You've been asking for a list of this subgenre, here it is! Hope you like it. The main question is, what makes an RTS? Typically, 'RTS' games have base-building and/or resource collection, so all these games don't focus on those. What do you think?

@Cenot4ph

9 ай бұрын

These games are all part of the RTS genre, it's fairly broad

@GamerZakh

9 ай бұрын

@@Cenot4ph Well it kind of boils down to this: if all RTT games are RTS games, why do we have an 'RTT' genre at all? Similarly, all RTS games are Strategy games, so should we not list RTS games and just list Strategy games? If the distinction doesn't matter, then that path leads to no genres existing at all because every genre is a subgenre.

@haazeMAX

9 ай бұрын

Hmm. I agree RTS is a subgenre of Strategy and RTT would be a subgenre of RTS. I think some of the genre naming issues comes from the conventional RTS so typically being a game where you harvest and mine, build buildings etc. So there is that expectation when you hear 'RTS', but really, IMO, there could be something called be 'RTS-classic' or 'RTS-conventional' which is a C&C like game and there could be 'RTS-based'. Or 'RTS-general', which would be the more open parent genre. Turn based versus real time is the big distinction for me anyway. TB is relaxed armchair general gaming maybe with a brew, realtime quickly becomes intense macro vs micro management, being several places on the map at once. It's a completely different mood I'm going to be in for choosing to play one or the other.

@GamerZakh

9 ай бұрын

@@haazeMAX Those are good names for clarity, but the main problem when it comes to coming up with better genre names is usage. No matter how good and sensible you name the genres, they don't work unless everyone knows about it and is on board with them. If I make a list for 'Conventional RTS', almost everyone would be confused and if I'm the only one calling those games that it'll never catch on. I've been trying to clarify 'simulation', 'simulator', and 'simulation game' for a decade and made no progress in getting people to agree haha

@haazeMAX

9 ай бұрын

@@GamerZakh hehe simulation, simulator, simulation game. Nice. Yes I realise those were not catchy names, I was just trying to be descriptive.. 🙂

I would say the difference between RTS without base building and real time tactics is that tactics needs an active pause. Without active pause you can't really carefully give different orders to different units, as situation will change faster than you give orders, so the only thing you can do is drag a selection box over all your units and right click a random enemy unit. And that's classic RTS gameplay with no tactics involved.

@Zen2k4r-

8 ай бұрын

Such games? Explain more

@HanakoSeishin

8 ай бұрын

@@Zen2k4r- I'm not sure I understand the question. You want me to list some examples of real time tactics with active pause? I would then name UFO: Aftermath and Shadow Tactics: Blade of the Shogun.

@Zen2k4r-

8 ай бұрын

@@HanakoSeishin I'm playing call to arms it's a great strategy game. But if you know any good strategy games that would require the use of the brain (most strategy games nowadays don't) then I'm interested

@HanakoSeishin

8 ай бұрын

@@Zen2k4r- I'm not into RTS really, as my brain doesn't work if the game isn't paused, so all I can say is that Shadow Tactics: Blade of the Shogun is inspired by an old game called Commandos, which is all the way from 1998, but there are more modern games inspired by it, a couple by the same developers as Shadow Tactics (and these are all considered pretty good), and more by other developers too (with varying degree of success), some different settings too (original Commandos was WW2, Shadow Tactics is feudal Japan, others by the same developers are wild west and ghost pirates, and outside of that I think there was even an old Star Trek one). Another brain heavy tactical game that just came to my mind is Frozen Synapse. It's a mix between real time and turn based, as each turn is several seconds of real time, where in the beginning of each turn you give commands to your units and then see how they execute them in real time, but you can't change anything until next turn, so you have to think these seconds through carefully (as you also don't know what enemy will be doing during them).

@Zen2k4r-

8 ай бұрын

@@HanakoSeishin Thanks mate

Thank you Zakh for your efforts to create this useful video.

@GamerZakh

9 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it!

Good list once again, thanks

Whoa 2024 looking like a heck of a year. In particular that Stone of Madness game looked really interesting. Glad I caught it here! Moonbraker looks amazing! Not the kind of thing I'd likely be playing, but something I'd be interested in spectating. Thanks for covering these Zakh!

@GamerZakh

6 ай бұрын

Thank you! There are a lot of great games on the way.

Thank you for the video! I've already tried Shadow Gambit demo and loving it so far. Also, Xenonauts 2 gives so many nostslgic vibes, so I will try it as soon as I am able to. If I am able to, I will look for Menzce too.

Thank you. I miss turn based games. I am glad they are still around.

I think this video was great! You have a great perspective, it's not just a list. You add a lot to this!

@GamerZakh

3 ай бұрын

Thank you! I'm glad you enjoy the approach.

Great video as always Zakh!

@GamerZakh

9 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Really excited for the Stargate one!

As a Battle Brothers player, I am SO hyped for Menace.

Zakh going on full throttle mode with these lists now, gotta love it 🤩

@GamerZakh

9 ай бұрын

I am going harder than ever this year. Planning at least 15 genres over the next 3 months.

@Plankton_GS44

9 ай бұрын

Holy moly 😯 This sounds like an absolute treat! Can't wait to see them posted and good luck on this endeavor@@GamerZakh

NEBULOUS also promises a full-on Conquest mode with a whole star system, resources and production.

Nebulous is fantastic. One side is a sleek, disciplined Navy, the other is just Spicy Amazon, with same-day delivery guarantees, but all the packages are bombs and they don't do returns.

Tankocracy - inspired by Desert Strike you say? Well, you have my attention! Played the strike games to death as a kid.

9 wasn't wishlisted yet, fixed ) thank you very match for the stores links!

@GamerZakh

9 ай бұрын

Glad you found some new ones!

8:23 "So you have tanks" swaps to a picture of some pigs in the back of a truck... Yeah that is a tank alright xD

Stargate: Timekeepers, The Stone of Madness are the games I'm looking forward to. I hope both games will be as good as Desperados 3 and Shadow Tactics by Mimimi who will be missed.

@mattmorehouse9685

7 ай бұрын

Have you played Shadow Gambit? I've just gotten another character and am really liking all the crazy supernatural powers they give you. For example there's John Hughes Mercury who can hide anywhere with one of his abilities and pop back up in a radius around his initial departure point. He can also kill an enemy and hide the body automatically. That and your enemies, the inquisition, have certain enemies who are linked so as long as one is alive they can resurrect the other. It's filled with neat ideas, and I hope future rtt games will take at least some inspiration. Mimimi will be missed indeed.

I think an oddball games list would be nice, for all of those that can't be easily categorized

@GamerZakh

9 ай бұрын

I think after all the genres I cover this year, I'll see which games are left over and see if there's anything connecting them. Otherwise that's a good idea, just a weird games list haha.

Knights Province Alpha 12, it is pretty solid. Came out a couple of days ago, give it a try too ;-)

Survive the fall sounds like my dream game!

26:00 Inkulinati looks a bit similar to Pentiment, no? 31:00 I am really excited about Moonbreaker painting digital minis :)

The stone of madness looks very interesting, compared to everything else

So in the first game, you play as the evil side.

Please no mix turn based with real time

23:00 Tactics with basebuilding sounds p neat

I feel like we are due for a Syndicate style RTT game. We haven't really had any that I am aware of since Satellite Reign... get on it devs!

I don't know if I would actually like Anvil Empires, probably not a game for me, but it sounds like it could be interesting.

Mechabellum is indeed cool.

Really looking forward to Men of War 2

Not really a fan of RTS anymore. One Turn-Based game I've been waiting for is "Capes", which hopefully is the replacement for Freedom Force we've been waiting for. As much a Superheroes are on the big screen, it's criminal we don't have more represented in the Turn-Based genre

It,s so so good 😛💣💚

tactic games are always hit or miss for me... Love to see Stargate based game! I added few of them to watchlist and we will see. Thank you for the list, as always it was very easy to follow all the information

Men of War 2 actually let most of my friends and I down. It felt WAAAY more Arcadish than the last one

@GamerZakh

9 ай бұрын

That's likely why they delayed it. The hype is real for it, I got a lot of hate for not listing it in my RTS list, so if it doesn't live up to expectations then it's going to be messy.

@theshadesofreal9372

9 ай бұрын

@GamerZakh sorry you got hate for it Zack.

@varyagace

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, it was SO BAD in the first betas, and it really showed that it was just recycling their failed F2P grindfest of a previous game. That design of always online, 5v5 taking cues from MOBAs and WoT is terrible and not what the franchise is about at all. It makes me sad that both this and CoH3 were both so disappointing.

Zakh which RTS games do you plan on playing in coming weeks/months?

@GamerZakh

9 ай бұрын

RTS? I don't know about the coming weeks/months but Tempest Rising, Stormgate, and Homeworld 3 are all very interesting to me. Age of Mythology Remake whenever that shows up.

@zachbitango

9 ай бұрын

@@GamerZakh Sounds good, will have to try out the Tempest Rising Demo that is on steam, thanks for the reply :) Also great content as always man.

An addition to the list: Red Glare

armies of geinor will forever be the best turn based strategy game under archanist lol

Avorion is best space game there is in my personal opinion

Mechabellum

... I can assure you that my intelligence need not be tested. I'm a stable strategic genius.

@EnzoScavone

9 ай бұрын

... I mean, tactical...

What's up with that hunch backed soldiers in the first game.

The more rts games the better.

@mercster

9 ай бұрын

Turn based is better.

@SkyFly19853

9 ай бұрын

@@mercster How about both ?

@mercster

9 ай бұрын

@@SkyFly19853 👍 Sometimes I get annoyed when people call all strategy games "RTS"... RTS has become more popular than turn based over the years, so I was just being snarky. 😏

@SkyFly19853

9 ай бұрын

@@mercster To be honest, I support every type of genre for video games. If I played same genre over and ever again, I would be very very bored.

@mercster

9 ай бұрын

@@SkyFly19853 Yup same.

You can request a playtest of Anvil Empires. See if you get lucky.

@GamerZakh

3 ай бұрын

I have a million games to play, even if I got access I don't necessarily have the time to play it.

@ImpreccablePony

3 ай бұрын

@@GamerZakhOh sorry I meant for regular people. But gaining exclusive access for you to make a video would also be cool.

@GamerZakh

3 ай бұрын

@@ImpreccablePony Ah I see, well if my schedule frees up I might request. Just too many games releasing these days haha.

@ImpreccablePony

3 ай бұрын

@@GamerZakh Oh sure no worries. But this is from the guys who made Foxhole so it's not complete garbage. (I hope.)

As i person that mostly plays turn-bases tactics/strategy games i hated battle brothers. I like turn based where you move, atack and see the party member, not just icons who attack each other.

Do you know what is the release date of sea power naval combat in the missle age

Anvil Empires are very similar to Foxhole from my point of view :) just saying

You should feature Mount and Blade Bannerlord

@GamerZakh

7 ай бұрын

I did for years, why would you want a 2022 release in a list about 2024 upcoming games though?

@axelanders1011

7 ай бұрын

Fair enough but they fixed and improved many things until not that long ago, it still is a relevant strategy game regardless of the year @@GamerZakh

@GamerZakh

7 ай бұрын

@@axelanders1011 Sure but that's not what these lists are about unless it's of particular interest. Starcraft still gets updates and is relevant but I'm not going to list it as an upcoming RTS. If I talk about already released games, it's just going to keep promoting already popular games that everyone already knows about, which doesn't feel very useful.

Desparados 3 should have made the list.

@GamerZakh

6 ай бұрын

That released in 2020, why do you want a 4 year old game in an upcoming games list?

@chaunceystewart9960

6 ай бұрын

I misread the title. I didn't it was for new or upcoming tactic games. IMO Desperados 3 is one of the best tactic games made.

@GamerZakh

6 ай бұрын

@@chaunceystewart9960 Oh yeah for sure, I mentioned it in my 2019/2020 strategy list.

Pls add whats ur top picks in comments...

@GamerZakh

9 ай бұрын

I don't feel it's fair for me to say top picks for games I've never been able to play before.

@kabiebebe2332

9 ай бұрын

@@GamerZakh well i feel the same not try these games cus theres 100 games release this year 🤣🤣🤣 so these games will end up in steam limbo

@GamerZakh

9 ай бұрын

@kabiebebe2332 If I'm listing them, they're already better games than most haha. I list 26 games here, there are hundreds of tactics games in development. You can consider these lists are already my top picks.

No Jagged Alliance 3?

@GamerZakh

9 ай бұрын

That already released last July, not an upcoming game.

@mercster

9 ай бұрын

@@GamerZakh Ohhh... I didn't understand this was for unreleased games.

Tactical tactics games...Is there an untactical tactics game? :D

@GamerZakh

9 ай бұрын

You know, probably yeah haha

But I don't have any intelligence.

@GamerZakh

9 ай бұрын

Don't worry, RNG alone will get you through some tactics games.

@igorthelight

9 ай бұрын

You Intelligence is higher that 8, because you can speak and write! ;-)

Hey Zakh! You seem to have alot of knowledge of upcoming strategy/tactics games and I deeply appreciate that! I have a question: a hundred thousand players just lost their 2nd home, since our all beloved game "Guns Up" did shut down on 12/14/23. Throughout this game I met more than thousand players, from every part of the world, during the last 8 years... but now we all have lost our microcosm, our "Guniverse" as I always called it. So, my question is: Do you know if there will come some similar title, or any other alliance based rts title on Playstation?? I really hope you will research this, because a hundred thousand players lost their home and that is not exaggerated. Thanks and hope to read from you soon!

Bruh how did you miss Manor Lords...

@GamerZakh

8 ай бұрын

It's not a tactics game is how.

@WolverineMKD

8 ай бұрын

@@GamerZakh ah i see sry

Everything about that Survive the Fall looks like a mobile game, and that's really bad.

are u time traveller from 2024

@GamerZakh

8 ай бұрын

I'm a time traveller from 1989, every year I travel 1 year into the future.

The stone of madness ..Is this a warning for millennials and gen X😂 Inkulinati ..so someone finally turned the weird medieval art into a game

medieval foxhole? hmmmm

i love you your pies ⚪🖤💫⭐🌟🌠🌌

I have zero respect for any game/game developer that alienates a huge sector of the gaming community: Mac users. And several of these games do that. Not sure what devs are thinking by doing this. Oh well, their loss - Mac users have plenty of other game options.

@GamerZakh

7 ай бұрын

The only real thought is that it costs money to port it to Mac and it costs money to maintain it on another platform. You have to pay people to do these things and often either indie devs don't have the budget or the publishers don't want to spare the budget.

@markc8401

7 ай бұрын

I am sure there is plenty of money to be made from Mac users as well@@GamerZakh

@GamerZakh

7 ай бұрын

It's not about money to be made, publishers count profit as loss if there is more profit to be had elsewhere. Imagine this: Lets say it costs $100,000 to make and maintain a Mac version. The estimated money they could make from Mac users is $300,000, so a profit of $200,000. Sounds good right? On the other hand, the publisher finds that they could spend that $100,000 on the PC users on new content and they could sell that new content for $400,000. Now, making the Mac version isn't $200,000 profit, it's a $100,000 loss! That's how publishers think and do things. The very fact that they don't make a Mac version is proof that they won't make enough money from Mac users. Remember it's not about making money, it's maximising money. And in the case of publishers, they have all the say. It doesn't matter if the developers want to make a Mac version, the publisher won't allow it. EDIT: KZread is hiding Marc's last reply, it just said: "I am sure there is plenty of money to be made from Mac users as well @GamerZakh"

@markc8401

7 ай бұрын

@@GamerZakh I think that’s a bit of a stretch for new content. There are many disillusioned gamers who see “new content “ as something that should have been included in the original game and refuse to purchase it. Besides, Mac users may also purchase new content! In the end, there is a huge amount of Mac users who will simply spend their money on other games. And because Macs are more expensive than the average PC, if you can afford a Mac you are more likely to afford the DLC

@GamerZakh

7 ай бұрын

​@@markc8401 I've been watching the games industry for 12 years. I've worked in the games industry. I've asked developers personally. The whole disillusioned gamers thing doesn't matter. So many are shovelling money to publishers for expansions, stuff packs, DLC, lootboxes, season passes, special editions, premium currency, and so on that publishers are raking it in more than ever before. You and I don't do that, but they do, and that's all that matters. Again, if there was enough money to be made from Mac users, publishers would jump on that. Why wouldn't they? The simple fact they don't is proof there isn't enough money to be made, but I can grab stats. Also keep in mind, since ever, Mac has been known to be "bad for gaming". For whatever reason. That means gamers who buy games and DLC are far more likely to buy a Windows PC instead of a Mac. Yeah Mac users got cash, but Mac users aren't gamers. I live with 2 Mac users right now, neither of them game. So not only is Windows right now 10 times more popular than Mac (based on recent stats), a higher proportion of gamers are on PC. Steam users are 97% Windows... 97%! Mac isn't even second place, Linux is! So although 10% of computers are Mac, only 1.2% of gamers are on Mac. Even if every Mac gamer bought something, it wouldn't count for a fraction of PC users. If just 1.5% of Windows players buy something, it would account for more sales than all Mac gamers combined.

why is every game about warfare? It's all so tiresome

@GamerZakh

6 ай бұрын

Well this is a tactics list... as in, tactical combat. This is literally a list of warfare games, so it would be odd for them to not be about warfare, right? How about this list of life sims: kzread.info/dash/bejne/rKaXqbtrYZTem9I.html Those aren't about warfare. Or maybe you prefer business tycoons? Here's a list of those: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Z4any8impsezhrQ.html Also not about warfare, you can run a food truck if you like. What kind of game are you looking for? Maybe you want to foster a frog sanctuary and restore the wetlands? Check out Kamaeru: A Frog Refuge.

No battletech, no like or subscribe.

@GamerZakh

7 ай бұрын

Why do you want a game that released in 2018 to be in an upcoming games list for 2024?

given your stupidly loose definition of what a 'tactics' game is, call of duty might as well be on this list. it's a tactics game, bc you get to choose your weapon adn what you shoot at. get it, tactics guys. you fail at understandingbasic things.

@GamerZakh

3 ай бұрын

I actually have a pretty strict definition of genres, but you don't sound like someone who'd want to have any kind of productive discussion about it lol. You can prove yourself right though, give us your definition of 'tactics game'.

@GamerZakh

3 ай бұрын

Just for full reference, you can see how I split the Strategy genre in this video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/q6Z3lruFgc-WYbQ.html Each subgenre has a strict definition, and you won't see Call of Duty in any of them.