Just want to add that Zelda lending Rauru power is what tips Ganondorf off on the secret stones. Without Zelda there, Ganondorf doesn’t get obsessed with the stones and pursues the Triforce instead. Zelda being in the timeline is why the Triforce goes unmentioned in TOTK. In the original timeline, GD probably just killed the King and Queen and went after Zelda

"The happier link's childhood is the worse off the world is" I tell myself thats how my life works too.

"Demise was a bad guy, and Hylia was a good guy." the intonation and delivery had me lmao. Awesome video dude, you're a very talented artist too!

@wazoomo

11 ай бұрын

Thanks so much! Glad the delivery got across the gravitas of it all

This is genuinely the cleanest and most comprehensive explanation of totk I’ve seen. Idk how this doesn’t have more views, seriously this is great stuff

@wazoomo

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! It's the first real video like this I've made so it's not gonna get too much attention, but I hope the algorithm is able to pick it up and pass it around to folks.

@davemurdock55

11 ай бұрын

I think my favorite theory I’ve heard so far is that all of Totk happens in the time between the previous games and BotW. The only assumptions you need to make is that Hyrule was re-founded by Rauru and Sonia and that the name Ganondorf could be reused by the Gerudo :) Not sure if you’ve already heard of this theory, but here you go! It’s my favorite anyways :)

@zane5209

11 ай бұрын

​@@wazoomoIt got passed around to me, and I just liked and subscribed after falling down this elaborate rabbit hole. Great video, man

@sboinkthelegday3892

11 ай бұрын

My working theory is that Terrako is actually Ocarina of Time in it's first appearence, and involved in creating the ONE, true timeline split: the 100 years gap between Calamity lost and Calamity prevented in Age of Calamity, which is then the true nature of downfall Imprisoning war. Either of these timelines is split into an event where Hylian mother escaped the Hyrule civil war through a magical warp, where Golden Goddesses created a new world and left behind the Triforce. Causing Link to survive in Kokiri Forest and "battle Ganondorf" as opposed to falling by the DEFAULT fact that OoT is never played. This battle, is the event that gets reorganized as BOTH Adult and Child timeline in a world separately created FOR those timelines, and ultimately to sink child timeline into Twilight and fade away. Adult timeline, will be refashioned into lifting old Hyrule from under the sea and turning into the Dark world in ALttP. I haven't straightened out the deatils, but if there's a dragon break happening, THIS would be the cleanest place to put it, where Spirit Tracks follows into ALttP exactly BY moving out and INTO that timeline. Sage Rauru I think is the design basis of all Kings of hyrule and Gaepora, so I believe he WAS a person who died by eating a Secret Stone. There IS no Zonai race. KING Rauru is a dragon who was restored by Sonia, and Mineru as well, but his SPIRIT remained a ghost to guard the Sacred Realm. Mineru is different for having the Spirit transfer ability, and THAT IS WHY she has that ability. To be the spiritual originator of Hyrulean citizens whose wisdom is passed on, and picked up by the Sheikah.

@javiervasquez625

11 ай бұрын

​@@sboinkthelegday3892 Age of Calamity is *non canon* as _confirmed_ by Tears of the Kingdom making no _references_ anywhere in the game and the time loop which triggers the events of Breath of the Wild making it impossible for Terrako to change the timeline without _breaking_ said time loop. It's non canon.

I fuckin loved this When i heard totk utter the words "imprisoning war" i also came to the conclusion that all the ganons in the downfall timeline were all just the calamity Like they had more solid forms cuz it was much closer to when he was sealed This for me was much easier to follow than theories that rework the timeline entirelt Great work man!

@theoneslayer8560

25 күн бұрын

I got an even EASIER theory for you: It all takes place after every timeline. There you go. Just say Hyrule was re-founded and that's the easiest to follow one.

For some reason i find it very funny that the triforce would have been sitting in the sacred realm for 40k years because noone bothered to take it

TotK is a closed time loop, it can't change the past. We know this because the Zelda that goes back is from the same timeline that we play in, Ganondorf recognized her before she went back. Zelda coming from an altered future to change the past to become that future would be a paradox.

The fact that the entire time he sounds like that one image of Charlie Day looking absolutely psychotic and connecting the dots really sells this video for me

This might be my favorite zelda video on youtube

great video man, this is gonna blow up

@wazoomo

11 ай бұрын

Thanks! I hope so

This is both hilarious and informative. I can't get over, "And then the sages build a rainbow bridge!"

this is awesome!! i love your interpretation of the timeline, i agree that finding exactly correct details is way less important than how cool and impactful the story is. i like the story you tell!! i like your sense of humor and the way you deliver your lines, and the way you describe each game is highly engaging, i love it. and of course i love your art! i forgot how much i enjoy watching speedpaints :) i have no idea how you ended up in my recommended feed but im so glad you did!! i look forward to your next upload, thank you for making an hour at the office a little more interesting :)

@wazoomo

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it

If this video taught me anything, it’s that Ocarina’s Zelda absolutely does not deserve the Triforce of Wisdom. Literally every idea she ever had made the world worse: “Let’s get the master sword before Ganondorf gets the Triforce!” Literally is how Ganondorf gets the Triforce as we let him in the Sacred Realm when we claim the sword. “Let me send you back to your childhood!” Shatters the Triforce of courage and leaves the world without a Hero.

@wazoomo

Жыл бұрын

Her heart's in the right spot. It's just terribly misguided.

@lukejones7164

11 ай бұрын

This common criticism never made any sense. 1. The Master Sword is the only possible weapon that can kill Ganondorf, and Ganondorf was already on his way to collect the Spiritual Stones prior to Link and Zelda even meeting. If Zelda didn't choose to act first then Ganondorf would have gotten access to the Triforce without Link getting the Master Sword at all, pretty much spelling doom for all of Hyrule. By making sure that Link at least gets the Master Sword before Ganondorf enters the Sacred Realm, Zelda makes possible the only chance any of the Heroes have of ever stopping Ganondorf at all. 2. Nobody, not even Ganondorf himself, ever expected that Link would go missing for 7 years after pulling the Master Sword. Rauru did this to protect Link from getting killed by Ganondorf and because he wasn't mentally mature enough to use the sword yet. So none of that was Zelda's fault at all. 3. Nothing would have changed in the Adult Timeline if Link stayed there at the end of Ocarina, because Link would have already died of old age long ago by the time Ganondorf breaks his seal, same with Zelda. By the time Ganondorf broke free, a new King of Hyrule was in charge of the Country with no indication that OoT Zelda was still alive by then. So the Adult Timeline was doomed no matter what. By choosing to send Link back into his childhood at the end of Ocarina, Zelda created a Timeline/Reality where Ganondorf never enters the Sacred Realm and takes over Hyrule, which is a net positive in the long run since in the Child Timeline Hyrule isn't flooded and destroyed (Adult era), nor is the Sacred Realm turned into the Dark World (Downfall era). So in the end, OoT Zelda made the right decisions for basically everything, and that takes true wisdom.

@cytofusion6072

11 ай бұрын

@@lukejones7164 1: The Master Sword is the only weapon that can kill Ganon, the incarnation of the Demon King that Ganondorf becomes after claiming the Triforce of Power. Before this, he is still simply a Gerudo sorcerer who could have simply been imprisoned until the day that he could be safely executed, with or without the Master Sword. We know this is possible because this is exactly what happens in the Child Timeline Ending. Every single time we’ve seen Ganondorf utilize his demon king powers to survive, it’s been with the Triforce of Power, which he did not have at this time. And don’t say the King wouldn’t just take her word for it, because that’s the exact plot of the Child timeline ending: Zelda tells her father of what Ganondorf will do, and he’s imprisoned, because the women of the royal family are known to have visions of the future. 2: it doesn’t matter if anyone knew he would be sealed. The plan from the beginning was awful: send a 10 year old child whom you just met, with next to no sword combat experience, to attempt to claim a legendary sword, hoping he is able to even draw it, and then face off against a powerful Gerudo sorcerer 1 on 1? It’s “the Sword that Seals the Darkness”, not “The Sword that makes you an immortal expert swordsman instantly”. We know this is a terrible idea because OOT is literally the only game in the timeline in which the Hero has a chance of dying. It’s such a bad plan that Ganondorf actually wins in 1 out of 3 outcomes. 3: It doesn’t matter that Link himself is missing in the Adult timeline. It matters that the Triforce of Courage is shattered and the Spirit of the Hero is gone. New Heros can arise from the spirit, but with it gone, there is no one who rises to oppose Ganondorf. In the direct canonical sequel to the adult timeline, Windwaker, Link is not the hero, he does not possess the Spirit and does not hold the Triforce of Courage; he is just some kid for got caught up in something way bigger than himself. The Wind Waker Link has to force the hands of the goddesses to make him the hero. Wisdom is not about knowing exactly what is going to happen. It’s about weighing the possibilities against their outcomes; you do not need to know that it’s going to rain in order to understand that dark clouds portent a storm. what risks are you willing to take? Which ones will be worth it in the end? It’s clear she gave no consideration for a world without the Triforce of Courage, and no consideration for whether the Master Sword was actually necessary to oppose the pre-Triforce Ganondorf or whether or not sending a 10 year old to claim this legendary weapon was the best plan.

@thatjrpganimefanplayerjusi8003

6 ай бұрын

Hey if this tells me anything OOT Zelda is the most consistent with goddess hyila herself F up just as OOT Zelda F up and is responsible for our timeline being a mess Hyila is responsible for Evils hate and putting a big forever burden on her chosen hero in a never ending cycle along with putting everyone in paral

24:01 except the Water Sage from TP is alive enough to be killed a second time by Ganondorf (who is explicitly not dead; that’s the entire problem) grabbing their face with his hand.

@wazoomo

11 ай бұрын

That’s true. I guess dead would be the wrong word. But they are depicted as some sort of spirit. We could imagine that by attacking the water sage Ganondorf dismantled the life essence that kept the sage present in this world making it, in scientific terms, double dead.

This theory does somewhat hold itself up by its own bootstraps - the child timeline is caused by time travel in the adult line, so that's fine, but this timeline is caused by time travel from itself...

@wazoomo

11 ай бұрын

It would be a closed loop which is a little funky. I mean the series isn’t new to time travel contradicting itself. Also there’s a line from Rauru where he’s like “you come from a time where you didn’t com back and help us” and we have no reason to believe he’s right about that, but the fact that he said it raises my eyebrows a little. Like why does he say something so obviously wrong? Is totk not actually a direct sequel to BOtW? That can’t be but what if? This time travel stuff is getting too funky

As a note. The necklace that TotK Rauru wears is an owl specifically. In the Zonai armor and in the Ancient Hero Aspect armor you can see this owl as well as a dragon and a boar. The Creating a Champion book explains that the Zonai use boars, owls, and dragons to represent the Triforce rather than the classic three-triangle design. The owl serves both as areference to Rauru's Ocarina of time lore with showing up as Kaepora Gaebora and it also connects to how the Royal family/the Royal Princess, Zelda tends to be most associated with the triforce of wisdom. A further interesting note on this trail is that each of the labyrinth quests in TotK is given by different mysterious voices that provide their title as "the Ruler of Boars", "the Ruler of Dragons", and the "Ruler of Owls". Each Ruler for a different maze.

@metalj

3 ай бұрын

Yet amazingly Link, the aspect of courage, or Dragons in the case of the Zonai is the only character out of the three not to turn into a dragon in TotK. One suggestion for a sequel I would really like to see is how the Farore dragon got associated with electricity, which coincidentally is also what the Gerudo wield. It even makes sense looking back at OoT how the Gerudo took over from Mineru and switched from ''Electricity'' to ''Spirit''

Edit: Wow, listening to this covers a lot of bases. It is one thing to think about it from in game lore but outside story creation really does match up. The Idea that the Downfall Timeline happens because Zelda went back in time and prevented Link from becoming an orphan is just wild. I do hope that this is what Nintendo was planning for as it cover a lot of bases.

If the past events are just an alternate version of Ocarina of Time, then I have several questions. Firstly, why in the past do Sonia and Rauru never mention that their own daughter is named Zelda? Upon Zelda telling them that's her name, that would be their first reaction, no? Unless they somehow had a daughter during the memories (which we would definitely see if this is what the developers intended) then it's therefore impossible. Either they would note that the stranger's name and their daughter's name is the same, or the Royal bloodline wouldn't have continued. Since their daughter would've had to been born before and named Zelda since it had to have happened before the point of the timeline splitting from Ocarina, then what gives? Additionally, one of the stone tablets written by Sidon by Zora's Domain mentions Princess Ruto. According to him, she fought alongside "The Princess of Hyrule and the Hero of Legend". We could assume the Zora Sage is Ruto and that the Princess of Hyrule is referring to TotK's time-traveling Zelda; but which Hero? During the events of the memories, a hero of legend is not present. Additionally, unless the events of the memories take place over the course of 7 years, Ruto would still be a child, not an adult like we see in the memories. Additionally, if the splitting point is Zelda going back in time, then where are the Secret Stones during Ocarina of Time? Even just one turned Ganondorf into the Demon King; are we believe that in Ocarina he just... didn't care about it? Likewise, it seems a little unusual that no one would mention that the King was not a Hylian; and that Mineru, the King's sister, is completely absent. If your theory is that the Hyrulean Civil War ended earlier, then that would just give Ganondorf even more time to learn about the Secret Stones. If the theory is that he *did* take both Sonia's and Rauru's, then why did Rauru as the Sage of Light not direct Link to the Forgotten Temple so that they could recover the other five Secret Stones? I also think that the difference between Kotake and Konume can't be chalked up solely to design changes. In TotK, they are portrayed as very young; about the same age as any of the other Gerudo, whereas in OoT them being extremely old--four hundred years if their dialogue is to be believed--is something they mention at least once. You can't really look at the ones in TotK and tell me they are several hundred years old. The Hyrule Castle we see in TotK is also very clearly using Zonai architecture. We know ancient Hylian architecture is in the game, most notably in the Lanayru Promenade; so why didn't they use that style for the buildings in the ancient memories? It would match much more closely with the Ocarina style. Not to mention, the Temple of Time seen in the ancient memories and the Temple of Time in Ocarina are completely different structures, but both right next to the Hyrule Castle of their time. I don't think it's impossible that TotK is a bookend to the Downfall Timeline and the memories a parallel to Ocarina; however, the split would have to be waaaay earlier than Ocarina of Time, back around Skyward Sword or Minish Cap. There are simply too many inconsistencies between Ocarina and the TotK memories's for them to be depicting essentially the same events.

@ShinyNumber1

11 ай бұрын

Agree with all your points, it’s much more likely that the BotW era is SO FAR in the future that even their ancient past is way further down the timeline than the last entry pre-BotW. Especially since in that game we learn that the first calamity appeared 10000 years ago and the calamity specifically only appeared because Ganondorf was sealed for such a long time in TotK. Not being able to reincarnate every 100 years made Demise’s curse/malice build up like a sediment, eventually forming the calamity. This lines up because TotK Ganondorf is not aware of the Calamity Ganon events. You can conclude that if Ganon was sealed for that long for the Calamity to form and from the first time the Calamity was taken down to the second time it appeared was ~9900 years, it would mean that at a bare minimum TotK Ganondorf was sealed ~19800 years ago and even THAT was long after the last entry in the timeline pre-BotW.

@wazoomo

11 ай бұрын

All fair questions. So point by point, here's what I think: We don't know the time between zelda first appearing in the past, and the rest of the cutscenes. It's possible though we have no reason to assume either way, that Sonia and Rauru have a child after meeting zelda and name it after her. As far as the age difference, again if Zelda's involvement brought an early end to the hyrulean civil war as I propose, that child might only be a few years old by the time Ganondorf concedes to the Hylians, as opposed to like 10 years old in Ocarina. Totally possible. The Ruto thing? Yeah that doesn't work. I don't really have a meaningful explanation for it, it clearly indicates that the events of Ocarina do happen as we see them in the original. So, my interpretation doesn't align with that detail as far as we know. Good catch. As for references to this stuff in Ocarina, I mean we all know that none of this was planned for Ocarina. Like I mention, this would be them rewriting the story around the existing canon, it's not going to line up perfectly, it never has in any consistent timeline theory. But also, the exclusion of details does not indicate the nonexistence of them. Why doesn't anyone mention the king isn't a hylian, it never comes up. Why doesn't Rauru tell Link to get the secret stones? Well the secret stones can't kill ganondorf, we see that in this game. Maybe in the seven years where Link is in stasis, Rauru runs the calculations and determines only Link with the Master Sword stands a chance, so let's not even bother sending him off the N64 map for another maguffin. For Kotake and Koume, they do have a kind of a reputation for presenting as a much younger woman. That's their whole boss fight. I think this is a moot point. For Hyrule Castle, that castle was made to seal Ganondorf beneath it. The original castle made before that sealing process would have probably been somewhere else, possibly on the Great Plateau right next to the Ocarina style Temple of Time. That could explain a difference in architecture styles or whatever. As for the 2 temples, I don't know. It's weird they have 2 temples of time. I don't have an explanation for it. I'm not under the misconception that this 100 percent ends any speculation on what kind of canon they're trying to present to us, and while there are definitely some counterpoints I can't meaningfully dismiss, I don't think that certain things not lining up perfectly means that the entire thesis is completely unacceptable. Thanks for this comment though, it was a good head scratcher.

@clark5317

11 ай бұрын

@@wazoomo Thanks for the reply! Yes, Ocarina wasn't written with any of the sequels in mind; but if TotK is meant to take place during an only slightly altered version of Ocarina, then the developers of TotK would presumably make sure it lines up more than it currently does. Even something like mentioning that Rauru and Sonia have a daughter called Zelda would be very easy to put in, and would definitely strengthen the theory. I think, had this been the intention, it would be in there, maybe even just mentioned in the ancient texts on the floating islands. And I think it's a similar situation with the greatly different Temple of Time and Hyrule Castle; they really don't look anything like the Temple of Time and Hyrule Castle in Ocarina. Even though ruins greatly resembling the OoT Temple of Time are actually in the game, they're not present in the memories. Also, the memories show that the ancient Hyrule Castle and Temple of Time are on the Great Plateau; it does also mean that the Temple of Time we see in Ocarina hasn't been constructed yet, or at least isn't visible on the surface where it is in the present day. That means the scene where Ganondorf swears fealty happens on the Great Plateau, inside the old Hyrule Castle. I will admit, though, that given your theory it seems possible that maybe the Zonai Hyrule Castle and Temple of Time were destroyed in the Hyrulean Civil War and rebuilt into what we see in Ocarina. I definitely think you are onto something with TotK having such strong parallels to Ocarina. But whether it's actually meant to be an alternate version of the events of Ocarina (either from a timeline split from Zelda like you suggest or from the time travel in Skyward Sword) or simply meant to represent history repeating in the Zelda series, I don't know. It's interesting food for thought, either way.

@clark5317

11 ай бұрын

@@ShinyNumber1 That is definitely possible. I think the main three possibilities are: - Either by time travel in Skyward Sword or in TotK, the Downfall Timeline is created. BotW and TotK take place at the end of it. - BotW and TotK take place so far in the future that the ancient memories are a re-founding of Hyrule that takes place after all the other games. At some point before, there was a timeline convergence. - The ancient memories take place between Skyward Sword and Minish Cap, and the original Ganondorf's body was inactive and reincarnated as OoT Ganondorf. At some point, the timelines converge and we get BotW and TotK.

@RyuuKageDesu

11 ай бұрын

All good reasons why I think the events took place before SS.

Why is there so much tension in their stares at 12:18 💀💀

@wazoomo

11 ай бұрын

You know while I was drawing it I had that same thought. It just kind of came out that way. I have no answers

This is legitimately the clearest, funniest Zelda theory video I've ever seen. Bravo 👏

Im glad im not the only one who thinks Zelda's tear memories is an exact retelling of OoT. Its almost too perfect.

@awkwardsquirtle

11 ай бұрын

Bro I just finished the video. I gotta watch it like 15 more times but I love this!

@wazoomo

11 ай бұрын

@@awkwardsquirtle Thanks so much!

@voltron77

Ай бұрын

Yeah, except worst.

This is the best TotK timeline video I've seen on KZread. Keep up the great work!

This works so well, I just know that whatever Nintendo comes up with later is never going to be as clean as this haha

Dude this was just so much fun to watch and listen to. Your drawings and narrations are brilliant and clever and hilarious. I love the way you continue to chuckle at yourself as you're explaining the absurdity of it all. And the end of the video is the cherry on top. Fun to speculate about but not to overthink because we all love the franchise and shit is just ever expanding. Well done!

@wazoomo

11 ай бұрын

Thanks so much! I don't think I could authentically recap all this wild stuff without laughing.

This makes so much sense and feels just right. I was as excited as you are! Great build up of tension in this video!

Wow. You absolutely nailed this. This is without a doubt the best TotK timeline video I’ve seen. You are a brilliant, beautiful man. Thank you.

Looking forward to another one of you are unhinged explanation videos. This was really enjoyable you weren’t boring for a moment really you weren’t you made total cohesive sense to me… now I’m going to listen to it again because it was that fun

"the happier a childhood Link has, the worse off the world ends up" is such a funny and sad line

The algorithm brought me here and I was skeptical but dang this was pretty convincing! I'll consider this canon until informed otherwise.

@wazoomo

Жыл бұрын

Awesome! Glad the algorithm brought you here

I love anything introducing time travel, and dealing with time. It doesn’t break my brain like it does most people… one of my favorite pastimes is debating people who bring up the time travel and say it doesn’t match the thing that their favorite movie spoke about time travel only because they disregard 50 other movies that talked about time travel. So in the case of time travel debates against other people, I come off as a villain. Lol I love it though 😆

This just makes sense. Nice job trying to put this mess together

the timeline of Legend of Zelda is one big stroke happening at once.

@wazoomo

11 ай бұрын

Amen bababooie

@bababoie6886

11 ай бұрын

@@wazoomo finished the video man and I gotta say that you sound like a madman(in a good way). also wouldn't Breath of the Wild and tears make this a hard reboot of the series it's self?

@wazoomo

11 ай бұрын

@@bababoie6886 thanks that’s the vibe I was going for. As far as a hard reboot is concerned, could be. That’s definitely a more prominent theory than this one. The way I’m seeing it it looks more like a soft reboot, changing some stuff around, acknowledging the past exists, and pushing ahead without looking back as much going forward. Ultimately it’s all speculation on our end

@bababoie6886

11 ай бұрын

@@wazoomo can't wait for the age of gloom (age of calamity sequel) hopefully

51:09 except this Rauru heeds present Zelda’s warning, which wouldn’t be consistent with the king in Ocarina, who is completely oblivious to Ganondorf’s obvious evil.

@lunalight4226

Ай бұрын

Rauru shows the reason he wanted to keep Ganondorf close so he could keep an eye on him. The same could be for the king of oot after al he could not just punish Ganondorf without proof. Until Link came back to the past with set proof

I can’t believe you’ve actually convinced me to care about the timeline lol. Like this actually makes sense more or less

@wazoomo

11 ай бұрын

Hooray! Conversion!

Bro I love your art and your script. Glad to find another binge channel.

@wazoomo

11 ай бұрын

Thank you! When I have enough videos to binge I'll let you know

My personal interpretation is that Rauru and Sonia were alive in a time so far into the future of other games that the previous Hyrule didn't exist anymore. As such, when Rauru said he was founding Hyrule, it was basically a new dynasty, a new Hyrule (not New Hyrule). That would put BotW and TotK even further into the future.

GENIUS!!! BRAVO!!! This was fun... thanks for making this so much "clearer".😂 I played Zelda for the first time on my Nintendo Entertainment System. I was 20 years old and a newlywed. My husband and I played together every night after work. Playing The Legend of Zelda changed game nights. It was a single player game so we had to take turns. Times were simple back then. I was addicted to playing Zelda and Mario. Here I am, 38 years later, and I'm still addicted to Zelda. I played Breath of the wild so much that my family hid my Switch from me. Now, here I am playing Tears of the Kingdom with my 10 year old great-nephew. We play for hours. He on his switch and me on mine we play and talk about the game... life is good. Anyway, I went of for a moment, sorry. Thanks for the timeline and art. This is really a fun video. ❤

Alright after watching this, i do like the theory but it still brings heavy retcons, namely into OOT as far as architecture and cultural norms go. Like the temple of time, hyrule guards, the position of the castle, the mention of "zonai", that being said i am def willing to accept its more an artistic reimagining of OOT in those instances but is still meant to be OOT. Though that being said it wouldve been SICK if they actually used remastered versions of the original hyrule from oot in order to tell the story, it would breathe so much more life into the story but would admittedly be less artistically interesting so i understand the retcons.

@wazoomo

11 ай бұрын

I would have loved them actually committing to the harsh geometric style and aesthetic of the N64 games for the flashbacks. But it makes sense they’d want it to be more internally cohesive

This is the perfect balance of chronological design aspect, canonical lore, and don't ask so many questions kid, to fully explain the timeline in my head. Hilarious and exceptionally well done. Going on my big fat Zelda playlist.

@wazoomo

11 ай бұрын

Thanks so much!

6:21 it’s understandable that Link does all the work because there’s no way Zelda would be let outside the castle, let alone into Dodongo’s Cavern, let alone have the items and athleticism needed to solve puzzles and survive boss fights.

@marcoswors

11 ай бұрын

a 10years old boy would?

@mjc0961

10 ай бұрын

You could have just left it at "there’s no way Zelda would be let outside the castle, let alone into Dodongo’s Cavern" You didn't have to throw that "women aren't as capable as men" BS in at the end.

@Zandofle

13 күн бұрын

@@mjc0961 It’s less that zelda is a girl and more that she’s a pampered princess. Meanwhile link has been living in a forest, so yeah link is probably gonna be more athletic than zelda. But seriously “women aren’t as capable as men” is a stupid way to read the original comment.

I assumed this was a bigger channel, you need way more recognition!!

This is a pretty good theory I like it a lot, but there are a few things I want to bring up. There is a glaring hole in tear of the kingdoms story so important that it has to be filled either in a DLC or a third game in this series. Where are Sonia and Rauru's children? At no point do we see or hear anything about them at all which wouldn't be the weirdest thing on its own but they couldn't have been born after Zelda showed up Sonia and Rauru are for all intents are purposes dead before Zelda turns into a dragon. Either we are going to go back again and see these children/child or we have a massive paradox on our hands. so in what I expect we would see in a DLC is the actual imprisoning war, not quite to the scale of future calamity events but serious enough to require a full on war to stop since the events of the flashbacks hardly constitute a "war". I suspect that the gloom/malice started leaking out of ganondorf shortly after Zelda turns into a dragon which is going to be the prompting for building Hyrule Castle to further imprison his power. It would cause many monsters to spawn around the world and then reason for the monsters we see into the modern era and the blood moon mechanic's origin. However if that DLC doesn't at least mention the wearabouts of Sonia and Rauru's child/children we will end up with another game in this series where we are setting the timeline straight which would likely be the cause of the timeline merger in some capacity.

@wazoomo

11 ай бұрын

My theory is that it’s ocarina Zelda but if the dlc shows their kid and it’s someone else, that would dismantle a lot of this theory. Maybe the girls look more hylian and the boys look more zonai, explaining the weird endgame armor dog man. As for the kid being born before Zelda came back, we don’t really know how long Zelda was there before Sonia got rear ended. It’s possible she landed there, they became fast friends, the couple had a baby and named it after their new future time daughter in a song of storms esque paradox.

@ryanscanlon2151

11 ай бұрын

@@wazoomo Depends on what happens in the DLC I suppose but that's half the fun of theory crafting lol. Sonia adds such a fun wrinkles to the theories. For instance most people I'm guessing assume Sonia is a hylia descendant but I don't think that's true, Hylia to my knowledge doesn't really do time magic. She seems to me to have married into the royal line rather than being born into it. I think that makes Rauru the descendant of hylia or perhaps Zelda hasn't become a part of the royal bloodline yet in the sense a descendant of skyward sword Zelda hasn't married into the royal line yet. If the later is true I think it happens earlier in the timeline that you are suggesting, I'd say shortly after skyward sword but long before Ocarina of Time. That would make the ganondorf of in Ocarina a sort of manifestation of tears Ganondorf's escaping powers but still inheriting the spirit of demise. Weird as it sounds we know it's possible for 2 incarnations of the same spirit can coexist at the same time because we see twilight link and ocarina link in the form of a stalthos oddly similar to mummy ganondorf

there's a small detail you missed when arguing that oot Rauru is plausibly the king of hyrule; and that is that a king of hyrule was already shown in the ending to alttp... and he's a big, white-haired bearded man, just like every future king of hyrule. That means that it's likely that Rauru was always meant to be a king of hyrule, if not the current one. Another thing: the master sword being already made by oot's time period isn't a retcon, it's the result of alttp's manual being mistranslated into english

@wazoomo

11 ай бұрын

Oh that's interesting. I didn't check if it was just the english translation that made that choice.

59:20 it’s the Hero of the Wild. We knew this from finishing 120 Shrines in base BotW.

This amazing video got a sub from me! This is a great idea and I’m taking this as the cannon timeline placement

Also this is BRILLIANT AHH U NEED MORE SUBSCRIBERS NOW

This was a fantastic video! I personally have a different theory, but I think this is super well thought out and was super entertaining!

@wazoomo

11 ай бұрын

Thanks! If you’d like feel free to share your theory, I might make a follow up where I take into consideration some alternative interpretations.

@jotasietesiete4397

11 ай бұрын

Please share your theory. I at least would love to hear it

man this video is one of the funniest i has hear about zelda , in a good way love thje way you carry the story , now we know nintendo think of zelda like " imprisoning time"

Thank you for this video! I really enjoyed it. I had different theory on where totk is in the timeline but you really inspired me to think otherwise! Damn I love Zelda theories.

Regarding the Rito question, we know that texture wasn't intentional through direct comments by the artist working on it. He added it in as a reference to a story he had in his head that he'd like to happen and wasn't asked to change it. You could interpret that as the devs accepting the possibility of the Rito but it seems more like an accident than anything intentional.

@wazoomo

11 ай бұрын

That's fair. The fact that it was kept in tells me that at least the main development were ok with Rito origins being stretched a little, but as evidence it is pretty circumstantial

@simshadows

11 ай бұрын

​@@wazoomoNothing stopped the Ritos from existing outside of Hyrule at the time technically.

10/10 amazing video i loved the art

Love this presentation. It really expresses all of our frustration ms with the timeline. Lol. Also I really think you’re on to something with raru being Zelda’s father in OoT.

THIS MAKES ME FEEL SO MUCH BEFTER I HAVE BEEN SO PUZZLED OVER THIS🥹

this is an amazing video. subscribed

@wazoomo

11 ай бұрын

Thank you!

Well darn this whole video just made me realize that my personal head canon of the ToTK flashbacks could never happen

This was a great video, and I ended up way more convinced of the possibility of this interpretation than I thought I would! The only thing I'm still really hung up on is that, if Rauru and Sonia are really the parents of OoT Zelda, why did they not react at all when hearing BoTW Zelda's name for the first time? If I'm remembering correctly, Rauru even seems a bit surprised when Sonia says she senses a blood connection between them and Zelda. Though, this is a small enough detail that I could see how some people wouldn't have a problem overlooking it, but I just think that if this was really the intention of the devs then they would have done that moment a little differently. So I personally think that the least messy place to put TotK's memories is long after all the timelines, in an era where the old Hyrule has long fallen for some reason and needed to be refounded. Though your video did make me think that it would be cool if the next 2D Zelda (if they ever make one at all lol) was set after Zelda II and featured a fully revived Ganondorf for us to kill!

this is not getting the recognition it deserves! I keep revisiting it to fresh up my memory of this mess of a timeline. Thank you for this awesome video!!

Unhinged is great…. Means there ls passion present in you. I really enjoyed this theory//explanation, and look into your perception of how things might have played out. Thank you friend. Now I’m going to listen to this at least two more times so I can comprehend exactly what you said and I’ve already pass it on to three of my best friends and who are also passionate about the Zelda timeline stuff

well done sir! Great timeline theory!

The way you cover stuff, and the timbre of your voice, reminds me of JaruJaruJ in the most flattering way I can express

This version of the timeline makes a lot of sense. Even if the timelines converge into breath of the wild, it would mean only one ganondorf remains, as the ones from the previous timelines are dead dead. This could explain the appearance of the canonical amiibo items in totk and keep in line with this theory

I always imagined the imprisoning war being Ocarina of Time but every lower video I have seen puts it separate from it. Nice to see someone else express it. By default you're now my favorite KZreadr.

Great video! I’ve always had a problem with the “downfall timeline” because it’s dependent on Link losing (creating more timeline questions). You’ve fixed the silliness of that timeline and clearly placed the TOTK flashbacks.

@wazoomo

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I agree, it always felt a little off. If this idea is right it could make that timeline align more with the others, being a result of Zelda's time travel shenanigans.

My personal headcanon is that every Zelda game everyone looks human because, we, the players, are, but really the Hylian race looks like whatever (in this case, goats).

I kind of had this same idea that it was the same events of OoT (because of how they obviously homaged it) but couldn't really put it into words like you did. Really enjoyed just chilling and listening to the talk while occasionally watching the drawings while I worked on my own. And damn that's a lot of hours of drawing to make this video. Props. I would have loved to see screencaps of some of the things mentioned (like I had to look up the TP mural with the bird people because I have no memory of it) but that's just me being a whiny viewer. Great video.

@wazoomo

11 ай бұрын

Thanks! I settled with this format just because I'd rather not deal with the larger process of editing which is more alien to me, but I'll definitely consider including reference images if it helps to communicate the necessary points.

I had no idea where you were going with this untill like, 42 minutes in I paused and thought "Oh yeah, we never did see what Zelda's parents looked like in Oot", I'm fully on board with this being how the Downfall Timeline happens.

Loved the style of the video. From the explanation, to the drawings, and the music (seriously, how is nobody mentioning the music? It was such a wild ride)

Impa: "The History of Hyrule is also the History of Calamity Ganon" This explanation is the best out of all the ones i've seen. Fantastic 10/10

38 mins in and you NAILED IT. If you want to know what happened to the Zelda timeline, imagine the impact she had. And what would have happened if she wasn't around. I mean puppet Ganon used her image to try to trick Sonia.

@maxbetatron

9 ай бұрын

Well I agree with most of this. But not all. It wasn't around the OOT. I think it's before or right after skyward sword. The ruins on the surface were Zonai. Robot miners is the real giveaway. Here's my take, her not going back in time leads to all the games, including all 3 timelines. But when she goes back in time, it makes The events happened differently, and Ganon is imprisoned versus defeated. This creates yet another timeline. But since the present game is the convergence of all timelines, It immediately gets merged with all the timelines present in that game.

idk about the rest of this theory but GOD DAMNIT you beat me to it i was gunna say oot Rauru was originally planned to be the king of hyrule!! it makes too much sense

@wazoomo

11 ай бұрын

It all just fits in the most satisfying way

Niiice. Havent heard this yet. 100% agree with the Gerudo Male explanation. Everyone seems to take it so literally but I think evidence points in the direction of the previous male’s lifespan. Also it’s my understanding that Age of Calamity is likewise not canon, sadly. But I’d like for it to be a new timeline split.

56:21 keep in mind this means that ganondorf is able to re-incarnate, so no it’s not the end of ganondorf once and for all in the series. A new incarnation could easily fit into the series, it just might not be the OOT version according to this videos take. Also, I COULD see ganondorf return in the adult timeline, maybe somebody salvaged a “weird looking statue” and brings it back to new hyrule, then a competition could be held (ala King Arthur) for somebody to pull the sword out of the statue. Old hyrule was washed away along with its history, so it’s not out of the question that they forgot about ganondorf. Anyways, this new link would pull the master sword out of the statue, unsealing ganondorf on accident, then ganondorf does ganondorf things and link beats this incarnation (hopefully) for good

@wazoomo

11 ай бұрын

Oh yeah they'll definitely incorporate Ganondorf in some way at some point. Whether they just say he's still around or create a new guy who hits all the same beats, the franchise won't abandon that kind of inconography.

I’ve listened to this video four times so far back to back so that I might be able to combat you in a friendly sparring match about this theory lol and every time I concede, and you win. Lol This is a good video… And you are correct no one is speaking the way you are speaking. Hats off to you, sir.

@wazoomo

11 ай бұрын

I appreciate how thoroughly you engaged with the video. Glad you liked it!

This is very similar to the theory I've been considering. I like your theory a lot. The difference is that I think SS created a new timeline, where the humans came down from the sky in a different timeframe, and Hyrule isn't formed by humans exclusively, and not until after the minish cap would have taken place. In TotK, we get both the skyward sword, and the master sword as separate swords, and the skyward sword is treated as unique because you can't purchase duplicates from the bargainer statue. It felt really intentional. Also, Gannondorf recognizes Zelda, and references Rauru's closing line before Zelda time travels. It comes across as more of a destiny loop, like the song of storms paradox. I think it made a difference, but I doubt it's what caused the split.

44:00 “Link had a happy childhood in this timeline. And the happier links childhood is, as we all know, the worse off the world becomes”

As much as I don't quite understand why Zelda's travel to the past, in what is assumed to be a closed loop in which everything only ever happened one way, which means Zelda ALWAYS traveled back in time, would mean that the Downfall timeline is created and the Child and Adult timelines are BOTH averted (as far as this scenario goes), this does at least make the logic of each of the timelines make more sense. Assuming we take the timeline they released as literal, that is. So... From that standpoint, which you made very clear you were going for, this is a fantastic video.

i keep coming back to this video, some of the details might be a little off but i still see it as a very viable theory

I like this take of on the timeline you've thought of. Personally, I think it was always Nintendo's plan to leave certain connecting elements in all the games vague but give enough recurring themes that fans CAN draw their own conclusions like this and most of the time it will work because there's not a whole lot of definitive evidence that makes anything in the series 100% concrete. They probably also do this with the Zelda series so that they CAN focus on gameplay first and leave enough vague hints to past games so that fans can connect the story themselves and Nintendo doesn't have to worry about it too much. But I think that IS what makes The Legend of Zelda so special. Theorizing and trying to connect it all thus allowing everyone to craft their own legends. Or simply just view them all as separate legends. Everyone is allowed to enjoy the series in the way they like. And it's always refreshing to see alternate takes on how it could all connect together like yours. Truly a well made video and I enjoy your take on it could make a lot of other things make more sense with the downfall timeline.

I'm back again to watch this for comfort and laughs lol...I love how clear it is from the drawing you start while youre talking about it that you don't care much for Skyward Sword 😂 it's definitely got its issues. I still like it but not my favorite. Miyamoto and Anouma clashed and butted heads a lot with that one I believe. "There's always a good reason to wear a sock on your head!" 😅😅

This makes the most sense out of everything I’ve seen so far, except for one thing. Many people I have talked to say that they think this is the end of the Zelda timeline. There will be more games, but none chronologically after years of the kingdom. There could be more adventures with ganandorf, but they take place before he dies.

Soooo ... retcon everything to unretcon everything. Incredible. Little note about the sages of TotK, I guess that their names would be related to the Divine Beasts. They could be Darunia, Ruto, Nabooru, and maybe Medley.

Clear script? Voices? Doodles? Oh I'm instantly in love with this video.

Age of Clams, though people want it to be canon, isn't. It was made by koei techmo and uses the same tropes as their other non-canon warriors crossover games. There's also the fact that evidence in-game in totk such as the murals shows that zelda's time travel is a causality loop. botw's events had to happen because otherwise zelda doesn't go back and become the light dragon but the light dragon always existed

Another thing to note that I just learned (maybe someone else has said this already) is that the Gerudo in OoT/MM have rounded ears, as does OoT Ganondorf. In BoTW and TotK, the Gerudo have pointed ears like Hylians, with the notable exception of TotK Ganondorf having his original rounded ear design!

Good Job with the video. I would just like to say the face that both Raurus are involved with Light Power is very compelling evidence. Also the only 2 actual green Gerudos behind Ganondorf in the Show of Fealty memory could very well be the two witch's from OOT. Great Theory

“People are gonna be evil in politics, Zelda. I don’t know if you just got born yesterday.” This is what got me to lol

So... your theory was interesting enough that I had to take pen and paper to make sense of the time travel 😆 and pray that you're right, because your theory really makes sense in the context of how these games are made and what the writers tell us at face value. After all, we can spin it in a million ways, but the game does tell you that Rauru and Sonia lived at the beginning of the kingdom. So, please, hear me out, because I don't think your theory works with the time travel, but there might be something I've overlooked! The problem I see is that Tears of the Kingdom shows a time loop. Let's not think about the implications of time travel too deeply, because otherwise nothing in these games makes sense, so let's approach it the way Nintendo does it. You're saying that Zelda's actions create the 'Classic' timeline, meaning that without her intervention events would've proceeded into an Ocarina of Time-esque scenario that would've created the Child and Adult split, meaning that the Ocarina of Time-esque scenario is the regular one, the one not tampered with, the regular flow of time. Which means Zelda should've come from either the Child or Adult timeline. But she doesn't, she comes from an era in which she finds Ganondorf imprisoned underground by Rauru, so she already comes from the Classic timeline, and goes back in time to cause the events she's already in, meaning a time loop. Ocarina of Time doesn't work like that, instead it sees Link go back in time at the end, to create a parallel universe through time split, which is a radically different interpretation of time travel mechanics. In order for your theory to work, Zelda would have to come from her own time, change the future and create a parallel universe that we would call the 'Mummy Ganondorf' split or whatever other nonsense, while her own time goes on in a different direction. But that's not what the game shows. Zelda comes from her own time, which is a result of her own actions, in an infinite loop. In other words, there was no scenario in which she wasn't there, despite what Rauru says. It would still make sense, but it would be entirely divorced from the other two timelines, not even its own parallel universe, but just its own story. Which is pretty much what the official timeline says. What do you think? Have I overlooked something? I hope you prove me wrong 😆

I don't think totk offered anything other than a look at what the twilli were before generations born in the twilight realm.

My mind was fucking blown with that Rauru thing. It really does all make sense.

this made lots of great points. I agree

Dude this was remarkable! I can't find very many flaws in your reasoning, and I really hope the points you bring up about the 'new' timeline are true! Nicely done.

Great vid

I hope you're right. I like ganondorf but I hope he doesn't return just so this works. Unless of course they do a spinoff timeline from aoc.

Interesting theories, absolutely loved the drawings! Random tangent: the sages in twilight princess always kinda reminded me of the tribal mask dood things from Teddy Ruxpin 😂😂

@wazoomo

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I looked up the Teddy Ruxpin thing and I don't know how to feel about it. It's a creative addition to add to a Teddy Bear line, that's for sure.

@bear1084

Жыл бұрын

@@wazoomo Shit was wild in the 90s, for sure. But at least old folks like me can say we had an interesting childhood 🤣🤣

That's some INSANE stuff right here !! Great works !

@wazoomo

11 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoy it!

MY MIND IS BLOWN

The Oracle games came out in 2001, a year AFTER Majora's Mask, NOT before! Also, OoT Rauru and TotK Rauru are NOT the same Rauru! Just because they have the same name and events in both their time play out similarly to each other, that does NOT mean that they're the same person or that the events are same either. We've literally seen history repeat itself multiple times throughout the entire timeline. I mean one single type of event literally happens twice in the Downfall Timeline! TotK's "Imprisoning War" and ALttP's "Imprisoning War" both have completely different names in Japanese. Canonically, TotK's war is actually the Exile War, while ALttP's war is actually the Sealing War. They are both completely different wars. If they were, then that would put TotK into a completely different timeline because there was no Zelda native to TotK's past era. Otherwise, TotK completely retcons OoT by removing Daphnes from canon, inserting Rauru as the king, making Rauru into a furry, BotW/TotK's Zelda exists instead of OoT Zelda, and OoT Link is completely removed from canon as there was no Link in that time period at all, unless the royal family just didn't ever meet Link in that timeline. But Link in that time period still wouldn't be the same as in OoT. And also, finally, please STOP ignoring the Old Maps treasure quests from TotK! We know that TotK's past is far removed from Old Traditional Hyrule lore because when TotK Rauru seals Ganon, Ganondorf literally states that he's seen that all play out before, implying that since become the Demon King again, he's recalled being sealed and possibly even killed multiple times before. Proving that BotW/TotK's Hyrule is NOT the Same Hyrule we know from OoT, but a brand new Hyrule altogether, existing far after the destruction of the old one. Hence why TotK Rauru and Sonia have no memory or knowledge of any Hyrule existing prior or any of the Links and Zeldas from that Hyrule's age.

@clark5317

11 ай бұрын

Daphnes is not the King of Hyrule in Ocarina. He's not in that game at all; he came into power later, in the Adult timeline. Not sure where you got that from. What line does Ganondorf state he's seen it all before? I don't remember that, but maybe I am wrong. But if he did actually remember everything, then he would know Link's name.

@PJCVita92

11 ай бұрын

@@clark5317 There's literally a painting in Hyrule castle featuring the ancestors of Tetra and her pirates. Tetra's ancestor specifically is OoT Zelda, whom of which is literally confirmed to be Daphnes' daughter! Ganondorf broke free not long after OoT because he had the Triforce of Power in his possession. He literally states this at the end of OoT that he will break free and go after the descendants of Link, Zelda, and the sages, so long as he has the Triforce of Power. The sages sealed Ganon, failing to realize that with the Triforce of Power, he could easily break free. As soon as OoT Link leaves and Hyrule had a moment of peace, Ganon broke free and sought his revenge. The OoT were already dead, so new sages were chosen. That being Fado and Laruto. However, without OoT Link, Hyrule's efforts were not enough, thus the land was flooded. Not sure which official source you're getting this information that Dapnes is not the King of Hyrule in OoT from, but it's not any of the older games like OoT or WW. And if it's from Zelda Encyclopedia, it's automatically false because Zelda Encyclopedia is factually and canonically wrong according to the games! And finally, there's absolutely NO way that OoT's king already lived for thousands of years before getting OoT Zelda's mother pregnant. And all while the War of the Bound Chest, Minish Cap, and Four Swords all took place. Two events of which were time periods when Hyrule was ruled by different kings. Where was Rauru when those happened? OoT Rauru can NOT be the king in OoT's time period because he's way too old and ancient to be the king by that time since OoT Rauru himself specifically stated that he and the ancient sages built the Temple of Time, which was thousands of years before OoT! Unless Hyrule Historia, OoT, MC, and WW are somehow wrong, you're wrong!

@clark5317

11 ай бұрын

@@PJCVita92 How is the ancestor depicted OoT Zelda? Assuming the picture was taken before the Great Flood, that means at least decades had passed since Ocarina. She would be an old lady. If the Ocarina Sages are dead like you said and Ganondorf's returned happened in years, then Zelda as a Sage would be dead too. Which makes no sense. Also, the King of Hyrule is very clearly dead in Ocarina. Like, he never shows up. He's not a prisoner anywhere, he's not a refugee in Kakariko Village, he's not traveling with Zelda. Like, come on. He is obviously dead. Whereas King Daphnes is said to have been the King during the Great Flood. What is your source that he is the King during Ocarina? You're the one making the assertion, therefore the burden of evidence is solely on you. The video proposes the idea that Hyrule was founded about a decade before Ocarina, so no, Rauru would not be thousands of years old. However, Rauru mentioning he built the Temple of Time a long time ago is a good point that I didn't catch when I was watching it.

13:53 and therefore her lifespan.

THIS IS SO GOOD

@wazoomo

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

What helps Minish Cap’s placement. Is a video I saw that fits all the Zelda games maps into BOTW. I feel like Hyrule could exist before Rauru and Sonia’s founding, but as a lesser kingdom, sorta a refounding.