a new codex release should be top of this list

@desertwynd30

3 ай бұрын

Oof

@AlunDowdeswell

3 ай бұрын

I dunno, 9th was pretty dumb because a new codex was completely broken and just had to be changed immediately, it was a really shit cycle we all moaned about. Now though, they've gone the opposite direction where no one wants their codex because it'll nerf their stuff insanely :D

@rowanash5378

3 ай бұрын

Not if the codex was Custodes or Dark Angels, lol.

@definitelynotanork9520

3 ай бұрын

@@AlunDowdeswellAll I’m hearing is that they’re still feared.

@Rtgaming-je2zs

3 ай бұрын

Based

It's bad units that scare me. The person running them knows something I don't.

@ShittusThinkus

3 ай бұрын

Yeah i understand, when someone comes with an weird army list that consists of 25% or more of bad units i immediatly think "THAT FUCKER IS UP TO SOMETHING!".

@bluespart

3 ай бұрын

They're either running a weird skew list or a funny fluff list. You're in for a good time or a bad time, and it's usually not until turn 3 you're aware which one it's gonna be.

@leonk1102

3 ай бұрын

You're running Units because they are meta, I'm running Units because the little soldiers looked cool. Catch me foot slogging because i hate transports.

@kadebaca4903

3 ай бұрын

I love using unconventional units against my opponents like the Hades Breaching Drill. They never expect the drill to come out with a squad of Kasrkin lead by Ursula to blast them with 3 first rank, second rank orders while the drill tank shocks and drills into what ever else didn't get melted by the insane amount of fire from the Kasrkins.

@magicalawnmower4764

3 ай бұрын

im still gonna be running custodes after the codex, I'm just gonna pretend I have control over everything

I think it is just the C'tan and only under the current points

@johnsmith-dn8kv

3 ай бұрын

Von

@TheTreborus

3 ай бұрын

uh well hello Christian, just wanted you to know, got my first game with gsc in today, thanks to you help ❤

@johnsavage9633

3 ай бұрын

Cultbros rise up!

@dr_buschy

3 ай бұрын

What about the fear of the Sisters or Cult Codex being really bad? For me its real

@magicalawnmower4764

3 ай бұрын

and transcendant c'tan not being an epic hero imo

My buddy has a Farseer He's named "Idroleth" he himself is not the scariest unit he owns but when he's pulled out we know it's gonna be a tough fight. For whatever reason he's almost impossible to kill with some god like saves and is just a pain in the ass. Not to mention with how the story of our Crusade has gone Idroleth is responsible for almost everything wrong that's happened.

Y'all seriously trying to tell me, that your heart doesn't skip a beat at the sheer sight of a Ripper Swarm!? 😮

@zacharymendoza4945

3 ай бұрын

No, not really lol but the mass amount of bodies is impressive

Probably my Primaris Judiciar leading Sword Brethren. My friends call him the Holy Diver because some times he just deletes stuff and can even hide in combat. Ride that tiger boys

@ethanpike428

3 ай бұрын

Gotta add a lightning tiger

@jprovorse4159

3 ай бұрын

Times three.

@CryoDex

3 ай бұрын

I Applaud the Dio reference

@gorryman

3 ай бұрын

@@CryoDex No, no, ride the tiger You can see his stripes but you know he's clean Oh don't you see what I mean ( No Ronnie, we don't know what you mean, but hell of a song anyway) Never ran Judiciar with Sword Bros , usually throw him with a 20 man Primaris Crusader Squad blob and walk him up the middle of the board screened by scouts and intercessors. When the smoke clears and the meatshields are gone it just him and his unit backed by a redemter saying come get some lol. But I could see him in an impulsar w/ some sword bros being a nice cheap delete button early on in the game , and let HellBrrecht and his sword bros go and delete somewhere else. FOR THE EMPEROR brother...

@Tyranid-Khan

3 ай бұрын

Love Dio reference

Looking forward to the stompa being here in a few weeks time, and the best part I don’t think anyone would object to

"I can't kill this easily" Admech players: 1. Things with higher than T3 2. Things with stealth 3. Things with a 2+ save 4. Pretty much anything that isn't a guardsman or a hormagaunt

@mikoajpietrych6168

3 ай бұрын

Basically "I can't kill this easily"=enemy

Carnifex should be number 1. “Distraction Carnifex” was a thing for a reason lol

C'tan are scary. A game of 9th: Knights Vs Necrons. C'tan wiped out one in two rounds of combat

@The_Penguin_8964

3 ай бұрын

Trust me, some player can do it in just one round...🤦🏻‍♂️ It horrified me🤦🏻‍♂️

Nightbringer at 500prs for escalation league has been the boogeyman of our LGS the past month

@fetalmistake5624

3 ай бұрын

Ok hold up... Someone plays a nightbringer in 500 pts and still has friends?

@wulvercreative6511

3 ай бұрын

@@fetalmistake5624 yeeeeeeeep and my tyranids are not having a good time with it 😂

@KingBobbito

3 ай бұрын

Hmmmm, I wonder why I typically don't play in leagues 🤔

My Black Templars Land Raider Redeemer loaded with Helbrecht and 10 Sword Brethren is a powerful combo that deletes virtually anything it touches. Even the less extreme version with 2 squads of 5 Sword Brethren led by Helbrecht and another character, like a Bladeguard-LT or Judiciar with Sigismund’s Seal, is incredibly deadly. The only way to stop it is if the opposing player invests heavily in anti-tank firepower to overkill the Land Raider in one turn, and kill some of the Sword Brethren inside, before they get into charge range. However, tables with LOS-blocking terrain makes that unlikely, which is why Land Raiders and their passengers are such formidable threats!

Land Raiders have been a tournament staple for decades. Perfect deahtstar taxi and GW seems fine wiht it.

@watergaming7543

3 ай бұрын

They carried so hard that they needed to take a 6 year vacation

@dras-pv8qv

3 ай бұрын

Not like their doing much to get SM out of a 41% win rate right now

I do fear my Necron heavy firepower… getting blasted off the board after missing every shot they fired.

I’ve been told that hellblasters in a transport with a firing platform is very infuriating to face, with the ability to attack multiple times per turn, and the only drawback of overcharged plasma being nullified

I just hate the Nightbringer, very difficult to kill and outputs insane damage. By far the model I least like playing against

@Imaheretic_

3 ай бұрын

Yup. Went to a casual 1k tournament where a Nightbringer was present, upu can guess which army won the whole thing...

@Tnkrumpets

3 ай бұрын

Nightbringer took out my redeemer and 6 Bladeguard + Adrax + LT over 3 turns. Absolute savage

@Seti12345

3 ай бұрын

@@Tnkrumpets that’s light work for the Nightbringer, him taking out multiple 200+ point vehicles or monsters with ease is where he’s nastiest

Avatar being scary is not surprising, but I want to mention my Archon who tanked all attacks from Khaine. 2++ did its job 😎

"I wonder if that one was written by a World Eaters player" I feel so seen right now

I get a bit squirrely whenever I see a unit with decent Melee output and access to Fights First. I run Genestealers with Broodlord / Screamer killers as objective clearers, and neither want to tank a full round of dedicated melee. C'tan and each of the Daemon Primarchs will make me stand up and take notice too.

Not featured: anything 'Nid, 'cause their biggest weakness is the standard meta for even a semi-competitive list (tanky and high damage as mentioned in 3rd on this vid) and their biggest strength is a single cheese strat (biomines) which is not overly difficult to counter.

@BLUEBOYISLEDGE

3 ай бұрын

Gargoyles and Neurolictors are both better than the Biovore, our gameplan in 10th is as a control, not killing army.

@AAw3s0m3

3 ай бұрын

@@BLUEBOYISLEDGE and even then they've been nerfed at least once so far and are still artificially holding up the rest of the army.

@BLUEBOYISLEDGE

3 ай бұрын

@@AAw3s0m3 I mean yeah, the original state of Biovores was ridiculously OP though

@TheMuddleHeadedAnalyst

3 ай бұрын

@@BLUEBOYISLEDGE However, if you give your Neurolictor Thigh highs and gloves then it will instantly counter everthing on field...

@co1699

3 ай бұрын

​@@AAw3s0m3 you ain't scared of some 'ankle biters'? Otherwise known as Rippers.

Iol specifying the index for custodes, love it

I think what most of these 'problem' units/ armies have in common is that they really don't much care what their target is. Ironstorm in particular with the Primaris tanks and dreads have so many extra anti-infantry weapons on top of very powerful anti-tank that even if they run into a horde infantry army they can still wipe out units pretty quickly. Terrain is also very definitely an issue. I often see tournament lists that apparently did very well or won major events and know that there's simply no way they'd not get shot off the board in a couple of turns at my local FLGS. Most people simply don't have that much LOS-blocking stuff in their collections.

As an ork player, with the last reveals, it's my duty to put the stompa into that list.

@The80sWolf_

3 ай бұрын

Or full gretchin army

Sly fucking Marbo ofc you made the list

I think "most dangerous units" in terms of meta is very relevant for "most players". I feel like with listbuilding becoming more and more streamlined with editions, middle of the meta (not necessarily the bottom) moves closer and closer to the top in terms of lists. Getting the idea to do something like spam Vehicles in Ironstorm is obvious to most people and differences in piloting requirements are also less pronounced. Yes, 7th was cancer but a big part why normal people just didn't play a Draigo Bomb was because your list was like a single 1800 point unit and you had to take extra care to score points with that against someone of equal skill. Mid players can very comfortambly run Ironstorm or Hypercrypt or what have you.

@2:20 As a dogged AdMech player with a win-loss ratio overwhelmingly in the red, that hits uncomfortably close to home...😂

@Celentar

3 ай бұрын

I think overwatch from a Breacher units with lethal & sustained hits and full reroll should atleast be an honorable mention of being scary

Everywhere I go with my World Eaters all I hear is “awww man, you brought Angron?!”

@jaimesmiller414

3 ай бұрын

Blessings of Khorne on turn one with advance + charge with Angry Ron gets me into their deployment zone everytime. So much chaos in the back line

Hellblasters are scary becuase of how all the introduction boxes / combat patrols have worked over the lat few years. By the time a new play has collected their first 1000-2000 points of space marines using those boxes they almost certianly have 5-10 hellblasters. And then in their first few games gainst other new players they remember that time they got smashed by Hellblasters.

Honourable mention for the thousand sods demon prince with the relic. Good movement, a 14 attack, strength 7, damage 2 sweep profile and a 6 attack, strength 9, ap 2, damage 4 strike profile is no joke.

Hell Blasters have been dubbed my “bastard unit” by my play group and I do not blame them.

Daemonettes... 9" movement, 7+ Saves, Devastating Wounds, Hit Re-rolls, And they can deep strike...

We have a guy at our local games store that runs imperial knights. He had only lost once. Currently doing a campaign and he pretty much tables every one by turn 2. Kinda unfun tbh

Ngl, centurion devastators are kinda good. I use them and despite being 370 for 6, they get the job done with their 6 twin lascannons being able to kill literally everything (like one time I had a game and in the whole battle, they helped kill a nightbringer, 2 doom stalkers and help kill a doomsday ark in a total of 5 battle rounds). Their missile launchers are kinda decent aswell. They have D3 attacks with blast and d3 damage. Just thought I’d say these because they are literally killing machines and pair well with vanguard ultramarines. Being able to deep strike with Uriel ventris and teleport around the map with guerilla tactics is kinda good

Glad to see my Dread Stomp list in there... even if it's lumped in with a bunch of other stuff.

gonna do my part to get mont'ka triptides onto this list in time for the next version. Just waiting on the fix to let them have assault and it'll be over

The tone and meter of your speech finally clicked. You, Sir Auspex, are the gentlest of robots.

I play Eldar and guard as i have for decades, the model that make my heart sink more than anything when whipped out is Angron. just because of the revive thingy, i've had him pop back up 3 times in a single game once.

Lol, female custodes should top the list apparently 😂

Sly Marbo being the biggest threat, love it!

I play CSM and landraider with Mark of Nurgle has been an enormous pain for my friend and opponent who normally hammers me. The combination of sustained hits on 5+ with las cannons and sneaky Nurgle you can't shoot me at long range strategem has made him suffer!

i played my first 2000 pt game with necrons a few days ago, my nightbringer strike one hit magnus from full wounds ...it felt kinda bad and i did not expect that from him

Genuinely surprised to not see Eightbound/Exalted Eightbound on here. While World Eaters are struggling a little more broadly, they are utterly brutal units that move incredibly fast.

Last game I played was my guard vs necrons and the night bringer took 2 full rounds of shooting from my stormsword

@PiPLevyy

3 ай бұрын

You finish him?

@mastermonkey95

3 ай бұрын

@@PiPLevyy nope each up keep he got to heal the full 3

@mastermonkey95

3 ай бұрын

He still had 5 wounds remaining after it

@PiPLevyy

3 ай бұрын

I thought that my guard big tanks could destroy everything in a turn, I haven't had a chance to fight a nightlord yet...

@mastermonkey95

3 ай бұрын

@@PiPLevyy I'm just waiting for a pts hike on that SOB

demons that what put hell if a feared in me, i don't know how to bet them

Honour Vehement Captain + Sword Bros in Gladius. You pop Finest Hour in Assault Doctrine and get 10 Attacks, WS +2, Strength 10 + Free Lance Strat, -3 Ap + Dmg 3 + Devastating Wounds. That guy murders everyone before the Bros start to cook. 6 Eradicators with Fire Discipline in Devastator Doctrine literally look @ every vehicle or monster in the game and beam it to the Sun. Both combos are great into C‘tan due to how halve dmg works.

I remenber my land raider redemer who survive with 1 hp for 3 round because of my techmarines against a grey knight and he killed 1 nemesis knight each turn.

Ah the list of things that can delete my favourite unit and are tricky to prevent doing so. I'll bet if this poll were run in past editions when such things still existed anything that can do theoretically infinite damage would have been up there - limitless self generating attacks being the thing that comes to mind

Dataslate updates can be quite fearsome. xD

Well next Saturday should be interesting, taking 4 c'tan and 3 doomstalkers to a tournament

@willshields4480

3 ай бұрын

you nasty

My mates 10 man death company blob all with power fists and inferno pistols and Lemartes leading them

I love my Bloodthirster, until 8 mortal wounds per fight on top are pretty nice I think

Deathshroud termis are quite feared as well & DG rules as well!

The guys I play against are absolutely terrified of Skorpekh Destroyers after watching my unit wipe out the entire left side of the board in three turns. On the last turn I charged Typhus and a full 20 Poxwalker unit for a laugh, just to see how many I could take down before the game ended. They killed everything.

I only dread stuff that I DONT see on the table because it's deep striking somewhere next turn!

Surprised not to see an apothecary mentioned in with the hellblasters. Supercharge, prob 1 will die and get to shoot again, the he gets resus off the apothecary, What's not to like?

Just faced a Necron list with 2 C'tan and a Nightbringer... Still recovering

6 Devilfish full of Breachers. FEAR THE FISH!

@user-hv6gi9ux6z

3 ай бұрын

6? You should only be able to run 3 devilfish max

@Starkiller-fc4kk

3 ай бұрын

@@user-hv6gi9ux6zdedicated transports ignore that rule

I love my ctan most likely goin up in points soon but thats fine theyll still kick ass

I love sticking hellblasters in the impulsor

@rowanpeacock3304

3 ай бұрын

my questors didn't like the doomstalker in canoptek court, it then charged it and did a solid 36 damage. the lokhust heavy destroys are a pain with my repulsor

Stompa. It means your opponent either doesn't know what he's doing (which will make for all kinds of game problems), or he's somehow a secret genius and has some crazy strats that you're not ready for.

Definitely agree with the C'Tan. I threw my lancer at the void dragon and it took 3 turns to kill it. At nearly double the points value and D 8 lance at str 20 shouldn't have taken that long! held it at bay at least so my armigers could score well.

I can attest to the Void Dragon being unreasonably tanky. Faced against a friend playing Imperial Guard, and he blew all his infantry, Basilisk, and Rogal Dorn shooting in him and by turn 4 he had barely managed to get up to 10 wounds out of 12. For the points, Void Dragon is way too strong, so I think he will get nerfed. I don't own a Nightbringer, but from what I've heard he is also a real terror on the field.

What's your opinion on Mozrog, now that he's less duable?

Guard Artillery is a bit of a paper tiger. Yes, they can hit anywhere on the map, but unless a Scout Sentinel can see the target you’re at best hitting on 3+ with only S8 or S10, effectively only AP-1 because of cover. For 180 a Manticore should be able to easily wipe an 5 man Intercessor squad in a single turn of shooting, but in practice it just doesn’t.

going to do my damned best to get celestine on this list one day.

Question a little off topic; How many years & at which University did you complete your Masters in Warhammer?

Ctan have been a brick wall for me. Murdered morty and angron. Gonna try magnus next

Hekaton Land Fortress is a pain for me

The next space marine codex

I don't think the C'tan are pointed incorrectly. I think they just need to be limited to taking only 1 epic hero (transcendent C'tan not that scary lets be honest). Take away the better save, wounds, toughness and the potential -1 to wound from the Avatar and he'd probably be costed the same as the C'tan.

As a Harlequin player, I'm pretty intimidated by horde armies. Setting up and seeing that the enemy out number me around 3-4 to 1, and my T3 units.. I am the prime example of glass cannon. And when facing down such large numbers of enemies I just gotta pray I roll hot, otherwise i'm going to get tabled pretty quick. As they can tie me up in combat pretty easily.

@FinxOmally

3 ай бұрын

Also the fear on not even getting a detachment when Codex Aeldari eventually drops. The fear of being forgotten is worse then anything else.

Typhus is terrifying

as a Dg player. A Landraider

Bender in charge of the Adeptus Mechanicus.

My qorst is fear my friend's necro army. She is super lucky on her saves and I can never get through her units. Her renaimation doesn't even really matter since I cant kill any of her stuff.

I've got like 6 or 7 Russ's 5 Carnodons 5 Basilisks 1 Malcador annihilator 2 Hades drills 3 Mecharius tanks (magnetized) and 1 Aukurian Stormhammer. Troop side over 16 squads of old school Grenadiers models a handful of officers two command squads and an old Karis Venner model al.ost forgot 3 Dracosian transports I proxy as chimeras.

@dakkawizard6929

3 ай бұрын

On the guards side of things anyway.

I just played my Nightbringer for the first time and it killed a night Castellen in a single turn... might need a slight rebalance

I don't fear the Tau... It's the distance between my army and the Tau that bother me😂

Stompa about to go on this list B-)

Baneblade with enginseer?

Death jester with fates messenger for me

Where are top 10 weak armirs? I cant find Astra Militarum in balanced or top tier so… :D

What happens if you play unpainted grey knights?

For me the worst is the greater daemon of Khrone, avatar of Khaine and guard tanks. As for my opponents they don't like ST Celestine coming back, thunder wolves, Necron wraiths and the Nightbringer. In early 10th edition the Necron Lychguard deathstar combo was the worst for complaints.

Necrons c'tans and deathrays. I do agree with these

Hellblasters are super inconsistent imho. They either do basically nothing or like 500 points worth of shooting damage in your enemies turn lol.

Man, I surprised the redeemer made this list. I don't get much out of it. Maybe Im just not good with transports. Jump infantry is about 75% of my best list. I've used that list in 32 games and yet to lose with it. (Should probably mention I play blood angels) I play against competitive players. Most of them having placed in top 3 at gts in 10th. The only reason I can't play tournaments myself is my health simply won't allow it. I can barely finish a game if it goes on too long (over 4 hours. I'm good for about 3). Hellblasters kind of make sense, if they are kitted out correctly they can be fierce. If you don't kill them quick they are going to kill some things. If you don't have units that can kill them in melee (melee is the best way, because then if they shoot, it's bolt pistols). Armor doesn't scare me. I think it's actually weak, which is why mine sits on the shelf. Death company, jump intercessors with the right leaders, or van vets can take them down in a charge (even ctan have a great chance at dying if charged by these units) if you call oath on them (except for the death company) and use red rampage on the unit that charges them. And I used to fear ctan. I still think they should be more pts to field, but they aren't that scary. Just call oath on them and use a big unit with red rampage on it. jump intercessors are king at this job, adding mortals on charge. But you can also throw grenades and red rampage on them cuz you should have a captain and sanguinary priest with them. They will fnp on some mortals, but then 51 attacks str 7 AP 2 DMG 1 attacks and 10 str 11 AP 3 DMG 2 (though it will take them as DMG one because of half damage rule) all with +1 to wound and lethals is most likely going to do it.

CSM player here. What are the best options for taking down the Avatar? His molten form is a real pain in the butt.

@0MaxK0

3 ай бұрын

Lethal hits (gets past the 12+ fortune combo) and mortal wounds (grenades and tank shocks won't kill it outright but the Avatar doesn't heal and guaranteed chip damage is a massive threat).

Mozrog should get a mention here, he's ridiculously tanky for 195 points and his damage output against monsters/vehicles is way to high.

@whichDude

3 ай бұрын

Honorable mention

@joelmills4304

3 ай бұрын

He is mentioned.

i wonder why there is no admech unit in that list ?

Overall I love 10th flaws and all. But when both meta c’tan cost less than the swarmlord we have some balance issues.

When I play tyranids anything with a 2 up sv or t10 or higher terrifies me

Ahh Necrons….the Man City of 40K

Not a single ork? What da zog!?

I don't know if I should feel bad for playing Magnus all the time. He's good for the first time in forever butbcan be very oppressive if the enemy is not prepared.

I run a Dark Angels gunline that outranges my opponent. I run terminators and dreads to screen. I win with attrition. I don't want to see a tau gunline because it just does my same tactic better.

God damn ghost ark with healing and a 4+ invol annoys me on top of the ctans

I know that Uthar the pointless is not on the list. The Hekaton is probably Votann's closest.

Not gonna lie, the Nightbringer has earned it. Dude is friggen nasty.

My repulsor executioner usually one shots models off the board, cough cough my buddies primarch