Loved the little John the Fearless Celt Paladin sighting, tickling us that Celts might be an honorable mention but then going to Persians 🤣

@7636kei

6 күн бұрын

He better invest into some galvanised square steel, eco-friendly wood veneer, and screws from his aunt to expand his realm (or, rather, demolish his enemies' realm-construct some rams with them!) :P

@benedictjajo

6 күн бұрын

What?

@mazdrpan4099

5 күн бұрын

@@benedictjajo celt eat tc

As opening leaked, The top number zero paladin is celt paladin without being said

Would have put the Huns in honorable mention as well, since they have generic paladins but faster working stables from the get-go.

@PrasenjeetKumarAuthor

5 күн бұрын

Being a Hun fan, I thought the exact same thing.

@fulla6967

13 сағат бұрын

@@PrasenjeetKumarAuthor Ditto

Loving the spirit of the law style vids, keep em coming

Teutons also resist conversion which is quite strong as a extra bonus for their knights line and paladins

@dr_fleischmann8133

6 күн бұрын

I expected that to be even more of an argument than +2 armor, seeing how Monks are shaping the Meta

@Monkers18

6 күн бұрын

But they also walk like a tortoise.

@ZEZLOTGAMING

5 күн бұрын

@@dr_fleischmann8133 me to :)

@CrnaStrela

4 күн бұрын

​@@dr_fleischmann8133well when paladin is out, monks aren't really doing much anymore. It is the matter of 15 something monks trying to convert 40 something paladins. Unless you have AI Micro, those monks would probably just get 3 or so conversion before getting slaughtered. Monks are still threatening during late game not for the ability to convert your cavalries, but for their abilities to convert your precious siege and turn them against you. Therefore monks with no blockprinting and redemption is basically useless late game.

8:52 how is it possible to put down these farms so perfectly!?😱

@lolwhale6283

6 күн бұрын

It’s a classic windmill pattern with fake farmland added to the corners, also there are 4 vills taking berries which really messed up my brain 😂

@cabbagedestroyer1693

6 күн бұрын

If you play as Poland then it's possible because their windmill is 3x3 instead of 2x2

no word about teutons conversion resistance???

@7636kei

6 күн бұрын

I assume Hera's discussing paladins during the late game, where monk tends not to be as big an issue?

@sumyshaman8210

5 күн бұрын

Every kid knew it 😅😅😅

Spirit of Hera, good vid !

@tomasznych9002

6 күн бұрын

I prefer Hera of the Law 😀

Nice list as always! Also feel like the conversion resistance for Teutons is key especially in 1v1 games and castle age.

teuton cavalry is a real powerhouse in thyre gameplan, the stage of the game they struggle the most is early castle age but with x-bow opening u can overcome that weakness, due to the great eco u get a nice imp timing and the perfect setup for the paladin play, when u force the fights with forward castles the mobility doesent matter anymore and u just shred the opponent

Savar is better than paladin plus cheaper to upgrade, and gets up to 8 Pierce armor which is huge

@newname4941

5 күн бұрын

Loses 1v1 against a generic Paladin

@ns-islandsroblox

5 күн бұрын

Doesn't matter, cheaper upgrade is way more important imo ​@@newname4941

@windwindy5356

5 күн бұрын

They don't lose to generic paladins, they have faster attack speed that guarantees they will beat generic paladin in 1v1.

@CrnaStrela

4 күн бұрын

​@@windwindy5356it's not actually that much faster, they can't beat generic paladin 1v1.

@Progeusz-

4 күн бұрын

@@newname4941 utterly irrelevant when you fight enemy palandins while under fire from backline units, Savar will last longer and win decisively.

Solid list

Don't forget the conversion resistance for the Teutons. It's huge.

Just beat hardest difficulty for the first time. Champions and paladins baby

3:50 Vipers camera beneath that #3 - coincidence? 🤭

hey hera, newspaper here but please tell me what do you think about this and maybe you can make a video taking all things into account. would be nice to get a pro opinoin and insight. so, your video is top 5 paladin civs, but no matter how i quantify it and calculate it i can't see weak paladins "even if discounted and all of that" beating good cavaliers. not even the pierce armor can offset the difference sometimes. so i took my favorite cavalier civ "mallians" and the best paladin civ "franks" and took a simple calculation of the gold difference to add cavaliers for mallians. so things to take into account are 1- mallians pay for farimbha, but don't pay for blast furnace which should be substracted from farimbha 2- mallians get 10% extra gold 3- franks don't pay for bloodlines. but ofc they pay for paladin upgrade. 4- cavalier higher attack speed should be considered in the final results. those are the 3 key factors, i did not take "all the gold spent throughout the game" into account , which would offset the scale in favor of mallians EVEN more. "lets see the crucial upgrades for both civs are gonna cost you a few thousends for example, mallians will still have 10% bonus gold on top of that" so, my point is, i took the best possible scenario for franks and even in the best possible scenario for franks , every 61 frank paladins will be faced with same number of mallian cavaliers + 12-14 so in other words 61 frank paladins, will be faced with about 73-74 mallian cavalier. ofc as i mentioned above mallians will have even more gold difference than this simple calculation but i am not taking that into account so this is tipped towards franks favor. a simple face off between 61 frank paladins and 74 mallian cavliers, mallian cavliers EASILY win. in most scenarios i had 24-30 cavaliers alive with about 60-80% total health remaining. ofc franks especially as well as persians are gonna be better VS archers probably but i doubt it's gonna be a huge difference for franks. that means, if even the best 2 paladins are so inferior in melee combat against mallians. it makes me think that burgundian paladins "for example" don't even stand a chance , and i did test that and they actually don't although they performed better than franks since they had better numbers. ofc since burgundians get that discount, i reduced the number of mallian cavaliers by 6-8 but they would still be 60 burgundians vs 66-68 mallians. anyway i would say burgundian cavaliers being higher in number also makes them very strong vs pierce so there is that. i did try berbers and ofc they performed even better and so will poles "although poles pierce armor weakness does change the functionality of cavaliers completey"

Jokes on you. I never have enough resources to get the Paladin tech after chivalry when hitting imp with franks.

I think this analasys are correct and I wish the devs do the same to Teutos as they did to Persians, a exclusive imperial knight line with similar stats

Spirit of the Hera

Hello Hera, thanks for all your great content. I was watching your new video of the recorded game of the 1k elo guy where he played mamelukes. You commented about the blacksmith upgrades and i noticed i was not sure what upgrades are needed myself. Usually most upgrades are kinda clear, but some are not. For example HC and a lot UU i am not to sure about too. Maybe you could do a video about the not so intuitive unit upgrades?

@teddyhaines6613

6 күн бұрын

There's an Age of Empires 2 wiki you can consult that will explain the applicable upgrades for each unit on their respective pages.

@Simon-jl7ih

6 күн бұрын

Yeah I kinda know most of these pages and I am able to use Google too, but we have so many civs now it is sometimes hard to remember everything. I play maybe 2 or 3 games a week and have no problem with going random, but there are still civs i have barely played yet. A quick heads up from a pro which units fall out of the obvious pattern would personally help me more than just study every unit in detail. Same with counter units, some UU counters are not very obvious. Thanks for the tip anyways 😊

@Simon-jl7ih

6 күн бұрын

For example Rathas, Axemen, Chakrams, Ballista Elephants, War Wagons, Organ Guns, Conqs and Janis are just not completely intuitive 🙈

@theconqueror7533

6 күн бұрын

@@Simon-jl7ih, Hera already for all the unique units currently in the game, and what upgrades them kzread.info/dash/bejne/fm1rpJaYota2h7A.html

Celts had better be on here! I just won a tournament game with them (against byz catas) so they are clearly very important. 😊

I'm sorry to say but, Hera should have given the honours making this video to Spirit of the law.

Btw I remember Teuton have conversion resist

Hera can u also do a top 5 CA review

@ns-islandsroblox

4 күн бұрын

THIS

what about malians with +5 chavalry attack? georgians with health regen chavalry? sicilians with military units that take -33% less damage? bulgarians chavalry that attack 33% faster?

@88porpoise

6 күн бұрын

Those all would be pretty good if they existed.

@nicolasspray

5 күн бұрын

@@88porpoise not my fault u don't read their abilities

@88porpoise

5 күн бұрын

@@nicolasspray Those are definitely the civs bonuses. The problem is the Paladin part.

@bassegoder

4 күн бұрын

​@@88porpoisebro they affect a fully upgraded paladin, including techs, Unique techs and civ bonuses. Are you having a brain seizure?

@Progeusz-

4 күн бұрын

@@bassegoder These civs don't have Paladin. Stop being so angry and educate yourself.

Hera's fav pala will always be Celt pala Don't forget your roots Hera

@dannyv.8545

Күн бұрын

:D

Byzantine number 1 surely!

Celts number 1 lets goooo

You forgot the best Paladin in the game: The Celts!

While I know this is a UU, I wonder if the Slavs boyar's can count as paladins in the same vein as the Persians sevars? While they are slower and need to be produced from castles, they decisively defeat every paladin in aoe2 to my knowledge. I'm not sure if a 4 relic Lithuanian paladin can still defeat them though.

What is the Unit i can invest the most res into? The Konnik? The Konnik is a pretty strong unit with all techs, right?

@Crawsack

6 күн бұрын

Mangudai are the most expensive unit to fully upgrade I believe. Although Ratha are up there too.

@teddyhaines6613

6 күн бұрын

@@Crawsack I think Magyar Heavy Cav Archers edge out Elite Mangudai, actually. Recurve Bow and HCA together are more expensive than the elite upgrade, and Magyars get the last archer armor unlike Mongols.

Me waiting for the celt paladin sequel : the byzantine paladin rush

I think I'll pick Magyars over Cumans due to the resource saving from free attack upgrades.

@teddyhaines6613

6 күн бұрын

Still, you're also trading a civ with maybe the most busted eco in the game for one with no eco bonus.

teutons being resistant to conversions and beating the top 2 palas 1v1(tied with 4 relics, otherwise the extra armor outmatches the attack buff) The extra armor is no joke, evenn teuton scouts can beat some hussars

Stables work 20% faster or is it 40% faster?

Paladin vs paladin teuton 1º paladin vs other units , have sicilian or frances.

9:25 Well... Historically speaking, they were the ONLY ones having Paladins! 11 xD Because the Paladins were basically royals that were only under the king and there were never more than 7 of them at the same time. So... Habing 30 or 40 Paladins on the field kin f od makes no sense. In that way the Savar is also historically more accurate.

who has the best archer? Not xbows or arbs, but the best early game archer?

@ns-islandsroblox

4 күн бұрын

Probably Ethiopians or Vietnamese, or koreans because free armor

Savar is the best paladin 😂😂😂😂

Do a best unique cav unit pls 🤣

All well and good. But a paladin that never reaches the battle because you’re house capped is a useless paladin - I’ll go with Huns :D

i mean you missed dravidians but ok, i think invisible paladins are OP

Celts need to be #1 because of the suprise factor...

@dannyv.8545

Күн бұрын

LOL

Who could possibly have seen that civ take #1? 😂

i got scammed kapa- oh nevermind it was an honorable mention 11

gg

i expected aztecs at #1

Cumans, Huns, Lithuanians, Teutons, Franks ? Let's see how i did

@PrasenjeetKumarAuthor

5 күн бұрын

He chose Burgundians instead of Huns. :(

Chivalry might be overrated. For the research time on Paladin, if we assume you have the res to click both techs at once (assuming Conscription is already in), it saves just over 27 seconds. If you can't afford that and only tech Paladin after Chivalry comes in, it only saves 6.5 seconds, so realistically you should expect to save anywhere between those numbers. Enough to be important if your opponent is clicking Paladin at the same time or if it gets you there before they finish prepping Halbs, but it's a smaller window than you might expect from +40% speed, especially given the fairly high cost. Paladin in 1v1s tends to be a very timing-dependent play due to the limited windows before Halbs become a problem and gold runs dry, so the faster research is probably much more valuable in your hands than mine. For cav production, let's assume you have 10 stables - fairly reasonable number for late game production. Chivalry gives an equivalent increase in production speed to adding 4 stables. You can add four stables in less time than the tech takes to research for 700 wood, whereas Chivalry costs 600 wood and 500 gold. If getting the tech in early imp, you'll probably have fewer than ten stables, and just adding more stables instead is just unambiguously cheaper at 9 or fewer. The value of Chivalry does rise with more stables, but by the time you're producing from more than that gold is probably becoming a sparse resource whereas wood is plentiful. Its value also goes up when you're too cramped for space to comfortably add more stables. I'm not saying it isn't worth or that it's a bad tech, but I think it merits situational consideration rather than being something you always want when using lots of cav in your late-game Frank composition. What do you think?

@teddyhaines6613

6 күн бұрын

It's less about it being overrated and more that moving it from castle age to Imp nerfed it into the ground. Used to be you could get it on the way to Imp (cheaper than it is now too) and then use the faster stable work time to click cavalier and then paladin and have them come in at Burgundians-esque speed.

@dannyv.8545

Күн бұрын

Agreed. Franks have good eco (those annoying berries disappear faster) and free mill upgrades. Cheaper castle. That makes Franks good. Not Chivalry (in congested maps maybe helpful) Franks weakness is in Archer range (hurts their HC). Also Throwing Axemen and HC are countered by same unit comp (Archer/Skirm)

5:30 why put 4 relics and only 3 monks 😂?

Doesnt Teuton Paladin win against frank Paladin one on one?

@oneutch4048

2 күн бұрын

Franks will never let you get to paladin

Nice video thanks! A word on Teutons that I don't think you mentioned is their resistance to monks. That being said, I don't think they should get higher than 3rd. Also, Liths were arguably top spot back when they had blast furnace

@ThatDanmGuy

6 күн бұрын

Teuton conversion resistance IS huge, but moreso in Castle Age and early Imp before army masses get large. Unless you're an AI it becomes infeasable to micro monks (even when you mass the monks) against a large mass of units, and Paladin tends to come in later in Imp when you'll expect to be fielding masses of 15-40 Paladins.

You talk like my dad when you explain something😅😅😅

First!

Franks?

Where Byzantine Paladin

cumans no have husbandry. they are slower than almost all paladins in the castle-imperial eras

@teddyhaines6613

5 күн бұрын

That's cancelled out by their civ bonus making cavalry move 10% faster in castle age (same as husbandry) and 15% faster in imp.

Frank cavarly is created 40% faster

Second!

Burgundians #4?!? Is a meme, right?

savar broken

GOOD GAME

Surely number 1 is Burgundians if we talk 1v1

@ns-islandsroblox

6 күн бұрын

I agree

@kremepye3613

2 күн бұрын

Whys that?

Wtf no Hun?

Well do we really need paladins on 1 vs 1 ?

teuton paladins are mega slow tho

If Paladins are popular and Teutons have great Paladins, why doesn't any pro ever pick them?

@dannyv.8545

Күн бұрын

Because that's all they have. Tectonic knights are too slow. No Light Cav/Hussar. Plus no Gold shaft mining. Also too predictable. Cheaper farms doesn't make up for these issues Burgundians have that Cavilier one age earlier and also the mining upgrade (also at discount), UT which gives them free gold while collecting food. 50% Stable unit discount. Imagine how viable Burgundian Paladins are . Great gunpowder units and good units in general. Much better civ that Teutons even thou their Paladins aren't that strong