Software Engineer here. With regards to the engine, when developing software, it's possible to have a functionality work a certain way, in this case the map expanding east, and without properly anticipating future requirements, base everything around that functionality's behavior. So if you want to expand the map to the west, you have to change not just the map functionality, but also the functionality of everything depending on the map behaving that way. A good non-software example would be if a country that drives on the right side of the road suddenly decided to switch to driving on the left. Everyone would eventually have to buy a left sided car, every signed would have to be moved, the traffic lights would have to be updated, the roads would have to be repainted and on and on. So what would seem like a simple change, would actually have some pretty complicated knock on effects.

@AndysTake

Ай бұрын

That’s a great explanation, thank you very much!

@sdhubbard

Ай бұрын

@@AndysTake Happy to help. If I had to make educated guess, expanding the map Westward would probably mean whatever hex coordinates a location had would need to get updated, since the new hexes would have the lower numbered coordinates. So if you had a city at column 5, row 3 and expanded the map to the west by 4 columns, that city would now be at column 9, row 3. If you expanded the columns to the East, that city would still be at column 5, row 3. And you'd have to do this for every location on the map. This is all just an educated guess, based on my personal experience though, so take it with a grain of salt.🤪

@loganhartsel5513

Ай бұрын

@@sdhubbardman I could read your explanations all day! That made so much sense to me and gave me completely new insight on the difficulty of game development that most of us that don’t write code or scripts, would never understand! Thank you!

@kirilld6206

29 күн бұрын

@@sdhubbard That's why they expanded map in ME and IE eastwards only 🤣. Tbh looking at the map of Anatolia cut in the north and west, I think it was planned before release. Hatti empire also ended in Aegean sea, plus some regions were even visible (at least borders) especially when you start with Kurunta.

If this game would have launched with this amount of content and had been titled "Total War : Age of Bronze," they could have sold it at full price and still made decent money. Better yet, if they had made Medieval 3, Empire 2, or anything else, they also could have sold copies like hotcakes.

@houndofculann1793

Ай бұрын

That assumes Medieval 3 and Empire 2 would be well-made. Otherwise, concidering their barely existent goodwill at the time of Pharaoh's release, I doubt the sales would have been very long-lived with those titles either.

@9tz768

Ай бұрын

@@houndofculann1793 they avoid to make them , also you will never play as a coloniser in 2024 no sir xd

@houndofculann1793

Ай бұрын

@@9tz768 Victoria 3 does have that though

CA abandoned the history audience long enough for me to get hooked on paradox games. Hard to go back now.

@Salazatl

Ай бұрын

Same

@Gardenstategreat1225

Ай бұрын

Same here. Dont get me wrong i love warhammer but i also love the history side alot.

@romainvicta7392

Ай бұрын

Same… been having so much fun w CK3 and Vic3, also dabbling in hoi4 but that one’s been a bit tough for me to grasp so far

@davidcirovic8620

Ай бұрын

the dlc policie has always put me of. I wont be paying 20 bucks for my byzantines to not function like a feudal state.

@loowick4074

Ай бұрын

Running from CA into paradox is from the frying pan into the fire lmao

It's a start, but by no means have they come close to redemption. They need to be consistently listening to the player base for at least 5 years to deserve redemption in my opinion

@antalpoti

Ай бұрын

And that is precisely what they are NOT doing. People are constantly asking for Med3, but CA is doubling down on fantasy and sci-fi. It's like forgiving your cheater girlfriend.

@bnjmndrf1055

Ай бұрын

Lol with that mentality CA will close, no more total war

@greg5435

Ай бұрын

@@bnjmndrf1055 That would be of their own fault. They're in the hole on their own. They have a loyal fanbase who have had enough. I've bought every single Total War game besides Pharaoh and Thrones. They are so detached from their player base that a reskin of Troy was their attempt at going back to "historical". IMO the company is already dead and wont come back. No more money from me until we get a real historical.

@lecoutcritique8854

Ай бұрын

@@bnjmndrf1055 And why would that be wrong? I'd rather have no company occupying their niche than one selling half-assed games, or with no intent to follow on the expectations of their customers. Right now having CA creating TWs is just them milking money of a sizeable (but medium sized) population of gamers. If you take CA out of the equation, the demand will rise up, and some independant devs will try their shot at it, some with success, some with failure, but novelty would be there. And THAT would be better than cycling again and again the same patchwork engine (look what this does to the NBA 2K franchise...)

@vetabeta9890

Ай бұрын

boo y’all are so bored

Someone from CA, dont remember who, once said redesigning maps or expanding maps take incredibly long time to complete. Years in fact. Makes you wonder how they pulled this one out of the studio so quickly.

@dodge33cymru

Ай бұрын

I think this was always the plan for this game, just they're releasing it for free instead of gradually through DLCs

@Sevenfold120

Ай бұрын

@@dodge33cymru Yeah completely agree. Thats what I was alluding at. This map was part of the larger plan and they were most likely going to release it as a DLC. But with the backlash by the community they decided to just free it instead. Good move. Maybe they will release some other paid DLCs later but at least the map isnt a paid DLC.

@jesenjin8467

Ай бұрын

I'd guess they had something working, and needed product to sell - while the whole maps was to buggy to implement. So, someone bit the bullet and said release it as it is, and continue making the other part of it.

@Submersed24

Ай бұрын

I think it’s wild how they don’t have a way to automate making these maps. Years to make it sounds very odd. Youd think ai could get something going fast

I think total war problems are not about the map size or graphics and etc.They should do smt about the AI, diplomacy and alies responding to player requests. The game needs to feel more alive and smarter

They have a long road ahead of them.

This shows that CA still have no idea what the real problem in their TW titles. If map expansion is a definition of their redemption then there is no hope for this game studio.

@malachor5ve

Ай бұрын

I've been away from CA games for a long time, could you explain what you mean, how have they been messing up?

@Badpak.

Ай бұрын

I too have been away from tw for a long time, since Atilla. What is the real problem with tw then?

@greg5435

Ай бұрын

@@malachor5ve Releasing lack luster games. Pharaoh is an asset flip of Troy. Troy is an asset flip of the Warhammer games. Pharaoh is marketed as a historical game. It is not, it is a Saga. Both the other Saga games, Troy and Thrones flopped. Three Kingdoms did great for Diplomacy and Generals 1v1ing. The general gameplay is bad though. War Hammer 3 is the only game keeping CA afloat at the moment and historical fans are angry because they still haven't had a true historical title since Attila in 2015. CA tried to pull a Call of Duty. Instead of keeping 1 team working on 1 game and pushing out a game every 2 years, they made 2 teams and pushed out 1 game a year. And failed miserably at it. Sega lost a bunch of money trying to produce Hyena's, which they can't even sell off to another company and now CA is biting the bullet getting staff cuts.

Even if they add enough content to make the game good, one fixed game is not enough to make up for the past 11 years.

@MixedMartialHelp

Ай бұрын

100%

@Jaroartx

Ай бұрын

now that totally spells doom to the Historical settings for Total War, they surely focus a lot more on external IPs

@Schizz76

Ай бұрын

It’s a hopeful step in the right direction though.

@duaneclark7108

Ай бұрын

Omg seriously? SMH

I want a Medieval 3 or a Medieval 2 remastered

@Nigel1Powers

Ай бұрын

Medieval 2 Remastered would be enough. They will **ck medieval 3 up anyway.

@MsSirAndy

Ай бұрын

@@Nigel1Powers When are we getting Med2 remastered? I hope before 2030

@Nigel1Powers

Ай бұрын

@@MsSirAndy lets pray that they do it at all

@kajolet

Ай бұрын

@@MsSirAndy we certainly not having med 3 with the last leak , at least med 2 remastered could be work again with ferral but with leason learned

It was already planned to have 3 games, third one being mesopotamia and having them merged as immortal empires of Warhammer 3. But after the bad sales, they just decided to release every asset they have. Believe me, if they had to make this assets from 0, they would've never done it. Instead they could've made Pharaoh as DLC (as first planned after the release of Troy). Nobody is playing Pharaoh and nobody will see these full map. • They still messed up if you asked me.

@kirilld6206

29 күн бұрын

Looking at scrumbled map of Anatolia I guess you are right or close to that. They had a lot of assets before players dissent.

“Redemption” Haha We’ll see.

Its a START, But CA has ALOT to make up for.

The Golden Path to redemption for CA leads through Medieval 3. A good Medieval 3, with a huge map spanning from Western Europe all the way to Japan, from Scandinavia all the way to Sub-Saharan Africa. Historical fans need to be given their magnum opus the way fantasy fans got a Warhammer trilogy. This is how CA can redeem themselves.

@Z-1991

Ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@Jaroartx

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂 you guys shit on the company and want a dinner date too surely that would work out

@antalpoti

Ай бұрын

@@Jaroartx oh no, somebody spoke ill of a multimillionaire company what are they gonna do now the poor things?!

@Jaroartx

Ай бұрын

@@antalpoti nothing for me and you thats a fact but historical players need to band and make some healthy competition to CA and realizes that historical settings are not profitable for now via different reasons, manors lords is a perfect example but is not entirely the same is a work of love by the developer can't wait to see more expansions or titles by different folks

@antalpoti

Ай бұрын

@@Jaroartx are you aware how much you're contradicting yourself? You claim that historical settings are not profitable (which is straight up not true) then you bring up Manor Lords as an example, a game which made millions of dollars for the dev in its first week of release, despite being in early access. Make it make sense. Also, there is a spiritual successor to Med 2 in the works already developed by fans.

Hear me out. What if we are all overlooking something. Back when Total War came out it was all based on historic settings. It was a history game and back then I believe that most people had a better understanding and interest in history. Now, people coming out of High School in the US don’t know the difference between WW1 and WW2. I wholeheartedly believe it’s a cultural shift of people being less educated and/or having less overall interest in historical settings themselves. I imagine that most of the people directing or working on the games in the beginning were all history buffs and have since then retired or moved on to other jobs, which are then replaced by younger people, that statistically I would guess have less understanding or interest in History. Or maybe the original workers just got bored of repeatedly making a new skin and setting for a new game constantly that they don’t have the drive anymore, since companies that eventually get big try to continually increase profits and stock prices to show growth, but I don’t think that any company can just infinitely grow without imploding on itself for straying too far from what the original purpose of starting the company was in the beginning. The quote “All good things must come to an end” comes to mind

@AndysTake

Ай бұрын

You might be right, but it might also just be confirmation bias. We know paradox do very well with their historical series, and after all Rome 2 was a very well selling game. So I don’t know.

Total War Bronze Age would be Absolutely dope. If they could push this to Cyrus the Great and Alexander the Great, even Ashoka the Great (India) it would be awesome.

now I am waiting for 3K resurrection.

Now that I finally have a powerful pc Im enjoying Troy. Ive fallen in love with bronze age so I will give Pharaoh a try when they release the expansion DLC

It should go from Iran all the way to Britain. Now THAT would be a good Bronze Age game.

Still looks like a historical warhammer title. Too arcade-style battles and cartoon-like soldiers

@bnjmndrf1055

Ай бұрын

Have you played the game? I play both of game and pharaoh battle seems fine

@toupatoupapa

Ай бұрын

@@bnjmndrf1055 No, I haven't. But I comment on how it looks compared to the old and good historical titles like shogun 2 and attila

@billyadaw7022

Ай бұрын

I wonder is shogun and atilla battle engine is really buggy that they make decision to stay with this cartoon like battle (aka troy like battle engine)

@bnjmndrf1055

Ай бұрын

Give it a try (you can get refund if you play around 2 hours on Steam), it is much better than the youtube Guy talk about it. Campaign map is gorgeous, battle are great, with blood dlc you can have river tainted in blood. I start my first campaign with Iolaos from sea people, and I will offer the hittite empire to the sun god by burning their cities.

@SergioGarcia-ds8yz

Ай бұрын

@@toupatoupapaShogun 2 was very good but attila was a slap in the face against the community. The good traits of the game are nothing compared to the extremely bullshit optimization of it

I am quite optimistic, I really love the setting and gameplay is good anyway.

Just because a bucket of water was dumped into the dumpster fire that is CA doesnt mean the job is done and the fire will go out 🤦‍♂️

Game actually looks really fun

I don't want CA to add more breadth and create a shallow ocean, I want them to fix issues that have been non-starters for years including horrible collision, janky individual sprite actions, not having everything feel like a Warhammer/mobile game, and better AI. I couldn't care less about having a bazillion provinces and a million factions if none of that changes.

They should have had Mesopotamia from the beginning.. What Bronze Age total war game doesn't include the Assyrians and Babylonians? Basically the OGs of the Bronze Age. It's as if Rome Total War didn't include Italy.

Thanks for staying both realistic but also positive and optimistic, Andy!

I'll probably pick it up on sale sometime after the map update comes out. I'm a big fan of the time period and this is probably as close to a full Bronze Age Total War that we're going to get. Still not gonna spend the full $40 given the fact that I don't see them giving this full support long term and the modding scene will probably never get very big with the tiny player base, but if this gets down to the $15-$20 range in the next 6 months to a year during a big steam sale then I'd think about grabbing it for sure.

They are still working with a broken combat engine. That has always been my deal breaker and why I won't buy another total war game until it's fixed. I'll stick with Rome 2 and Atilla for now, they're the last ones I bought.

@goncalves4269

Ай бұрын

Exactly. I can't take the blob-y, arcade, light and unimpactful combat. Everything feels so plastic, so weak. I got Warhammer titles and just can't, the hp bars and single-entity units absolutely ruined it for me. I prefer the Rome 1 - Attila period and engines far better.

i really liked total war troy

Only Redemption possible for them is to give us what we want. And that is Med 3 and Empire 2 + US Civil war as a DLC to Empire 2. There is nothing that can convince me that a Empire 2 game that: 1) Gives us bigger unit sizes and optional increase of between 20 - 50 stack armies. 2) Highly detailed, much bigger and beautiful global campaign map. 3) New innovative features like revolving gun turrets on ships, hot air balloons for spotting, torpedos, early subs and machine guns. 4) Government governing system with more features and bigger tech trees. 5) More building options for cities and provinces + railroads. Plus maybe even the introduction of the car. 6) Possibility of having multiplayer battles and campaigns with more than two people. 7) More advanced peace conferences. 8) Events and crisises that the player have to solve and will effect the nation. Would not be a profitable course for CA to take. Im sry but i refuse to accept any argument against this. The fact that they chose to make stars wars instead of this or Medieval 3, it just shows how out of touch they are. People like my are willing to shove our cash into their faces, but not for a product we are not asking for. You guys can play Pharo and Star Wars when it comes out, but i will be waiting until they wake up from their BS. I have waited since fall of the Samurai and i still got some patience left in me. + Napoleon total war remastered aint a bad shout too.

I look foward for this expansion, i even bought the game to sjow my support and Im actually loving it! To bad this wasnt released in the beginning.

They should have done that in the first place, releasing the game this year and avoiding the bad reviews and bad sales altogether. The image damage and loss of customer confidence is something they wont be able to heal for a long time. What to learn from all this? Never ever preorder a game or buy at release, but wait until at least 6 months after release.

would be cool when they make a kind of "immortal Empire" from WH3 but with Pharaoh and Troy

I don't trust CA to do the late bronze age collapse justice. I also don't trust the average TW fan to have any understanding of this time either.

I played it: good game. Reminds me of the original games from 20 years ago.

There has definitely been a “wake up call” at CA following the initial releases of SoC and TW Pharaoh. The greedy business practices that they used there were disgusting. Fortunately, the people finally voted with their wallets, putting much needed pressure on CA. With all of the price drop and free content being added to TW Pharaoh, plus the absolute success of ToD, I agree that this could be the start of a redemption arc. It’s at least evidence of a course correction. I love TW, so I hold onto hope… Time will tell.

The map looks like it's big enough & fitting for other historical setting like Alexander the Great's campaign or "Wars of Diadochi"

It always felt weird to do a bronze age game with only 2 of the major bronze age civilizations around the fertile crescent. I'd have preferred a less granular map with all the relevant factions from the very start. I'll probably buy the game if and when the update goes out and it lives up to the promise.

I skipped the purchase last year because of the state at the time. Should I buy it now or let it wait?

@hiero-vh9jt

27 күн бұрын

Game still feels massively different from the other historical total wars. But you can buy it if you want

It is probably a niche hope, but I would love for this map to be retooled for an Heirs of Alexander game/saga. I think it would work really well with faction variance, and its a really interesting era that is pretty neglected. I think some mechanics from TW3K like the imperial regency could be implemented as well. And it would work well with CA's recent focus on character factions

I dig this move by CA. I want them to go the extra mile and add a full mythos as well. Will buy Pharaoh once this is ready.

All of us know what the new map look like, it's time to form Rome.

A much needed update that needs to be tested when its out though. Its fantastic yes. But we need more solid information. More screenshots/more teasers. I am glad that they didn't abandon the game and left it a half finished Bronze age game.

I bought Troy with money. Can I get Pharaoh somehow or not?

may i know does the AI still anti player and declare war for no reason in this game?

And it’s time for Rome 3 already

If only they show as much love to the medieval fans

You and Terminator should do a collab

Would they add indus valley too ?

@reydryne

Ай бұрын

No

Im so glad to have this coming and for free too CA are starting rebuild that trust with the players again and I completely agree with you and them adding a mthyos option and bring back the hero duels fro K3 so they win or die rather than shitty Troy having to level up epic heroes just to watch them look cool for 5 minutes and shouting childish insults at each other unlike Rome 2 with their insults like - Soldier: Ba'al Hammon, protect meeeee! Officer: SHUT UP and die QUIETLY! -"the bastards, they're fighting back!" "...aye, enemies tend to do that" 🤣😅

I’ll admit, I had no interest at all. But with the new updates announced, I decided to pick it up and was actually pleasantly surprised with how much fun I had. Can’t wait for the map update.

Redemption would be Medieval 3

@danielalejandrocerecedodig6237

Ай бұрын

Pls dont...make a medieval 2 remastered...

@FreelancerCZ

Ай бұрын

@@danielalejandrocerecedodig6237 both could be great if done well 🔥

I will defend this game until my last day

Bring Age of Mythology to this map and take my money

I'm getting flashbacks from what CA is doing too Pharaoh.... Emperor edition vibes anybody else ?

Well dangle this infront of my shiny object oriented fandom and for 40 bucks i am a buyer right now

Lets be honest we are waiting for a competator to fill the void at this point...

@MadHatterHerby

Ай бұрын

Manor Lords?.....

I want new Rome total war☹

@Vasiliy_Kazakov

Ай бұрын

Rome 2 still looks pretty good. I think Medival 3 or Empire 2 will be much more relevant.

@dthendrick1

Ай бұрын

​@Vasiliy_Kazakov completely agree, Rome 2 looks pretty good to this day and has a plethora of mods if you want a new Rome experience. Empire deserves a second chance, that game has the most potential out of any historical Total War game imo. But I would glady settle for Medieval 3.

Great cannot wait to fight more lightly armored chariots, archers, swordsmen. Basically the same factions but different names. I'm going back to Medieval 2 modded.

@lukasor9936

Ай бұрын

so cavalry, spear and sword infantry aswell as archers... its not that much different, kinda weird to focus on that as an issue.

@SnoW-pk9zo

Ай бұрын

@@lukasor9936maybe he meant that all factions look the same?

@lukasor9936

Ай бұрын

@@SnoW-pk9zo medieval 2 is the same tho, you essentialy have the europeans and arabs. A great game regardless so lack of strong variety is not an issue.

@sourballs1248

Ай бұрын

Guessing you never heard of shogun 2?

@wegdhass5587

Ай бұрын

Def true lol, but pharaoh still has interesting combat. Using javelins to flank and annihilate the enemy is always fun, especially with the harpooner units that the sherden guy gets.

My assumption is that they will not change the size to movement ratio

@user-os6ps1ls3s

Ай бұрын

Hopefully it won’t be like thrones of Brittania where it takes you army 4 flipping years to walk across England when I could walk it on within 2 months

@thejesterofwoe7778

Ай бұрын

@user-os6ps1ls3s oh sweet mother, I hope not.

I'll never forgive...unless, perhaps, they released Medieval Total War III lmao

I preferred to buy three kingdoms instead of this it makes me sad in a way to see them come to this point cause Iam playing total war games since school

The combat is wacky

Three kingdoms-like shogun 3 or nothing

Nice

More is not always better...

@TheRevan1337

Ай бұрын

In this case, it is.

@Diogolindir

Ай бұрын

In this case it really is. I want to play as the Acheans and Mesopotamians

2 bad games in a row? i tend to think that signs the death warrant in future games, should had given an older game something big or give us shogun 3 with an onin war dlc, i think battles and economy was bad like troy, so more factions is 3 on most desired thing by fans if any at all

Why the whole continent map?, Egypt never touched sub saharan Africa , looks suspect

Right.

ya id get the full whack for 30 seems fair

CA might have just saved themselves and TW with this.

Shogun 3 pls

I think they have to stop with the every year release something and instead focus on one good game. I dont mind waiting a few years for a good game that is of high standard like medieval 2.

Thrones of decay for warhammer 3 being split still isn't a great thing, there's barely any content added in each pack and they're priced the same as the old packs, which had multiple playable factions in them.

For me there are to many dlc. I am a bit unsure if i bought this game i will even speriment the tru experience. Just in case i will wait. I have my nice empire divided and Attila to play.

YES

TW Fans: "All we want is a new engine to finally fix decade long bugs such as pathfinding and sieges while stopping the need to remove old features due to the old engine reaching its technical limits" CA: "May the force be with you"

This is a good first step to CA regaining our trust

@ErnestIsGaming

Ай бұрын

Gullible

I just dont get why they haven't done Medieval 3... Simple solution, they've had plenty of time to make it.

Another Ratty's take moment

If the rumors are true that Creative Assembly is looking at making a star wars game I can officially say it's time to move on brothers were never getting a good historical game again the company is on a new direction.

Oh? Total War is still a thing?

If the game still has no Kill Animations im out

It's still gonna suffer from all the same problems the game has suffered from since Rome II, the AI is crap, the sieges are boring and repetitive, the battle maps are boring and featureless and you spend the whole campaign micromanaging bonuses of 1-5% in some ultra specific niche. They need to start from scratch instead of piling more bandaids on bandaids.

They need to release a working game first before any redemption lmao

For pharaoh there's a possible redemption but if that's true and star Wars is the next TW game, there will be no redemption for CA

@mariusbehm9874

Ай бұрын

Ca will make with 40k so mutch money they dont need your money

Pharaoh is such a great game, and this update is only going to make it better.

@Chtigga

Ай бұрын

Exactly! But it was not released with enough content and the initial price was way too high.

@luigisaguier8336

Ай бұрын

Depends on your standards for what a great TW title is. If your standard are TW titles like Med 2 or Shogun 2 then Pharaoh would clearly be a let down. But if you base your standards on Troy or Thrones of Britannia then yes, Pharaoh is great game compared to those

@EisenKreutzer

Ай бұрын

@@luigisaguier8336 Pharaoh launched with more content than Shogun 2 did, is equally limited in scope as Shogun 2 is but has more unit variety, better campaign mechanics and more modern battle controls, and has more interesting factions. I actually think Pharaoh is a better game than Shogun 2.

@luigisaguier8336

Ай бұрын

@@EisenKreutzer Where are the naval battles? The unobtrusive and clean UI, and gunpowder weapons, artillery and very different units (even if most factions are pretty similar) allows shogun 2 players to try a lot more tactics and strategies compared to Pharaoh's limited type of units (even if factions and units look different the true is that their tactics are all pretty much identical). Can you do Tercio types of armies in Pharaoh with Pikes and Arcabuses? Can you do hammer and anvil tactics without cavalry in Pharaoh? Can you set your artillery on a hill and force your opponent to rush your carefully chosen position? And... have you tried the Carlist Wars mod for Shogun 2? Or the Last Alliance mod for Shogun 2? Both fix the suposely lack of faction variety and scope of Shogun 2. Which mod fixes Pharaoh's issues?

@EisenKreutzer

Ай бұрын

@@luigisaguier8336 The fact that you need those mods to fix Shogun 2 proves my point.

give me a PharaoxTroy crossgame and i may buy shitty pharao

CA redemption arc

Finally a reason to buy this game

@SnoW-pk9zo

Ай бұрын

🤨

Is it just me who gets stutters every few moments in battles since the latest update? It was fine before.

@bnjmndrf1055

Ай бұрын

It is you, or at least at don't get this kind of issue.

@AngSco30

Ай бұрын

@@bnjmndrf1055 fair enough, must be something to do with my settings, it was completely fine before. Thanks for the response.

We shall see, I wonder if they expand to India, China bronze age also mythic mode

Too little too late - they already sink their own boat It is not worth of your time

Just make medieval 3

Was the base game before the update ever fun or worth playing with cool mechanics and armies and good battles? I heard not, just because you can play the same sucky game in like mesopotamia doesn't mean its good, unless they fix all the bugs I've heard of and add fun new mechanics then like I'm still not playing Communicating with players is good but like it doesn't matter if we still don't get what we actually want which is medieval 3 and empire 2, its just pharaoh could have not been a huge disappointment on launch

Schill doing schill things

It’s nice to see this. But from the beginning I never had an interest in this time period.

Honestly, they can make the best map ever, I won't play historical titles with Warhammer-like battles, with lack of collision and insisting on single entity units and character-heavy designs. I am totally satisfied with Darthmod Empire/Napoleon, DEI Rome 2 and FotE Attila.

@alejandrocartagenaalgarra1509

Ай бұрын

FACTS

If the myth stuff carries over I am all in 👍

not a fan of the battle engine of troy. i hear this is the extension version of it. content creators wont touch it so i don't have no desire to even consider this game