Now we need the Rivian retested and both the HMMWV EV and Hummer EV tested the same way. A leaderboard of electric trucks with towing range and acceleration would be pretty sweet as more options reach the market.

@kingzach74

Жыл бұрын

He already tested the Rivian.

@SupernovaeTech

Жыл бұрын

@@kingzach74 It would be interesting to see how much the range improves in warmer weather

@hazard_209

Жыл бұрын

​@@SupernovaeTech plus tires and figuring the tongue weight in.

@Mr_MikeMikeMike

Жыл бұрын

@@kingzach74 hence the "retested"

@bitelogger

Жыл бұрын

Totally agreed

That backup assist is awesome for backing a jetski trailer, those short trailers are a PIA. With the rear camera and the backup assist it a POC...Piece Of Cake!

My girlfriend got her Lightning in November 2022, and I think she loves her truck more than she loves me. I'm joking of course . . . . I KNOW she does! I don't blame her, it's absolutely incredible; SO MUCH FUN TO DRIVE! 😀👍 Great video as always Zack! Thanks brother!

Try it in the wintertime, when it's snowing and blowing with outside temp of 10 degrees. That would be interesting.

@MeltingRubberZ28

Жыл бұрын

Yeah with the heater blasting

@Johnny-es1wl

Жыл бұрын

Lol, 5 miles at best.

@bfields1448

Жыл бұрын

Junk

@Ragranos

Жыл бұрын

Nah then you guys would just invent some other niche unlikely scenario where ICE beats EV. You search for the conditions that make EVs bad because you're scared.

@lumicolour1

Жыл бұрын

Only if he tests a fossil powered truck under the same conditions.

12 secs while towing 10k lbs of weight is insane

@roosoorschot93

Жыл бұрын

While going up!

@XLRSAv

Жыл бұрын

My Honda Ridgeline does that by itself on a dry day! 😅

@chadd587

Жыл бұрын

Range: 50 miles

@blue_ig1

Жыл бұрын

@@chadd587 it had about a hundred

@chadd587

Жыл бұрын

@@blue_ig1 lol yeah on a full charge too

That's my e-GOLF charging next to you that's rated for 124 miles. It's crazy that you can match my range while towing 10K.

@coldnapalmFJ

Жыл бұрын

Well the lightning was 100k how much was your golf cart ?

@MumstheThird

Жыл бұрын

@coldnapalmFJ MSRP was $31K, back in 2017. But the dealer discounted it $4K, NY state paid for $2K, and then I got the $7.5k federal rebate, so not factoring taxes and registration, I paid $17.5k and VW fiananced it at 0%.

Excellent, honest test of the Lightening. For the moment I had already ruled out EV's, as we have a travel trailer and needing to stop every 100 miles or so and wait 30+ minutes to charge is not practical. Thanks for your report

@stangman962

Жыл бұрын

Also have you seen an accessible charger with a trailer attached??

@oldmanrock7542

Жыл бұрын

Same here. Traveling with a camp trailer is not going to work with an EV.

@wishusknight3009

5 ай бұрын

The best place I see EV Trucks working is either a local delivery or if all your work with your tool trailer is local. With in this scenario i can see these trucks having huge advantages, but perhaps not much outside that.

It's nice seeing a test like this with no obvious bias. Good job.

Nothing like Zack pushing the limits of every vehicle!

@YAHUWAHISKING

Жыл бұрын

You mean shilling

@Mr.BobsDog

Жыл бұрын

You mean pineapple

@andrasbrunczel3777

Жыл бұрын

He is pushing literally everything to its limits

@kyohiromitsu4010

Жыл бұрын

Too much monry

@techs1smh13

Жыл бұрын

I want the H1 take my DMAX engine trans install.

I want to see this done with the Rivian again, under the same conditions (spring weather, road tires). If you do, it would be good to know if Rivian has provided any software updates since your first towing test (perhaps they've improved the range estimations when towing and/or added options to see more data on the screen).

@navithefairy

Жыл бұрын

Especially the cold weather makes a really big difference

@zachbendixen21

Жыл бұрын

Rivian increased the range by around 20 miles since his test via a software update.

@cruiser97eric1

Жыл бұрын

Also the route followed and the average speed needs to be the same to have a fair comparison.

@SaltySouthTexan

Жыл бұрын

@@navithefairy Not in a gasoline truck!

@SaltySouthTexan

Жыл бұрын

@@zachbendixen21 20 whole miles??? HAHAHAHAHAHA. I could almost make it halfway out of the ranch.

Awesome content, thank you Ford for the loan. Great interesting video.

Pulled my 5500lb trailer with my dad's 16 f150 2.7. Towed it 180 miles to the track, towed it back, and still had 100 more miles if not more of range.....man I love gas 🤣

@michaelallen2870

Жыл бұрын

AWESOME COMMENT

@eagle25311

Жыл бұрын

I love diesel more. 600 miles of range.

@camonly849

Жыл бұрын

@Ryan M ya idk if it's worth it with light weight. You might get 2 mpgs better...which isn't anything.

@alekseyabramchuk6718

Жыл бұрын

I love my Cummins more

@camonly849

Жыл бұрын

@@alekseyabramchuk6718 diesel is awesome, but it would upset me if I got the same mpg and am paying more in gas.

9:53 Goes to show the crazy amount of engineering that goes into making these machines efficient. No one could've seen this coming 20 years ago.

@tschuuuls486

Жыл бұрын

Other than GM, that had an awesome electric car but killed it (GM EV1).

@randho5150

Жыл бұрын

Elon saw it coming.

@kyohiromitsu4010

Жыл бұрын

Yeah for all that money i could buy a semi truck

@Ryan-sw3km

Жыл бұрын

​@@tschuuuls486 that thing was kinda a junker. The battery was crap in anything but super ideal conditions

@ryanvirgil1395

Жыл бұрын

electric vehicles have always been more efficient than gas ones. This is why your gas engine gets so dang hot because it's less than 35% efficient (all waste heat). EV is like 85% efficient.

7:13 so if you switch it to one pedal mode, it actually applies full re-gen as soon as you let off. You can come to a complete stop without using the brake on one pedal too

@JerryRigEverything

Жыл бұрын

I normally have one pedal mode enabled. But when I switched to tow mode it disabled one pedal driving.

@Scott-sm9nm

Жыл бұрын

Good nugget there. thx. -- "SWITCHING ONE PEDAL DRIVE ON AND OFF -- Press CONTROLS; Press Drive Modes; Switch 1-Pedal Drive on or off."

@IGmeanwell

Жыл бұрын

Yep Lightning disables one pedal while in Tow/Haul mode. Can’t really control the regen.

@wolfpack09nh48

Жыл бұрын

Bro… it’s against physics to keep regen/stopping with a trailer attached..it can get jackknifed for being stupid

@Scott-sm9nm

Жыл бұрын

@@wolfpack09nh48, A well designed regen system will work just like regular brakes as far as trailer towing is concerned. Regen systems can turn on the brake lights and thus trigger the trailer brakes as well just as if you manually were applying physical brakes. In a few electric vehicles I've owned the brake lights turn on during 'harder' regen. In fact, there are laws/regulations related to the G force limits when brake lights are engaged.

Can't wait to tow my boat with one of these. The 3.5 hr trip from St Louis to lake of the Ozarks will only take 4 days with charging. What an awesome future!

I'm not even goin to watch this. My Uncle bought the Lightning 2 years ago... so proud of it UNTIL!!! He tried to tow his 1,100 pound camper 250 miles and it didn't even make it 150 before it died lol. He is now very proud of his new Ran 2500 diesel!

1:07 well the warmer temps alone will make the range go up quite a bit. Definitely do it again with the Rivian in this weather for a good comparison!

@SN-hn9zi

Жыл бұрын

He says that at the beginning

@kazzxtrismus

Жыл бұрын

rivian battery is heated....itll only effect the first few minutes (maybe 20 mins?)

@derteater

Жыл бұрын

​@@kazzxtrismus wanna tell me how they heat up the batteries?

@kingzach74

Жыл бұрын

@@kazzxtrismus That probably actually killed the range from the fact that it had to heat up the batteries.

@wildepawthefox

Жыл бұрын

@@kazzxtrismusWarmer air is less dense, meaning it’ll have less effects on the car. The drag in hot air is smaller than cold air. Nothing to do with heated batteries

You should redo the Rivian test in this same weather. I bet they’re neck and neck! The previous winter drive in the Rivian puts it at a significant disadvantage.

@Aragorn450

Жыл бұрын

The real question would be if Rivian fixed their range estimates. That was the biggest issue with the Rivian's test...

@jarmis777

Жыл бұрын

@@Aragorn450 that as well

@ericroe

Жыл бұрын

The weather I'm sure played a big part of it, but remember the Rivian is more aerodynamic than the Lightning, so the Lighting will loose slightly less range than the Rivian with the non-aerodynamic load behind it.

@jarmis777

Жыл бұрын

@@ericroe good point.

@USUG0

Жыл бұрын

indeed, as it always comes down to aerodynamic drag, the larger frontal area of the lighting as compared to the rivian, comes in handy when towing a brick like the hummer. Poking out slightly less.

I love your voice. You have this calm voice during teardown's you don't strain or force words just smooth and and you pronounce you words on key. You make a mistake there is no silent pause no awkwardness like you meant for it. And most people like that seem emotionless when they speak but you're not. You can hear the variations and tone changes. It's a very calming voice. You would make a very good interrogator. While someone is trying to get under your skin to make themselves fire up and become defensive. You remain calm and throw them off their game. It's just WOW! Rare to hear a voice like that.

I looked at trading my F150 in for a lightning. The dealer asked about mileage when towing and I told him, I go from 22MPG bare to 9.5 when towing my big motorcycle trailer. He told me that I wouldn't get more 50-75 miles when towing. You're test kind of confirms that. My trailer is lighter than your test trailer, but it is a big, flat faced, enclosed trailer, so a huge amount of wind resistance.

@eagle25311

Жыл бұрын

Yup electric trucks aren't even close to getting to the hunter crowd either. You have to drive to the woods in the cold, spend several days out there, then drive back. It's gonna be a while before an electric truck can be used for hunting trips.

Love to see all trucks tow, especially here in Utah. Maybe try something many do where they tow there boat up to Strawberry go fishing and drive back down to the valley. I personally would like to see if a 18 to 20 bass boat (dual axle) can be towed to strawberry and back. Or a longer trip to Flaming Gorge, where you would need to charge on the way there. A boat is a bit more aerodynamic so it would be interesting, and less weight. BTW: Great job Zack!

I am here for the drone shots....and I am not disappointed. Those snow covered mountains!

@gcauldwell

Жыл бұрын

Now, I MUST go back and watch the entire thing again!

According to Rivian the A/T tires rob 54 miles of range. As a fellow Rivian owner I’d be interested in those results. Love the content.

@hdvictoryford5329

Жыл бұрын

Rivian R1T Owner's $42,000 Repair Bill - The Shocking Cost Of A Minor Fender Bender On A $73,000 Electric Truck

Very insightful video! Enjoyed how you showed the reverse pilot on the Ford lighting!

super impressive, for daily towing a lighter load with landscaping equipment etc, this would have more than enough range to get around town. good job ford!

@lemongavine

Жыл бұрын

Around town, you’ll get much more range vs. freeway driving so yeah, it would do great for that. You could probably even have enough excess energy to charge electric mowers, trimmers, etc. from the onboard outlets. If I were starting a landscaping company, I would 100% have electric equipment and and electric truck. Cost savings would add up quickly.

@fastfed

Жыл бұрын

And yet not 1 single professional bought this truck for professional use lmfao . Evs are useless

@logitech4873

Жыл бұрын

@@fastfed Source: trust me bro

@kyleftw1679

Жыл бұрын

​@@logitech4873You're a liberal, so you can't even trust your own assigned gender.

@justing224

Жыл бұрын

@@fastfed in Madison WI, the city gas sector switched to pretty much all Lightnings

I'm not even a car guy, let alone a truck guy, but you've sold me on the lightning 😂

@fjalics

Жыл бұрын

How much do you know about the lightning? That frunk is really well done, and the power in the frunk sounds really nice. It even has 220V in the back. The pack in the lightning is in a completely different weight class than a starter battery. You don't do anything to it playing the radio.

@REAPEROFTOES

Жыл бұрын

I am really holding out for a Maverick Lighting. I don't need a truck for towing and what not but I'd like a truck bed for my bikes.

@gabrielgalaxygh

Жыл бұрын

They're around 100k somif you buy it you're a moron unfortunately. A fool and his money are easily parted

@safetylast911

Жыл бұрын

Remember that was starting at 100% you will never be starting at 100% when towing distance. Like taking your trailer camping or boat to the lake. So 100 miles is optimistic. Get gas/diesel for towing electric for cars

@dawsongranger4940

Жыл бұрын

I still wouldn’t get an electric truck for towing. If you’re road-tripping or using a camper an electric truck is useless. 100 miles is nowhere’s near enough for towing applications. Maybe in 10-15 years when some new battery is invented

Thank you for clarifying this time that the power for towing isn’t the issue, rather range 😎😀

I want to see same test 15 years later and 250k miles on the dash how it had effected the range

@hdvictoryford5329

Жыл бұрын

Rivian R1T Owner's $42,000 Repair Bill - The Shocking Cost Of A Minor Fender Bender On A $73,000 Electric Truck

Fantastic video thanks -must admit it went further that I thought it would. Awesome reverse assist. Been backing up trailers for close on 40 years so it doesn’t intimidate me but that’s a nice feature anyway! Unfortunately that truck is still way too expensive to meet my ROI expectations as a simple weekend warrior…

@davedavenport8673

Жыл бұрын

Have you done the Total Cost to Operate calcs? It might surprise you. Most people only calculate monthly payment since many ICE vehicles are the close to the same on other operating costs, but EVs are different. You can have higher payments because fuel is way cheaper and very little cost on maintenance.

Great content as always. Love the drone shots, pretty cool being able to see portions of your drive from above and following along with Google Maps. :)

Most pickup owners (ie, not people who actually use them for work), who are all hat and no cattle, won't be bothered by not being able to do work with a truck. That's why most pickups are family station wagons with a vestigial bed that won't hold sheets of plywood or drywall.

I pulled 10k behind a 2003 Chevy Silverado 1500 5.3L and it did hurt the milage, but it didn't hurt the range that bad

@kosiranze

Жыл бұрын

you do realize though that mileage and range are EXACTLY proportional to eachother?

I own a mini electric vehicle myself! Very fun to drive! It's a hoverboard! It has some power!🤣

A mild package super duty has lots of those features as well including the trailor park assist which if you can actually back a trailor up the assist is actually confusing

So, this confirms, again, towing with an EV any considerable distance would be a complete pain. Great to see a station where you can tow without disconnecting the trailer though. The torque is insane and superior here, but not realistic for vast majority of regular haulers. Will be cool to see when the energy density of batteries improves!! And that 12 seconds, nuts.

Looks like a spring time test is needed with the Rivian, for a more even comparison

Great video! The lightning did better than I thought!

@robertdoyle8785

Жыл бұрын

I don't understand why the EV crowd keeps under estimating FoMoCo and GMs electric offerings. Yes, they aren't always going to be on the cutting edge of technology like a start up like Rivian or new kid on the block Tesla. But none in the world has more experience building pickups than they do. There is a reason Rivian made a partnership with Ford to begin with.

you didn’t need the humvee, you could’ve just used my friends mom

@nadimsap

Жыл бұрын

What are you using than??

@AChi__

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 Or Al Bundy's mother in-law aka Peggy's mom 😂

@mayankbarlawar

Жыл бұрын

​@@nadimsap Because he is american kid

@anthonyassaf2998

Жыл бұрын

Wtfffff

@skylacowan3126

Жыл бұрын

🤯🤯🤯🤯☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️🤣🤣🤣🤣 my dude you ain’t right lol that’s messed up.

Great video about an amazing truck! I haven't needed to tow anything in mine yet, so this is very helpful info. Thanks!

I am 62 years old and have bought a new Ford truck every two years since the age of 28, I have owned a considerable number of them. I also used them in my business but those were only replaced as needed. Last year a lifelong friend (Rodney) and I decided to order two Ford Lightnings at the same time, boy was that a mistake. Both trucks had terrible electrical issues from day one. Sometimes they would not take a charge, other times the battery monitoring systems gave faulty readings, and the list goes on and on. Finally, my local dealer ask if we wanted to return the trucks for my usual F250 diesel, in which I did and Rodney just returned his with a full refund. Thanks but NO THANKS :)

With out F150 Lightning and the 4-hour trailer (which is basically a big 25 foot long, 8.5 x 8.5 foot box (height and width) box (with rounded front), the big cost is aerodynamic drag on the highway. We get around 1 mile/kWh when doing long trips (just did 110 mile round trip yesterday) I do wish that we could get a bit more range - would need more batteries. But when you consider than the batteries in the F150 has the energy equivalent of just under 4 gallons of gasoline, that is really not a bad range while towing nearly 10,000 pounds of bulky trailer. (PS - aerodynamic drag is much more of an impact than weight when traveling at highway speeds)

@roosoorschot93

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! It's efficient. And refining the oil also costs a lot of energy, because it happens at a few hundred degrees.

@lesstevens2370

Жыл бұрын

I would say it has the equivalent of 7 gallons of gas because of the inefficiency of gas motors only being around 30% the rest of the fuel goes out your tail pipe and your engine bay by heat

@MichaelSinz

Жыл бұрын

@@lesstevens2370 Well, you can say that but that is not right either. Would be more like 8 if you want to count the inefficiency but then my 2500HD only got 8 mpg when towing the horse trailer which would be 64 miles with 8 gallons and yet the Ford will do 120 with the trailer at highway speeds. (Ok, the 2500HD is older and has a massive v8 gasoline engine, but still) The physics of gasoline is that 1 gallon of gasoline is around 33.7 kwh of energy.- thus with getting around 1 mile per kwh, the Lightning is around 33.7mpg equivalent when towing at highway speeds with that big trailer.

@lesstevens2370

Жыл бұрын

@Michael Sinz I agree with your statement yet it is being manipulated by big oil and gas because of the usd being based on oil and not the gold standard so evs threatens the very thing that drives the American society and now because of corruption and greed the very thing that made America great is gone and now it's an empty shell living off its had beens for the last 50 years and that is an empty tank that is full of nothing but gas fumes that could explode any minute there is a spark of opposition

It’s cool that your maxing out the towing and giving us the results. But most people that buy an electric truck are not towing this much. It wouldn’t mKe sense. I wanna see how far you can tow a 4000lbs travel trailer.

@cherrytreepermaculture756

Жыл бұрын

Honestly aerodynamics matter much more than weight with an EV. Check out All Electric Family.

@rkan2

Жыл бұрын

​@@cherrytreepermaculture756Not just EV :P

The low range is a killer for EV trucks especially when you use it usually in rough conditions

@vidznstuff1

Жыл бұрын

30MPGe in this truck while towing 10,000 is not a killer at all. Most contractors drive 65 miles a day tops and fuel is a huge expense.

@JamieGuzmam

Жыл бұрын

Evs qre trash absolutely trash

@cliffordmontana4562

Жыл бұрын

@@vidznstuff1 Fuel is a big expense, but you can get a gas xl trim f150 for 45-50k and you have LOTS of money for gas. 10 years worth approximately. And in ten years these batteries will be toast. I’m not against electric vehicles, I’m against democrats shoving them down our throats. If you tow, take long vacations or don’t have a garage with a charger to park in, then electric vehicles are terrible.

@francismarion6400

Жыл бұрын

So do people charge those trucks in their garages?

@Subwolfer7564

6 ай бұрын

@@cliffordmontana4562 You're against EV's. Tired of people coming out saying they hate them because of politics (nonexistent laws based on republican fearmongering tactics), then turning it around and claiming they're neutral. nobody has forced anything. 10 years is a very low number based on real world statistics (its cited on the right with nothing factual behind it). 45-50k is a stretch with these stealer ships

156 miles of range … and I think these are running around $100,000 😂 that’s incredible what a bargain!

@robbobcat7286

Жыл бұрын

love it!

@richardbrimage983

Жыл бұрын

Think I’ll keep my F350 diesel for my 12000 lb fifth wheel.

@davidroman1654

Жыл бұрын

@@richardbrimage983 Just replaced my 2021 Chevy 3.0 (only because it was stolen) with a new 2023 Chevy Silverado 3.0. Last summer's trip was about 3,500 miles of towing a 32' 6,800lb trailer from west Texas to Colorado Springs, Utah, Arizona and New Mexico. Averaged 13+ mpg towing. Range is about 250 or better and 10 minutes to fill up. Thanks by NO thanks with the EV for towing. And highway driving mileage was around 26-28 so the range was 600+ miles and again 10 minutes to fill up the tank.

@allaboutroofing2

Жыл бұрын

​@@davidroman1654that's great milage for towing, especially in Colorado springs and all the elevation gains. I wasn't aware they had a 3.0L, do you have any comparison to how it performed vs a V8? I'm shocked you could tow that much with such small displacement!

@duradim1

Жыл бұрын

You have to be kidding.

I personally would have used chain lanyards not ratchet straps. But I would say a good review on this video.

@austinvanderberg3748

Жыл бұрын

he used a backup bungeee. all good.

Should tow a bumper pull camper of the same weight. The wind drag would be interesting to observe.

Super useful. This is inspiring. Not yet ideal but not as bad as I thought. Much better actually. Same test under cold conditions would be also useful. Thank you!

@kennedy98796

Жыл бұрын

it would be a lot different in colder weather, even hand held lithium tools have a shorter battery when its cold

Great video test like this must be done on these electric trucks and comparisons between different brands is super important. Honestly my only issue with any of it is idk how anybody can justify waiting 40 minutes to get a full “tank.” Would drive me insane.

@crashedking1931

Жыл бұрын

and then only another 100 miles

@gumshoe-tech

Жыл бұрын

it would add another 3 hours to a 5 hour trip for me......

@leerjet1868

Жыл бұрын

How about eating, and then take a shit. Read a magazine while shitting.

@aw9085

Жыл бұрын

kills me too.... maybe with the tesla chargers it will be better

Obviously we would want to see it for the cyber truck 😜 if it ever comes out

@santanat.7206

Жыл бұрын

That unibody truck ? 😂

@davedavenport8673

Жыл бұрын

@@santanat.7206 We will have to wait and see what the design changes do to the original spec of 14k towing capacity for the tri-motor. Guessing that goes down.

I love that instead of ripping on the lightning for losing range towing max weight(like everyone else), he talks about how its about the same as his Hummer EV towing nothing (what??!). The only real comment i want to make though is that I would have biased that hummer a little closer to the front of the flatbed, but that's because I had my whole rig destroyed due to trailer sway last year, and nobody wants to go through that, trust me.

Awesome as always.Thanks for sharing and taking us along

Thanks for the towing test video. The Lightning is an impressive truck that's for sure. I know it's more interesting to push the limits and it's nice to see but people aren't buying a Lightning to tow 10,000 lbs typically. Of course, it's nice to have the option for around town. Since most people drive 30-40 miles per day they would charge maybe once per week or so. I'm currently driving the F150 Powerboost Hybrid and I'm reallly enjoying the extra power of the electric powertrain. I may pick up the 2nd Gen Lightning when I'm in the market for my next truck. Exciting times!

@hdvictoryford5329

Жыл бұрын

Rivian R1T Owner's $42,000 Repair Bill - The Shocking Cost Of A Minor Fender Bender On A $73,000 Electric Truck

@Yielar1

Жыл бұрын

@@hdvictoryford5329 strange post. Crazy high repair bills happen every second for ice vehicles as well. Guess that's what insurance is for hey

@WSW0424

Жыл бұрын

Have you seen the new 2024 Toyota Tacoma? They moved away from the V6 to the hybridized 2.4-liter turbocharged V4 engine. Should be around 25-29 MPG (depending on if you get the TRD Pro with all terrains and other mods that effect mpg) but, they haven't released those figures yet. The TRD Pro looks badass.

Incredible variety of camera angles and displays really put these videos over the top. Love the content and explanations. One thing was unclear and that is why 2 stalls needed to be taken up. Seemed like one would have fit OK.

@JerryRigEverything

Жыл бұрын

I probably could fit in one stall... If I was more confident in my backing up skilz.

This is a princess truck. Who the hell would want to sit around for 40 minutes for every 100 miles? Diesel are for the people who wants to get the work done so if you're just looking to get around town this truck is for you.

That back up assist system looked pretty cool.

Thanks a ... 5 tons for making the video! Definitely need to retest the R1T in similar conditions. Tires and temperature make an enormous difference.

Zach, you are a national treasure. Your videos are always informative, entertaining, and well-produced. I love the way you use drone shots to capture the beauty of Utah, and I always learn something new from your videos. I'm particularly impressed by your commitment to electric vehicles. You're doing a great job of educating people about the benefits of EVs, and you're helping to make the world a better place. Keep up the great work, Zach! I'm a big fan of your channel, and I can't wait to see what you do next.

@-.-..._...-.-

10 ай бұрын

I also like all the other films you are in where you are a doctor, firefighter, teacher, action hero etc. You're my favorite entertainer

I get 250-550 miles per 34 gal tank in my '17 F350 gas 6.2L depending on towing or highway etc. It costs about $100 to fill with premium. A 1400 mile highway trip without towing could cost as little as $300 or as much as $600. An EV might be as little as $150 for the same trip. With towing, an EV could easily get up to $400+. Not yet worth the extra time to charge, but I sure wish life was slow enough that it was worth it.

thanks for the test. I would love a Ford Maverick Lightning. Just don't need the fullsize truck anymore.

I figured 150 miles before you started. Overall, I am impressed with this electric Ford F 150. I can see me using it to tow my favorite antique RV trailer. Great information, as usual!!! Thanks Zack!

I'd be really interested to see this run in the Chevy Silverado EV when it comes out as well. If Tesla is leaning too hard on aerodynamics for their Cybertruck range, it could be the most negatively affected EV truck when it comes to towing large, heavy loads. Ultimately, it will come down to battery size, and 1 mi/kWh is pretty much my rule of thumb for fullsize EV truck efficiency when towing.

It would be great to have the same test with a diesel truck - as a comparison. especially in terms of efficiency and cost ...

@eagle25311

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diesel truck blows it out of the water if you are traveling any sort of real distance. 500 to 600 miles of range and 5 minutes to refuel it. And it can still go that type of range in cold weather.

Very cool video, thanks for sharing. I a, 3 days into XLT ownership and LOVE it. I’m also a Polestar performance owner, but this trumps it with range…

I wonder if Ford will/does disable the second motor when you're at speed? It seems like it'd help give even better efficiency. From an outside view of never driving any of these, I've been happy with what Ford did with the F150 Lightning and it's great to see their software is doing so well since that's an area I'd expect an older company to do worse in actually.

@naarealy

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IIRC Ford uses PM motors for both front and rear. There is no disconnect or freewheeling clutch, so essentially the motors must be powered 100% of the time. The reduction ratio is different front to rear, so the power output is shifted (slightly) front/rear depending on which motor is most efficient at a given speed/load.

Time to haul the Electric Hummer with an Electric Hummer 🤔

Towing 7200lbs on 2.7L f150 drops the mileage to 9 mpg which at a 23 gallon tank thats around 207 miles a full tank. So at 10000lbs I could imagine it would be similar to the f150 lightning. For those who tow. You usually dont tow 10000lbs very long distances on a f150. You would get a bigger truck or pay someone to haul it for you. For cross country towing it would most likely go on an 18 wheeler. This is the 100kwh battery back so I wonder how much more range they could get with the 131kwh battery.

Not surprised at all. Ford invested into Rivian for some of that IP they had. It makes sense they did a cut and paste on the battery management and motor control systems into an F150 and giving almost identical numbers.

"its not sponsored, but its completely sponsored"

This is wild. I started looking at how to convert an old HMV to electric just 3 days ago, and found your videos. I’ve got the Lightning and identical trailer and was imagining hauling the old beast exactly like you’ve done here. Thanks for all the good content! I’ll let you know how mine works out.

I saw someone towing 5000lbs,but it was a big un-aerodynamic trailer it only went about 100, so I guessed twice as much would be 50,but the airflow makes a huge difference

Love finally seeing a good towing test for the lightning! The parking situation at the chargers highlights the one single issue there is with towing long distance with an EV though... We need better charging infrastructure for towing with trailers!

@fremue9312

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Only getting ~100miles is also not great for long distances. Of course it can be done but it will get pretty difficult and annoying if you have to stop ever 1.5 to 2h to charge for at least 30min. I think it’s mainly worth it for people who mostly tow stuff close to their home.

@jailor1869

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“One single issue?”…there are too many to count

Solid real world test. Like you said, it's not a matter of if electric vehicles can tow, they have plenty of power to do it. The problem is with range. If you have a boat you use on the weekends and you live 30 miles away from the lake, something like a Lightning would be great. But I imagine most people who tow longer distances more often would be better with diesel or gas.

@gcauldwell

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So far …

Those Drone shots are good 👀👍

35-40 minutes of charge to drive 100 miles. So I went camping a couple weeks ago in Gray Summit MO from Cascade WI. 470 miles, 7.3 hour drive time. 32' bumper pull camper, approximately 8200lb. My F250 diesel got 8.44 mpg and I had to stop once for fuel, say 20 minutes. So 7.3 hr travel time. Ford Lightening would have to stop and charge 4 times, at 40 minutes each. So 2.7 hours in charge time. 9.7 hours travel time. Plus probably another 5 minutes per stop to get to the charge station and back on the highway, so more realistically 10 hours of travel time. So the drive with an EV would take approximately 27% longer. Then back to the charging access problem, you would either have to take up multiple charging spots and or block up the parking lot as demonstrated in this video, or you would have to disconnect and reconnect the trailer at each stop, as was demonstrated in the review by motor trend(?). Add another 15-20 minutes to each stop for disconnecting and reconnecting the trailer, and hopefully it doesn't get parked in during the meantime. Also, 100 miles is not very far and limits your options for stops. From my house, 100 miles would put me in the middle of Chicago. No way I would want to stop in Chicago to begin with, much less for 40+ minutes at a time. My diesel truck at 8.44 mpg has a range of 405 miles, so it is easy to plan a single stop before or after a major city.

IF that ever comes out, zing! Nice work, I love my Lightning Pro although I haven't towed with it yet.

Damn that's impressive!

I would love to see if you can engineer a trailer with a regen braking system for the trailer wheels, and a full solar bank on the roof that feed the EVs batteries, and see if you can significantly improve the range while towing. Because the range to charge time is a barrier to switching over from a diesel.

@amphedroxyn4251

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If the wheels are charging they're dragging..

@DinDooIt

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@@amphedroxyn4251 I see a lot of people not getting that point.

@davedavenport8673

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@@amphedroxyn4251 I believe he means regen when using a trailer brake. Trailer brake probably not used enough to justify the weight of the motor, controller and batteries though and then max load is lower with those items added to the weight of the trailer.

@eagle25311

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There's a reason electric vehicles don't have solar panels on the roof from the factory.

@whiteknight1246

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@@eagle25311 i get that but the roof of my trailer is 28 feet long x 10 ish feet wide.the roof of the rivian is 6 feet long, and i understand that regen always isnt a thing, but i assume the e trucks have a brake controller stopping the wheels on the trailer which is energy lost to heat.

Really need to test these trucks on I-8 in So Cal, going from sea level to 4000 feet in a span of 13 miles in 95 + degrees temps!

I happened to be eating lunch with my wife the day this was filmed and happened to see you from about 100 yards away. I didn't even realize you were in a Ford Lightning. Cool video.

It would be cool if you could do it with the cybertruck. Can't wait. How many people looked at you while filming on the top of a hummer?😂

@kpl9439

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If they ever going to make it.

@Levi_Holiday

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@@kpl9439 they will, just wait.

@kpl9439

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​@@Levi_Holiday waiting, that you most definitely will do.

You know, the Nissan Leaf shows the temperature of the batteries.

I think to make it fair you should do this test again with the Rivian. Since the seasons have changed and stuff. In my opinion it would be a fair test. Please Mister Jerry Man.

You should do a towing test on the gmc hummer EV.

I used to tow large loads with my diesel Duramax, over long distances, but an electric parts truck for in-town runs would have been great.

@forrest225

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Yeah I could see an electric Nissan frontier / ford ranger equivalent being fantastic for parts store delivery trucks. They usually don’t haul much weight and typically just make a lot of short trips. Honestly I would love an electric car to daily, I drive 100 miles a day commuting for work. Hopefully when my civic dies electric cars will be a bit cheaper for something with some decent range. It’s an 18 with 100k so hopefully it has quite a bit of life left 🤞

@riparianlife97701

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@@forrest225 I live on a 5 mile long island now, and ride a nice, 850cc motorcycle. I wish I had a zero fxs electric, but big shock, they hold their value too well for a used one to be affordable.

would be worth repeating the rivian to have a fair comparison

You can set it to regen as soon as your foot comes off the gas. Its a setting.

Go get an old 12 valve Cummins and you’ll be home with your boots off having a whiskey while this guy is sitting getting recharged to go another 10 miles

Definitely need to retest the Rivian in the same weather, so it's an apples to apples comparison

@carholic-sz3qv

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Also maybe the Rivian wasnt switching many electric motors off while already driving! With more electric motors only used for launching the vehicle they mostly use one or two while already at speed

For some reason I thought the Lightning might do worse but still pretty neat. Please tell me you'll repeat a test like this once the Cybertruck comes out since that's really hyping up the towing capability!

So drive 100 miles with a load, wait 45 minutes ish for a recharge. Wash rinse repeat. You'll reach your goal sometime next week. Sorry ain't sold on it.

“I’m not sponsored, they just let me borrow the vehicle” that’s being sponsored in my books that’s free content

Come on Jerry, you need to share the screen time with Zack! You’re always making him film!

@JerryRigEverything

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I see what you did there

I love your truck videos. Heck yeah to the cyber truck.

I didn't want it to, but you made the F150 Lightning look pretty sweet. Kachow.

I’m not a car guy, or a truck guy, but you somehow sold me on the lightning bro😂❤️

I am curious what the result would be if you put a cover over the Hummer that made it more aerodynamic. I think in a future where electric trucks are common, there are going to be a lot more solutions for making payloads aerodynamic.

Ford had no problem lending an electric truck to an independent tester. The other manufacturers should as well to prove their worth or not. Right now, I would have to say the Lightning is the leader but if someone gave me a Rivian, I would drive it any day. Some people say the cold is a factor but it is not as big as one would think. These are not the old lead-acid days.

Your voice is the best. You could get paid to do commercials. Thanks for this video. Appreciate it

Cool hitch (although I guess it should be for several hundred $)! That backup feature is super slick too!

That range is nowhere near enough for anyone that regularly uses a truck.. Also I would encourage you to always have the trailer attached to the truck when you load/unload. I would never move a load that heavy on the deck of a trailer without the trailer being hitched. At some point you will have a trailer try to move on you. An additional benefit is you can check your tongue weight while adjusting the position on the deck.

@mmorgz6622

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Agreed.

@dpb22

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125 a day when the truck is fully loaded times 5 days a week times 52 weeks a year is 32,500 miles. I think most people over estimate how many miles they drive each day. The range is 200 miles by default. Also keep in mind, your house is your gas station. I have a 220 jack with a level 2 charger in my garage. Plug it in when you get home each day.

@freighter1097

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I daily a crew cab Ford F150. I put about 15 miles a day on it going to and from work. It has plenty of range for me and a lot of people.

@fastfed

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@@dpb22 your house is your gas station ??? So the contractor never lives in a condo , apartment, duplex, highrise, it always seems you kids living at your parents think everyone has a house with a garage . This is why electics are for the nerds and rich people only and will never go anywhere .

@dpb22

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​@@fastfed - It's all about use case. The three best selling vehicles in the US are all trucks. I would suspect a significant portion, if not a majority of trucks are actually not driven by contractors but by white collar professionals who can afford a $60k truck that guzzles gas. They go 15-25 miles each way and have the truck to go to some random lake that is around 50 miles away. The F-150 lightening starts at $60k now. That's not a truck for a contractor. And yes, for now all of these electric vehicles are for "nerds and rich people." So were ICE cars originally and then a couple decades later the Model-T came out and most people could now afford one. That's what will happen with Electrics in another 20-30 years. You can scoff all you want but I went from paying $200 a month in gas to around $20 in electricity when I bought my USED Nissan Leaf for $11,000 in 2018. I bought it because I literally could not afford gas and a car payment at the same time. It was ruinous. So I took a chance after doing a lot of research/math and made it work. My wallet does not regret it. I dream of getting a car/truck that gets 200 miles of range but I cannot afford those eye watering prices. So I'll stick with my Leaf and our secondary ICE based car for long haul trips.