Mark blowing away the budget on fine dining

@BMWWolf

2 жыл бұрын

Red lobster is a guilty pleasure

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2 жыл бұрын

Mark dining away the budget on fine blowing.

@jeffreysalzman1497

2 жыл бұрын

Unlimited Cheddar Bay Biscuits!

@Quesadila21

Жыл бұрын

*Red Bull has joined the chat*

Don't worry about video length Jack! I am soaking up every second of this as I am looking at similar mods/track duties.

@bt7482

2 жыл бұрын

As we all know quality over quantity ;)

@WarriorsPhoto

2 жыл бұрын

100 % agree with your statement.

@braetonwilson4296

2 жыл бұрын

If I bought this car, I would do zero mods. It's perfect stock.

@price9195

2 жыл бұрын

LOL the first thing I thought 21 minutes?!

@andrewrossnagel9433

2 жыл бұрын

Wish it was 45 min

Cannot express how grateful I am for the technical info. I've bought 2 cars based on their reviews. I think this will be my third. No one does reviews better than Jack and Mr.Goose

@Jose-mq8os

Жыл бұрын

which cars?

@Roger_Ramjet

Жыл бұрын

I miss Turbowski

Commenting for the algo, great job Jack! Even though I’m not in the market for one of these, its such a treat to have you guys do a long term owner breakdown video like this. Alot of good information and insights, especially the track segment chat w Casey. I can see alot of first time buyers and trackday rookies getting benefit from this series. Great stuff as always!

@MikeF055

2 жыл бұрын

Algo comment here too. Can't wait for the upgrades-real comment.

@peeepeeepoopooo7541

Жыл бұрын

@@MikeF055 Same for algo, I'm a gti guy but this car makes me think it's like a more reliable (obviously slower) porsche for half the price. Waiting for the economy to stabilize to either buy a 2008 base c6 coupe or this gr86

@raymondgilbert7887

Жыл бұрын

These vids are so helpful!

I love the way you guys point out the weak points of the car as well as the strong points. I am very interested in getting one of these and It really helps to get a well rounded overview..... Thanks!

@petethecarfreak3486

2 жыл бұрын

I've driven the new BRZ a few times, it is so fun. Great choice of car

You guys and this channel kick ass. Subs may be slow to be where we all know they should be at, but people will be digging through all this content until the sun turns it off ;)

Those Apex wheels are beautiful on this car

“At Red Lobster enjoying an Admiral’s Feast” 🤣🤣👍‼️‼️

Gosh, I much prefer when channels review cars while also considering common and relatively affordable modifications. Sometimes the stock car needs just a little aftermarket help to really shine; ignoring that fact is often a disservice to any comparison. Thanks and keep it up!

Longer content is my jam from bomb creators like you my homie.

Great stuff guys! So excited to be a part of this build series and to have more offerings for this chassis soon. Impressive car for the money and even better with choice modifications!

@94tegLSatMSC

2 жыл бұрын

Oh really... interested in new offerings 🤔

@andrewrossnagel9433

2 жыл бұрын

You guys need to be first one to bring CF wheels to the regular consumer.

@sl0907

Жыл бұрын

Are these the 17x9 +38 or 17x9 + 42?

@apexwheels

Жыл бұрын

@@sl0907 These are 17x9 ET42! The higher offset ARC-8 can work on the gen 2 cars but there is limited inner clearance around the rear fenders so wider tires may scrub the fenders. We have Gen 2 Specific forged wheels en route that take this into account. -Tom

@RoadBike4Life

Жыл бұрын

@@apexwheels any plans to offer the VS-5RS in 17x9 ET~42 to remove the need for a spacer on the ET48 version?

Nice update video. I really liked Britt's involvement in discussing the car. Excited to see how this car (project) evolves and how you enjoy it.

Very excited to see you guys start modding this thing. It's a bit lower on power than I'd like but I am toying around with the idea of getting one as a daily

Very impressive video. I am glad you have shared this with us. I am excited to see what changes in the next installment video. Good luck and have fun sir.

I love sensible wheel sizes with a good amount of side wall on it. It just looks meaty and serious.

@user59371

2 жыл бұрын

No they’re too small it looks goofy

@thomaschristopherwhite9043

2 жыл бұрын

@@user59371 No they're fine. Better that than the giant hotwheels dubs you get on most cars with the rubber painted outside.

@user59371

2 жыл бұрын

@@thomaschristopherwhite9043 If you aren’t into aesthetics or anything sure

@jayjacaty3009

2 жыл бұрын

I personally prefer the look of 17s over 18s on this platform. Anything larger than 18 is gaudy as hell, in my opinion. As always-to each, their own.

@user59371

2 жыл бұрын

@@craig9365 well unfortunately for you, nobody agrees (at least nobody that can afford new cars) so we’ll continue to see large wheels, as they should be.

Amazing job you guys, I love the long in depth videos such as these they’re great to watch!

@Jack, for the steering I'd recommend the Perrin lockout kit. There is also a steering caster bushing correction kit that should make a difference. I'm following your build keenly and glad you are not seeing a need for an oil cooler yet.

Very informative. The low fuel economy is a bit confusing though, because quite a few reviewers have gotten mpg approaching that of previous gen. One reported getting close to 35 at ~80 mph, albeit on BRZ. Not sure if the wider wheels and stickier tires had an impact.

@tone3560

10 ай бұрын

Yeah his numbers are unrealistically low unless he was redlining every gear daily all the time

Thank you so much for your videos, definately one of my favourite channels. Im always invigorated in my passion for sports cars and driving after watching your channel Im looking forward to more GR86 content

Lot of value in this video for us Brits patiently waiting for ours to arrive. Thank you

I had a car that did 250 miles per tank, if you use it for traveling and long term, the frequent fill ups do get annoying. Not a deal breaker for some but something to consider. Depending on how it's being used, the car does give you alot.

@OGS2099

2 жыл бұрын

It was probably a Ford. That's my guess.

@ForgetfulFoot

2 жыл бұрын

I drove my ND MX5 across Australia. There were a couple of moments in that trip where I got pretty close to being on empty before the next petrol station (areas where there are 200+kms without a petrol station). If the BRZ is roughly 35% worse. It might get you into trouble on longer road trips. Hell my 987.2 Cayman and 370Z gives equal of better fuel economy. Fuel is also is also getting more expensive. Double the price compared to two years ago. No it wont stop people from buying the car. But its pretty bad to have that bad economy out of a 4 banger in 2022.

@larphraulen

2 жыл бұрын

This was the part about the review that surprised me the most. I have an 18 BRZ and will typically get about 600 km (350 miles) on a road trip. Is the new one really that fuel hungry? Jack did say mostly freeway / country road too.

@ks1ngh27

2 жыл бұрын

@@OGS2099 it was 2003 Nissan Sentra Se-r. It had bigger 2.5 liter engine with a tank for 1.8 liter engine.

@andradeuclides

2 жыл бұрын

I think the fuel economy can be a deal breaker depending on how much one drives. Rather make the extra effort for the 6 cil supra if you are gonna spend a ton on gas anyways…

Great video, I always liked the GR86, I couldn’t justify buying one though. The car looks great Jack. The small upgrades seems beneficial to what you are trying to achieve, I definitely wanna see more of this build. I appreciate this.

@geethsan1567

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah the car feels incomplete but that's the reason why it's cheap so you can modify stuff to suit to your needs.

@TapTwoCounterspell

2 жыл бұрын

Miata is the right pick. If you want the non-convertible or more aggressive engine the Corolla GR seems like it's going to be insane

@setharcher5869

2 жыл бұрын

​@@TapTwoCounterspell The 86 is about fun. NA RWD is generally more fun even if it isn't as fast on track as a turbo AWD Corolla.

@zzanatos2001

2 жыл бұрын

I couldn't justify buying a GR86 either - until I priced a new Mustang. Now the GR looks like an insane bargain.

@youngbrevy

2 жыл бұрын

@@zzanatos2001 For me I’d need more space, wouldn’t mind a GR Corolla Wagon.

Your suggestion regarding the stereo system was SPOT ON! I have the base model BRZ and by turning off all the digital enhancements and keeping all the other settings flat the base stereo is quite fine. Anyway much much better than with the various “enhancements”

Love to hear an update on the GR86. I have been on a list to buy one for 6 months. Finally got the call this weekend they have a build date. So stoked.

You can try bumping your hood latch down a smidge and moving your adjustable hood stoppers upward to help mitigate some of your hood flutter. It will make the hood sit tighter against the stoppers. Might change your fit and finish some, but that's the tradeoff.

"we keep getting crappy fuel mileage!' *proceeds to peel around every corner and stomps the pedal when taking off from a stop. lol. gee I hope you figure it out...

@cartere9981

24 күн бұрын

They do get pretty terrible economy compared to comparable cars

@invertedv12powerhouse77

6 күн бұрын

​​@@cartere9981the big spoilers on the skirts probably dont help i find the sweet spot for me is at 110ish km/h.

Great detailed review. I appreciate the longer video length. Thanks for pointing out the short comings as well as the positives!

This project is coming together beautifully!

Thanks a lot for doing these in-depth updates on this platform!

If you're going to get a dedicated track wheel/tire combo, the base model 17" wheels with all-seasons seems like a huge cost saver. Even if they don't get better fuel economy, they're cheaper and should last 50% longer than the PS4s.

@danlee3939

2 жыл бұрын

Should be noted the base car's Primacy HP tires are actually not All-Seasons, but Grand Touring Summer tires. They have absolutely no grip in the wet, and it gets worse in the cold.

@rene5871

2 жыл бұрын

That's why Xbox 360 is better

@Salvaba

2 жыл бұрын

@@danlee3939 having driven this car on the 17’s since February, the car does not hydroplane or feel upset when you don’t want it to in the wet or cold. Like any rear wheel drive car, you can slide a whole lot more on wet pavement. I specifically wanted the base model because the sidewall means comfort, the primacies are cheaper and are more suitable for low-speed drifting. The car is controllable 100% of the time and there is never a time you don’t feel the grip you’re supposed to and there are times where I’ll be living out my initial D fantasies around every corner with no issues. Buy the primacies if you want to have fun

@Salvaba

2 жыл бұрын

The initial review sums it up well: get the 18s with the pilot sports if you are more interested in grip, get the 17s if it’s to have fun and for more comfort.

@xFlared

2 жыл бұрын

@@rene5871 I remember the old console flame wars back from 2007. Damn I feel old.

Love this serie, keep pushing!

Great video as is, I enjoyed this video, you guys dissected the GR86 and explained in detail the upcoming and downfalls of this car. Im Toyota 86 owner myself , I always enjoy others giving insight on improving the car , even now im slows but surely Building my 86 to my own vision. simple street car with edge. that's just me, im spirited Driver , never tracked before but I would love 2 one day.this video was Great in over 20min, make them all like that, I never get tired of watching these .

I'm really surprised it's so thirsty. Allowing for the conversion from US gallons to imperial gallons, that's within a few per cent of the fuel consumption I get in similar-speed mixed running from my 1990 300hp Porsche 944 Turbo. And that's a low compression two-valve engine with a second-generation mahoosive turbo on it.

@adamrozman

2 жыл бұрын

How tall is top gear? Porsches are pretty notoriously tall geared. BRZ intentionally has closer ratios for fun factor

@samuelorellana2603

2 жыл бұрын

@@noahkim8377 yeah it's a shame that the one major downfall is a one you might not necessarily expect. These run on premium to boot

@FATmenDRIVEtrucks

2 жыл бұрын

It's pretty bad the supra gets way better fuel economy with double the horsepower. I've personally never seen a boxer engine get good mpg though

@wescoleman6390

2 жыл бұрын

Yikes, I thought the EPA estimate might be conservative like it was on the first gen. EPA says 22/29, but I routinely hit 33 mpg on long back road trips driving the post refresh BRZ mk1 with the manual transmission and lower final drive ratio.

@mrstrawcloud

2 жыл бұрын

@@noahkim8377 the gearing might be causing it? Idk. Could be tuning or something.

Thank you for 5k/6k mile update. I am picking up my Neptune Blue GR86 Premium in two weeks. Got it at MSRP thankfully (502 miles away though so road trip).

@HandsomeAlex25

2 жыл бұрын

Roadtrip and half your break-in will be done!

@CruiseControl1

2 жыл бұрын

@@HandsomeAlex25 very true, no cruise control for the first 1,000 miles, I will be changing speed and gears to vary the rpm

@Briguy288

2 жыл бұрын

Which dealership was this?

@CruiseControl1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Briguy288 I will tell you after I pick up the car

@Briguy288

2 жыл бұрын

@@CruiseControl1 that sounds fair to me

Awesome video loaded with information. Looking forward to the next one on mods and impact on daily drive.

glad to see this car getting the attention it deserves. keep this segment alive!

Song is "Night Stalker" by Wave Saver for anyone curious. One of my all time favorite tracks.

It looks amazing in that colour and with the aftermarket wheels

@Loudest_Cricket_

2 жыл бұрын

Everyday Driver also has a GT86 in this color, with gold OZ wheels, and it looks immaculate. These wheels look really good, EDDs wheels are damn near perfect.

I came here just to broaden my knowledge base on the GR 86 platform. I left with a positive upgrade path for my street and track car: those very wheels and tires! 🙌 ❤ Thank you for all the hard work and time you guys put into these videos. 🙏 -Mk7 GTI track hound and German car lover

Fabulous video Jack. I love the car and what you've done to it.

Hey SG, another excellent video! Really shocked about highway mpg. Also, are those Apex wheels + RS4s what you're daily driving the car on? Or just the track only set?

I have a gen 1 86 and the funny thing about the MPG is for my car, I wanted extra power. So I've done headers and other bolts ons and had it tuned for e-85. And now, I'm around 200ish whp (haven't had it dynoed, just going off other ppl that have my exact same setup), which is pretty similar to gen 2, and I also get around 23-24MPG overall now. I definitely think it's worth it.

Shoutout to CounterSpaceGarage and their awesome customer service. Jasmin was an amazing rep and went above and beyond.

Great video Jack! Looking forward for the next check in.

Been getting 27mpg in my GR86, 90% highway. No complaints here.

@fortheloveofnoise9298

2 жыл бұрын

I use to get around 30 highways in my 2014 Mustang V6 little over 300 HP....they accomplished this with more dirty emissions so it was banned from sale without modification in California.

I'm a little over 1000 miles on mine. Even with hot-rodding around, I'm getting 30+ mpg average in a MT which is better than list; I typically drive 9 over. My biggest annoyances are how the doors lock/unlock, fake engine sound, seat belt chime, and apple play vs spotify...all very minor things. I live in the mountains and am surrounded by winding mountain passes and canyons.. I love this car, can't wait to get it to the track, and for the ecu to get unlocked so I can go FI. It's made driving fun for me again.

@Briggsian

2 жыл бұрын

There are a few videos that show you how to change the seat belt chime. I'm pretty sure it can be disabled altogether if you want.

@igetlotsofspam

2 жыл бұрын

​@@Briggsian I reduced it, it's still annoying. Looks like you can pull the whole dash, and remove the gauge to physically remove the speaker... not ideal.

@Briggsian

2 жыл бұрын

@@igetlotsofspam yeah, that's not ideal

@mofayer

2 жыл бұрын

30mpg sounds more realistic for a lighter weight 2.5l 4cyl. The 24 they got prob included track time, Or, him driving like a "monkey" 90% of time.

@markmiller3279

2 жыл бұрын

Lower speeds should yield better gas mileage. Still, what they're seeing is pathetic, if not a huge surprise. Subarus has never been outstanding at gas mileage.

Excellent video as always, thank you guys.

excellent vid and very informative. Look forward to the next vids on the GR86.

Shout out Autobahn Country club for supporting the channel! Would love to see them launch in the UK. I think we're ready for it

I’ve had my GR86 since February, and my experience is much like Jack’s. I took my car stock to the track and boiled over the fluid shortly before the pads faded away. The hood flutter for me is violent at 114mph, but I’ve seen that figure fluctuate between 80 to 120 within the community. There’s also an annoying issue with the buffeting at highway speeds. Also, The aftermarket is still really expensive and limited, but I’m waiting for ohlins to release our generation specific shocks because I think the car badly needs a good strut.

@happyambush1

2 жыл бұрын

I may try to experiment on the hood flutter when I get mine in. An extra metal rib that weighs a 1/4 of a pound could do wonders for the stiffness and changing the resonant frequency.

@espatecfuet7968

2 жыл бұрын

may i ask you what's your mpg been? im interested in one but would be my daily driver and the mpg might be a dealer breaker for me, specially with the current ga prices...

@Salvaba

2 жыл бұрын

@@espatecfuet7968 sure. I drive like a baboon 90% of the time and live in NYC, the car is also a daily. Over 4500 miles, I’m averaging 21.2 MPG. Jack said he’s getting 24, but I’m sure that’s more cruising on a highway + track and baboon driving than I do in a massive metropolitan area. If you’re hyper focused on fuel, i did a normal drive with mainly highway driving into NJ, averaging about 33mpg.

@espatecfuet7968

2 жыл бұрын

@@Salvaba okay, thank you very much for your answer and adding the detail of your drive to NJ!

@TassieLorenzo

2 жыл бұрын

@@happyambush1 Yeah, but it's a little shocking that wasn't engineered out of the car during the R&D phase in the first place. It's a bummer that Subaru & Toyota managed to make the steering feel worse too, they had perfect steering before so why did they mess with it? Some little frustrating things for otherwise a wonderful car.

Thank you for being so thorough!

Looking forward to the next installment of this series. Keep giving us updates please.

Can you discuss how you approached the break-in period, as well as oil change intervals/oil weights with track use?

@savagegeese

2 жыл бұрын

Harder break in varying RPM and load. 5w30 for track.

@odinikita4821

2 жыл бұрын

@@savagegeese jack what is your justification for this harsh type of break in?

@user-jt6nw6wm5q

2 жыл бұрын

@@odinikita4821 maybe this kzread.info/dash/bejne/qqSjyc6optzfj5s.html

@K03sport

2 жыл бұрын

@@odinikita4821...Subaru uses a thinner oil, from factory, to achieve a better mpg rating. Let the car get to operating temp before taking it higher in the rpm range. Don't keep it at the same rpm for long periods of time (i.e. no 65mph cruise control road trips for 40+ miles. The thicker oil will help absorb heat better around the track and not break down as fast as the thinner oil. Key is getting the engine to operating temp before romping on it.

@ZZZRaven65

2 жыл бұрын

@@K03sport Sounds like Subaru could replace the oil with WATER and they would still get poor fuel economy. Very disappointing.

Coil overs and a full exhaust will be my first two upgrades.

+1 don't worry about length. Good video thanks. Look forward to more on the GR86.

Good stuff, very informative! Looking forward to the next episode

I second Jack's complaint about fuel economy. I was starting to seriously consider the 86 a Miata competitor for my next car, but the poor fuel mileage given the engine size, power, and weight of the 86 made it clear to me again that Miata Is Always The Answer.

@isaiahkolb3801

Жыл бұрын

I don't think I could fit in a Miata which is my one problem haha

@Ryan.......

Жыл бұрын

@@isaiahkolb3801 I'm between 6'1" and 6'2" (187 cm). With the top up, I can fit in NA, NB, and ND Miatas if I tilt my head. I haven't tried an NC, but my NC's are the largest of the four.

@seanmiller8198

10 ай бұрын

@@isaiahkolb3801 I'm 6'1" and 225lbs and fit, not fat. I can fit just fine and I have a long torso vs. long legs. It's completely comfortable for me. Occasionally I wonder if it would be good to get that seat lowering kit. just so I get a bit more windscreen visibility. I've got an Miata RF and have maybe 3 inches of headroom in the hardtop with the stock non-Recaro seats. Once you get over the space difference from other cars, it feels fine. I did a 4100 mile scenic road trip last year and rarely did I feel too cramped. If I did, I just stopped and walked around a bit. I did at the end of two weeks start feeling the pressure on my right leg since I had to lean it against the center console so much while on cruise control, but it was a very small issue to me. Most people would never do what I did with a Miata. I belong to the San Diego Miata Club and there are guys 6'2 in NDs, and some 6'4" in NCs. We've also got plenty of portly fellas that are a bit shorter that fit in there just fine, but I always wonder how they manage it. The best thing to do is get in it and take it for a drive. If you want a bit more clearance for your head, it's about a $300 kit that you can install yourself to lower your seat and extra 1-3/4 inches and still retain the seat slides. You can go lower if you want to leave it in a fixed position on other kits for less.

Love the content, this has to be the most regular people automotive Chanel of all KZread

Very informative and open video. Thanks for showing this and talking about it.

Thanks for the update! I hope I can find one to test drive sometime soon....

Just did my GR/NASA HPDE at Summit Point Main this weekend. I had Ferodo DS2500 pads and Castrol SRF fluid and experienced no fade going pretty hard and engaging ABS several times (running 540TW UHP All-Season tires); it was a hot day with peak ambient temps in the 90s. I talked to one of the other GR86 drivers in the group who ran fully stock brakes, and he experienced fade towards the end of the day despite not abusing his brakes quite as much as I was to begin with. Another GR86 driver, unfortunately, blew his engine after a single lap, and we don't yet know if it will be covered by warranty. Definitely 100% worth doing pads and fluid as Jack said, as well as getting track insurance (Lockton was about $200 for me, Hagerty quoted about double). The extra expense provided safety and peace of mind, on top of getting full advantage of having an instructor coach me towards the limit, practicing threshold braking. The "free" track day ended up costing almost $1k, but it was well worth it to rekindle the love of driving that DC metropolitan traffic has been eroding for the past several years. Still surprised that Toyota, of all companies, was the one to kick start my new money pit of a hobby. I gotta say, I love what Akio Toyoda has done with the place! UPDATE: Dealer service says it was a mis-shift/over rev that killed the engine; but the log reads what appears to be a successful shift from 3rd to 4th, followed by a spike to 10k RPM somehow.

@jonasbaine3538

2 жыл бұрын

wow what was the guy doing wrong to the engine for it to blow after 1 lap?

@danlee3939

2 жыл бұрын

​@@jonasbaine3538 Tracking at 8k miles on the factory oil fill seems to be the culprit; I don't think he money shifted, but that's not entirely ruled out either. His instructor told me not a lot of oil leaked out and he suspects it was low. NASA guidelines say to have fresh fluids or at least top them off for a reason, as it turns out.

@BeanyB0b

2 жыл бұрын

@@danlee3939 shouldn’t tech have spotted that?

@danlee3939

2 жыл бұрын

​@@BeanyB0b You'd think so. I'm keeping in contact with the driver to see what Toyota determines to be the cause of the engine failure, and whether it's covered under warranty. Will try to remember to share that info here.

@lsbugsbunny92

2 жыл бұрын

@@danlee3939 I spoke with the owner on Reddit, I pretty much broke down to him what his mistakes were in not changing the oil at 3k miles.

Love seeing this update even if I have the first gen version!

You guys make the best content. Thank you! Don’t change

Fantastic fantastic content! Any video you guys release on the GR86 is a video I immediately click on and like.

Three months in, my GR86 already has a dented hood because of a rock on the highway hitting the light aluminum hood and rock chips in the front because the paint is paper thin. I haven't got hood flutter over 75 mph but the stupid turn signal stock does glitch out from time to time making my turn signals take on weird timings. When my break in period was done and I needed an oil change (free that comes with the car, my local Toyota dealer didn't have the necessary parts so I had to go to my local Subaru dealer and pay them for an oil change. Finally, the primacy tires have trouble keeping grip even on a dry road with the increased power so I really need to save up for winter tires because I know the primacy tires won't be able to handle snow at all.

@Barbwire710

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear that. I had a first gen for nearly 4 years and it definitely needed a repaint on the front bumper a year or two in, 50:50 split on highway and street driving. PPF on the front bumper and hood minimum is a must if you need pristine paint.

@ak2112

2 жыл бұрын

Front end really does love rock chips. I avoid highways whenever I can because of it. The Primacys are fun when it's warm and dry but add a little rain and they really lose their shit. I'll be throwing some Continental Viking Contact 7s on a set of first gen wheels for the winter.

@jonasbaine3538

2 жыл бұрын

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@gwot

2 жыл бұрын

That's just a sign telling you to get a carbon fiber hood, it's a lot more dent resistant :D, oh, and get paint protection.

@12ealDealOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

@@gwot Or a bra. I don't think this car would look bad with one.

For comparison sake: a 2019 Type R with 77k miles is capable of 24.6MPG average, and 29-33mpg on the highway depending on conditions at 75-80mpg. Anyway, love to see what You’ve done with this GR86. It’s giving me ideas.

@lucky889s9

Жыл бұрын

Subaru is not known to make fuel efficient engines, unlike toyota. Plus it's a boxer, it could never better inline for consumption

Very excited to see what you guys have in store for GR86 modifications. Modifying cars is a whole other world to car ownership, and adds to the journey if you're an enthusiast. If you guys ever think it will be a good idea, maybe you guys could also get into radar detectors. It's a very good, practical mod that will keep young baboons out of trouble, and a little more aware of the boys in blue coming to take their bananas. Some of the top dogs that come to mind are the Uniden R8, Escort 360 Redline, & Valentine One V2. Fair, warning, they're a little costly, but they might make a good video, possibly for a tech Wednesday, if Mark ever feels like investing in trying them out for the channel. I'm shopping for one right now, and from doing research, there's a lot to them, and a lot of difference between brands that may make for interesting content.

Good work guys. I have got used to the indicator thing and now quite like it :)

Another point about the fuel efficiency of the 86/BRZ twins, is that theses cars, like so many small displacement sports cars, require premium fuel to operate fully to their potential. So go ahead and add another roughly 30% or more in fuel costs than a "normal" car, which places them near pickup truck territory.

@khronin

2 жыл бұрын

I have driven these and they have no power at all--especially HWy--mid range to top end--NADA.I have a Kona N and not only was it cheaper==it would trounce this on a drg race or at a track.

This car is all around such a good driver’s car at least in the manual configuration. I’m telling everybody I know to consider this above a Miata below a supra and below a Z car. Having driven them all my choice would be the GR 86

@fortheloveofnoise9298

2 жыл бұрын

Miata is still better....better built/more reliable engine...as well as more fun, and a drop top is a MUST! Grandparents were too worried about me when I had such a small car, the stress was going to cause them to have a stroke, so I got the "safer" Camaro...lol.

@boygonewhoopdataZZ

2 жыл бұрын

Both of you have horrible opinions. There exists a car that is far better than all four listed and it is a Hyundai.

@NewCastleIndiana

2 жыл бұрын

​@@boygonewhoopdataZZ Elantra N? Or Veloster or Kona? I've driven the V on track, with Hyundai's chief car guy, and I just drove the Elantra. They are good in their own right.

@Middleguy37

2 жыл бұрын

Better then a miata, no.

@juniormirandagr86

2 жыл бұрын

@@fortheloveofnoise9298 I drove a newer Miata and it was fun for a bit and I couldn’t really fit in it comfortably like I can the 86, I’m 6’0 and the Miata wasn’t for me 😅 which sucks cause I did like driving it. And it don’t think it would be the best for a daily considering the trunk space and comfortability than I get from the 86

Great video! Looking forward to the future videos of this car

Looking forward to this build series!

MPG on my last fill up was 20.6 MPG 80% city, calculated miles driven/amount of gas. The digital info readout seems 2-3 miles on the generous side. It's a 2022 BRZ Limited 6MT driven 60% of time with fuel economy in mind (short shifting).

@markmiller3279

2 жыл бұрын

Ouch! That's sad.

@JasonISF

2 жыл бұрын

That's terrible. Although my old 2014 BRZ wasn't great either!

@alexandram9477

2 жыл бұрын

@@JasonISF the car is a throwback sports car, could've engineered it to favor fuel economy but instead decided to favor squeaking out max performance, it's an amazing car for the money if you like light/well balanced RWD cars.

@JasonISF

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexandram9477 yes exactly, if I bought the 'new' BRZ I couldn't care less about the fuel economy as it would only be a weekend or track car anyway. My daily driver does 50 mpg.

If there's some of you guys that have some mechanical DIY ability that want this car, but can't afford it or don't want payments, check out the 128i with a manual. Get sport seats as well if you can. Yes you will need to do some maintenance and it will need more of it down the road. But for 1/4 the price, you get a fairly reliable inline 6 that actually sounds good, gets better MPG than the 86, and has lots of cheap brake and handling options from other BMWs, and with headers it sounds 1000x better the 86, and with 3 stage manifold and tune it's probably faster. Not only that, but it uses actual hydraulic steering and the feel is amazing.

Great long-term video. I look forward to you guys doing a winter driving video to see how this car performs in snow.

amazing work as always

This is great and the GR86 is one of the cars on my track day/weekend list of potential buys (once we're into the depths of recession of course) I know tier lists aren't really your thing, but a track day/weekend sports car tier list would be helpful. I am especially curious if stepping up in price will make for a better car or using the same money on upgrades. ie. Tier examples on my list. GR86/ND2 or Golf R/GR Corolla/Type R or Supra/Nissan Z or Entry Porsche/Vette. Obviously a huge range here, but where is the money worth the upgrade and where is it better to spend on aftermarket upgrades.

@hereigoagain5050

2 жыл бұрын

Doesn't matter. No matter what you get, you will want more, and track days drain you piggy bank faster than dating.

@jayjacaty3009

2 жыл бұрын

Truth. Start with something with cheap cost of consumables. That often rules out Corvettes and the like. I also think it has to do with mindset as well. Don't go out trying to "win the track day". Focus on your driving, not turning it into a competition. Poof! You just saved yourself shitloads of money.

@takeit1229

2 жыл бұрын

Hahah hilarious and true answers. I should have added I have an NB Miata I keep throwing money at, but it's got some real issues creeping up now and I want to move to a newer platform. I also wanted something to double as a weekend car, but keeping it cheap and saving for all the costs associated with track running is probably still the way to go.

SavageGeese 50th Anniversary video Blueray set release is going to have Kodak moments like 6:46 snuck in.

My BRZ just arrived after ordering in Dec. It was a nerve wracking wait because I ordered the car after your reviews but hadn’t seen one much less get a test drive. Never thought I would put down $30k without a test drive! Just gotta say is Thank You! The BRZ is everything I wanted in performance. Jack take all the time you want on these videos. I’ll be listening to help improve this amazing car

@morbidelm2783

Жыл бұрын

how i wish i was in your position right now

Great vid looking forward to the next one!

I realize that the car was not about MPG to begin with but it's a bit unfortunate that it has such underwhelming fuel economy considering the power output. Also good to see CSG mentioned- I've gotten a lot of help from Mike a few yrs ago when I was still interested in modifying cars :)

@12ealDealOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

Car's too heavy, unfortunately. Too much tech. Aftermarket might be able to bring this car down for weight considerably.

@markmiller3279

2 жыл бұрын

@@12ealDealOfficial Moderate weight differences have little effect on highway fuel economy. Once a mass has been accelerated, it wants to keep moving, however large a mass it is. Fuel efficiency is determined by speed, aerodynamics, and to some extent the engine. Efficiency at 80 mph always suffers compared to lower speeds, so it's possible this could squeeze out 30 mpg at 50-60 mph. Some have noted that the short sixth gear means the engine is turning over needlessly fast at 80, and that is inefficient. I don't know the numbers, but that's certainly possible. It's why modern autoboxes are more efficient than manuals.

@lucky889s9

Жыл бұрын

Subaru is not known to make fuel efficient engines, unlike toyota. Plus it's a boxer, it could never better inline for consumption

Even though I ordered a Camaro SS 1LE for the track, I will still be following this series closely. I really enjoy these types of vids, and this channels in-depth analysis and delivery will be fantastic. PS - try to find a SS 1LE around you, it's not as crazy as a ZL-1, but it's been called a "cheater car" in SCCA clubs for a reason supposedly. And if you throw better tires on it, it's even more incredible naturally, but it starts doing some insane times. And it's suspension, NA power, greats shifting trans, chassis, and just enough power makes it very usable.

@jackholmes8105

2 жыл бұрын

I have actually been asking for s 1le for literally years

@realbigtuna667

2 жыл бұрын

I'd love one as a track only car. From a pure performance perspective, almost nothing comes close dollar for dollar. But for street, I can't justify it. My rub with the camaro is the lack of visibility. The side windows are literally the height of the length my hand and rear visibility is also seriously lacking. I could also barely get my duffel bag in the trunk due to the tiny opening. Unacceptable imo for a car as big as it is. The mustang doesn't have these problems. So, mustang GT for street, Camaro SS for track.

@PiroFyre

2 жыл бұрын

If you do autox with the SCCA, it's THE CAR to have for F Street class. And it doesn't just stop there as per the SCCA Solo rules, with all the current gen 1LEs, you can run camber bolts and gain -3 camber up front and still run in FS class. This is because the engineers managed to put in crash bolts in their repair manual and that made it legal per the rules. This is why they call it a cheater car because not many cars in that class nor other classes can get out to -3 camber from factory.

@joe718gt4

2 жыл бұрын

I wish I didn't give up mine

@brownwhale5518

2 жыл бұрын

No offense to you but do others like me get tired of people yacking about ‘track use’? Everyone doesn’t live an hour or less from a track that’s worth a crap. I certainly don’t. I’ve been considering a SS 1LE for a while now (probably won’t buy jack due to wife ‘hating cars’) but screw this ‘track use’ or ‘street use’ crap. To me if it’s a street legal then it’s NOT a ‘track car’. The term ‘track car’ is a word someone made up (marketers or people who were to poor to own a race car). Hell watch Nurburgring stuff during open days. All those cars are ‘track cars’ 😂.

Thank you for not playing crap music over everything. And thank you for not using hyperbole and crazy zooms and cartoon effects

Y’all some of the best in the biz man.

My 3.4L Flat six Cayman GTS does 35 mpg in the highway.

wow. It actually sounds like an engine now. Admittedly, just a middling 4Cyl from the 90's that isn't Vtec, but still better than a knockoff dyson.

Britt Casey is a great addition to the video! Looking forward to more from you guys!

Hell yeah guys! Been subbed since the old FRS got boosted. Unobtainium now, but everything will come together. Just chomping at the bit till the world is not on fire

Is it going to be a typical subie boxer engine with ringland failure as soon as you push the power?

Do you mind commenting on rev hang and throttle response? Some members of the GR86 forums swear the rev hang is a massive detractor from the enjoyment of the car, while others swear they hadn't noticed any rev hang. I assume the reality is somewhere in between. What are your thoughts?

@kirkblackadar7299

2 жыл бұрын

A lightweight crank pulley will help with this.. and LW flywheel too if you're doing a clutch. Helped in my impreza rx and street cars

@XxUltimateGodzXx

2 жыл бұрын

Rev hang is barely noticeable. To put it in comparison to the civic Si, it's night and day better. And because the clutch bite is closer to you than it is the engine, the slight hang is actually good otherwise you'd have to engage the clutch much faster due to the distance it needs to travel to engage. Don't worry about rev hang and if it bothers you, a lighter weight flywheel could help plus a clutch adjustment so it engages closer to the engine side.

Thank you for this.

So looking forward to the next video!

I was about to go to bed (in Australia) but guess not yet!!

15:04 FINALLY, somebody addressed mpg, 4 cylinder car with V8 highway mpg! WTF! That disqualified it for me!

@andrewrossnagel9433

2 жыл бұрын

The difference between 25mpg and 30mpg for every 10,000 miles @ $5/Gallon is $333. You must manage a Red Lobster hedge fund.

@norri8ws

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewrossnagel9433 gr86 is averaging 22, I drive at least 12000 miles a year, gas is 6.5$, that’s 1000$ a year. That matters. I didn’t mind spending more when I was driving some great sounding v8 or i6, but 4 cylinder, I refuse to spend more.

@andrewrossnagel9433

2 жыл бұрын

@@norri8ws You're comparing average MPG for GR86 to best case scenario for FT86.....lol stop. So again let's use math but this time with actual real numbers, 22 average vs 24 for the older model ( I'll even give you 26mpg and your $6.50/G to show how silly you are).. ...And with your exaggerated numbers the delta is only $450/10,000 miles. When you use the corredt data it's a $212/10,000 miles. Just stop ✋️

@norri8ws

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewrossnagel9433 don’t call people silly it’s rude. It was miss understanding, I thought we were compering gr86 to 30mpg car not new vs old, I was comparing gr86 with 22mpg to an 30mpg car like Miata.

Man I've been watching all of your videos! For years amazing content. if I can ask for something it's only some night shots interior & exterior lights.

looking forward to the next episode!

This gets ~10mpg less than a Miata. That is insane.

@daveunknown01

2 жыл бұрын

The fact that i can squeeze 17mpg out of my 5000lb 30 year old suburban on the hwy raises even more questions about this cars fuel economy.

@g60corrado91

2 жыл бұрын

@@daveunknown01 no kidding. I just took a 300 mile road trip in a 2021 Highlander XSE with the 3.5L full of camping gear and 2 passengers and we averaged 30mpg calculating with the Fuelly app. We were doing 72-78mph. I’m guessing total weight was near 5000lbs. I’m still shocked we got 30, but we did have a tailwind on the way home, so maybe that’s the reason. And as the owner of an ND1 Miata, I can confirm I got 30-31mpg in the dead of winter on 93 octane. In the summer I run E85 and I get anywhere from 23-27mpg.

@beexiong2995

2 жыл бұрын

The gearing is super aggressive and short. This causes high rev cruising speeds lowering the mpg quite a bit. The auto gets better because the gearing isnt as bad as well as a better rear diff ratio. The miata is 600lbs lighter than the gr86 of course its gonna get way better gas mileage and its got a smaller motor so less fuel to begin with. Drop 600lbs on the 86 and it will do 35 mpg.

@g60corrado91

2 жыл бұрын

@@beexiong2995 one thing you’re forgetting is that the Miata also has super short gearing. I don’t remember exactly where my ND is at doing 80, but it’s well over 3000rpm. And I have taller 215/45 tires on it effectively making the gearing taller (factory is 205/45/17 on the Clubs). ND’s don’t have overdrive - the 6th gear is 1:1. The gearing is so short that you have to grab 3rd gear to hit 60mph in a stock ND1, ND2’s do over 60 because of their 7500rpm limiter versus 6800 on a stock ND1. Weight itself is a factor as you mentioned, but I think the bigger factor is the inefficiency of Subaru’s boxer engines. When a near-ton heavier AWD V6 Highlander is doing 30mpg with no hybrid wizardry, etc., we have a problem!

@beexiong2995

2 жыл бұрын

@@g60corrado91 i have owned a highlander and a RX450H hybrid and they do not get anywhere near 30mpg. 24mpg combined is more accurate

So, does the fluttering hood indicate that air is getting stuck under the car? Could be an argument for some sort of aftermarket hood vents. Apparently fuel economy is worse than a Civic Type R, not to mention worse than my 2010 Boxster S? That's disappointing. BTW, Mark should be able to store his Man Supplies in the compartment at the back/top of the central console in the S2000.

Hi guys, thank you so much for the long term review! Please carry on! What suspension adjustment is it possible? Any front camber possible? etc etc? Thank you!!

Valuable video, thx boys