Tough Talks: They Mistook a Backlash for a Movement, Part#1

February 13, 2018, 6pm, Faculty Dining Room, Kline Commons, Bard College campus
This talk was presented as a part of The Hannah Arendt Center's Tough Talk Lecture Series, organized by Bard student Mark Williams, Jr.. Introductions by Roger Berkowitz, Director and Founder of the Hannah Arendt Center, and Mark Williams, Jr.. Discussion moderated by Bard alum, Dana Miranda '14.
The emancipation of Black Americans from slavery reorganized the ethnological thinking of the 19th century. Black men became the largest threat to the order of American civilization almost overnight. Whereas many political theorists, philosophers, and educators suggest that the “end” of slavery was one moment in the natural expansion of democracy toward freedom, history tells a different story. The emancipation of the Negro birthed the rapist. When he was allowed access to the ballot, suffragettes condemned this symbolic gesture as evidence of a Black manhood and forewarned that free Black men would not only destroy civilization but womanhood itself. Contrary to our intersectional theories concerning race and gender, this presentation argues that feminism was an evolution of patriarchy-its attempt to racially perfect itself-dedicated to the subjugation of Black men within America’s borders (their permanent exclusion from America’s public and ultimately its social life), and the colonization of darker men the world over. I will argue that these old ideas not only dictate our views and interpretations of Black men and boys but also the xenophobia we have of racialized (Black, Brown, Muslim, etc.) males even today.
For more information: hac.bard.edu/toughtalktommy

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  • @RasheedBarnes
    @RasheedBarnes6 жыл бұрын

    I got the opportunity to sit in on this lecture from one of the best minds of our generation.

  • @TommyJCurry-zs1mb

    @TommyJCurry-zs1mb

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thank you sir.

  • @Metaghost-yl9li
    @Metaghost-yl9li4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Dr Curry for your research. I was watching a BBC documentary a few weeks ago and the presenter could not stop going on about the suffragette contribution to ending slavery etc etc etc. Now, I see it's not such a pretty picture as painted by British academics. I now view many of these "Look how much we helped Black people" stories with a cup of salt. Because if you scratch the surface, you always find RACISM WHITE SUPREMACY! THANK YOU!

  • @trence5

    @trence5

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'm going to make it a point to read "They Were Her Property" one day.

  • @michaelwilliams853

    @michaelwilliams853

    2 жыл бұрын

    In fact, I'm listening to it for the 2nd time...

  • @thisrichbastard.809

    @thisrichbastard.809

    Жыл бұрын

    I view all so called academics who espouse “white” altruism towards melanated dominant peoples as suspect.

  • @SagesseNoir

    @SagesseNoir

    Жыл бұрын

    @@trence5 I've recently bought that book. Very interesting

  • @deniseworsham8559
    @deniseworsham85595 жыл бұрын

    A welcome Black scholarly breath of fresh air. Entertainers can't begin to feed us this perspective of such a command of the English language. This intelligence used to be more common among Black men: Eloquent and confident while masculine; nothing "toxic" about him.

  • @michaelwilliams853

    @michaelwilliams853

    2 жыл бұрын

    I beg to differ; I think white peoples will find him “toxic!” 😂🤣☺️

  • @coolfear360

    @coolfear360

    Жыл бұрын

    @@michaelwilliams853 lol they’ll find him dangerous let alone toxic

  • @cullenami

    @cullenami

    Жыл бұрын

    @@michaelwilliams853 That's because he is toxic.

  • @michaelwilliams853

    @michaelwilliams853

    Жыл бұрын

    @@cullenami how so?

  • @cullenami

    @cullenami

    Жыл бұрын

    @@michaelwilliams853 I find his racist attitude pretty toxic.

  • @angylgyrl
    @angylgyrl5 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant lecture Mr. Tommy Curry. Thank you so much for laying out the role of White women in the formation of racism in America.

  • @kreativeforce532

    @kreativeforce532

    Жыл бұрын

    Dr.

  • @smvgrv1624
    @smvgrv16245 жыл бұрын

    Currently reading "The man not" by , Dr. Curry. 👍🏾

  • @sekkhiaakare7701
    @sekkhiaakare77016 жыл бұрын

    Dr. Curry is giving it up! I'm going to save this and watch again. i've always been interested in the white woman's so-called feminism and their relationship with the evils of patriarchy.

  • @coolocelot
    @coolocelot Жыл бұрын

    I can just feel the feminism leaving my mind as I listen to Tommy Curry. This is what decolonizing feels like

  • @thenoobprincev2529
    @thenoobprincev2529 Жыл бұрын

    Holy crap. This was severly eye opening and interesting. We absloutely need to hear and talk more about this👌

  • @hazardblkspirit4818
    @hazardblkspirit48186 жыл бұрын

    This is great scholarship. Tommy Curry is doing incredible work. I wish I could take a class from him. Keep up the work Dr. Curry!

  • @TommyJCurry-zs1mb

    @TommyJCurry-zs1mb

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much. I will certainly try to...

  • @Rey-Nolds
    @Rey-Nolds4 жыл бұрын

    Standing Ovation...from my seat at seeing this video.

  • @hendersoncnc
    @hendersoncnc3 жыл бұрын

    1:25:00 white boy thought he was gonna trip dr curry up lol

  • @joefromdc
    @joefromdc5 жыл бұрын

    Wish you the best on ur travels Dr. Curry. I’m really sorry that we as a people didn’t take better care of you and ur family. U have what is called Christ consciousness

  • @dingolaystar3873

    @dingolaystar3873

    4 жыл бұрын

    I agree. I wish we had risen to the call. However, I know he and his family will be safe. My God says, "Touch not my anointed." I believe God's word that says, "No weapon formed against you shall prosper." This is my prayer for Dr. Curry and his family. A brilliant brother telling the truth and putting it down for OUR people.

  • @oddfellow7510
    @oddfellow75106 жыл бұрын

    Great watch and great information. I can't express how relevant and needed this work is.

  • @TommyJCurry-zs1mb

    @TommyJCurry-zs1mb

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks so much.

  • @whawkins8636

    @whawkins8636

    6 жыл бұрын

    Odd Fellow so needed

  • @paulsusac4839
    @paulsusac48395 жыл бұрын

    Wow, this guy has a LOT of great ideas. Thanks!

  • @TeykoII

    @TeykoII

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thank you. Just research.

  • @mynextmoveisgonnabemybestm2902
    @mynextmoveisgonnabemybestm29025 жыл бұрын

    Dr. Tommy Curry as young and healthy too.... there is going to be many years of hell that he's going to bring

  • @BlacksParson
    @BlacksParson6 жыл бұрын

    Outstanding

  • @Annihalate718
    @Annihalate7184 жыл бұрын

    WHOA!. Timeout... I NEVER KNEW about the history of the term "Hyper Masculinity" and it's relation to Black men. WOW

  • @taylordupree6065
    @taylordupree60655 жыл бұрын

    Excellent excellent..... I'll be sharing this information... Thanks

  • @samiam394
    @samiam3944 жыл бұрын

    Wow this was an amazing lecture! Thank you Dr. Curry. Found your from Dr. Hasan Johnson.

  • @AudioPervert1
    @AudioPervert12 жыл бұрын

    To say the least, this is deeply compelling and disturbing debate (pov) Kudos ❤️🌄

  • @whawkins8636
    @whawkins86366 жыл бұрын

    I truly enjoy and appreciate this brother

  • @TommyJCurry-zs1mb

    @TommyJCurry-zs1mb

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much.

  • @TommyJCurry-zs1mb

    @TommyJCurry-zs1mb

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thank you. There is much we do not yet know or wish to encounter when dealing with the history of white supremacy.

  • @whawkins8636

    @whawkins8636

    6 жыл бұрын

    Tommy J. Curry beside the man not, please name four other good books on this topic to read.

  • @TommyJCurry-zs1mb

    @TommyJCurry-zs1mb

    6 жыл бұрын

    Sure... 1. Louise Newman, White Women's Rights: The Racial Origins of Feminism in the United States. 2. Elizabeth McRae, Mothers of Massive Resistance: White Women and the Politics of White Supremacy 3. Allison Sneider, Suffragists in an Imperial Age: U.S. Expansion and the Woman Question, 1870-1929 4. Margaret Jacobs, White Mother to a Dark Race: Settler Colonialism, Maternalism, and the Removal of Indigenous Children in the American West and Australia, 1880-1940

  • @Rey-Nolds

    @Rey-Nolds

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@TommyJCurry-zs1mb BGS videos bought me to your videos and greatful he did. Stay Well.

  • @Miruberryhappy
    @Miruberryhappy6 жыл бұрын

    So sad that such an awesome lecture happened after I have graduated.

  • @TommyJCurry-zs1mb

    @TommyJCurry-zs1mb

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thank you.

  • @kreativeforce532
    @kreativeforce532 Жыл бұрын

    28:32 meanwhile in the carribean since the arrival of Africans there the statement amongst us was "that when we die we return to Gini (Guinea)". A euphemism at the time for Africa that whites used in their language and thus was the only common name used for Africa amongst the various African ethnic groups and our inter-ethnic offspring. When said offspring asked where our people came from "Gini across the sea" (or on the other side of the kalunga, the line dividing the world of the living and that of the dead) was the answer. In otherwords Africans most certainly defined the americas as our hell, and Africa as our heaven or at least as the realm of the living (earth in the abrahamic context. An ideology which is not one native to us.)

  • @gabrielmeth4844
    @gabrielmeth48444 ай бұрын

    The study 'Dating Divide' went in to detail about the glorification of white male beards as a sign of power and desire. To think it went back so far 😂😂😂

  • @drsalmanbutt
    @drsalmanbutt4 жыл бұрын

    A very impressive scholar.

  • @ncrewments
    @ncrewments6 жыл бұрын

    DAMN!! Need a cigarette after that!! :-)

  • @TommyJCurry-zs1mb

    @TommyJCurry-zs1mb

    6 жыл бұрын

    I appreciate the compliment.

  • @ajala8639

    @ajala8639

    6 жыл бұрын

    Brother, your analysis caused me to change my whole view on feminism. And "The Man-Not" is a must-read for all Afrikans who are serious about the liberation of our People. #Respect

  • @joefromdc
    @joefromdc5 жыл бұрын

    What’s the name of the article by Dr. Jordan?

  • @ivanmucyongabo9540
    @ivanmucyongabo95407 ай бұрын

    1:22:00 - 1:30:40 Very emotional man, almost lost his cool. The person asking the question needs to do a deep dive into why they had such an emotional reaction to someone giving empirical support for a claim

  • @Cyberphunkisms
    @Cyberphunkisms Жыл бұрын

    19:00 this is how i felt about my mustache before I cut it.

  • @jeffblack5534
    @jeffblack55346 жыл бұрын

    🐐

  • @TeykoII

    @TeykoII

    6 жыл бұрын

    Jeff Black Is that a goat.

  • @jeffblack5534

    @jeffblack5534

    6 жыл бұрын

    TeykoII yep. It means Greatest of all time

  • @TommyJCurry-zs1mb

    @TommyJCurry-zs1mb

    6 жыл бұрын

    I appreciate is sir.

  • @TommyJCurry-zs1mb

    @TommyJCurry-zs1mb

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thank you.

  • @omalone1169

    @omalone1169

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@TommyJCurry-zs1mbplease @ 1:00:20 can I see the source for the Dorothy Heights 1963 report

  • @SilverFrogStudios
    @SilverFrogStudios2 жыл бұрын

    This is an important perspective and corrective to the racially santized image of movement feminism. IMO it's never wrong to pierce what I would call spheres of relative innocence. In several instances it becomes clear that the author is jousting in a motivated way from, and likely in defense of, another sphere of relative innocence. Whenever you catch a historical scholar who is very obviously waaaay too smart and well read acting like he believes in simple oppositional constructions and claims from nearly infinitely complicated social history he knows well, you need to rock back in your chair and squint a bit. The OH YEAH YOU SCHOOLED THEM!! DROPPING FACTBOMBS!!! kind of reactions on here are testament to what is most defective in this presentation, where a kind of pro-black-masculine gish-gallop happens. But overall this was well worth the hour and a half.

  • @nattyp7801
    @nattyp7801 Жыл бұрын

    Know thyself and the slavery mentality will be eradicated!!!!

  • @Cyberphunkisms
    @Cyberphunkisms Жыл бұрын

    i wanna apply to run this shit.

  • @Aalender
    @Aalender5 жыл бұрын

    The Dr Tommy J Curry...

  • @Cyberphunkisms
    @Cyberphunkisms Жыл бұрын

    30:00 holy shit.

  • @theelectricprince8231
    @theelectricprince8231 Жыл бұрын

    1:11:20 💥💥

  • @seanclayter5072
    @seanclayter507210 ай бұрын

    I find it strange that in most of the videos I’ve seen involving this doctor people refer to him as mr or by his first name

  • @glennsheppard1800
    @glennsheppard18003 жыл бұрын

    The dr. Is on too something.

  • @BLK-LA
    @BLK-LA Жыл бұрын

    If slavery was ended then why did 5 modern American states just vote about the continuance of slavery, in 2022? Why did Louisiana vote to keep slavery?

  • @coolbreeze2.0-mortemadfasc13

    @coolbreeze2.0-mortemadfasc13

    Жыл бұрын

    What they have in a state constitution has nothing to do with the actual law of the land. The US Constitution forbids slavery, that trumps state constitutions.

  • @darksaint0124

    @darksaint0124

    4 ай бұрын

    ​@@coolbreeze2.0-mortemadfasc13The 13th amendment has a gigantic exception in it. It does not outlaw slavery. Even if it did, it did not make slavery a crime or put any penalties in place for anyone found to be holding slaves. You are repeating something that you learned in Elementary School and never thought about seriously. Share cropping, convict leasing, and debt peonage were all 20th century versions of slavery in the United States.

  • @fabbeyonddadancer
    @fabbeyonddadancer5 жыл бұрын

    First question was base on misinformation

  • @leonstenutz6003
    @leonstenutz6003 Жыл бұрын

    13:00 Adresses feminism as being anti-male, or at least anti black male.

  • @citycrusher9308
    @citycrusher9308 Жыл бұрын

    49:25 - Calls Trump a mysogynist 101:00 - white patriarchy gave you feminism

  • @coolbreeze2.0-mortemadfasc13

    @coolbreeze2.0-mortemadfasc13

    Жыл бұрын

    And? Both things can be true, so what point are you making?

  • @citycrusher9308

    @citycrusher9308

    Жыл бұрын

    @@coolbreeze2.0-mortemadfasc13 I am leaving timestamps for myself. In case I decide to make a video concerning this topic. (forgot about this tbh)

  • @olandofuller5588
    @olandofuller55884 жыл бұрын

    I'll solve the problem: Slaves where called EBO another word for Hebrew. Outside of the bible there are signs that read "slaves of Israel hill"... If your family was slave doesn't mean you were Hebrew because there were native blacks that were slaves and Moores that were slaves. If you were an ebo you are Hebrew which is why no other culture will stand with you but only God will save you.

  • @marsmith1907

    @marsmith1907

    2 жыл бұрын

    Shut up. Such a conflated weak argument. Ebo aren't Hebrew. Africa isn't the old world.

  • @susanwright6873
    @susanwright68733 жыл бұрын

    And now he is defending Cosby ? "that's Cosby..don't put that on Black men?" but it is OK for him to put Stanton's comments onto all women who believe in Feminism...? Really ?

  • @BEazyDopemuzic

    @BEazyDopemuzic

    2 жыл бұрын

    He never defended Cosby for one . Stanton lead a movement and was propagating ideology. He also referenced many other feminist leaders. Cosby is one man that behaved abusively in his personal life. Bill Cosby is not a political or ideological leader, he's an entertainer. And he never put Stanton's comments onto all women that believe in feminism.

  • @meatymatmart

    @meatymatmart

    2 жыл бұрын

    1:25:45 He literally says all feminism isn't *that*. Please listen more closely.

  • @marsmith1907

    @marsmith1907

    2 жыл бұрын

    Cry harder 😆 🤣 😂

  • @omalone1169

    @omalone1169

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@meatymatmart49:30 our problems in conception

  • @omalone1169

    @omalone1169

    Жыл бұрын

    53:50 small error. He is reference Mary O Ryan's book which references Horace Mann at least twice.

  • @ricardocima
    @ricardocima6 жыл бұрын

    Why not a debate with someone who disagrees with him?

  • @TommyJCurry-zs1mb

    @TommyJCurry-zs1mb

    6 жыл бұрын

    What is there to disagree with? It was merely a contextualization of previous literature and the actual statements of white suffragettes.

  • @nickj5476

    @nickj5476

    6 жыл бұрын

    Tell them Dr. Curry, there is no argument. Only facts!!!!!

  • @dsmoove8353

    @dsmoove8353

    6 жыл бұрын

    Tommy J. Curry Greetings Dr. Curry this is one of the Co host of the Codebreakers hope all is well. We need to get u back on with us so we can deep dive into this subject matter. Fanstastic lecture. Thanks for being one of the few voices in tha wilderness that actually do the hard core research to tell the hidden truth about the Mistreatment of black males.

  • @TommyJCurry-zs1mb

    @TommyJCurry-zs1mb

    6 жыл бұрын

    I would be happy to do so.

  • @jeffblack5534

    @jeffblack5534

    6 жыл бұрын

    Tommy J. Curry slayed 😂

  • @hendersoncnc
    @hendersoncnc3 жыл бұрын

    55:00 toxic masculinity

  • @theelectricprince8231

    @theelectricprince8231

    Жыл бұрын

    Not really

  • @omalone1169

    @omalone1169

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@theelectricprince823145:00 what is Title VII?

  • @susanwright6873
    @susanwright68733 жыл бұрын

    and why does he not talk about the number of black men that voted for Trump....check the stats...black men voted for Trump in record numbers. I dislike his narrow view without full statistics of the Black population. He is clearly out to make a point and picks and chooses his data to prove his point.

  • @BEazyDopemuzic

    @BEazyDopemuzic

    2 жыл бұрын

    Trump got 12% of the Black male vote. He got 53% of the White female vote. Please stop.

  • @meatymatmart

    @meatymatmart

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yet somehow black men were second only to black women in Biden votes, weird how that works. "Record numbers" and you have the nerve to talk about picking and choosing data.

  • @marsmith1907

    @marsmith1907

    2 жыл бұрын

    Pathetically irrelevant!

  • @theelectricprince8231

    @theelectricprince8231

    Жыл бұрын

    2/3 of white women voted for Trump. You need to remove the forest growing out of your hypocritical face before you try and talk about the speck of dust in someone else face

  • @matttate920

    @matttate920

    Жыл бұрын

    Not on topic.

  • @susanwright6873
    @susanwright68733 жыл бұрын

    white patriarchy did NOT give women feminism ....wow so many off the cuff remarks...yikes.

  • @meatymatmart

    @meatymatmart

    2 жыл бұрын

    He's saying feminism came from patriarchy...as in the system of patriarchy is what allowed feminism in the first place.

  • @Blvck_6

    @Blvck_6

    2 жыл бұрын

    if white patriarchy didn't want feminism, feminism wouldn't exist.... they (women) did not have the power to do anything about it

  • @marsmith1907

    @marsmith1907

    2 жыл бұрын

    Shut up already! You're definitely an agent troll!

  • @theelectricprince8231

    @theelectricprince8231

    Жыл бұрын

    Feminism is an extension of Western traditionalism ("patriachy"). Feminism is and will always be a reactionary hate movement that has a home in official western imperial power.

  • @Supreme468

    @Supreme468

    Жыл бұрын

    Feminism was funded by white patriarchs and the ideology and racism within feminism was derived from white patriarchs