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We need a new Midnight Club
@alphaplayz8927
8 ай бұрын
Give the people what they want!
@zjay1315
8 ай бұрын
@alphaplayz8927 the people killed it though. We were supposed to get it but Rockstar canned it after gta 5 exploded in popularity
@sanderhackerhd8369
8 ай бұрын
Yes!
@mileselectric3677
8 ай бұрын
Someone had to say it
@chrisg3344
8 ай бұрын
We'll never get it sadly
Night Runners got an update just yesterday actually, the demo will be launching in December for patreon members and the public release of the demo will be coming around New Years day
@cheesefries7174
8 ай бұрын
Is night runners on ps5?
@xZephyrOfficial
8 ай бұрын
@@cheesefries7174 maybe, i think it will be
@stevenskates8077
8 ай бұрын
Game looks super underwhelming I hope it gets a lot of car customization
@tarmarda8799
8 ай бұрын
@@stevenskates8077 if you think nightrunners looks underwhelming you haven't really looked alot into it, the customisation alone is insane from what's been show and it's done by a single developer as far as i am aware
@jessebinks6475
8 ай бұрын
@@cheesefries7174nah on PC only unfortunately
I'm very excited for AC2, I just got my first ever force feedback wheel (CSL DD 8NM) and I've been having a blast learning how to drive with it in AC and the F1 game.
@CrispyShifts
8 ай бұрын
i also have a CSL DD (GT pro), its my first direct drive and its nice! wish it had more power though. allowing for more detail. what wheel(s) did you end up picking up? excited to hear your thoughts on them
@housecatonfire3038
8 ай бұрын
@@CrispyShiftsfor more power get the ffb booster cable thing, wheels I personally recommend the McLaren GT3 Wheel or the BMW wheel which I have but can't use due to having xbox.
@CrispyShifts
8 ай бұрын
@@housecatonfire3038 i already have the 8nm boost kit. Im talking a dd1 or dd2 at 20nm
@housecatonfire3038
8 ай бұрын
@@CrispyShifts I mean realistically thats WAY more ffb than you'll ever need so its really up to whether you have the extra money to buy it.
Ive got a lot of hope for Solar Crown. I just want a game where i can just cruise for hours on end that has an interesting world
@kriskater
8 ай бұрын
Absolutely… like the horizon 3 days… hoping this will be the cross between horizon and gt that ive always dreamed of.
@DeathToAllHamsters
8 ай бұрын
I had a team in TDU2 where we would just pick a pointman who would pick a spot on the map and we would follow :D most of the time we would be doing it for well over 8hrs at a time was some of the most fun I have ever had in a racing game so I got high hopes for solar crown :)
@hero6405
8 ай бұрын
Nah the game will turn into a disaster.
@kriskater
8 ай бұрын
@@hero6405 how will it be a disaster? Also what racing games you been playin?
@daanklas776
8 ай бұрын
@@kriskaterway before that. Back on TD unlimited and TD unlimited 2 those games set the bar for every open world race game for the past 15 years and even after 15 years i still didnt find a game that was as good as TD unlimted.
Next year better be a great year for games
@relax4531
8 ай бұрын
yeah no buggy launches and all content on launch
@ipadair5977
8 ай бұрын
Real
@ryanfliegel
8 ай бұрын
Don't hold your breath😂
@GoatedAtNFS
8 ай бұрын
we’ve been saying this since 2019
@TheSh4dowgale
8 ай бұрын
I've been hoping this for years, but I've losr hope after last year.
Who remembers BLUR on ps3???😊
The problem with current games is perfectly demonstrated with Forza Horizon 5. I, among many others, paid for the deluxe version only to find now we don't get extra DLC unless we pay even more money. It is horribly frustrating to drop $100 USD to find that's not enough money for the distributor or developer!
@paulfitzpatrick6566
6 ай бұрын
Sry but anyone who pays $100 for one single game needs their head examined. Absolutely nuts. You seriously think any game lives up to its launch hype? One in 100, possibly. I don’t buy games at launch, I wait minimum 3 months until games are reduced 75-80% & released with all inclusive dlc which shdve been in the base game at launch. In the last 10 years, iv never paid more than £20 for any game & frequently pick up games for less than that. The gaming community needs to get it’s collective head sorted out
@bigcheese7709
4 ай бұрын
@@paulfitzpatrick6566good for you honey bun
@PureColumbianCocainum1949
4 ай бұрын
@paulfitzpatrick6566 you're broke, get your funds up. For most adults $100 isn't that much.
@paulfitzpatrick6566
4 ай бұрын
@@PureColumbianCocainum1949 it is on a game. No adult would spend that much on a game, only a fool.
@user-cg7tn2gs5d
4 ай бұрын
Plus you get an awful game with boring maps, with barely any city to them, and just full of boring roads.
Solar crown is the only game i am excited for, i grew up with test drive played it with my friends back in the day all day long cruising around together, now we wait for this masterpeace, cant wait.
@AKKGAMINGz
8 ай бұрын
Me too, I’m so excited
@TheSilviaGuy
8 ай бұрын
Same here :)
@Spartanslegend
8 ай бұрын
Same so many hours in tdu and tdu2
@hero6405
8 ай бұрын
Nah the game will turn into a disaster.
There's reports of Wreckfest 2 coming up quite soon (according to leaked Xbox document as Gamepass entry), but given situation with Embracer... it can be very uncertain on what's to come.
@Alee_1864
8 ай бұрын
oh man i hoping so much on a new wreckfest
@clutch44444
8 ай бұрын
It was also leaked in their financial reports for 2024 fiscal year
@TheSilviaGuy
8 ай бұрын
And I am still waiting for Blur 2 and Spilt Second 2 😂
I'm very hyped for Nightrunners. I think I'm the rare guy who preffers running in tokio highways as C1, Ooi and Wangan, instead of touges in mountains
@tylerevans1700
8 ай бұрын
I'm there with you homie 💜 ✌️
I sorta hope that after the awesome game that is Dead Space: Remake, I hope EA go back to the underground style of NFS with a remake or maybe pull a Need For Speed: Hot Pursuit Remastered and give us a remastered collection which includes Underground, all the way up to Undercover, maybe include the OG NFS games like those old Mega-drive Collection games we used to get back in the day
The real question is… when are we getting a new midnight club rockstar !!!
@effiespark3635
8 ай бұрын
Never lol
@wolfboy20
8 ай бұрын
Never 😐😐
I had no idea GTR revival was a thing. Project cars 2 is one of my favorite racing games ever. I’d love to see a video on it
@ahgksi
8 ай бұрын
You seriously have a membership lmao
@purwantiallan5089
8 ай бұрын
@@ahgksii also love Project CARS 2 man. It has been 6 years now.
@YoungDolan
8 ай бұрын
@@ahgksi what can I say. I love the pants man it’s cheap I don’t really care
I’ve been waiting for night runners for years bruh! I really hope it comes to console, I know it might not but I’m hoping it does!!
@MICHA3L216
8 ай бұрын
The demo won’t, but the full game will 👍🏽
@PretzelMuncher08
8 ай бұрын
@@MICHA3L216FR?
@TheSilviaGuy
8 ай бұрын
I will download it on PC but I hope it does come on the PS5 and Series X
I don't know if FH6 will be released in 2024, but either way I hope they keep all the good changes that they brought in the latest FH5 updates. Also, they should get rid of the Eliminator, in the FH5 rally expansion demonstrated that they can make interesting roads and maps if they're not focused in that shitty gamemode.
@ST-online
8 ай бұрын
Would usually have high hopes but won’t be surprised if it’s broken on launch
@DarkMochaGT
8 ай бұрын
Eliminator but you have to stay on the road would be cool. too bad forza players don't know how to break for a corner.
@Silver_Prussian
8 ай бұрын
Probably the end of 2024
@DomPeriod
8 ай бұрын
Forza Horizon hasn't been worth a damn since 3.
@EjectoSeatoCuhhh
8 ай бұрын
@@DarkMochaGTeliminator but as a rebirth style
We must support small developers, because with enough support it is possible that in the future those same "small developers" will make the best AAA games we have ever seen.
@TheSilviaGuy
8 ай бұрын
True take Nightrunners for example, pretty promising, enough support should bring the developers motivation to complete it and release it early
@H3XME
8 ай бұрын
Agreed, CarX Drift is the perfect example. I'd be happy paying for a battle pass or something like that. They don't push for updates on PC/Consoles because mobile games generate more cash through in-app purchases.. However, that game has such good physics and driveability I would love to see it grow. More maps, more cars, even though the car list is not bad at all. They need to work on the environmental graphics, but yeah all in all it's a good game imo. They should try a Fortnite business plan. Make it free to play, let people buy stuff in the shop. Cars, liveries, season passes etc.
Please do explain the Slightly Mad Situation and talk more about GTRevival. I really like the handling of PCARS 3 and I'm hoping GTRevival has a very well tuned gamepad handling along with a great simulator handling on wheel.
@gbalao8885
8 ай бұрын
PCARS 3's physics leaned more towards arcade and most "simulation" aspects were heavily toned down, mostly due to Codemasters touching the game's development. And apparently PCARS 3 eventually became the final game in the Project CARS series and a PCARS 4 won't be happening any time soon, if not, ever.
@Qimchiy
8 ай бұрын
@@gbalao8885 I know that. I played it and the only thing left from Project CARS 4 is a really nice game menu design reminiscent of DiRT3 done by the same person. I'm hoping whatever the physics model they're aiming for in GTRevival will feel very good for both wheel and gamepad. Like how Assetto Corsa plays great with a wheel and you can mod in scripts for gamepad handling with auto counter-steer and correction in the same game. Personally, I don't get why people go so hard on the simulation aspect of a game. If a game has simulator physics but essentially disables a few aspects like dynamic tyre pressure, temperature, wind, damage, and all the minor things that effect the car but would otherwise be perfectly accurate in an optimally tuned car in an optimum weather , it'll still handle like a simulator. For example, trail braking is possible in Project CARS 3, and it feels great on a gamepad.
I actually have hopes on Wreckreation. Racing games these days are dominated by simcade (even the fandom are fighting over details that they'd never noticed anyway), and if not, are usually arcade, but still in realism side, with car brands and stuff, or even festival like TC Motorfest, which makes the game looks tame, heh they even seems like trying to make it like Forza Horizon, which I feels like they lack music vibes or anything, but moving on).... The thing is, everyone have been playing safe, none trying to go out boundaries like Driver SF or Burnout. So seeing Wreckreation and Pacific Drive gives me a hope on variety
@markdebruyn1212
6 ай бұрын
I'm waiting for Wreckreation, as it does what i always liked about the Burnout games, ramming opponents of the road while evading traffic
If a new Need For Speed happens next we need to have more cars and implement the pursuit tech too
@Tomishyped
8 ай бұрын
Trust me they dont care about community feedback the least they can do is a reskin of unbound change the map a bit but call it a different city add the most cringy characters with a horrible story and dialogue and spend most of the budget on some celebrity that we never wanted and price it at $79.99 same as FIFA
@BlissifiedHH
8 ай бұрын
@@TomishypedThats just not fair nor accurate lol. They do care about the community feedback as we saw in the time frame before heat and Unbound, and as for a reskin. We havent had an NFS title that feels like a reskin in forever. Games are pricey yeah but thats both given inflation and EA has stupidly high prices for their titles, thats out of NFS' control though
@GoatedAtNFS
8 ай бұрын
their won’t be a new NFS until 2025.
@victormena1501
8 ай бұрын
@@GoatedAtNFSand forza horizon 6 until 2026
@GoatedAtNFS
8 ай бұрын
@@BlissifiedHHif they cared they’d deliver a generational game. hasn’t happened over a decade
The 3rd-person cameras look like they stay locked onto the car. KT Racing should make it so that the camera let the car turn first then the camera turn after.
@FintaPlays
8 ай бұрын
there are more cameras to choose from
Theo lets start building ur own car game (Budget starting from 2.5M+$) others will help u for sure
@BlackPanthaa
8 ай бұрын
Hahaha ffs
Night Runners looks just like Tokyo Extreme Racer... One of my favorite racing games/franchisees ever. The first game (to my knowledge) to bring full body kit customization. And the original was all JDM and maybe a Porsche.
@wieldylattice3015
8 ай бұрын
You must be talking about the 1999 Dreamcast game because I swear TXR 3 has a C5 Corvette
@tylerevans1700
8 ай бұрын
So excited for it as well! I had and played ter zero, never got to play the other ones. I really wanna go back and do so tho
@disturbedpyro4511
4 ай бұрын
That’s what I said!😂😂
Once beamNG supports multiplayer and add a few more features. It will be the best car sim.
@watersnortmoment3734
7 ай бұрын
Beam MP exists, it’s not perfect, but building shitboxes to rip around the nordschleife was some of the most fun I’ve had in a racing game in a long time.
Thank you for mentioning Nightrunners, I can't wait to see this spiritual successor of Shutokou Battle/TXR series.
I have always wanted Genki racing games, such as Kaido Battle, to revive someday. JDM Drift Master has literally listened to my prayers.
Love project cars, one and two, despite the fact that they were initially nightmares with a standard controller really looking forward to that GTRevival
I hope Forza Horizon 6 comes out next year... also hope TDU SC doesn't get delayed another 2nd time in a row. TDU SC is the hardest game to wait for so far, and I just can't afford to wait an extra year again for it, cuz obviously, that would hurt...
If CarX Street doesn't come out on 2024, it's never coming. Also, nope, games as services are BAD for the racing genre specifically and that's exactly what's destroying it.
Imagine if Forza and gran tourismo got together and made an open world game to where the ultimate goal was to win the world cup or a world championship in every car type and you could travel to different maps via plane or ferry or train 😮
I fucking love the aesthetic of Night-Runners, I've been following the development off and on for a while now and I'm all for it. Solar Crown is one I've been waiting for and a type of game that I've been missing for years now. Thanks for putting JDM on my radar, I can really see that becoming a chill game for me, and Pacific Drive looks interesting, might have to check that one out too. I love indie developers because they come up with some crazy ideas you'd never see a AAA developer attempt
Ea should have let ghost develop nfs
Make a plane vs cars in gta online, it would end well.
Well, I, for myself, know for a 100 percent that I will play NFS 2015 in 2024.
My question is, when will motorfest fix some much needed things like being able to actually paint wheels and various small quality of life changes?
@nonyabizz3533
8 ай бұрын
Motorfest is trash. Don't know how anyone like that game. Graphics are horrible.
@savnoorsamra3597
8 ай бұрын
Graphics don't make a game good or bad@@nonyabizz3533
@kye3398
8 ай бұрын
@@nonyabizz3533no they aren't 💀
@nonyabizz3533
8 ай бұрын
@@kye3398 Yes they are. Motorsport has gotten to be amazing. Had some troubles but I'm having amazing races lately. Motorfest is trash. Horrible game.
@klemenvezonik7178
8 ай бұрын
@@nonyabizz3533Reviews for Motorfest arent that bad you know. Therefore people mostly like it. But you do you
I've always wondered why Need For Speed never has the number of cars like Forza, Gran Turismo, or The Crew series does.🤷🏽♂️
@Scherminator9999
8 ай бұрын
because its completely unnecessary
@jonathanjones408
8 ай бұрын
@Scherminator9999 Well, NFS No Limits has a lot of cars for a mobile game.🤷🏽♂️
The only way new games will be made, is if the older games of the same type/style are played more and populated more.
Test drive looks really good. Pacific drive looks cool. Always love forza horizon. Will be passing on gta vi though
Wreckreation is trackmania with destruction 💀
@johnstevensjr9185
8 ай бұрын
yup, it will nobody play this Wreckreation.
I really really hope the nfs franchise turns into something gta like where the studio takes its time to make the next game as polished as possible before releasing it (so we don't another 'wasted potential' kind of game like the last ones were) and to keep updating the current game with monthly expansions and events ... etc maybe even add sequels to the story. There is a lot to do with unbound and they can use their time to focus on making the next nfs game as good as the community expects (at least 80 percent as good as we want a nfs game to be). They should also listen more to the community.
Out of those that I personally would be interested in are Forza Horizon 6, GTR Revival, Test Drive Solar Crown and GTA 6.
wreckfest 2 is also rumored, they are hiring now, so it is a "maybe 2024"
So I think we are all in agreement that we would rather play a game with less content (less cars, smaller map, less tracks) that is however a very high quality product specialised on a certain part of car culture I got tagged by Theo I think I wet my pants
@AKKGAMINGz
8 ай бұрын
Hopefully TDUSC Can provide with that If not better
@BlackPanthaa I just want the famous Japan touge mountain runs, the infamous Daikoku/garage meets, and the highways all in PSVR2 😭 gt7 is great but it just doesn’t quite do it for me.. have a XBoxSX too but still saving up for pc, can’t wait for it to change my life 😂
Night Runners is the one for me. It’s not exactly it but it’s 80-85% of what I want in a racing game. Gives me Midnight Club vibes
@Chris-lp5gl
8 ай бұрын
Tokyo xtreme racer (US)
Honestly, who gives a crap about another FH when the OG, the legend, comes back once we FINALLY GET TDU BACK. TDU1 is STILL my favourite open world racing game of all times and it's 17 years old! I honestly can't wait!
@benn8793
8 ай бұрын
I hope they don't copy too much from Horizon and stick to the roots of the series. Then it will be good.
@tastefullynerdy1161
8 ай бұрын
@@benn8793 yeah. I mean it'd be weird if they copied a lot from FH considering how much FH1&2 copied from TDU1&2 and Need For Speed ProStreet
Great video. I agree with your closing remark however - I already have more driving games than I have time to play... so let's make the most of what we have. 👍
love watching your vids man
need for speed most wanted remake will coming 2025?
you forgot my winter car, a sequel to my summer car
Most anticipated racing game for 2024: GTA 6
Watching this makes me wish split/second was still a thing 😞
Never got to play the OG test drive games. Really excited to play this one!
Where can I get a Krusty the Clown wig like yours? Is it in your otherwise pointless merch store?
ima be real I do not believe FH6 will come in 2024, it could possibly be annouced in 2024 but I don’t think it will be released in 2024 I see that being a game released more likely in 2025 / 2026 espically with Xbox / Microsoft new terms for their triple A studios & devs (games must having 4-5 years of development before release)
I think FH6 will not be released before 2025. But i hope this time there will be more Streetracing and less Rally/Offroad. Japan with Tuning-Culture and Drift eould be nice!
@forzajedi6490
8 ай бұрын
I would personally like to see more types of events in fh6. Like rallycross, time attack tournaments, drift battles and even something similar to the nfs unbound takeover events. I feel like they have to refresh the activities a little bit
Test Drive Unlimited Solar Crown looks to be one of the best racing games out there. The map looks good, tho i hope they add some good "nature" areas, like mountains, forests and just flat fields to cruise around in other than the main city; the vehicle functions, such as turn signals and convertible roofs are a GIFT FROM THE GODS (I love little details like these, really adds to the immersion) and the graphics also look great (not exactly up with The Crew Motorfest or FH5 but still) and the vehicle slection also looks promicing. One thing that I really hope they add is aftermarket cuztomization (along with the TC1 and 2 factory options) for car meets and just making each car your own.
@Great-Documentaries
7 ай бұрын
Test Drive Unlimited SC looks like an early alpha version of Forza Horizon. They better up their game dramatically in the graphics department or they'll be laughed off the starting line.
Need for speed most eanted is getting a 2024 reboot. Will definitely be the best racing of 2024 if they stay true to the spirit of NFSMW
@alierenince01
8 ай бұрын
i hope bro i miss nfsmw 2005
"Like Need For Speed Underground 2" *ME RAISES EYEBROW*
Some infomation about GTRevival that's wrong here. It's not by Slightly Mad Studios, it's by a new studio founded by Ian Bell after he left Codemasters/SMS/EA called Straight4. The game has a publishing deal with PLAION (prev known as KOCH Media), and the deal is for a release on PC, PS5 and Xbox. There's a new custom engine responsible for car handling and whatnot, but the visuals are being rendered using Unreal Engine. The game will also be experimenting with dynamically generated AI voice lines for racing commentators and racing engineers, which could be pretty cool. But there is also a chance they might experiment with NFTs.
They should bring back Motor Storm and Pacic Rift And add to game libraries the originals for ps5 stream..
Night runners reminds me of Tokyo Racer Zero for ps2 back in the early 2000's. Loved that game.
I'd like to Commed you on Great content and Showing the Creators of Smaller Car games 🎉😮😅❤Happy New Year to you Panther🎉
Midnight Club still cancelled soz
You can connect your PS5 or PS4 controller to your phone and play CARX Street that way, ive been doing it and it works amazingly for the most part.
Great stuff!!! Can't wait!! Talk about some of these individually!!
Pacific Drive huh! Theo will play any game as long as it is car related, & it's a horror game too!
I am excited for TDU and Ill probably get around to FH6, I also hope JDM gets a console release🤞 Also NIGHTRUNNERS BETTER GET A CONSOLE VERSION SOMETIMES OR I MIGHT HAVE TO BUY A PC AGAIN
Someone pick up the glove and make a petition to pressure Rockstar Games into developing a new Midnight Club game!!
F1 24 and F1 Manager 24 should be part of definite releases for 2024.
@watersnortmoment3734
7 ай бұрын
F1 24 isn’t exciting. We all know it’s going to be F1 23 with minor tweaks to handling and career mode.
2:18 bUiLt fRoM thE gRoUnD uP!
Carx street and racing master are the only racing games I play on my phone tbf I've tried a few but them two in particular feel like massive throw backs to midnight club, older nfs titles with alot of aspects and both are great bases for they have built if they come to console and pc and optimization is improved on I reckon they will probably end up creating alot of competition for newer titles of forza and nfs imo as atm they really do seem to be just putting in the bare minimum atm with alot of games
FH4 and FHorizon 5 had *huge sound problems*, especially for Realtek chipset users. Hope FH6 will FINALLY fix this.
I am no longer excited for FH6 since the release of FH5 was strong but it didn’t hold out for long.
I hope a company would make a new burnout game or even just do a remake of burnout revenge
Dont forget wangan midnight maximum tune 6 rr+ too🗿☕
That Wreckreation looks a bit like some of the stuff players build in GTA Online for racing. That's not to denigrate it just an observation.
I was just sitting and just like "please mention japanese drift master" and you did!! My most anticipated game of the next year
please make a video about GTR Revival. I had no idea about it, is it a continuation from the GTR2 game? I used to play the heck out of it back in the day and until this day it has features that other games today don't
I think it's something my brother needs to hear while in his current marriage situation. Kinda tired of him calling his wife foul names whenever he hears a mention about her
Remember to Support small Developer's and our Racing games will Rock n Roll one day,Open World is the way to go guys❤🎉🙏👍
Theo we might be getting a NFS most wanted 2005 remake next year.
Night runners can take my money
Test Drive Solar Crown looks amazing. Since some other game havent received much JDM love. I hope that game does. Toyota, Subaru, Honda, Mitsubishi, you name it.
I'm looking forward to all of the ones that aren't games as a service with always-online DRM, so probably nothing AAA but I'll definitely give those indie Japanese games a try.
EA should give carbon a part 2 or a remaster
hy, I hope that there will be less emphasis on open world, because the players are really bland in open worlds, but i know that it will only remain a dream.
I will bring up Aero GPX, it's not your wheely wheely vroom vroom game, it's a spiritual successor to f-zero X from the Brazilian legend who made spiritual successors to the early 3d sonic games. if anyone has been drawn into fzero 99, or remembers games like that - keep an eye out for that, and ballistic NG, pacer and redout 2 are still ones to try in the mean time.
Hopefully get new wreckfest 2 next year
if you are interested in GTA racing you should check out a RP server. Racing can be great if you find the right server. A buddy and i found one and it was a fairly new server and no real race scene. one group started hosting races but there were no official checkpoints this meant everyone had to actually learn the tracks. track layouts were posted on Discord and the racers would run the track alone or with friends over and over memorizing the tracks and finding the best lines to bring to the races. made for a very fun and competitive races.
the next NFS should be NFS underground 3 Because they can do a lot with that you know Use the game that started it all
Japanese Drift Master looks like Initial D Arcade Stage
You forgot le mans ultimate
I know a guy who works at EA. The 2024 NFS has been cancelled! :(
Horizon 6. We want Japan, I predict....Germany. Bring on ze autobahn!
About potential FH6: considering the debacle of "built from the ground up" of Forza Motorsport and how it has become a meme from how much of a marketing ploy it actually was, they're better off keeping the current engine and improving it. At least they won't make fool of themselves that way.
Whats the most realistic/Roleplaying like real life car game now?
Night Runners reminds me of Tokyo Extreme Racer. That game was amazing
Night Runners is the only release I really care about. Pacific drive looks cool though!
I hope Wreckreation is actually good. We need more Rally!!!
Mobile most anticipated racing games: - NFS mobile - Racing Master - and some indie racing games that are replica of some other console)PC racing games on phones. But also some other existing racing games are coming to shutdown and being forgotten!