I heard that Vingegaard replied in his post-race interview that he didn't attack because he didn't want to violate the first rule of the Butterfly Effect.

@CoffeeAddictLee

13 күн бұрын

I guarantee Chris would have fallen off the Chesterfield

@alesksander

13 күн бұрын

I guarantee. CH would give him knucklehead of day for sure if he would trigger butterfly effect..

@deltaisabitch3317

12 күн бұрын

@@CoffeeAddictLeethis comment made my whole day thank you 😂😂

Biig balls are not aero.

@craigg9742

13 күн бұрын

I think we need more wind tunnel testing to really know. 😂😂😂. Dude, your comment cracked me up.

@comicsgator8527

13 күн бұрын

😂😂😂

@ThistleandInkwell

13 күн бұрын

Hahahahahahahahahha

@Aldorains

13 күн бұрын

Or light weight

@ashurany

13 күн бұрын

😂

Mind games. That's all it is. It's a pretty weird thing to say about the guy who won the last two iterations of this race and has come back from a crash that was life changing. Vingegaard could always say back that Evenepoel doesn't know what it takes to win the tour, and he'd be right. But he's too classy. He'll let his riding do the talking.

@jademermaidmusic

13 күн бұрын

JV is playing mind games in every interview he’s given. You fanboys are hilarious

@thecellulontriptometer4166

13 күн бұрын

@@jademermaidmusic That's funny too. I'm a Pogi fan.

@williamensign1408

13 күн бұрын

I think Jonas forgot all about the accident after yesterday's interviews.

@ChrisHornerCycling

13 күн бұрын

Agreed, Jonas is very nice. Because he could just remind Remco of last year’s Vuelta. 😂😜🦋👊😱🇪🇸🔥

@EMC2Scotia

13 күн бұрын

These mind games have more influence on the 'Chesterfieldians' out there than it would on JV. That said, I hope Chesterfield have given you free furniture at some point for all the free publicity!

I completely agree with this analysis. Jonas was the worst injured in Basque Country. He is NOT on his own bike, at that point. I dont see how this can be seen any other way. Cheers Chris.

@patrickwong4824

13 күн бұрын

@@garysladek9110 Bingo! Still, Tadej and Remco have to put their spin on it.

@CtrlAltID

13 күн бұрын

@@patrickwong4824 Just covering their own bad tactics with inflametory words. Remco should never make a comment on tactics, the kid is still clueless.

@TheWorldisaLIE2

13 күн бұрын

@@CtrlAltID 100% he has absolute incredible physical ability on a bicycle but his arrogance is the size of a watermelon and his brain the size of a blueberry

@ricarldonelson

13 күн бұрын

Correct

@yourdeadjack

13 күн бұрын

Jay Vine 🙏🏾

knowing when to attack and hold back is what makes you a TDF winner....calm minds and not rush headlong

@tonyg3091

13 күн бұрын

@@ExpertKZreadCommentator And having Sepp and Wout on whose backs to be carried up, very important.

@wtfocaszafapowa8490

13 күн бұрын

@@tonyg3091 thats like saying pog need to bring all uea leaders to carry him

@TheWorldisaLIE2

13 күн бұрын

Remco can have all the balls he wants, Jonas is still a two time Tour winner so.... Remco can keep his balls.

@mateio632

13 күн бұрын

​@TheWorldisaLIE2 and we might add that each time he literally blasted Pogi. Let's not forget that the had a lung puncture 2 months ago... if it wasn't for that accident I think he would have been the absolute favorite. And Remco will see where big balls get him in the last week. He got also blasted in vuelta last year. I don't think he has any chance even to the podium. He simply is too stupid for that....

@TheWorldisaLIE2

13 күн бұрын

@@mateio632 agree, his brain power definitely does not compliment his gifted physical ability. the top three will likely be 1. Jonas 2. Pog 3. Roglic and mr big balls 4th

Jonas gave a great interview today on the rest day. He was very gracious about Remco’s remarks and reiterated exactly what Chris says - the VLB plan was “Don’t lose time on Tadej” and he stuck to it

@bradford_shaun_murray

13 күн бұрын

Seems Salt & Vingegaard is still riding himself back into post crash form during the first week of the Tour before the big climbs. He's had a tight window to get fit and seems to be racing smart without overextending whilst still building form for week 2 & 3.

@Calabria23

12 күн бұрын

He lost 1.15

@Calabria23

12 күн бұрын

This year Pog not lose tour the France he is in great shape and Pog have a Team for a big stages

When I saw that go down yesterday… first with the bike change then when the 3 caught the leaders so effortlessly with Jonas refusing to pull I started cheering. I knew that Jonas and Visma were executing the number one rule of the butterfly effect, do not leave your race leader! And do not leave your team until it is time to deliver the kill shot. Then when Remco started pulling Pog and Jones I started screaming “What a knucklehead!

Well, it's kinda smart (and vicious) from Remco & Tadej to put pressure on Vingegaard to push him to make a mistake by pulling with them. Jonas just did not take the bait and fall for their trap.

@zerog4261

13 күн бұрын

Definitely. And Remco is hoping the next time he will pull. But he won't and shouldn't

@newttella1043

13 күн бұрын

It takes balls not to get pushed around by Remco. Tadej is getting balled by Remco and doesn't even know it.

@lydiaKE8509

13 күн бұрын

And they got pissed because he didn't fall for it by showing he is more intelligent than they thought.

@ChrisHornerCycling

13 күн бұрын

👊🦋

@tonyg3091

13 күн бұрын

@@farcydebop7982 Yyyep, I admit, that was kinda trap 😂😂

Sitting on my chesterfield, it’s a pleasure to be treated by the best race analyst ever… from the butterfly effect 🦋👊🏽

@douglasbooth6836

13 күн бұрын

He needs to learn to breathe when talking though.

@ChrisHornerCycling

13 күн бұрын

Thanks 🙏 👊🦋

@ChrisHornerCycling

13 күн бұрын

🛋️

Still can’t believe NBC chooses anyone else to break down the tour. No disrespect to others who have shared the studio, but Horner speaks the truth!

@tracyhickey207

13 күн бұрын

I NEVER miss a day of TBE!

@mattmcdowell5225

12 күн бұрын

Agreed!! I love Paul, been hearing his voice for YEARS... And I love Bob Roll cause he's comedy gold and loves the sport... but when it comes down to KNOWING the tactics and strategies, Mr Horner is ALWAYS on point. And if not, he will claim his own "knucklehead-ish-ness"... I watch Butterfly effect cause it's cycling school.

A++ Jonas is the only one that had the balls to resist taking part in a stupid break away like that. It takes a lot to ignore those two. He showed that he has an incredibly strong will and can race smart when it matters. Im tired of seeing all of these fools, Remco included, acting as if Jonas was wheel-sucking during a monument. He wasn’t sitting on their wheel because he wanted to conserve energy and attack them later. He was sitting on their wheel because that attack was a stupid way to lose the TDF before the mountains. I’ve lost a lot of respect for Remco after that interview - saying that stuff because the 2x defending TDF champ (who is still recovering from injury and who was riding his teammates bike) won’t help Remco reach the breakaway is just shameful.

@wesb123

13 күн бұрын

Now Jonas has shown his machismo and it’s not much. Found out he has been.

@drbonzonew

13 күн бұрын

This tactic of "bullying" others to take a pull works sometimes, but you need to know when to apply it, and not cry when you applied it to Jonas and it did not work :) 🚴‍♀

@jacobcreamcrackers787

13 күн бұрын

Remco is a knucklehead.

@l.d.t.6327

13 күн бұрын

Remco said he understands why Jonas didn't pull. Snow flakes crying when somebody says out loud what everyone is thinking i.e. Jonas is boring (won 3 tour stages in his life, while winning 2 Tours, not exactly riding for anything more than GC = waste of talent / desire to win like Pog and Remco show time and time again).

Tadej also said Jonas had been "scared." I said both of them are speaking from projection. I demand of them, "If your legs were so good, why didn't the two of you keep going, work together, and drop Vingegaard? They didn't because they were scared to discover Jonas can keep up with them. They didn't have the balls. They know damn well that Visma's strategy for the last two years was to let Pogacar go up the road the first week and to let UAE control as much as they wanted to until the second half of the 21 days. And they are afraid Jonas is getting better. All three of them know that they're all just trying to put pressure on the other guys and take pressure off themselves. I think you were saying this before the race started. All four of them have been doing media spin for at least two weeks now.

Remco’s trying to get inside Jonas’ head but he’s now living rent free in many others. Very entertaining.

@counselor5286

13 күн бұрын

yes exactly just like President trump lives in media and other politicians heads.

Maybe Netflix will rename Tour de France Unchained (season 3) to Tour de France The Man With the Biggest Balls.

@Foxtrottangoabc

13 күн бұрын

Exactly i think its all about netflix viewing figures . This year theres a lot of showmanship and drama

@janweyant8902

13 күн бұрын

😂

@briananderson5102

13 күн бұрын

😂😂😂

@petesjk

13 күн бұрын

Ha! Especially since Visma has turned blue!

@ephysiotherapy

13 күн бұрын

I’m here for it!

I love knuckleheads, and Remco is my new favorite knucklehead along with Pog. Jonas is smart and wise, but lacks knuckleheadism 😂

@trothaksharkpuncher1059

13 күн бұрын

Knuckleheadism makes for a more exciting race, for sure! Jonas should be more focussed on the television product. 😉

@Dieterdde

13 күн бұрын

Smart and boring. As a cycling fan what do you really prefer to see?

@idk3740

13 күн бұрын

@@Dieterdde ngl i think its just this season. Last 2 seasons jumbo-visma has been very entertaining while winning grand tours (well except for the giro win for roglic imo). Its just that they are smart enough to chance their plans based on the status of the rider, in this case being in a worse state then the past 2 seasons due to the injury so they drive more safely.

@Dieterdde

13 күн бұрын

@@idk3740 Yea, I get why they use these tactics. But keeping this up will eventually dull down interest in cycling. Somehow it feels Visma Lab has gone overboard with their scientific approach and year long planning & strategizing, that it just sucks the soul out of it. Remco was dumb to ride how he did, but we need stars like him to keep the sport interesting. Him attacking at 77km to go was just golden.

@Stavros_Polymeropoulus

13 күн бұрын

@@Dieterdde Smart racing ofcourse, if Jonas pulled with them he would probably lose time and the gc could be over already. that would be boring. YOU HAVE TO SEE THE BIGGER PICTURE

Even though I am not a huge fan of Vingegaard, I thought it was pretty impressive how he - on a borrowed bike - and Team VLAB were able to neutralise all of Pog's attacks and not lose time. They are able to race smartly within their limitations and their tactical foresight and positioning, especially to protect Jonas, is far superior to UAE's. The latter need to up their game and their big hitters - Yates, Ayuso and Almeida - have to contribute more even on these non mountain stages, rather than remaining at the rear of the peloton. At least stay close to Pog, so that they are in a position to immediately help him if he needs any assistance.

Remco suggesting Jonas doesn’t have the balls to race. Tadej saying he thinks Jonas is afraid of him. Both of those guys are tying to play mind games because they know if Jonas rides into form approaching 100%, they’re racing each other for 2nd and 3rd on the podium unless they can tempt him to ride their race instead of his own plan. It’s shaping up to be an incredible Tour just for battle between Tadej and Remco. If Jonas improves as the race goes on, it could be an amazing three way race.

@danglybit1

13 күн бұрын

Cant see Remco suddenly becoming a TDF winner...he got stuffed up in the Veulta..

@gg05irgm

12 күн бұрын

@@danglybit1 remco gon burn out vs those 2 - honestly we still dont know true form of jonas, he showing some weakness and getting taken at several points but might just be tadej trying to break him while he can. But consider this, jonas has tried nothing so far, literally just biding his time at this point, while we seen them others trying to break him.

@danglybit1

12 күн бұрын

@@gg05irgm Yes as he said ...his time will come..TP knows he has 1 more week to take time on JV...and its running out!

@danglybit1

12 күн бұрын

@@gg05irgm now we know

I'm rooting for JONAS, just like I used to root for you CHRIS. High mountains should be interesting. Go JONAS!!!!

Let's see Remco's big balls in the high mountains

@gastonrivera3478

13 күн бұрын

That extra weigh balls will be awesome to watch on stage 14 ! 😂

@LeeLee-fi7mx

13 күн бұрын

We saw his big balls totally crack at the Vuelta last year.

@craigg9742

13 күн бұрын

I hear big balls don't help on the climbs, but all that weight might help with the downhills. 🤣

@o-renishii5268

13 күн бұрын

forca remco

@imalec

13 күн бұрын

they're about to see the back of his balls

Loved the tactics of JV. It's cool to see him win the TDF, because he has to do everything exactly right to have a chance, while other riders just like to throw their "big balls" around and see what sticks

Vingegaard is definetly best in tactics

@RayofSunshine5519

13 күн бұрын

Zzzzzzzz….

@savagepro9060

13 күн бұрын

@@RayofSunshine5519 Zzzzzzz

@tonyg3091

13 күн бұрын

@@NikoSaario Suck,sucksuck a wheel, suck a wheel and hide.This is Jonas’ tactics.

@rogerbakheim1195

13 күн бұрын

After many years with Armstrong and Froome Vingegaard is much more likeable, I do really like him. But Pog is something else, he is the personification of joy.

@marcotromp2610

13 күн бұрын

@@savagepro9060no zzz is what you do while i do your wife😘

not the first time Remco has had a problem with a rider not following HIS plan. Jonas has more TDF wins than Remco has starts.

@wesb123

13 күн бұрын

And Remco has more personality than Jonas does starts

@Elchapomilou

13 күн бұрын

Remco has 22 more wins on his resume and is 3 years younger. That’s cause he has bigger balls.

@howlinhauler

13 күн бұрын

@@Elchapomilou Remco Won the TT, he is a great rider. Poor sport, very Lance like.

@binilgn5941

13 күн бұрын

@@Elchapomilou Nonsense. It’s because he is more versatile and because he was a prodigy while Jonas was more of a late bloomer

@JoseRodrigues016

13 күн бұрын

@@wesb123 I always love this kind of statements. How do you measure who has more personality? meltdowns per race? Remco is definitely ahead on that one

i do 100% agree with your analysis, but i still hope pogacar and remco keep om riding like they do, because it gives us very entertaining stages. And as a fan of cycling, that's all i wanna see :)

@patrickwong4824

13 күн бұрын

@@luffydemonkey3382 As a fan of cycling I just want a close finish unlike this year Giro. I want that final TT in Nice to matter. If that means make this race less exciting, in some people's eyes, so be it.

@ChrisHornerCycling

13 күн бұрын

We all love them and their style. And luckily Jonas is here so that the GC racing is not over with after stage 9. 😂👊🦋❤️

@manfromanotherplace2548

13 күн бұрын

I see your point, but dont forget that we all sit at home with a drink and the legs on the table. It is easy to ask for entertainment. But if you are a possible coming winner of the worlds biggest cycling race you have more important things to consider than entertainment. And that is very fair! Anyway, are we not well entertained? The worlds 2 best GT riders are fighting to win. They are very different and seek the victory in very different ways. Which way is the best? Who is best at using his respective talents and weskness? Who is best at overlooking the entire race from start to end? Who knows best how to trick the other? Etc etc. Now THAT is (for me) much more entertaining that watching 15 minutes of hard race on some dusty road...

@user-ij3by7bq7g

13 күн бұрын

you should be in tdf and ride to entertain yourself

@luffydemonkey3382

13 күн бұрын

@@manfromanotherplace2548 that's why i like to check up on the video's of chris horner. because here you get the tactics you normally don't realize if you're just an amateur fan, who has nothing but respect for what they are capable of doing. But imo for the athletes who compete, is it their life's work to win a grand tour, but for the average fan it's just fun to see entertaining bike riding, that hopefully lasts until the end of the tour.

These words will come back to haunt Remco when he unquestionably will get dropped on some mountain stage. Fluffing his feathers after one week… You notice that he is a rookie at TdF. Pogacar knows that if he gets Vingegaard to go with him, then Jonas has made a mistake that he will take 100% advantage of. He doesn’t even care about Remco

@l.d.t.6327

13 күн бұрын

If Tadej didn't chase Remco in the gravel stage, Remco was gone. Vingegaard had no answer. He also had no answer when Tadej went on the 3rd last sector. He needed Laporte and Jorgenson. Without his team, Vingegaard is often totally clueless. Vingegaard is superior in the mountains, but he lacks the legs in flatter stages. As far as I know, the Tour isn't only about mountains. A guy winning because he has superior climbing but is desperate in all other terrain, is not someone I would applaud as a complete GC rider. But some people just like it boring, calculated and a bit pathetic.

@andreaswiklund7197

13 күн бұрын

But you said it yourself, Vingegaard wasn't as strong as the the other two this time and he knew it. That is why he did what he did, what else could he do? Why on earth would he ride in a way that benefits Remco and Pogi - this is a competition. I bet you he will not play nice and boring in the mountains. (If he comes back to good form.)

@vozzen

13 күн бұрын

@@l.d.t.6327 When Remco was trying to go solo for 77k? Good luck

@l.d.t.6327

13 күн бұрын

@@vozzen Who is going to reel Remco in when Pogacar doesn't respond? Vingegaard isn't going to make it. Until Remco is (maybe) minutes behind in a mountain stage, Vingegaard and Pog will care about Remco. Vingegaard will care because he won't counter Remco (he'll wait for Pog), but if Pog counters and Vingegaard is not in Pog's wheel, Vingegaard can easily lose a lot of time vs. Pog / Remco working together. Stage 11 is perfectly suited for this.

@LarsRyeJeppesen

12 күн бұрын

Already today .....

Haaaaa! The funniest part of it all is that Vingogo won't even hear Remco from the top step in two weeks when it matters.

@TheWorldisaLIE2

13 күн бұрын

@@jamiepaolinetti5087 my prediction for the final GC : 1. Jonas 2. Tadej 3. Roglic and not even on the podium Mr. Big Balls 4. Remco.

@jamiepaolinetti5087

13 күн бұрын

@@TheWorldisaLIE2 i agree, great choice at this point. Although I told all my friends that I think Pogi cracks in the 3rd week. We'll see. I really would like Roglich to win, but I think Jonas and his camp have been telling a little fib to the media about how badly he was actually hurt as a tactic, (not beyond them to do that) in order to get Pogi to do exactly what he just did in the first week... which will haunt him in the last few days. Great Tour either way!

@breencessm3440

13 күн бұрын

@@jamiepaolinetti5087 I really hope they went that far for a third win I really really do. 😅 Let's see how it unfolds

@dfuher968

13 күн бұрын

@@jamiepaolinetti5087 Im not sure, we know yet about Jonas. He has shown clear signs, that he is not 100%. If he was, he would be the huge favorite, but we need to see a big mountain stage to get some answers. As for Remco, I would be very surprised, if he did NOT crack like last years Vuelta. Coz hes still riding without a brain.

@jamiepaolinetti5087

13 күн бұрын

@@dfuher968 Agreed... Remco never wins the Tour is my prediction. Never. Giro or Spain, okay maybe. He has the talent and potential, but not the sensibilities. I've known a number of top world class riders, both on my teams and others, who could not "learn" to win the big races. At that level the difference between the podium and the top step seems tiny, but it's an unbridgeable chasm for some.

Vlasov unfortunately is out with a broken ankle, another problem for Roglic... but until now he raced smart (and didn't crash...) so he may be will get his chances. Pogacar and Evenepoel will both have a bad day if they continue to waste energy like they did until now - both of them had this before and not learned the lesson. And I doubt both teams in that scenario - Evenepoels team is not strong enough and if Pogacar has a weak day Ayuso will not work for him with all he have but will look for his own chances. And out of a sudden we may have the situation that Vingegaard and Roglic are fighting for the win... everything is possible in this years tour

Good take. Pogacar may be the best cyclist in the world, but until further notice, JV is the best TDF rider. He has this event figured out and is attacking it with intelligence.

On the the third week, Remco will learn what big man Test Tickles are!

@thart6103

13 күн бұрын

@@savagepro9060 😂😂😂

@geertdepuydt2683

13 күн бұрын

You probably won't have to wait until week 3. I'm a big Remco fan, and I hope he'll reach Super Saiyan mode... Remco Will need his balls to rely on and trust his big diesel engine and not blow up trying to follow a peak acceleration. But given how his testicles dictate how he rides...

Full respect to Jonas. Never thought he would have survived the first week after the massive crash Chris, do you think there is more in Premos or is he passed his best?

@vseolily

13 күн бұрын

You mean Primož?

To be a true competitor you must know your strengths and your weaknesses. The tour isn't a sprint. It's a game of chess.

@l.d.t.6327

13 күн бұрын

You can win a game of chess in a very boring way. Or you can sacrifice pieces here and there and go for a spectacular check mate. Life isn't only about the results, but the way you achieve them.

@andreaswiklund7197

13 күн бұрын

⁠@@l.d.t.6327Yes but if you are the guy who is good at the more "intelligent" mode of playing, why would you play wild and reckless that the others are good at. That would instantly lose you the game. Also pretty boring in my opinion to give up the Tour the first week and just hand it on a golden plate to Pogi with no fight.

@l.d.t.6327

13 күн бұрын

@@andreaswiklund7197 Let it be clear that this time, Vingegaard made 100% the right choice. But he has has similar choices before where you'd think that riding a bit wouldn't hurt his GC and could give him the stage win (or a team mate's stage win), and he didn't ride in those cases either.

@andreaswiklund7197

13 күн бұрын

@@l.d.t.6327 All right you have a point. But I think we can let the professor ride as he and the team wants, and just enjoy the other knuckleheads instead 😊

@l.d.t.6327

13 күн бұрын

@@andreaswiklund7197 for sure it's enjoyable; who isn't entertained with these different approaches? And it feels like the first week, in terms of parcours, has been a bit underwhelming, but maybe that is good to keep the tension for just a bit longer...

For Remco it makes sense to mix things up and bait others to do something stupid because he hasn't the team to win strategically.

@newttella1043

13 күн бұрын

That's giving Remco a lot of credit. I'm not sure he's that smart. He is a bully though and his team DS likes that attitude.

@danglybit1

13 күн бұрын

mostly clueless..knows he cant get a 1st-2nd...so he only has Primoz who has more grit to be afraid of!

I understand remco and pog but Jonas is not designed for such a race course. He's just trying to survive the stage..So what he did is absolutely good👌👍

Remco was riding quite conservatively when he won the Vuelta. He now uses one-day race tactics in the Tour because the overall victory isn't probable, because Vingegaard is not at his strongest yet, and because meanwhile he has learned that a grand tour can be over before you know it. So why not put on a show? It may not be the absolute smartest move, but from his point of view, it's understandable. At the ITT, when he was in the hotseat, he was shouting "where's the screen" to see if Pogacar could still beat him, just like back in Argentina. He's a talented sportsman, but also still a football player who's in the game and talks big. I kind of appreciate that instead of wanting all riders to follow the same tactics of attrition warfare like in the 1990s and early 2000s. There are also some playful dynamics in the peloton by the way that may or may not lead to alliances or emotional tactics in the weeks to come. Vingegaard is much like Froome a nice guy but perhaps a bit solitary. In a different team than Visma, it may be harder to create a team spirit that way. A counter example was Geraint Thomas in the Giro of 2023, where sheer team spirit almost brought him the victory. Now to be fair, Remco also doesn't hesitate to complain about his team and team mates, so whether they are still motivated, I couldn't tell.

The winner of Knuckleheads King is Remco, dude complaining about another team strategy that happens to be two time Tour Championship. What a clown

@tonyg3091

13 күн бұрын

@@sabugdalantx You mean the two time World Champion or some other clown?

@gulfgal98

13 күн бұрын

@@tonyg3091 World Championships are one day races, nothing like the three weeks of the Tour de France. It is a totally different style of racing because the rider does not have to worry about conserving energy.

@Dagensmandiskysovs-ew7wd

13 күн бұрын

@@tonyg3091 Is this a one.day race, clown?

@sabugdalantx

13 күн бұрын

@@tonyg3091 how is the current world champion doing at this Tour The France?

@annvan-bb

13 күн бұрын

….high T, low EQ.

Thanks Chris - you always give a very good perspective of the races, and analyze the race as a former racer: there is always something to learn from you!

Great commentary as always Chris. Especially liked your insight on the strengths and weaknesses of the top teams going forward into the high mountains. Saw you race at Downers Grove outside Chicago in the nineties.

When Jonas switched bikes with Tratnik & stayed on it for the rest of the stage, he didn’t lose any time plus he took a lot of pressure off his teammates by not forcing them to waste a lot of energy getting him back to the peloton in the middle of a super stressful race - I’ll bet they appreciated that.

@counselor5286

13 күн бұрын

the bike was exact size with the same sized rider he switched with . Much ado about nothing.

@meibing4912

13 күн бұрын

@@counselor5286 Vingegaard said they were close enough - not the same.

@pieter85

13 күн бұрын

@@meibing4912 Would be the same as a spare bike, which is also not 100% the same...

Chris, the reason why remco wants jonas and pogi to work together is to drop roglic. Remco target for the tdf is podium spot this year. Because he know that he won't win against pogi and jonas. So he want to lock in the podium spot if they can gain like a minute or 2 by dropping roglic. It help to consolidate his podium position. So its not a knuckleheads move for him and also why he is not happy that jonas don't want to pull.

@danglybit1

13 күн бұрын

exactly!...but Roga has one objective ..."beat the petulant little upstart".

@derekkirkland7016

11 күн бұрын

Pretty sure Jonas isn't trying to domestique for remco?

As a chesterfieldian I’ve been loving all the shit talking this year. Even Jonas kinda joined in when he said “my time will come”

Absolutely agree Chris. I would want to add something. This may sound cocky! But Jonas knows that Roglic is not his rival. He knows that he can bury Remco during the 3rd week. Jonas knows very well that it’s between him and Tadej, if his form and health holds up well.

I like the way the kids are taunting JV and he's just keeping his powder dry. When his attack comes it'll be game over.

@tonyg3091

13 күн бұрын

I’ll bookmark this comment and come back to see how it aged.

@brojomojo10

13 күн бұрын

LMAO COPE MORE

@cuebj

13 күн бұрын

Hmmm. I'd like to see that and I hope he has benefited from week 1 as far better than he might have feared and as a final stage in recovery from his crash. Finishing on podium would be a huge achievement. Managing his recovery from the crash was the most important thing. Winning the race is bonus

@o-renishii5268

13 күн бұрын

kid has won more then jonas...

@ekm3820

13 күн бұрын

@@o-renishii5268has he won the tour yet? Last I checked Jonas have twice.

“Knuckleheads make exciting racing!” - Chris Horner Six! Six knuckleheads! Hahahahahaha!! 🧛🏻👊👊👊👊👊👊🦋

Vingegaard was thinking we can make gap to Rogljč now at 75 km, but thinking "after 25km those two will go again full gas and screw me, I will be all alone in the middle of the stage" and could be worse that 20km to the end, Pogačar will run again and make 1 or 2 min diff to all to us.

@havspace

13 күн бұрын

Yup. What I want to know is how Jonas got Tadej and Remco to fall for his "this is not the attack you're looking for" Jedi mind trick. They didn't even have to take all the wind for themselves anymore, just follow wheels and cover attacks of the stage leaders. Better chance of dropping Jonas if they work too, but to just give up and fall back when Jonas is the worst on gravel, but has the best gravel teammates. Makes no sense at all.

Just want to say how lucky we are to have your insights dished out for the tour. It’s hard to believe you’re not directing one of the teams! I still pull for Pog to win but really like the respect all those top guys show to each other. What a monumental Tour!

@shaddapforever

13 күн бұрын

Pls dont, I dont want to return to the earlier boring races due to everyone being so "tactical". I like this evolution of cycling.

So basically Jonas wants to race 2 stages of the tour ? Imagine everyone should have that mindset ? We have been complaining of boring tours for years and criticism of those boring teams ... Basically Jonas is that guy in the world tour now ...

@l.d.t.6327

13 күн бұрын

Everybody here seems to like boring riders, boring races, very calculated... They don't like suspense, drama, people being outspoken... They're probably all accountants with their grey lifes, grey jobs and predictable behaviour.

@meibing4912

12 күн бұрын

Try watching today's stage 11 and see if you want to rephrase that ridiculousness claim. Without Vingegaard the TDF would have been as boring and predictable as the Giro. He is making a huge difference because everyone realizes that he is the one - the only one - that may be able to beat Pogi.

Jonas did not pull with Tadej and Remco because he knew he would have been dropped and destroyed period. Nothing to do with mechanicals/punctures etc He kept being dropped and dragged back up by his team mates

@tonyg3091

13 күн бұрын

@@simoncbr900rr True. But there will be no teammates to save his ass in the mountains. Not this time.

@andreaswiklund7197

13 күн бұрын

You are probably correct but you cannot criticize Jonas for doing his best. If Remco wanted to go for it, why didn't he? If Jonas isn't strong enough - drop him then, don't whine because he didn't help you win. He is your opponent - not your dad losing on purpose.

@havspace

13 күн бұрын

The question is why did Tadej and Remco not continue with the stage leaders. Remco already only had 1 struggling teammate in the main group. Tadej had teammates back there, but didn't need them nearly as much as Jonas who probably had stronger teammates. They didn't even need to lead out anymore, they had wheels they could follow. I think they should have kept working (at least a little) and tried to drop Jonas on future gravel stages. It was probably the best chance they'll get to put a minute or more into Jonas.

@tonyg3091

13 күн бұрын

@@havspace For Remco there will not be another chance to put time into Jonas until the last stage. Pog is a different story.

@meibing4912

12 күн бұрын

@@tonyg3091 Today (Stage 11) Vingegaard showed he does not need anyone to lead.

BwaaaaaHAHAhahaha 😂 Had to offer this: I clicked on your video, and as usually happens, it diverts to an ad. Today's ad featured those "exact" plastic barriers we recently saw (red & white plastic "Lego" stands), that created a right-side road carnage event just Friday or Saturday (!!!). The footage I saw before skipping into your Intro, showed a smiling construction worker inserting a rod into two of their units to lace them together. Heh heh heh heh heh heh 😂

Wrong again when you say UAE didn't race tactically correct in stage 4. For the millionth time - there was HEADWIND on the Galibier so it was the right decision to bring Pogi to the last steep section 1km to the top, where he could drop Jonas. If they had "drilled it" according to you and Pogi had to attack 5km before the top on the 5-6% gradient, he just wouldn't be able to drop Jonas, because it's not steep enough and headwind would make it even harder. Jonas would again be wheelsucking Pogi to the finish, while Pogi wastes energy. Regarding stage 2, they didn't need all of the team to be up there on the last 2km San Luca climb. They just needed Yates to do the 20% section, since Pogi attacked right after that on the flatter part. I don't see Jonas getting better in the 3rd week due to his shorter preparation and injury. He also doesn't have the team to put pressure on Pogi this year and the situation is reversed - this year Pogi has a 1 minute lead so he can ride defensively and it's on Jonas to attack and gain time. It's not gonna happen in the mountains (weak team) and he won't gain 2 minutes in Pogi's backyard TT in Nice.

@fangru7294

13 күн бұрын

I agree. Do not bothrt though Jonas fans and old timers just loves that Lance and Sky tactics which made tour unwatchable for years. I love both Tadej and Remco because they show how TdF can be fun and not calculating circus....

Probably Lefever feeding Remco some lines for the camera. All for one, and one for all, hehe.

@tonyg3091

13 күн бұрын

@@jvesik Anahaha birds of a feather indeed.

@l.d.t.6327

13 күн бұрын

Please keep the PR guys forcing riders to give boring anwers away from Remco! We need more like him in cycling: outspoken, some controversy,...

Remco also said that he understands why Jonas didn’t ride.

@Nyelands

12 күн бұрын

Yes he pretend to understand. The kid is clueless.

There was a guy rode into Paris with the yellow jersey seven times with only one ball. If Remco's balls are so big, he and Pogi can go with the breakaway group with or without JV.

Outstanding commentary, Chris! Love your example that “ every cell in the body is telling you to throw down”. Jonas has a clear plan of his best strategy to win the Tour and he is sticking to it! You go Jonas!

Vingo was smart not to go with Remco and the Pog. He isn't a classics rider like the other two and he didn't have his own bike. Plus he knows he can take time back from at least Remco on the big mountain stage days. Just a few reasons why I think he made the right decision.

I suspect that Vingegaard does have good game plan and is sticking to it until it is no longer a viable plan to win. Like last year, he and his team will mount a massive sustained attack on one (or more) of the mountain stages. That is when he will either win or lose the 2024 Tour. Until then, he appears to be OK with being in striking distance on any stage.

@JeffreyHoeper

13 күн бұрын

Not sure he has the team for that this year. UAE should be stronger in the mountains. Tadej (who is in the lead) can just sit on wheels until Jonas has to attack. (But I'm not sure Tadej is capable of just sitting on wheels!)

@havspace

13 күн бұрын

@@JeffreyHoeper I agree, Tadej's temperment may be better served by keeping Almaeda and Ayuso close on time so they can take turns attacking and make Visma try to cover them all.

@LarsRyeJeppesen

12 күн бұрын

After today, you should really re-revisit those bad words

Thanks for another spot on viewpoint, Chris. They really should be watching this;)

Thanks for the extra coverage and spot on analysis

MAVERICK (Tadej and Remco) exceptional talent, ability to pull off moves others can’t follow VS ICEMAN (Jonas) impressive talent, stone-cold discipline and commitment to his strategy

@shaddapforever

13 күн бұрын

Lets hope a Maverick wins.

@tonyg3091

13 күн бұрын

@@joebriggs8422 And Wout,Sepp Kuss and the others to carry him…😂😂

If Jonas pulls Remco up the long climb and the latter fails to follow, it confirms that his BIG balls are so heavy that he has exploded.

better title on your videos I've ever seen, could not agree more Thanks chris and garrett for the fine work

Timing, tactics,and patience are Jonas's strengths. When I look at the three (Pogacar, Evenepoel, and Vingegaard), Jonas is conserving energy far better than the other two. That is smart racing. And right now Jonas is racing the smartest of those three. Rarely is the Tour won in the first week and we only know it in retrospect like Nibali winning over the cobbles in 2014.

@l.d.t.6327

13 күн бұрын

Where specifically has Jonas conserved energy, more than e.g. Evenepoel? What stage? I bet you can't name one.

@havspace

13 күн бұрын

@@l.d.t.6327 Stage 9 when Remco attacked then towed Jonas up to the leaders. Then on the next gravel section Remco slipped a bit (or got stuck behind someone) and had to fight back up to the pack with Enric Mas on his wheel. On stage 2 or 3 when Jonas went over the top just behind or with Tadej and Remco had to work super hard on the descent and final flat to catch back up (and towed Carapaz up to gain Yellow).

@wildly_heather

13 күн бұрын

The tour is rarely won in the first week, but is often lost that week!

@l.d.t.6327

13 күн бұрын

@@havspace so you’re talking about 2x10 minutes. Vingegaard had to work as hard just to stay in pogs wheel on the second stage, descent of the galibier, try and catch pog when he attacked in the part 20K of the gravel stage…each of them have spent some bullets. Pog maybe the most, but the difference with Vingegaard and between Vingegaard and Remco is negligible.

Once In A Tour de France And you may find yourself riding in the Tour de France. And you may find yourself itching to go like Lance. And you may find yourself in a beautiful team with a beautiful bike. And you may ask yourself, well, how did I get here? Watching the miles go by, sucking the wheels when I can. Letting the stages fly, staying within our team plan. Holding my b@lls below, letting them pull me through, Once in a Tour de France, I'll show you they're bigger than yours. And you may ask yourself, how do I ride this? And you may ask yourself, should I attack here? And you may tell yourself, this ain't my beautiful bike! And you may tell yourself, this ain't my winning stage! Watching the miles go by, sucking the wheels when I can. Letting the stages fly, staying within our team plan. Holding my b@lls below, letting them pull me through, Once in a Tour de France, I'll show you they're bigger than yours.

@joebriggs8422

13 күн бұрын

Well done 👍

@marccruz4055

13 күн бұрын

@@joebriggs8422 Same as it ever was! 🤭

ONE OF THE BEST VIDEOS ON INTELLIGENT CYCLE RACING EVER dissected mile by mile mentally its Vingegaard whose tactics will win him a third tour big balls weigh to much if your a climber.

Great summary of where we are right now with the four main contenders! Just what I wanted you to talk about!

It's easy to see that it's Remco's first tour 🤣

2022 stage 11 will not be repeated. That will not happen this season. UAE is gonna be strong in the mountains this year. If anything, this is gonna be their plan to beat both Primoz and Jonas. Remco is gonna become yesterdays news quick.

Agree that JV's strategy was correct. Remco's comment about balls was hardly gracious, but he was understandably frustrated. To be fair, he followed that comment by repeatedly saying that he understood why JV took the strategy that he did. So he understood it and he said so. I knew a man who used to get into fights in bars. When asked why he did that, he said "More balls than brains, I guess." We are seeing the craniotesticular ratio play out in this Tour.

@wildly_heather

13 күн бұрын

Craniotesticular ratio HAHAHAH I’m dead. :)

Once more a great analysis. Thank you!

Yep. Cheers

@thart6103

13 күн бұрын

👊

@ChrisHornerCycling

13 күн бұрын

Bam. 👊🦋🏆🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋

Pogi fan here: I hope Pogača wins but JV is very intelligent rider. Remco is just inexperienced and has a week team

@ChrisHornerCycling

13 күн бұрын

The mountains start soon. Then we see who sits on the most. 😜👊🦋

I saw the original interview in Dutch and as a Dutch speaker I could understand what he said and I must say what he actually said was completely different than what the press made of it. The “big balls “ comment referred to himself and how sometimes you need to make a big move if you want to win. It wasn’t a dig at Vingegaard. He literally said that he understood Visma had a different game plan and understood Vingegaard followed it. It’s always a pity such a great stage is overshadowed by a faux controversy stirred by the press taking words out of context.

@TimCeulemans-dx9ux

13 күн бұрын

Ach, geef het op! Je kunt het 100× proberen uitleggen, ze snappen het gewoon niet of ze willen het niet snappen! Kijk naar de clickbait en dan weet je genoeg!

@Ty-ux6wv

13 күн бұрын

Agree with this so much. The press put words in the mouth of riders and most soak it up like gospel truth.

@stusuchit2034

12 күн бұрын

He made the "balls" comment referencing Jonas: kzread.info/dash/bejne/o5x4mbWfma3eqLA.htmlsi=dYdgOE8nl356Z6IX. We will have to see how Remco's big balls will help him from not get dropped in the mountains.

Spot on again, Chris. Love your show.

It's like playing chess you've got to be five moves ahead of your opponent

@l.d.t.6327

13 күн бұрын

Chess is mostly very boring if you apply those theories on cycling. Gimme a wild open game with many sacrifices and complex positions. Not the calculated stuff leading to draws in every game, like we now see no time gaps in every stage.

Big balls are tough in Lycra on a bike seat….. just saying

@tonyg3091

13 күн бұрын

So you never experienced it I take it? 😂😂

@ChrisHornerCycling

13 күн бұрын

Very. 😂🦋👊

Great analysis Levi!!

Love this analysis - thank you.

Like a lot of young cycling superstars in the pro ranks Remco will mature and become less brash in the years ahead

Racing with your balls and not your head. 👊🦋❤️

@savagepro9060

13 күн бұрын

not if you're riding upside down

@thart6103

13 күн бұрын

@@savagepro9060😂

@ChrisHornerCycling

13 күн бұрын

👊🦋⚽️🧠🤪

Those Belgians. Chris is spot on. This is a three week stage race not a one day classic or the Worlds where I must admit having the stones are an asset.

Thanks for the tactics lesson Chris. I'm an admitted knucklehead but I think I'm starting to see the light thanks to your patient tutelage. Oh and, Jonas Will punish Remco at some point. It's a classic case of FAFO.

Remco's been listening to ACDC 😂👍🏻🚵🏽‍♀️💯🇸🇮🇨🇵

@starkparker16

13 күн бұрын

He's got the biggest balls of them of all.

@OcotilloCanyon

13 күн бұрын

😁I've got big balls Oh, I've got big balls And they're such big balls Dirty big balls And he's got big balls And she's got big balls (But we've got the biggest balls of them all)

@ChrisHornerCycling

13 күн бұрын

🎸🤘🎧👊🦋😂

They had a plan to hurt Jonas. Intelligent riding is what wins the big ones

Great Analysis! Much appreciates...

Excellent analysis Chris!

Remco had no problem leaving his teammates because they weren’t there anyway.

@l.d.t.6327

13 күн бұрын

Moscon, Vervaeke, Landa. Remco was never alone, except when he went solo. SQS is second in team GC. Try again.

@havspace

13 күн бұрын

@@l.d.t.6327 I could only see 1 (who seemed to be struggling) in the main group when Remco made the attack that brought him Tadej, and Jonas to the leaders. A few km later they dropped back to the main pack. On one of the next gravel sectors Remco fell behind and had to fight back on his own, towing Mas along with him. I think the others caught back up when the pace eased after Jorgenson shut down Tadej's final attaqck.

Pog and Rem are now going to tag team Jonas.

@patrickwong4824

13 күн бұрын

@@aaronrumple Their a rumour of a bromance between the two.

@LeeLee-fi7mx

13 күн бұрын

Damn, some cycling pundits in the media said they before the tdf start that they wouldn't be surprised if UAE swept the podium like Jumbo did at last years Vuelta. So UAE assembling what is probably the greatest team of mountain climbing domestiques is not enough for Pog. He needs external help in order to win against Jonas who was seriously injured with a punctured lung and fractured ribs 3 months ago 😂.

@tonyg3091

13 күн бұрын

@@LeeLee-fi7mx Pog never needed any help to win something. Unlike certain Danish…ehhhmmmm….rider.

@LeeLee-fi7mx

13 күн бұрын

​​@@tonyg3091"I'm gone, I'm dead" Sounds like he needed his team to help pull him up the mountain for a loss😂. Just like Remco at the Vuelta.

@tonyg3091

13 күн бұрын

@@LeeLee-fi7mx Meh, read again

You nailed it, Chris, as usual. I expect it to come down to Jonas and Tadej in the end, but neither can do it alone. Using your team wisely and biding your time are often as important as nailing it.

@ChrisHornerCycling

13 күн бұрын

👊🦋

Remco forgot that he's racing in a multi-week stage race and that your job isn't to take risks like it's a one-day classic.

The more I see interviews with Jonas, the more I like him.

@tonyg3091

13 күн бұрын

@@trothaksharkpuncher1059 He is a nice guy in the interviews. Then he hops on his bike and bores everyone out of their minds. 😂

@oleandersen5634

13 күн бұрын

@@tonyg3091 Everyone? Haters almost always walk around with blinders and see everything one-dimensional. It get's a bit old.

@tonyg3091

13 күн бұрын

@@oleandersen5634 Oh c’mon…he IS boring to watch

@Nicklas25_DK

13 күн бұрын

@@tonyg3091 Have you not been entertained this tour? Jonas hasn't been the guy to deliver the fireworks, but the fireworks would be more dull without him.

@LarsRyeJeppesen

12 күн бұрын

@@tonyg3091 Today you should eat your words, they are cringy to read after this stage. Remco wheel hugging Primoz on all descents, JV coming back, pacing Pogi , and winning the stage in a sprint. What a stage, I wonder what the haters will say. I bet the say nothing or just continue lying. What will it be?

Hot Body Tadej needs to sit on the wheel of Jonas. The strategy and tactics of Jonas is to let Tadej pull until he gasses out. Tadej needs to turn it around and sit on the wheel of Jonas. If you're gonna do it to me... well I can do it to you. Don't pull champions up hills.. GEEZ!!!

@shawnington

13 күн бұрын

Jonas doesnt provide much of a draft

@lordalfa600

13 күн бұрын

Pogi is a much more entertaining rider. Jonas is boring. Pogi puts up a show all the spectators.

@newttella1043

13 күн бұрын

Nah, Remco will bully Tadej into pulling for him.

@dennistate9951

13 күн бұрын

I have to agree with all of you. I want to see Tadej wait a little bit before he attacks. He always attacks way too early.

@tonyg3091

13 күн бұрын

@@newttella1043 Nobody bullies Pog man, nobody.

Well said! That’s why I like watching you Chris you’re a tactician minded. The Tour de France is a team race you can’t win on your own no matter how strong you are. Simple example a one man break away being chase by the peloton it would be a Miracle if he wins… I like Jonas I wish he doesn’t lose any of his team mates get better up in the mountains to help him win.

Chris, do you agree that letting Pogačar alone or Evenepoel alone leak on Sunday would have beeen an excellent tactic for Vingegaard? Assuming of course that he has had a strong team. The runaway would have destroyed himself and they would have still been able to drive him to his destination. With a very strong team, it might have made sense to let Pogačar and Evenepoel escape together. Again, they would have destroyed themselves in the headwind, and Vinegegaard would have saved his strength with his domestics.

@havspace

13 күн бұрын

I think letting either one go alone might have made sense (and Jonas seemed willing to let Remco go). When Tadej started chasing Remco, though, they were less than a minute behind the leaders. I think that's why Jonas had to respond. If Remco and Tadej and joined the leaders and kept working together, they could have made it very hard for Visma and Bora to close the gap and wouldn't have had to do all the work up front themselves. If the gap had been closer to 3 minutes, I would say let them go for now and use Wout & Laporte to reel them back in. If Jorgenson hadn't already been on Tadej's wheel during the later attack, I think they might have let him go a bit and worked at pulling it back as a team.

This is why Tadej is the best rider right now by far! And so fun to watch. Makes the sport fun to watch. 1 vs 1 , we all know Pogi is the better rider no contest.

@danglybit1

13 күн бұрын

doesnt like the heat...

@derekkirkland7016

11 күн бұрын

Depends how long and steep the hill is.

Remco usually shoots all his bullets early

@jademermaidmusic

13 күн бұрын

Has much more titles than Jonas

@Knofris

13 күн бұрын

Usually? Like when exactly did he do that?

@savagepro9060

13 күн бұрын

@@jademermaidmusic Only the TDF matters . . . Biggest F-ing bike race in the WORLD

@ChrisHornerCycling

13 күн бұрын

Going to be interesting to see how Remco goes in this TdF. His getting older remember. Maybe not wiser but older. 😂🦋👊

Something else to consider: It benefits Jonas that the four topriders are in close proximity of eachother. That way in the high mountains other teams are more likely to work as well. If Evenpoel goes up the road he can always say: I already won twice in a row, Im not the favorite, I dont have the best team, you do the work. It also makes Pogacar more likely to ride offensively and thats when he makes mistakes

Jonas: "You do you.." Remco: "Marcia, Marcia, Marcia!" Pog: "Squirrel!"

Chris Horner: "Tour de France ISN'T Won with "Big Balls" Alone" Texas Lone Ranger: "Well I won with only ONE ball. How's dat for you?"

@patrickwong4824

13 күн бұрын

@@savagepro9060 Actually, he had the biggest balls till they surgically removed it.

@Eirikkinserdal

13 күн бұрын

Don't need balls with exogenous T 😂

Why would Vingegaard, at this stage, help two adversaries drop another adversary who might be his mate at some point in the coming weeks? You cannot foresee everything that could happen in the weeks to come.

Agree 100% Chris! Also, I think it's been reported that Vlasov is out of the tour after that nasty crash on Stage 9 ...

Nice one, Chris!

Agree with the analysis, Chris but wouldn’t it be better for Jonas to pull and distance the other UAE riders in the top 10. That way, UAE may not be able to use their “multi-leader” strategy on the mountain stages. Right now, if Ayuso/Almeida ride away with a situation like at the Galibier, Jonas will be forced to chase and Pogacar could beat down. Similar to what happened to Pogi on Granon. It may work in Jonas’ interest to put a gap into Ayuso/Almeida to ensure UAE can’t use the multi-leader strategy.

@J-cz7yv

13 күн бұрын

Great point that no one is talking about. If Ayuso is attacks Jonas or Remco have to pay attention. Will it happen? Idk and it’s still a dangerous game to leave Pog a man down but a rider up the road can wait up, a rider down the road is not getting back up. Deng these next few weeks are gonna be great! Up to now it’s been a fine tour but the stages haven’t been ripe for UAE to attack like people have claimed. Especially not with the heat mostly neutralizing stage 1 and 2.

@derekkirkland7016

11 күн бұрын

That's funny!! Multiple leader strategy? Jonas only has to race one guy. That's Pog.