybe the trade evo 'Mons evolve once they go through a dramatic change in enviroment or even change to their perspective?

@Douglas27Akira

Ай бұрын

In universe explanation is probably that there is contamination during trade. Some items fuse with the pokemon while in other cases two pokemon "exchange" parts.

Luckily, there's the Linking Cord item.

@raythero8285

Ай бұрын

Only in Legends tho

@WonderWopunny

Ай бұрын

Is that item still around?

@raythero8285

Ай бұрын

@@WonderWopunny only in Legends Arceus and Pokémon Sleep. Nowhere else

@WonderWopunny

Ай бұрын

@@raythero8285 they need to bring it back, they go to realize we don't got friends

@raythero8285

Ай бұрын

@@WonderWopunny yeah true XD

Head canon I have for trade item evolving is basically that one story where a guy gets fused with a fly cause of a teleporter

trading with an item symbolizes an important experience & hardship the pokemon must face to evolve.

It’s funny cause I have friends who have the other versions and trade evolutions don’t feel fun. It’s more of a chore like “Okay now let me trade you these Pokémon and you have to trade them back to me”

It makes sense in gen 1. Golem, Machamp) They get transported via Bill's machine. Parts of each pokemon were mixed with each other. Thats why Golem now has the face machop/machamp had and 2 arms, and Machamp now has 4 arms, from graveler and his face is a lot like Graveler's too. They mixed DNA.

I always thought of the trade evolutions being ways that we’ve bypassed a unknown ritual pokemon do in the wild to evolve. Like I believe there are pokedex entries saying how Onix evolve into Steelix by burying themselves and waiting for pressure to transform them. So I always thought of trade evolutions is like the human way of speeding this process up.

Alolan golem was the last trade evolution introduced

Everyone’s talking about the energy in trading being present in the wild. The other option I’ve thought of would be hormones from being abandoned being the cause of the evolution. So in the wild being excommunicated from their pack or by their mate could cause it.

I'm pretty sure in the manga Yellow got trade evolutions without trading, explained as her holding back their first evolution so long that when her Pokedex broke and she couldn't stop them they skipped right to the end evolution even without trade.

“Gourgeist was the last trade evolution” meanwhile Alolan Golem 🗿

This is why legends Z-A BETTER have the link cable

I vaguely remember something about wild trade pokemon getting struck by lightning to evolve

They realized we don’t have friends in Sun and moon and we never got a trade evo after X and Y, but we got a "union circle" evo for Palafin in scarlet and violet

@ericneely3028

Ай бұрын

Didn’t you have to trade for alolan golem

@andrewdivino08

Ай бұрын

@@ericneely3028 idk, I never played Sun and Moon, I was planning on getting them soon

Literally me in elementary school, trading Graveler to my friend and seeing it evolve into Golem. "Wait! Give that back!"

You take that back about rhyperior!

that one cave in mystery dungeon they go to for evolving

I imagine something like if an Onix leaves its group to join another, it may evolve

I'm now naming my Porygon "Facebook Marketplace"

There was a wild Seadra who evolved into Kingdra in the anime Pokemon Journeys

In generation 1 Machamp and golem are both trade evolutions. The idea is that their DNA got mixed during the trade. This is why Machamp gains an extra set of arms while golem loses a set of arms.

@BrianMagnan

Ай бұрын

Yes, I’ve always said this. That’s why if you trade certain pokemon with certain items it mixes with their DNA and alters their forms. Accelgor and Escavalier further prove this point because their DNA gets mixed when you trade their pre-evolutions with each other.

Even though I mostly agree with this, I have to mention Escavalier (from Karrablast) and Accelgor (from Shelmet), the lore behind their evolution method (at least in the original version of the evolution) was really cool.

@NLR-J

Ай бұрын

Karrablast evolves into an Escavelier by wearing the shell it steals from the Shelmet during the trade, which causes the Shelmet to evolve into Accelgor due to how much lighter it now is without its old shell and having to cover itself with more membrane to avoid dehydration.

Not my social anxiety havin ahh having to hype myself up to join a pokemon discord to ask someone to trade my haunter back and forth so I could have my Gengar😭

Its a method that acts as a conditional mutation. Think of it as either merging a pokemon with something or acting like a spark in their genetics.

Not a trade evolution, but Finizen only evolves in a union circle, so a mechanic requiring friends.

Now who in their right mind would be DISAPPOINTED to receive a Politoed, that’s just a happy accident

Looks like a pokemon conquest animation of the alakazam

Different game copies are supposedly different dimensions from one another, so perhaps it is crossing the boundaries between dimensions that triggers trade evolutions, and the held items release certain energies when in-between dimensions that cause certain pokemon to evolve. And maybe there are rifts in the dimensional barriers of the world somewhere in the wild that wild pokemon can enter to trigger their own evolutions.

Trade signifies betrayal by the original trainer and the held items are the tools of revenge.

My head cannon is for the wild Pokémon it’s like if they switch tribes

I mean gourgeist may have been the last traditional trade evo, but its memory still lives on with palafin needing the goddamn union circle or whatever

I mean even as far back as the original anime we were seeing wild Gengar and Alakazam

Using entries for karrablast and shelmet, it seems that trade evolutions can happen naturally when certain energy envelops the pokémon, so during a trade whatever this energy is is recreated as a happy side effect, and the linking cord from legends arceus also either emits/contains this energy.

This video made me remember a certain NPC in Sinoh who wants to trade her Haunter. 😅😂

Hah! Ur so right though giving us games to play with our friends so that our parents can distract us so they don't have to teach us life skills such as making friends and now look 😅

I do like the Linking Cord item in Legends Arceus. It’s a cute nod to trading evolutions without making us actually trade

"Trade evolutions are weird" Finizen: Nervous sweating

Yes, that's exactly how wild Rhyperior appeared

I remember hearing it explained as a kid that in universe, the devices used to facilitate proper trading give a quick surge of power to the Pokémon in the ball which can cause evolution. I just figured in the wild, sometimes Pokémon get hit by lightning and evolve into their trade form like that.

Fun fact, that polytoad situation You described literally happens in the Pokémon adventures manga. Gold originally wanted a poliwrath like his hero red, but in an earlier chapter he traded it and then traded it back

My thought process is that trade evolutions made the pokemon so sad and angry at being rejected that it evolves due to hatred

I have always felt that Trade Evolution mimics some kind of natural radiation

Porygon is the one that makes the most sense: It absorbs the upgrade as it's turned into data to go through the link cable.

"Imagine if the only way to update Windows was selling your PC on Facebook Marketplace" 💀

I think the reason there are trade evolutions in the wild is the Pokémon traded territory with another Pokémon, thus causing it to evolve.

Trainer 1: *asks if someone can trade with his Haunter so it can evolve* Trainer 2: *Offers to trade with a Sunkern he just caught* *both trainers trade* *Haunter evolves into Gengar* Trainer 1: *wants his new Gangar back* Trainer 2: .... *books it with his new Gengar*

They evolve through happiness... they're happy to be rid of ya.

Alolan-Golem was added in Sun and Moon and is a trade evo

I always figured that the energy used in trading jump started the evolution process. Trade evolutions exist in the wild but they're rare.

Gorgiest was the last trade evolution. Galatians slowpoke: 😵‍💫🧐

I always thought it was that when you trade a pokemon their physical form gets broken down and reassembled on the other side of the trade machine. Some Pokémon’s genetics are prone to mutation in this process so they come out the other side altered. Others when you send them through with an item like steel coat it gets broken up and merged with them altering their form.

The first trade evolution was probably what we see in the Adventures Manga: Red and Blue accidentally confuse their poke balls for a moment, then they meet again and give back their original Pokemon. That's when their Pokemon that evolve by trading, actually evolved

I saw the wild trade Pokémon as trading locations/places to call home, but that’s just me I think.😅

Im still pissed about that Haunter holding an everstone

I feel like Palafin has the same spirit since you need buddies to eveolve

I personally think that its just a pokemon getting hit by a strong enough electrical current in a confined space that causes evolution

There's a few things explained in Black and White. Trade evos require a geoelectrical energy that trading happens to simulate. Many fossil pokemon weren't always rock type, they were affected by the revival process and the sediment they layed in. Stuff like that.

Dont diss my many politoed drizzle lifeord stab waterpulse is nutty

The trading process exposes the Pokémon to an exceptional amout of energy that they could not or rarely encounter otherwise. This energy can sometimes super charge Pokémon pushing them into new forms rarely seen in the wild except for the strongest of the species.

Alolan geodude: AM i a joke to you?

Fun fact, a Pokemon Tabletop simply did away with that, and just gave it a level requirement.

Porygon actually makes sense, since you pit it through a computer of sorts.

I think it’s partially the fear of being rejected, and they try to evolve to not disappoint their next trainer, same case for releasing.

One way to interpret trade evolutions is the final evolution tends to break evolutionary progression established from it's previous forms. For instance, Machamp gains an extra set of arms and a very different face than it's pre-evolutions, Alakazam lost its tail when both of his pre-evolutions had one, Dusknoir lost its legs when it just gained them previously, etc. On the other hand, 'mons like Steelix and Scizor (and others) may break this trend as they are apart of lines that only evolve once hence no progression can actually be observed. In which case, the duo-stage trade-evolution pokemon are observe a vastly different change in form by undergoing the trade. Feebas to milotic, Scyther to Scizor, Shelmer to Accelgor all undergo an incredible permanent change from their previous forms that sort of go against what is expected. Of course, there are exceptions to this idea in an opposite sense: Magikarp to Gyarados being a good example as they don't require a trade to evolve, yet they still change quite a lot from its original state that makes it quite unexpected. P.S. this is not an original idea. That credit goes to Lockstin & Gnoggin.

Thats why we need another way but a little bit harder to evolve for example kadabra to alakazam. Not deleting the trade evolve system, just adding other way to evolve this type of pokemon.

In Leafgreen I rememeber an NPC thay said that the reason some pokemon evolve via trade is because of the Link Cable, then it changed when everything became wireless.

i always saw it as a sort of electric stimulation that's given through the trading process that may or may not occur in nature under the right circumstances.

One theory I've seen is that the Pokemon evolve to try and get their trainer to take them back.

The other thing is if someone wants a trade pokemon and have the previous stage they have to trade and then trade back and hope the other trainer doesn't keep it

Intrestingly, in sword and shield, some trade Evo pokemon can be caught in the wild area and in the dlcs. In arceus u can catch a bit more trade evos though.

@SakuraiHikari15

Ай бұрын

Yeah, starting with Sword and Shield and continuing into Legends Arceus and Scarlet and Violet all trade evolution Pokemon can be caught in the wild in some way (usually as raids in SWSH and SV). Though there have been some wild trade evolutions since Pearl, Diamond and Platinum, just not all of them available as catches until SWSH.

I always thought of it as like, the mix of radiation from the trade machine

my thought is if a pokemon in a group and it moves to another group it would evolve in the wild

There was a plot point in pokespe where two characters had each other's teams for a while, and machoke evolved into machamp by experiencing a different training style. no trade machine required it's been almost two decades but iirc it was red and green (the rival, not the girl) who got lost in a cave or something with each other's pokemon

I could've sworn something was said somewhere about a unique electromagnetic frequency within the 'tradescape' being responsible for trade evolutions.

It was actually Gourgheist AND Trevenant that were the last Trade evolutions, since they were both introduced in X and Y

In-universe trades are done via machines since pokeballs are locked to the owner's dna, so they're turned into data and that's when they merge with items or with other pokemon in the case of machamp/golem and the gen 5 pair, there are rare situations where a trade evolution happens naturally, and pokemon during events like the space time distortion in pla can evolve with just the item and no trading Also, alolan golem has a seperate pokedex entry from kanto golem in sv and you need both to finish all the dexes in those games, so it's the real last trade evo