Dilemmas of the Black male identity | Tommy Curry
Tommy Curry discusses how black male identity has come to epitomise a process of racial characterisation legitimising violence and reinforcing dehumanisation.
This interview was recorded at the HowTheLighGetsIn Festival Hay 2022. Grab your tickets for the upcoming London edition on the 17th & 18th September 2022!
00:00 What do you mean by: "No one wants to admit that race is real"?
03:40 Why is the intersectional approach to racism problematic?
08:00 How do you think of male gender in relation to race?
12:20 How has Black malae identity been caricatured?
15:35 Is there a place for Critical Race Theory in our society?
23:25 How do we step away from the idea that we can't fully abolish racism?
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In this interview, philosopher Tommy Curry discusses how we distinguish racism as a structural, cultural and historical process from racism merely as an individual bias. Curry explains why the cultural predilection toward colour-blindness is dangerous and explores why the intersectional approach to race is problematic, as it can lead to anachronistic readings of different identities throughout history. He also argues that understanding the ways people are dominated, colonised and exterminated - largely depends on how they eliminate and target their men.
Tommy Curry is a philosophy professor at Edinburgh University where he holds a Personal Chair in Africana Philosophy and Black Male studies. His research focusses on Africana Philosophy, Critical Race Theory, Anti-Colonialism, Black Male Studies and Public Health.
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Tommy Curry is Brilliant
@omalone1169
Жыл бұрын
08:25 who ?
@jcjcviews
Жыл бұрын
You better be prepared if you step into the ring. Curry will knock you out.
@thecaynuck
Жыл бұрын
Not when he advocated for the killing of white people. Not very smart.
@jcjcviews
Жыл бұрын
@@thecaynuck Yeah, that's not right if Doctor Curry advocates genocide. I'd like to see you prove this, however. Show me where it's at? Why haven't you? Because, if true, this would mean: 1. Curry is stupid and should be retired immediately, or 2. Is he a homicidal maniac no? In either case, he needs to go now. Wait, there's more; for A PROFESSOR, especially threatening even one individual, never mind advocating for us to kill ALL WHITE PEOPLE, THIS is a BIG DEAL. So, could you back up what you say here or remove it and apologize profusely? I understand that Dr. Curry felt that his life was in danger which caused him to leave "his" country. So, now that you have a couple words to question your integrity and intelligence, please let us hear from you IMMEDIATELY. Thank you for your comment --- statement of fact, opinion, or belief system. We need to find out how someone could make such a statement believing it would go unnoticed. Touche. Hahaha
@ws3369
Жыл бұрын
He's actually racist trash
Well done, Dr. Curry.
@jcjcviews
Жыл бұрын
Is Dr. Curry being accused of killing white people? And we thought that he was such a nice guy. I'm so disappointed. We never know, I guess. I wrote to the person who broke the news and the family, and we are anxious for a reply.
Wow, this professor has opened my eyes. I was taught in sociology about racial femenism - black women were pictured as being at the bottom of the social heirarchy, and i never questioned that until now. Also a really important contribution to the discussion around color blindness. Learning so much from this man Even more impressive that he told me all of this in one unpunctuated sentence 🤯
@j.gyamayaka5826
7 ай бұрын
Much respect 💪🏾💯
@natek.9875
2 ай бұрын
Dude literally advocates for the murder of non-blacks in the name of blacks. I think you should find some better role models. Just ask Texas A&M, USC in Cali, or James Madison... They all faced huge backlash for posting those hateful speeches online...
Great interview. I appreciate the long form format so we hear the subjects entire position on a given point. Dr Curry is a huge gain for European scholarship, and a loss for the US for certain.
@Seancarter2010
Жыл бұрын
It’s truly our loss. He’s honestly my favorite scholar
@jrshield7793
Жыл бұрын
We (Americans) don't deserve him.
I’m grateful to have come across this interview!
Dr Curry arguments are very well throughout and informative.
@omalone1169
Жыл бұрын
16:40 Jean Stefancic
It would be correct too say, feminist scholars have continually gotten a past even when history doesn't support their claims. That in itself is practicing racism at its highest
@ynotlearn4190
Жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t practicing racism at its highest be genocide?
@northa3617
Жыл бұрын
The definition of feminism is "the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.". Are you opposed to this?
@kapriece
Жыл бұрын
@@northa3617 yes we're opposed to it bc no one is operating under this definition. Feminism has been co-opted by misandry and racism. It's about control and destroying men. There's no equality in that or anything feminist argue for. Y'all want the positives and avoid the negatives of being equal to men. Do your homework before you come for men in the comments. You just proved what he said was right.
@Seancarter2010
Жыл бұрын
@@northa3617 is that the definition? Well tell me do you see any examples of that being the practice. All policies and initiatives isn’t to be on par or equal to men it’s to surpass us ie “The Future is Female”
@jrshield7793
Жыл бұрын
@North In his most recent work, Curry argues that 'by looking at the primary racial target of feminist thought and activism over the centuries, the Black male, scholars can more accurately trace the theories feminists used to derail Black American’s struggle for civil rights'
Great interview with Professor Tommy Curry. He speaks with historical, investigative and logical facts and information. Thanks Dr. T. Curry!
@omalone1169
Жыл бұрын
Who are the names mentioned at 16:30
@syanlopez1
Жыл бұрын
@@omalone1169 Derrick Bell, Linda Greene, Kenneth Nunn, Richard Delgado, Jean Stefancic
Heartfelt appreciation for Dr. Curry!🙏🏾
Happy I came across this interview especially with the recent Twitter comments
Thank you for this, something to come back in and meditate to
Excellent content from Tommy Curry
Brilliant. However, in this day and time i fear that his thought process is too nuanced to be digested by the masses. What to do now?
@gravydale
4 ай бұрын
Hell of a question that I struggle with as well
incredible information.
@ws3369
Жыл бұрын
If you're retarded
My black grandson was baptized in the church, became an acolyte, his mother joined the choir, and church women said we would like him to go to the church school with their children, so we applied for the 6th grade, and he was rejected, saying he was a behavior problem. I don't know how he could be before being in the school, but if true don't you offer some kind of help? The worse part was the silence, no one said they were sorry he was rejected, I believe it was because they knew why. I later asked one of his teachers, a white male. and his answer was we still have racism. I did get a call from the rector, not the headmaster, saying it wasn't because he was black. Again, he didn't say he was sorry he didn't get in, just don't badmouth the parish, I later send an Email with Matt 18: 6, then received a nice letter saying to change my membership. I love the Episcopal Church and want him confirmed, but don't dare risk him again. The good news that in his current school he is getting all kinds of awards. The principal just took him out for lunch the other day. To be estranged from the church and being afraid to take a grandchild to church is not pleasant. Where is the Episcopal Church welcomes you for him? Pax Christi.
This is was a really good watch which put a lot of things context
@omalone1169
Жыл бұрын
Listen to Frank Wilderson
Well said.
@omalone1169
Жыл бұрын
23:00 when he talks about popularity
Superlative, Dr. Curry. Do you have a transcript of this interview available?
Brilliant work Tommy Curry
Seems like there is a definite guilt component in the degree of lashing out and transference from the white power structure/state to individual black men in the U.S. Great video, a lot to think about.
@KtotheG
Жыл бұрын
What is your basis for this statement? Is it just your gut feeling?
@Onserio.
Жыл бұрын
How?
@omalone1169
Жыл бұрын
@@Onserio. why?
Salute
I feel like there’s a context that he’s responding to pointed questions here that the edit may be throwing viewers off with
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Brilliant (yes)! However, tagging Dr. Curry's work as "brilliant" (full stop)... is an effort below curve! The "brilliant" global machine that his work speaks to is reinforced by an unprecedented military apparatus functioning in purpose for the regulation of (said) "brilliance"... into academia! Indeed, Dr Curry's "BRILLIANCE" is (adjectively) lifting, reforming, transforming... expression "AUDACITY!" (Gvn💐Now!)👏🏾
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Axé
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10:41
“Curry” is his last name and he looks south Asian to me. 😂😂 that’s funny
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Virtue signaling is great, but no one does anything.
Damn was it cold? I see mist coming out his mouth.
This was a great talk by Professor Curry. Kudos! My only hope is that he stops using the term Black, at some point. They is a colonial term too. All it does is frames our lives against the concept of White... By doing that , we always end up vulnerable to the dragon's tail...
Can I identify as a black man even though I am white?
I would love to see Dr. Curry talk to Jordan Peterson
@InternetLawman
27 күн бұрын
If you perceive any semblance of similarity between Jordan Peterson and Dr. Curry, I would urge you to delve into their respective writings. It seems you harbor a profound misunderstanding of their distinct philosophies.
Look at my FBA brother working that high IQ ✌🏾✌🏾✌🏾
While I largely agree with curry, I do not agree with the claim that only men have been on the receiving end of racial stereotyping. Several historical examples exist for racialized women as well, particularly in regards to sexual characteristics etc.
@christiandouyon9739
9 ай бұрын
I don't he was speaking in absolute terms. He merely explained that the brunt of racial stereotyping was taken by black men. I don't think anyone could reasonnably argue black women didn't suffer from it as well.
@raymondjennings8707
9 ай бұрын
@@christiandouyon9739 makes sense. I’m a black man so i feel the weight of that everyday. I’m glad he’s honestly speaking on it, there aren’t many scholars who center us in this light
@christiandouyon9739
9 ай бұрын
@@raymondjennings8707 True enough
@InternetLawman
27 күн бұрын
Where did he say only men? Can you time stamp that?
Ugh ok...is it possible that racial disparities are due to a COMBINATION of factors? That perhaps historical/contemporary discrimination is responsible for some portion of the disparities we observe, AND that "pathologies" or maladaptive cultural norms are responsible for another portion? Is it possible that different disparities (of which there are many--wealth, representation, incarceration, etc.) are due to different levels of discrimination vs "pathology" vs historical codified racism and its ripple effects...? If not, how do we know that? What's the empirical evidence demonstrating the extent of, say, present-day prejudice on racial disparity in the US?
@Dr.Speller
Жыл бұрын
Oh, visit academic journals & primary sources and you will find evidence to support claims of present-day prejudice/discrimination as well as arguments for historical implications for present-day circumstances. I really don't understand the need for folks to so quickly retreat back to some sort of cultural deficiency argument. Also curious from where folks think the geneses, or at the very least the inflammations of these "pathologies" or "maladaptive cultural norms", come.
@bens5859
Жыл бұрын
@@Dr.Speller Are you arguing against my comment above? I don't see anything in your comment that contradicts what I've said.
@Dr.Speller
Жыл бұрын
@@bens5859 I was attempting to further the conversation by addressing your final question in the affirmative that there are empirical studies to support that idea. Simultaneously, I find it frustrating that people will quickly highlight “personal responsibility”-related arguments as if bootstrap-ism is a widely viable path for improvement.
@bens5859
Жыл бұрын
@@Dr.Speller to support the idea that _all_ or merely _some_ racial disparities are due to institutional racism? If you mean the latter, we already agree.
@Dr.Speller
Жыл бұрын
@@bens5859 Of course “some”; to posit “all” would at minimum be imprecise. So it does appear that we agree; I think we’d also agree that often the severity and magnitude of these disparities are significant.
I dunno .... thrsss ssomething ..... *off*
Is it helpful to think about this stuff so much? The things that make white ppl successful, healthy and happy also make black ppl successful healthy and happy, because we are all human. So why not focus on that and let go of all this stuff. It's good to think about issues deeply but this doesn't seem helpful to me.
@KingAuthor83
Жыл бұрын
LOL this is the best you can do for a response to all that?
@HowardWimshurst
10 ай бұрын
If you were the victim in the situation, and your family was still living with the fallout of slavery / segregation etc, would you want everyone to just forget about it and carry on?
@Baraborn
8 ай бұрын
Whites are getting uncomfortable LETS KEEP IT UP GUYS!
@Akronkangaroo
6 ай бұрын
Most whites embraced feminism until they started getting effected
Oh god race realism in 2022 Humanity is truely utterly doomed
@KtotheG
Жыл бұрын
White fragility in effect here.
@omalone1169
Жыл бұрын
24:30 please what name is that ?
This guy is lucky that the system (for some fucked up reason) protects people like him.
@redlionesv
Жыл бұрын
The system protects him how? And you mean people like him as in what?
@KtotheG
Жыл бұрын
We could've been lucky if your pops had pulled out.
@coolguyike
Жыл бұрын
The system banned him from teaching in America and he teaches in Europe now so it does the opposite .
@beebee_0136
Жыл бұрын
@@coolguyike yeah, I heard something like this. What could have triggered such ban? (I tried to do some search online but couldn't pinpoint the exact reason)
@renzopeterson153
Жыл бұрын
And the system mostly protects cowards like yourself who are too frightened to even imagine fighting against it.
Skin tone only tells us where our ancestors lived from the equator. Someone who believes skin tone matters more than individuality, perpetuate "racism". We are all human, weak humans find ways to find value from external identity, materialistic value, instead of internal, individuality. Not any different from a bully picking on someone for wearing a hat, or shirt color. "words" used to trick you to feel like a victim.
@marsmith1907
Жыл бұрын
Very convenient perspective in 2022. Thanks for proving the doctors points. 😆
@naledimyabi2686
Жыл бұрын
@@marsmith1907 I know right😂😂
@brandonwilliams3788
Жыл бұрын
Respectfully, I don't think you have a deep enough understanding of what racism is to make such blanket statements. Most people who study race aren't trying to argue for a kind or bioessentialism
@jegnavisionmedia
Жыл бұрын
So nevermind the actual slavery that evolved to blackcodes and then jimcorw. Red lining hangings that still happens today. That's quite a bit of action but you talking about words. STOP IT
@omniamericana2172
Жыл бұрын
1 drop, 3/5ths (yeah I kno the history, still a thing) brain size, body part research, Octoroon, Quadroon. Who could own property, read, write, vote, marry, serve like Johnson Whittaker, stand on a corner in excess of 3, Face Satchel Page in The bronx, buy a GI Bill home,….allllll the way to who could fly missions over Eastern Europe, to Willie Lanier to who could play QB. Why is skin tone so critical indeed. Oh and that part about weak human…
Hmm... there's kind of an antagonistic attitude towards black women in his thinking. Something’s off.
@theelectricprince8231
Жыл бұрын
How? How is talking about black men's suffering and calling out the people who try to white wash that suffering antagonistic to black women?
@wokemanishboi5003
Жыл бұрын
How so? The man is married to a black woman and has two daughters.
@gee_emm
Жыл бұрын
@@theelectricprince8231 See my response above. I didn’t really want to get into it. But then I did. 🤷🏾♀️
@mcjcave18
Жыл бұрын
I don't think he has an antagonistic attitude toward black women however I do believe he is antagonistic to a certain part of the black academy which upholds racist stereotypes from the past.
@vermithrax7796
Жыл бұрын
@Screaming Toad Also known as B.L.M
Saying a lot but not saying much
@acebutterfly2725
Жыл бұрын
Agreed, I think his communication style is influenced by his background in Philosophy.
@ISaidItIDidIt
Жыл бұрын
@@acebutterfly2725 Did know that modern science came from Philosophy? Yes or No?
@BruceHillBeats
6 ай бұрын
You just don't comprehend
@Primatologie
5 ай бұрын
@@BruceHillBeats Right? Because I comprehended all that. Some people just find it easier to dismiss knowledge rather than confront their own ignorance.
Why was my comment addressing @gloriakmm11 deleted?
@KtotheG
Жыл бұрын
Because I didn't approve. Now you play nice next time. Okay? Are we understood?
@beebee_0136
Жыл бұрын
Suggestion: Asides from abiding by their rules for commenting, have you tried breaking your comments into fragments of short sentences?
@omalone1169
Жыл бұрын
@@beebee_0136 thanks I didn't think about that