The Apostles said "Lord, teach us to pray." I say "Lord, teach us Dupre."

I can't wait to hear this organ live and hopefully meet Dr. Filsell as it really sounds magnificent, BRAVO to Dobson.

Dupre was considered the "Paganini of the Organ" by many contemporary musicians, due to his incredible technique. In fact, even Widor, a great organist in his own right, and a tutor to Dupre, considered at least some of Dupre's music as unplayable due to it's monstrous difficulty.

@originaltommy

Жыл бұрын

True, indeed. If I'm not mistaken, there was a delay in publishing Op. 7 due to concerns no one would buy it or play it.

Dupré was genius. He, by the way, played the entire oeuvre by Bach and also did so in a series of several concerts playing all pieces just by memory.

@scronx

Жыл бұрын

That he was a genius is never in doubt.

McNeil Robinson was the great master teacher who did make playing Dupré a fearless proposition! After studying Dupre with Robinson, it certainly was playable with great relaxation and natural technical output.

@michaelberg9656

5 ай бұрын

Then I hope you will put up some videos of your performance of the impossible pieces!😁😁😁😁

Jeremy is JUST frigg'n awesome... weather playing Rachmaninoff on the piano... OR Dupre on the organ... he makes everything sound beautiful...

I was part of building that new organ. Funny how back in the 80s I lived in the building on Broadway and Houston st that the original St Thomas occupied and was demolished to build, my loft on the 7th floor corner was about where the top of the steeple once was.

See, now this just makes me want to learn these pieces!

@organboi

Жыл бұрын

It makes me never want to bother. I don't think it's worth the work.

These are reasons TO play dupre

For those who have had a "tortured" experience playing Dupre, I would both agree and disagree. If my quotation marks indicate a kind of word play, it is partly because of fun we have preparing something nobody else has any joy to listen to. Much of Dupre is hellacious. My first was the Prelude and Fugue in B-Major, and my last was the Cortege, but just the first part. When I started the second part I stopped and said "no" because I knew I was never going to program it and the effort to polish it could go to better to use on something more attractive to the ear, as opposed say, to the mind. That is the problem, the trouble is very high, a middling reward in its own thing, but it is all for organists only, no wonder about it out on the street. Most of us do not much, and nobody else enjoys hearing any of it. For our dear parishioners, one ding on the chimes is worth, say, ten Bach fugues. The Reubke is more fun and hardly anyone likes it as much as I did.

1000 reasons TO PLAY Dupré !

The compositions listed here would be considered "easy" Dupre. For the REALLY hard stuff, try his Evocation suite, his Symphonie Passion and in particular, his Trois Esquisses which he wrote for his star pupil, Jeanne Demessieux. The Esquisses, especially the third in B flat minor, are so ferociously difficult they're playable only by a handful of organists worldwide. Even his early compositions were incredibly tough. His three preludes and fugues, written in the early 1900's, were as noted below, declared as unplayable by no less a figure than Charles Marie Widor himself. Here's the Esquisses: kzread.info/dash/bejne/rG11z7mCadHbiag.html&ab_channel=DiscordBaroqueSociety

@organboi

Жыл бұрын

The Passion Symphony isn't extremely difficult.

Wanna play Dupre? Do pray. (and rehearse).

My favorite Dupré is Symphony in G Minor, the only symphony I've ever owned a score of.

I’ll add a reason. It’s because most are not educated enough.

Lots of interesting - and logical - posts here. Better we focus upon his great abilities as an organist, not just a composer. Whilst the technique was unsurpassed in substance, more substantial was his "musicality" during performances. Nothing can compare to his performances in this very room 66 years ago (on the iconic instrument, which was completely removed from service - not that is was even close in its last days, to what it was then). I still insist that his Triptyque, Op. 51 - performed, and recorded at St. Thomas [and written for the Ford Auditorium dedication in Detroit] - is perhaps his best work in displaying colors of organ tone. In reading Bill Self's book, what I had taken away is that Bonnet was more amiable and approachable, than was Dupre. Ironically, a number of large-scale French organ compositions, were dedicated to Bonnet, including a Vierne symphony, and several of Tournemire's L'Orgue Mystique suites.

Sounds pretty good to me! But must be nightmarish to play!

Dupré music is HARD! and he had big hands :-(

@rbaltimo

3 жыл бұрын

Similar to Rachmaninoff

@gregsolovieff6711

2 жыл бұрын

Dupre was a little man. I shook his hand after he gave a recital at St.Thomas in 1956, on what was then the “ new” Aeolian Skinner (8500 pipes, $100,000 in 1956 money). I was 8 years old. His hand was very soft & smooth, and his hair very white. Mercury records recorded much of what he played that night. The church was packed so we sat in the gallery ( no organ back there then). A magical moment!

Difficult? Pff... play Reger than we talk again about difficulty

@organboi

Жыл бұрын

Oh please. Dupre is MUCH more difficult than Reger. On the whole.

@EwicoCylinder

Жыл бұрын

@@organboi Maybe you never played Reger i don't know, but I got enough just by looking in a score from him. Maybe Dupre needs abit more practice (for example his Noel Variations) but with Reger you need more than 10 fingers and 2 feeds to play his pieces.

Because it sounds like music but isn't?

@lawrencemcbride9190

3 жыл бұрын

Zing!

@organboi

Жыл бұрын

Awful stupid thing to say.

I don't get it. This is just dumb. Hard pieces are never a reason to NEVER play any works of a particular composer. And why these three pieces? What about the B Major fugue?

Someone could just as well do a "Top 3 reasons to (not) play late Messiaen." I won't make suggestions for inclusion, but a few come to mind.

@ranthlee

3 жыл бұрын

For full disclosure, I've never played late Messiaen myself (though I have played early M), but from what I've heard, it's comparable to Dupré.

@jorgechtler778

3 жыл бұрын

"Livre d'orgue" from 1950 - at least "Les yeux dans les roues" is definitely the same level as Duprés hardest

@jonb6417

3 жыл бұрын

The difference being that once you've spent your time learning Dupre's exhilaratingly musical works they are uplifting to hear, whereas once you've wasted your time learning Messiaen's discordant unmusical crap, it's unpleasant to hear.

@organboi

Жыл бұрын

@@jorgechtler778 Not really. It just takes time. I have a performance on line. My KZread channel.

@organboi

Жыл бұрын

@@jonb6417 What an ass. Do you hear what you sound like? I can't even. Dissonance is a problem? You act like Messiaen just wrote any notes. There's all an order to all of it. He heard all of rhe music in his head before writing it down. And Dupre isn't dissonant. What a fool.

His good material is sometimes great, but then there's the other 99% of it. He could not leave well enuff alone harmonically and (like his contemporaries after about 1925) was constantly jockeying to show that organ composers could be as horrible as other moderns.

@Doeff8

3 жыл бұрын

Ate a sour dough bread with vinaigre on top of it?

@scronx

3 жыл бұрын

@@Doeff8 ROFL!!!

@Doeff8

3 жыл бұрын

@@larikipe940 your lack of taste is not our problem :-)

@Doeff8

3 жыл бұрын

@@larikipe940 which is not as bad as bad taste 😂

@Doeff8

3 жыл бұрын

@@larikipe940 I actually like your specific type of bad taste. Especially when it not only appears to regard your appetite for Dupre, but also your consistent need to correct me. Simply wonderful.

The hideous sound of these excerpts is reason enough not to play Dupre.

@robertbangkok

3 жыл бұрын

How far behind are your ears? 1/2 a century?

@HobbyOrganist

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed! I never like these more "modern" complex pieces by Dupre, Buxtehude and others.

@89ananan

3 жыл бұрын

@@HobbyOrganist Buxtehude is "modern"??? Please don't compare him to this noise lol

Reason Nr. 0 is that it's monstrous music that nobody wants to hear. Just because it's difficult and fast doesn't mean it's great.

@HobbyOrganist

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I really dislike this kind of music, and with all the stops on it just sounds like a whole lot of noise, fun for the sheer power but not pleasant music to listen to, give me music like these and I'm real happy; Very effective on the organ amazingly enough; kzread.info/dash/bejne/lKeXm9aef8urmtI.html&start_radio=1 kzread.info/dash/bejne/dqWLyLmAdKy9etI.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/g4SszbqGqqqdYbQ.html